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Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 1:39am

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Okay, so I've been a little less active than usual on here (in lieu of some talk of banning! I know what you're thinking! "Ben? Why? He's friggin' awesome!") so I've decided it's time for another one of Ben's pointless-but-functional threads. So here goes!

I want to know how many of you guys out there own/have available to use a Canon GL2 (or XM2, whatever).

If you got it relatively recently, did FXHome increase your interest in purchasing it? More importantly, did I at all increase your interest in purchasing it?

I also want you to post your best still and best clip from your GL2, and let me know whether you're satisfied with it.

I already know myself, chase, Garfield Street, Slick (I think), er-no, scwhar, Evman and Mister Pencil all have it, now who else?

EDITED:

teh l33t list
the list of all those great folks that use the wonder that is the Canon GL2

-ben3308
-Evman
-Bugclimber (yamfanny? right?)
-Garfield Street
-Kyeju
-er-no (XM2)
-scwhar (XM2)
-ashman (XM2)
-rogolo
-SGB
-Dancamfx

Prospective owners:
-Super Cameraman
-xperiment
-Anne
-Zephlon
-jfreedan
-Thrawn
-Scribble07
I'm sure there are more out there.

smile

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Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 1:58am

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I rock the GL2! I love it, it was a great step up from my lil elura. I'm not at home right now but I'll post some stills from it when I get home.
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:03am

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You are pretty much the reason I got a GL2. You even wrote that thing for my parents. razz
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:09am

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The GL2 is certainately a very underrated camera. Has yet to let me down in the 2 years i've had it.

It was definately fxhome that got me interested... i don't remember exactly how though. It definately wasn't you though ben... razz
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:12am

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Hellz yeah I got a GL2! biggrin

I got it because I was going to film a big movie one summer, but the bottom fell through like a wet paper bag!!!! Harsh!

(sorry for my over-emotional post. I just had a REALLY good bowl of ice cream and I AM FRICKEN PUMPED TO TAKE ON THE WORLD! THE WOOORRRLLDDD!)

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Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:13am

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It seems like a nice camera, have used it on a couple of occasions...but I've heard from the FXhome team that it can be quite unreliable and very expensive to repair? I know some/most people havn't experienced anything like this, but it's still a important fact.

It's a great camera anyway though. smile
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:17am

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

It seems like a nice camera, have used it on a couple of occasions...but I've heard from the FXhome team that it can be quite unreliable and very expensive to repair? I know some/most people havn't experienced anything like this, but it's still a important fact.

It's a great camera anyway though. smile
Perhaps it's just the PAL version. I've had my GL2 two years now and mistreat it terribly sometimes and it has not let me down ever, and works as well now as it did when it was new.
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:23am

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Evman wrote:

Redhawksrymmer wrote:

It seems like a nice camera, have used it on a couple of occasions...but I've heard from the FXhome team that it can be quite unreliable and very expensive to repair? I know some/most people havn't experienced anything like this, but it's still a important fact.

It's a great camera anyway though. smile
Perhaps it's just the PAL version. I've had my GL2 two years now and mistreat it terribly sometimes and it has not let me down ever, and works as well now as it did when it was new.
I haven't had any problems for the 2 years I've had it. Not sure about repair costs, though--and I hope I never know. confused
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 2:23am

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Of course I have the GL2!!!

I too took Rogolo's idea and had some ice cream too. biggrin

And yes, FXhome is the reason I got it. I mean everyone I talked too here said they loved it and now I too am infected with my favorite camera of all time! razz
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 3:45am

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Wow. I was thinking of getting a GL2... Is it worth it? I want a good camera, but I'm not ready for a REALLY great camera. I did research the GL2 though... and the GL1... Should I get a GL2? Or a GL1?

-Super
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 3:54am

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I was thinking of getting one at the end of this year.
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 4:36am

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Supercameraman. I did some research as you did on the GL1 and then compared it to the GL2 and everyone and even I agree that the GL2 is basically superior to its predicesor. Also it got GREAT reviews along with the millions that are suddenly in love with it as shown in this thread.
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 5:09am

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I've used a GL1 and a GL2 side-by-side for stage performance videography on a couple of occasions, and the GL2 beats it by far in color vibrance and image sharpness. Juist a much cleaner, crisper image.

Now post some stills and/or video, you GL2 users!

