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Reverse Matrix Effect idea

Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 2:16am

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I don't know if someone has done this already, and if you have great I want some feedback on it. The idea has probably been used in some movie and I'm just not aware of it.

I was thinking of doing like a reverse matrix effect type thing. Instead of rotating the camera around an object's axis while time is frozen, why not rotate the camera on its own axis? This would be a lot easier to manage. Say there is a room full of people fighting, the camera would be placed in the middle of the fighting. Someone could dive or whatever and I would freeze the picture while they were in midair. While everything still frozen and the person still in midair I would rotate the camera on a tripod to some other person involved in the fight and show them frozen doing something cool, then rotate back to the original camera angle and show the original person going back to regular motion. Did that make sense? I would do this by getting a clean plate and then cutting the person out of the frame in photoshop. In final cut pro, when the camera freezes place the rotoscoped picture on top of the cleanplate and match it up so you cannot notice a change. When the camera moves I would move the picture accordingly so it looks like the person is frozen in the same spot. Then eventually when the camera comes back to the original person change back to the original video. I hope that makes since, it's difficult to explain what I'm trying to do.
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 2:25am

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That's not a bad idea...
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 2:53am

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Hey Just do IT. Would love to see the result. I think I can picture your concept but get out there and give it a go. Good luck.
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 2:57am

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Sounds a bit like the explosion scene in Swordfish. Is that the idea? Sounds killer. Give it a go. As sweet as the classic Matrix move is, it'll be nice to have another effect to drool over!
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 3:20am

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Hmm dunno haven't seen Swordfish. I think I'll try it out whenever I get some time. I'm about to graduate so I have been pretty busy lately. I'll post a link whenever I finish it.
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 6:54am

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yeah! that would be cool.. i would love to see that! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 8:09am

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yeah, this is a kewl i dea. I've played about trying to do something similar before, and i found the best way is to try and take a series of stills, and stitching them together to create a panorama which can be moved across the screen to create the appearance of rotation. check out http://www.panoramafactory.com/ for some software which ive found is great for stitching multiple images together.
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 8:54am

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Hey! that sounds good! if you don't have the time doing it, i can make it. I think i know what you mean, buti don't like ripping of others idé's
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 1:31pm

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Sounds like a cool idea. You should check out a movie called Buffalo 66 with Vincent Gallo and Christina Ricci. There is a scene very much like this at the end of the film. It's pretty cool. The movie is totally bent and you may not like it (I did). Regardless, it's worth a watch just for the 10-20 seconds of camera work at the end.

-Neo
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 8:41pm

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heres my attempt at it: www.vermillion-studios.co.uk/misc/rev-matrix.avi .
it's in DivX and about 700k. Not a brilliant try, but I only knocked it up this evening after work. If you like it I can write a brief tutorial to get you all started on improving it if you like smile
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 8:53pm

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i have just d/led and watched fallens one, it is a good idea, i think with a little tweaking it would looks really REALLY cool in the middle of like a big fight, or something, it might give a good effect in a ligthsabre duel (possible inspiration for people)...
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 9:14pm

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Hey, now i get it! it was not what i thought of... but this is cool though.
You know what? i'm going to record a big battle this sunday. biggrin
If it fits, ill use somekind of effect like that, with some tweaks.
Alamdv users makes good insperation for me smile
Posted: Wed, 15th May 2002, 9:18pm

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a question: wich divx codec did you use fallen?

Almost all codec's i try out, ends up bad! neutral
This clip had good quality and was small for it's duration. crazy
I suck in codecs! i tryed divx one time, but the slo-mo and stuff turned up shitty... please give me some hints and tips Fallen confused
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 12:12am

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Can't see it............bloody Macs! Where the hell is Quicktime 6 when you need it!!!!!! twisted

-Neo
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 4:24am

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Yeah I can't see it either, I'l have to find some program so I can watch it on my mac. If anyone else tries it let me know I want to see what it looks like. I'm going to try it whenever I get a chance.
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:29am

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It's in DivX 3.11, 400kb/s with no audio which is why it's so small.
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 4:55pm

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Ok I watched the video. That the same concept I'm going for. I'll try to make a test this weekend. I was thinking of freezing someone in midair then going back to them frozen and have them continue their fall.
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 5:16pm

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Hey that was pretty cool Fallen
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:37pm

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Same thing i thought of Radar biggrin
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:40pm

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i think u need to improve on that kidna animation it does b4 it starts moving, it looks a bit wierd...
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 12:55am

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There's a company that makes camera rigs to do those kind of effects.
They've done a diving commercial and stuff like that but I've forgotten the URL.

BTW Fallen you have a huge amount of stretching in that morph! You didn't place any off screen points at all, did you?
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 8:51am

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hehe, no. The freeware software I have doesnt let me do that sad but then agin it's only 15 mins of work just to get the ball rolling
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 2:03pm

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Yeah you herd him... stop critisising it... just a quickie test. smile
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 6:23pm

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hey no worries, without critism, no1 would know how to improve their work smile
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 10:12pm

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Finally saw it on a PC at work. It's good. Nice job.

-Neo
Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2002, 5:39am

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Neo, download the divx codec from divx.com to watch these types of videos in Quicktime.
Posted: Wed, 22nd May 2002, 10:11pm

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Thanks. I got a Codec for Quicktime off Apple's website earlier today. It's somewhat tempermental (it like certain Divx films but not others). I've got a Quicktime 6 Beta install but I'm reluctant to use it in the event that it kills Final Cut Pro 3 and ALAMDV2. I'll wait and use this one for now. Cheers.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 24th May 2002, 12:36am

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I tried the one off the divx site and had no luck. After installing everything all I got was a white screen
Posted: Fri, 24th May 2002, 11:44pm

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Try the one on Apple's website for OSX. It's not 100% reliable but it's pretty solid (most of my Divx movies worked, ie. Spiderman, LOTR etc.).

-Neo
Posted: Sat, 25th May 2002, 12:24am

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Well I downloaded the OSX plugin from Apple but it seems the site with file is down:(
Posted: Sat, 25th May 2002, 2:01am

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I hate Apple for that. "Little Brother" is watching. wink

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Posted: Sat, 22nd Jun 2002, 2:29am

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I finally got around to trying this idea. It came out ok, could be much better. My crappy tripod kind of screwed it up because it shook a little. Plus this would look much better if it was during a gunfight. And for some reason Apple's page lowers the size when you put a movie on. Originally it was a 320x240 not 240x180 like they have it on the webpage. Anyhow here's the link http://homepage.mac.com/bobbyrlg/iMovieTheater7.html