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STALKER, fate uncertain

Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 8:31am

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Stop, don't make pre-mature judgements. We know that we did stalker like a billion years ago. Thats why we have taken stalker, crumbled it up into a ball, used it for toliet paper and....threw it away! Thats right we are starting all over...Well actually we have already started! The only problem is, its going to be awhile. So, to get you guys excitied, the crew here at Initial-Productions decided it would be a good idea to have a video journal. We are giving you the opportunity to stalk the stalker! You will be able to watch our production of stalker from start to finish!

These Video Journals well be released weekly, along with production stills, and screen shots from the movie! But this entirely depends on whether we film every week. Feel free to post comments about what you thought of the first episode. Also let us know if your interested in seeing more Video Journals in the future. Lastly make sure you check back for more episodes. Feel free to ask about the movie also...

Now without any further ado! Stalker: Behind the Glasses Ep 1
If that link doesn't work for you here is the direct link: http://www.initial-productions.com/movies/Behind%20the%20Glasses.mov

Also:Check for updates every week at www.Initial-Productions.com Also head over Here To view the original stalker.

Here is the google version if you from some odd reason despise quicktime.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3065096381521261118

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Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 11:18am

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I tend to like behind the scenes stuff for any project, so I find the idea of a video diary of the production process interesting. I'll definitely tune back in for updates. As for your first episode, it looked more "personal" than "professional" to me. (And that's not taking anything away from it... not a negative comment. I think it should come across that way.)

The one other comment I'll make though is just a pet peeve of mine. (This is entirely a matter of personal preference, so this isn't a negative critique of your film.) I nearly shut off the film a few minutes into it when I saw that you were continuously doing that "stutter step" effect, where you cut the film repeatedly when there was apparently very little removed in the cut. e.g. when you were describing John's various roles in the production. And you kept doing it over and over again. I realize that this has become a common device in film and it's getting used all over the place, but just for my personal taste it drives me to distraction. I was reaching for the mouse to shut off your film when you finally cut away to some actual footage of you guys shooting the movie, then I rode out the rest of it. But, as I said, that's just my personal preferences, not saying you shouldn't produce your film that way.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 2:14pm

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They look cool. I probably will watch the next one.
Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 5:32pm

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Nice, as always, John. Great idea to do the production diaries. Might I suggest next time to not get such a bland, medium camera angle for the interview. That drove me crazy, especially since you and Aaron are such great cinematographers! smile
Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 6:07pm

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Haven't seen the video yet, but glad to hear you're still working on this. I loved the original movie you did a while back. Hope it all goes well, & look forward to seeing what you do!
Posted: Wed, 2nd Aug 2006, 6:26pm

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Atom wrote:

Nice, as always, John. Great idea to do the production diaries. Might I suggest next time to not get such a bland, medium camera angle for the interview. That drove me crazy, especially since you and Aaron are such great cinematographers! smile
Haha this comment makes me giggle...I know what you mean atom. I think we'll definatly try for a better shot next time.

We were unfortunately under tight circumstances this time, and just kinda slapped the camera on an tripod turned it towards us and pressed record.

JAZZMANIAN- I totally respect your opinion and your preferences. I think I'm aiming for every Episode to look slightly different in style. So don't expect the stutter step to be in every edition.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Aug 2006, 6:57am

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LOL good times
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 7:08am

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Rating: +1

Alright so I decided to post some production stills with a story behind each one. So here it goes.

Aaron dressed up as stalker ready to film.

Matt practicing his craft with the camera...
Matt and aaron setting up for one of the first shots of the day!
This is the hidious house we film In, around, and about. Known in this production as stalkers house. This house has actually been Vacant for a couple of years now. It's actually pretty creepy to look around in.
This is Daryn, he's one of the many people who have helped out with the behind the scenes for 'Stalker'. Here he is setting up the camera to start filming us FILM!
Here aaron is down, getting a shot underneath the car. Can't say to much about this...As it may give away part of the movie.
PEANUTS!! Unfortunetly all I am aloud to say about this picture is, it is the start to a very funny sequence!
We moved inside to shoot the last couple of things before our lunch break.
Well thats all for right now. I hope you liked. New video journal should be up by the middle of this week. Might even hit you with two this week, we'll see. Anyways stay tuned. And expect a september release of stalker!
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 8:09am

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Nice stills.

Cool stuff, as always.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 10:11am

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Very nice to see some behind the scenes. Keep it real wink
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 11:12am

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Who actually owns the deserted house? How did you wrangle permission to produce movies there? I mean, it looks like a great set and getting to use that much space (not to mention for *free*) is fabulous for low/no budget movie production. You're very lucky!
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 4:34pm

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Good stuff, but as always, I hate the music choice. Made me want to skip through a lot of it... and cut off my ears. biggrin

How long will the finished film be? I can't help but think that you'll be giving almost all the movie away before it's released.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 4:48pm

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Interesting....


So is this a dark comedy with suspense? Because Aaron looks creepy as hell.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 4:57pm

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Was that The Bravery?
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 5:42pm

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That did not sound like the Bravery to me.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 5:45pm

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If it isn't, it sounds an awful lot like it.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 5:54pm

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Nah, doesn't sound similar to me. Might be a Hot Hot Heat song?

Good luck with the production SSJ guys, btw!
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 6:00pm

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Ah yeah, Island of the Honest man by Hot Hot heat.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 6:42pm

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You are correct pooky good job...
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 6:53pm

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Heh, good job pooky?!