Many of us have seen Estranger from Kyeju (awesome, used to be in my top ten, must add it again), and AI2 from Evman, but not much from others. Post some stuff, you guys!
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 6:25am

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*tear* I wan't it soo much. It is the camera i have my heart set on...the only problem is the money, and my parents definitly won't go for it.

Grr... frown
Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 5:55pm

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ben3308 wrote:



Now post some stills and/or video, you GL2 users!
If you insist.

Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2006, 6:30pm

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HAHA. BEst movie ever. lol
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 12:55am

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How much does a gl2 weigh??
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 1:16am

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About 2 pounds
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thanks, cause, i want to get a steady cam, it holds up to 3 lbs
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 3:54am

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I'd love to get a GL2, I've only heard good things about them [in exception to one person's post in this thread], but frankly, I dont have the money for one right now. Anyone have any quick money making techniques for someone who starts school in a week and will have a sport taking up most of her time? Ha.

EDIT: Also, does anyone know why my sig isnt showing? I've tried [what I think is] everything.
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 4:10am

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Anne wrote:

I'd love to get a GL2, I've only heard good things about them [in exception to one person's post in this thread], but frankly, I dont have the money for one right now. Anyone have any quick money making techniques for someone who starts school in a week and will have a sport taking up most of her time? Ha.
Sell your kidneys.

Oh, and the flaw, which I feel schwar sometimes overemphasizes, is a tape deck error, and it's a small, if not vague problem. It only affects playback, as in, if you constantly rewind and view your footage right after you shot it. Which......if you're getting a GL2........you're hopefully past that stage of filmmaking. It doesn't affect any recording, can be easily fixed or otherwise remedied by a tape head cleaner, and is a small problem with an excellent camera. Really, too, with ANY cam, you should use a separate deck to capture footage. It's just a pretty basic thing to do, as most people who upgrade to the GL2 still have Sony miniDV handicams they can use.
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 11:26am

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I have wanted a XM2 for a while now (and seeing the quality on the Project One dvd made me sure it was the right choice) but am still saving up. However it seems like it has now been superceded by the HD versions due out in November.

http://www.canon.co.uk/about_us/news/consumer_releases/xh_a1_and_xh_g1.asp
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 12:26pm

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I have one (XM2), though nothing to do with Ben. I already knew what a great piece of kit it is before he started his little crusade. I found it on ebay but only because the seller lived locally so we agreed a price and I could test the cam out before buying it. I wouldn't have spent that kind of money on ebay otherwise.

Great cam though and looking forward to the new version due out soon though don't know if I can afford one. Might have to sell the kids lol
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 12:40pm

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I'm selling my XM2 and all its bits.

Yar!
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 2:08pm

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I own the XM2 the pal equivalent of the GL2. The best camera I have ever owned, long live the XM2!!!!!!

I'm selling my xm2 also, in november, its was purchased in April for the Between the Lines movie shoot, so who ever is interested, lemme know. It also comes with two 7 hour batteries along with the normal 2 hour one

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Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 2:28pm

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how much would the cam cost ashman ?

cheers,
d.
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 2:31pm

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devilskater wrote:

how much would the cam cost ashman ?

cheers,
d.
Me first razz

I can offer more!
*looks at Ash
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 3:54pm

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Yes, while were on the topic of selling, whats a decent price to get a GL2 or XM2 for? Use & New?
Posted: Mon, 14th Aug 2006, 4:20pm

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Anne wrote:

Yes, while were on the topic of selling, whats a decent price to get a GL2 or XM2 for? Use & New?
Xm2's are 1400£-1600 new at most places.

2nd hand, it depends on the quality and condition and what accessories.
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 2:47am

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I got mine new from B&H (best video site on the net, IMO) with a Kata rainproof case, an extended 7-hour battery, a WD-whatever(58?) wide angle lense, a tape organizer and 16 tapes, a car battery charger, a UV filter and a cleaning cloth for around 2800 bucks American.

AWESOME-est camera ever. EVER. You can film something with it, take it to the computer, add a preliminary grade, and it ALREADY looks like a real movie. It's friggin' awesome. I know it's the same thing with the DVX, but only people with the big bucks get those.
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 1:14pm

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ben3308 wrote:


AWESOME-est camera ever. EVER. You can film something with it, take it to the computer, add a preliminary grade, and it ALREADY looks like a real movie. It's friggin' awesome. I know it's the same thing with the DVX, but only people with the big bucks get those.
It's kinda the same thing with any camera. Just depends on the desired effect and ability of the user in post. smile Still though, XM2 is the best designed video camera I've ever used, and I've upgraded now... but still use it smile
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 1:21pm

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/me pats his FX-1
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 1:36pm

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See, I've seen stuff from the local FX-1 users (more teen videomakers like myself, usually) and have yet to be impressed.

This could, of course, not be the fault of the camera, but still.
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 10:04pm

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Rating: +1

ben3308 wrote:

See, I've seen stuff from the local FX-1 users (more teen videomakers like myself, usually) and have yet to be impressed.

This could, of course, not be the fault of the camera, but still.
Hmm, I use a FX1 myself, and I love the footage I shoot with it, and it all looks really beutyful. But as you said, it probably depends on who's holding the camera. smile

Image #1
Image #2
These are some pictures from my new movie (shot with the FX1)..obviously they're downscaled slightly, but I think it looks really good.
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Redhawk -- That location looks badass in those pics.

Ben -- GL2 is not the same as the DVX hah

DVX > GL2
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 10:35pm

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Red - I have to say, those are some of the most beautiful images I have seen in a long time, I'd be interested in finding out more about that project. Of course you'll talk when your ready to talk smile

Talk damit razz
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 11:15pm

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NICE images Redhawk!

Yeah, good use of the FX1 beats the crap out of every DV image I've seen yet. Despite the hatred some people have against the cam because of it's compression, recording in HDV and downscaling to DV is just pure brilliance.
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 11:49pm

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CX3 wrote:

Redhawk -- That location looks badass in those pics.

Ben -- GL2 is not the same as the DVX hah

DVX > GL2
Z1 > DVX> GL2

hah
Posted: Tue, 15th Aug 2006, 11:49pm

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Redhawksrymmer wrote:

Image #1
Image #2
These are some pictures from my new movie (shot with the FX1)..obviously they're downscaled slightly, but I think it looks really good.
Nice!
Posted: Wed, 16th Aug 2006, 12:06am

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CX3 wrote:

Ben -- GL2 is not the same as the DVX hah
Never said it was. Just said it, too, was capable of that point-and-shoot, instantaneous movie-look.

I didn't make this thread to argue cameras, or for people to say that theirs is superior. This is a GL2 thread, plain and simple.

BTW, Redhawk, the images look nice, but as I said, I have yet to see some impressive video from the FX1. Nightcast is just about the only thing, and then again, not enough contrast.

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hmm, I might post some of my FX1 screens as well.

Yeah, I might just do that! I know schwar wants to see something in particular.... hehe

eek
Posted: Wed, 16th Aug 2006, 12:09am

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ben3308 wrote:

CX3 wrote:

Ben -- GL2 is not the same as the DVX hah
not enough contrast.

biggrin
I reckon your eyes need tweaking somewhat, or your monitor is just crap. biggrin razz
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Heh, yeah. I suspect Bens Gamma settings are really screwed up.

Even so, Contrast is not a matter of the cameras quality, but the grading.
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Ohh, thanks for the comments about the images! biggrin Yeah, I'll be posting some kind of big topic with news and info about the movie soon... smile
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Sollthar, you know I'm just busting your balls (not literally, mid you wink ) about the contrast. I honestly think it looks fine. The PK trailer had true issues, but after watching NC teaser on my desktop as opposed to my plasma screen laptop, the differences are noticeable.

You don't have any contrast problems, it's just fun to give keep the sort of mellowed-out debate going.
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I was under the impression that this was a thread about the GL2...
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lol, it is, but people like to discuss other things and ruin threads (just joking) smile
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Evman wrote:

I was under the impression that this was a thread about the GL2...
As was I, my friend. As was I.
Posted: Wed, 16th Aug 2006, 6:54pm

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i plan on saving up for a GL2 or perhaps and XL2!
Posted: Wed, 16th Aug 2006, 7:34pm

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GL2 Stills (Note most are compressed)
Estranger


Inhale (Unfinished)






School Duel







Sin Hogar



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I've had the GL-2 since January of 2003. I loved it until the zoom rocker switch broke last June. Just keep pressing the damn thing and nothing happens. I still use it sometime with the zoom buttons on the handle, but there's no 'variable' setting for the zoom buttons. I also use it sometimes on my camera jib, hooked up to a portable DVD player as an external monitor. I ended up buying a Sony VX-2100, because of the zoom ring the Sony has, plus the 2100 has 1/3 inch CCD's and the GL-2's CCD's are only 1/4 inch. The GL-2 most of the time is used for video capture purposes in my studio, now (sigh...) Nice little camera..wish I could still use it on an average basis.
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I wish I could say I have a GL2, but I'm still using a 5 and a half year old Sony Digital 8 camera. Sometimes the viewfinder quits working, but it still films as well as it did when it was new. I would love to upgrade to a GL2, but I know I would get much more for my money's worth to build a custom lighting kit ($200) and learn lighting than to simply buy a GL2 ($2,000).