He only got that when I insisted that it wasn't the bravery, it wasn't franz ferdinand, and told him what the band probably was! wink
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 6:58pm

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Yes, I'm very talented at this sort of thing.
Posted: Sun, 6th Aug 2006, 10:32pm

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lol, ya we had a KICKEN time filming! we filmed 2 days ALL DAY! I am telling you guys are going to enjoy this film. It is definitly entertaining!
-Aaron
Posted: Mon, 7th Aug 2006, 4:11am

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Arktic wrote:

Heh, good job pooky?!

He only got that when I insisted that it wasn't the bravery, it wasn't franz ferdinand, and told him what the band probably was! wink
Hahaha sorry arktic, good job!
but pooky did get the name of the song on his own so I will give him some credit for that.

How long will the finished film be? I can't help but think that you'll be giving almost all the movie away before it's released.
I have no idea how long the film is going to be. As long as it takes to tell the story. But I have to disagree. I think that by showing Behind the scenes and production stills get people excitied to see what the final film will turn out like.

Example: Observe the picture with the peanuts. In that picture, you see garrett picking them up. Now you can assume that there is a scene of garrett picking up peanuts...But you don't know why, where or what it leads to or what leads to it. See there is alot to be answered just for that one sequence. So in my opinion there is alot being kept secret here. The purpose of the BTS is to show how we are doing things not necessarily what we are doing...Even though our first episode isn't the best example of that.
But now your curious, why is he picking up peanuts.

Well Ill tell you why....Oh wait I can't geuss you will just have to wait... *sniff* I really wish i could.
Posted: Mon, 7th Aug 2006, 4:39pm

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Heh, well, i was just saying that it works for big films like King Kong and Superman Returns because, well, those are movies close to 3 hours, and they didn't show every single day of filming in their diaries... so there was a lot we didn't see that wasn't ruined for us in the movie itself.

Do you have a script or something? Surely you have to have at least an estimate for the length of the film... Or are you just shooting on the fly? (I've learned from experience... DON'T DO THAT!)

Anyways, I must comment and say that you're lucky to have such a large and willing to work amateur crew. My team consists of 2 people, and it's very very difficult to get anyone else interested in helping.
Posted: Tue, 8th Aug 2006, 8:38pm

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Yeah we are very lucky! although we could always use help, we don't take the help we get for granted.
Posted: Wed, 9th Aug 2006, 1:56am

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Evman, let my clarify some stuff for you. first off NO we do not have a physical script, but a physical outline of the movie, YES we have. the reason for this, simply is for more freedom on set creativity. Like you even said we are not making a feature film, so why write a day by day script, all you really need is an outline of the story, then fill in the gaps. Oh and the reason for Production Diaries, well simply. Because they are fun! and also becuase sometimes you can learn alot from even amature film makers and some of there techniques. (sorry for spelling) But really its just for fun! so enjoy them. thank you
-Aaron
Posted: Wed, 9th Aug 2006, 5:54am

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Not to make you feel like we are jumping all over you evman, but also you have a point this is not a feature film so if we do give away the whole film in the video journals. O well we haven't lost any money.
Posted: Wed, 9th Aug 2006, 10:58am

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Yeah I understand guys, it's cool. I was just wondering that's all. Thanks for the answer. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 9th Aug 2006, 11:24am

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No thank you, I think you bringing that up has somewhat influenced the next BTS. Expect tomorrow or thursday for it.
Posted: Thu, 10th Aug 2006, 4:54am

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ssj john wrote:

Expect tomorrow or thursday for it.
Uuuhhh, tomorrow is Thursday. biggrin

Good luck with it, though!
Posted: Thu, 10th Aug 2006, 4:30pm

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HEY everyone! the second Episode is UP and running CHECK IT!
http://initial-productions.com/movies/Behind%20the%20Glasses2.mov
Posted: Thu, 10th Aug 2006, 8:13pm

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A few notes about this episode. You may need to turn up to volume to hear everything matt says because he talked so quietly. Second I know I spelt censored wrong, so plz don't let me know. And I think thats it. Enjoy.
Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2006, 12:58am

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It's spelled "Censored" by the way smile
Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2006, 2:20am

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I know.......... evil
Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2006, 2:45am

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Pooky wrote:

It's spelled "Censored" by the way smile
The letter "S" in the alphabet is cencored in Utah. Didn't you know?
Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2006, 4:48am

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Sounds cool. Liked the diary video thingamajig.

I made a stalker movie with a couple people for class last year. Except you are led to believe that the stalker and the girl get together, but NO, he meets her at a gas station, is sweet talking her, and shoves her in the car. Then it ends.
Posted: Tue, 7th Nov 2006, 10:46pm

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Well fxhome friends...
I come bearing new's I consider to be dissapointing.

Stalker as of right now, as been postponed indefinately. It may never see the light of day...This is partly the reason why there has been lack of updates and no new Video journal's. While we do have finished video journals that are yet unreleased, it just doesn't seem to make sense to release them when the fate of stalker is uncertain.

The reason for this...
The Idea of stalker in our minds is a great one, and potentially could make for a great peice of filmmaking...For that reason we do not feel that the "stalker" we have created over the last few month's lived up to what stalker was in our minds. In short, it didn't turn out to be what we wanted.

Normally we could go back and reshoot ( as we have done before) in fact this stalker is a re-re-shoot. But with aaron only being around for another month until he leaves on his 2 year LDS mission. And with most of that time being spent at work or at school. There simply is not enough time to reshoot everything we don't like.

There is still hope for a release. We may still be able to salvage it. But for now stalker will most likely be locked into a vault where it will either remain untouched or forgotten or be used agian when we feel we have a solid script that we are confident about.

To most of you this is not a big deal. But to us this is a big dissapointment. But it would be a bigger dissapointment to show you guys something we didn't love. We want you to see stalker exactly how we see him....And this movie doesn't cut it.

So sorry...But do expect some freaking sick music video's we are planning on making before aaron leaves.

WORD
ssj john