And maybe when I'm in college I'll save up money for a GL2! biggrin
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A little late, but....

My GL2 pics! All from "CoverRecut", which is "Cover's Story" furnished into 10 minutes.


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Bump.

New prospective owners I've talked to about the GL2:

-Zephlon
-jfreedan
-Thrawn
-Scribble07

New owners:
-SGB
-Dancamfx

I'm sure there's more out there that I forgot to list. Tell me if I forgot you, and also, if I in particular helped influence your purchase, I'm curious to know. For reals. Also, post your best stills and/or videos, I'm sure all of us GL2 owners would love to see it.
Posted: Tue, 15th May 2007, 4:33pm

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RodgerDodger's story of problems and breakages is very typical of the experience many XM2/GL2 users have. I've never known a camera with so many horror stories. Unluckily FXhome's experience with the XM2 is one of those horror stories...

FXhome did have and XM2, its tape deck died after 13 hours of use. Canon would not fix it under warranty.

Fallen (the FXhome member) also had one which died very quickly, again Canon would not fix it under warranty.

I personally know a uni which purchased 20 and in under a year they had only 4 left working. Canon would not fix any of the cameras under warranty.

A huge percentage of the first 2 years of production of GL2 and XM2 failed with most apparently not being covered by Canon's warranty. I still hear of many XM2/GL2 problems although the tape deck (the worst part on early cameras) is apparently less fragile now.

Canon's customer service was terrible in all these cases and I know I'll never purchase anything from Canon again especially when other companies make better cameras for not much more money.

The XM2/GL2 did become a more reliable product (although hardly to the level of products from Panasonic or the Sony prosumer range) but at first it was a terrible fragile camera with some decent features.

My advice is to avoid Canon and the XM2/GL2 at all costs and save some more money for a DVX - a much better and more reliable camera.
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I just want 1500 - 2000 $$$ to get one...
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Getting mine (hopefully) next month - £100 off. Who needs university savings when you have an XM2?

And yes this website has influenced me greatly into getting an XM2.
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...................still waiting for a price drop...............................


I'm guessing that there will be a price drop in a year or so since the Gl2 came out a few years ago (I could be wrong... probably am) and there coming out with newer HD cams. I hope theres a price drop soon.
Posted: Tue, 15th May 2007, 11:01pm

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A price drop would be great!
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schwar wrote:

RodgerDodger's story of problems and breakages is very typical of the experience many XM2/GL2
hardly to the level of products from Panasonic or the Sony prosumer range
My advice is to avoid Canon and the XM2/GL2 at all costs
At all costs? At ALL costs? Really?
I just don't get this, aside from personal experience. Canon is by far one of the best camera companies out there, and while you're open to your own opinion, I find it really hard to take as good, precautionary advice.

While you've made some concessions over time, Schwar, you seem to make a lot of hasty or otherwise unfair generalizations about the GL2 that, quite frankly, aren't really representative of it.

Sure, I love the GL2 and I might have more of an inclination to overly-defend it, but even you have to admit that your accounts with the GL2/XM2 and this "uni"s problems are far from ordinary.

Come on, now, 4 out of 20 worked? That's not the camera, that's gotta be the handling. Bizarre, yes, but not common- I guarantee you. And yes, whilst I know the tape deck is a known issue, it's easily fixable and requires minimal effort to remedy.

I feel like you always try to play the 'scare away' tactic by presenting a very well-liked and all-around good camera like a dinky piece of undesirable plastic.
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I'm very interested to know how, exactly, this supposed "Instant film look out of camera" occurs? Are you just referring to Frame mode? Because, really, I don't really see what else you mean. Most of the films I've seen you guys do with it certainly do look different than straight DV, but I think it's because the shutterspeed seems to always be above 250+ in every scene. Aside from any post production work, What do you think is so "Filmic" about the image straight from the camera really?
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Go record something random. It does not matter what you record, just record it on a regular DV handycam camcorder. Now compare that to an actual hollywood movie. The difference between your recording and the movie is that the movie has the "Movie Look" to it. That is what the GL2 is able to create.
Posted: Wed, 16th May 2007, 1:31am

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Thrawn wrote:

Go record something random. It does not matter what you record, just record it on a regular DV handycam camcorder. Now compare that to an actual hollywood movie. The difference between your recording and the movie is that the movie has the "Movie Look" to it. That is what the GL2 is able to create.
I wish it was that easy Thrawn. The GL2's frame mode does a decent job in definately diverting the overall look away from classic DV, however it is no where near the "film look," let alone Panasonic's 24p capabilities. I was still pleasantly surprised with the GL2's frame mode and look forward to using it in my upcoming production. Besides the camera's technology, you can mimic camera movements and techniques to create a cinema quality also. I believe this is more important than a frame mode because it pays tribute to your skillz as a filmmaker, and the general audience would be far more captivated by advanced shot selection than they would be by frame mode.
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I'm gonna go make a movie in the dark real quick to show how cool I, and the GL2, can be. Be back in like an hour.
Posted: Wed, 16th May 2007, 1:53am

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GO GL2!

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Posted: Wed, 16th May 2007, 2:08am

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This is a thread for GL2 users, I want to remind everybody. It's not to pitch the weaknesses of the GL2 against that of other cameras like in other camera inquiry threads.

Just wanted to make that known.
Posted: Wed, 16th May 2007, 2:44am

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Cool thread.

I don't actually own a GL2 (I wish I did), it belongs to my school. However, as I'm the camera man for my schools filmclub, I get to use it (lucky me).

Here are some still from our upcoming movie filmed on the GL2:
(sorry for the compression)







All in all I'm very happy with the preformance of this camera, its a pleasure to film with.
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I might get a GL2. I'm trying to figure out what to get right now.

EDIT: Whoops, left a little word out of that that screwed up the whole sentence

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Anne wrote:

I'm trying to figure out to get right now.
??? Explain..
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She probably means that she is trying to figure out what see needs, and what she wants, to buy.
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I'm not a prospective owner. I do own a GL2.

And yes, the information from users here at Fxhome impacted my decision to purchase the camera.

Although I'm still learning the quirks of the camera, I've very pleased with the results. I'm currently shooting a Kamen Rider parody this week and next week, so I guess I'll be posting up clips and stills in a few days.

Edit: Ok, here is some footage although mind you, I have done a lot of grading because I'm trying to give my film a "comic book" like feel. I'm still testing out various ways to achieve that look--this one is bent more toward a graphic novel look.

http://technocomics.com/liveaction/GKaiser_TestFootage.mov

This clip was also filmed with the GL2, though it obviously has a lot of grading performed on it now,

http://technocomics.com/liveaction/GKaiser-PwningSwordJump-MidAir-Blur.avi
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Okay, if you must see it...
Here's a regional commercial I shot with the GL-2. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8-ukwH-Cyg
Posted: Wed, 16th May 2007, 9:06am

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Atom wrote:

At all costs? At ALL costs? Really?
I just don't get this, aside from personal experience. Canon is by far one of the best camera companies out there, and while you're open to your own opinion, I find it really hard to take as good, precautionary advice.
Well, its not really aimed at you because you already have the camera and love it to bits. It is aimed at the people who are thinking of getting this camera or maybe saving up for a DVX100.

Firstly, I've directly known over 50 XM2/GL2s which have gone wrong which accounts for about 2/3rds of the XM2/GL2 owners I know. These people are made up of about 10 individuals and 3 universities.

Indirectly (via this website and many others) I know of thousands of people who have had problems with this camera.

Secondly, Canon are not one of the best video camera companies out there, they don't even operate in the professional/film/broadcast arena.

Atom wrote:

While you've made some concessions over time, Schwar, you seem to make a lot of hasty or otherwise unfair generalizations about the GL2 that, quite frankly, aren't really representative of it.
How on earth am I being hasty? I've considered this over a number of years now. I don't really get why your generalisation from owning a single camera is more representative than mine? Do you think I'm just going to make this stuff up? I help to run a massive website dedicated to amateur film making and talk to many people in the industry. All I want is what is best for you guys when it comes to spending money on new equipment.

The XM2/GL2 is known for being a fragile camera. IF the XM2/GL2 wasn't such a unreliable camera it would be one of the better consumer camera out there with some great features for the price. As it is, the camera has had more problems than ANY other that I'm aware of. Terrible customer service doesn't help this experience.

Atom wrote:

And yes, whilst I know the tape deck is a known issue, it's easily fixable and requires minimal effort to remedy.
I don't call 50-70% of the cost of a new camera easily fixable. This is the price (or there abouts) that all the examples I'm talking about have been quoted both inside and outside the standard warranty!

I know you love this camera but it doesn't make me wrong. The XM2/GL2 (when it works) could be a great deal if cameras like the DVX100 didn't exist.

For a bit more money you get a vastly better camera for indie film making. Real 16:9 progressive CCDs (rather than a 4:3 faked progressive CCDs) and a generally better designed camera from a great company which is far more rugged. Unlike the XM2/GL2 the footage which comes off the DVX100 does appear rather "film-look" although it takes more than a trick camera to get real film-look if you ask me.

The quality of the XM2/GL2 doesn't compare to the DVX100 - I wish we had paid a bit more and got that camera.

I speak from our own experience and that of thousands of other people. Sorry if you don't like that Atom, but I'm trying to help the users of this website with the best information I have.

My message remains, avoid the XM2/GL2 and get a vastly better camera like the DVX100 if you can afford it.
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I wish I had a huge list of cool stuff we've shot on the XM2, but due to it being a bit broken we never did much with it. However, we did resurrect it for the Zurich premiere, so here's a few exclusive shots, some of which didn't make it into the diary!













Just wait till you see what we do with the HVX, though. wink
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So basically the Canon GL2/XM2 is superb when it works unsure

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-shwar-

I see your point. But considering that the GL2/XM2 is cheaper then the DVX100 I would say that the Gl2/XM2 is the best for its price range. The Panasonic AG-DVX100 is (average) a thousand dollars more. A lot of money for guys like me.
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Ultimately, the GL2 still rocks, as evidenced by Tarn's posting of images.

Boo-rah!
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If you had to choose between a GL2 and an XL2, which one you guys pick?

Price wise, I may have to get a GL2.

What say you?
Posted: Sun, 20th May 2007, 7:38pm

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XL2.
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Count me in as an avid owner and user!

I have had my XM2 for a few years now, it has not let me down one bit, despite being handled very roughly and taken to climate extremities. It's a crying shame this fine camera is apparently plagued with dodgy tape decks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhgf6jDYnOM
Unfortently uTube destroys color and contrast, but this is my latest endevor in the realm of doco's, it was made using my trusty XM2...

Everyone seems to be posting images from their XM/GL2's so i figured, why not some pics of the cam in action, these snaps are from the adventure that was making the aforementioned documentry...



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The latest.

Oh, and potman, that documentary is just....superb. You capture the National Geographic editing/storytelling style perfectly with the tone of your interviews and how well they've been mixed with the music and footage. Really, really professional stuff.

My only complaint is a few shots that go from widescreen to full. My want to letterbox the whole thing a bit to fix this, I dunno. But other than that, it's a truly amazing video. Congratulations! By the way, what'd you use to film underwater?
Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 2:22am

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Here is a clip shot over the weekend with my GL2. The scene is not entirely finished (I need to film some other scenes and insert them into the footage, such as my feet being lifted up off the ground and another guy pulling my wallet out of my pants).

http://www.technocomics.com/liveaction/Chad%20at%20the%20River-Half%20Done.mov
Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 9:58am

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Thanks Ben!

The doco was shot for a competition and they wanted it in 4:3. My idea was that the sub plot with the gun and so forth was going to have a more cinematic feel to it, to distance it from the scientifc garble that ensues throughout the rest of the doco. So i letter boxed it to help achive that... it only kinda half worked though and ultimatly it's a bit jaring.

The underwater shots were all filmed on the very last day in a lucky encounter with some firendly dolphins. It was done with a poll cam that consisted of a small housed camera on a poll conected via cable to a miniDV tape deck with controler that was used to record, zoom and pull focus, etc... We simply lowered the cam off the side of the boat and recorded. I had my wetsuit and XM2 underwater housing all ready for a dive with the dolphins, but due to time contrasits it never happened...

We had some crazy budget (it was genuinely ridiculous) and also had contacts with Natural History New Zealand (they do alot of work for discovery and animal planet) so our accessory gear was pretty professional, the XM2 seemed to fit in perfectly amongst it all though...