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Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 8:58pm

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For those of you who have seen the trailer to The Covenant I was trying to replicate the effect, with the neon light engine, where thier eyes change color but i can't seem to really get it to look realistic. I would greatly appreciate any help i can get from you guys. Thanks
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 9:42pm

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hey buddy..........i dont know another way to do it except for the technique i'm using now.....for my new movie Dark Times (2007).....which is frame by frame paint......this method give you absolute control of the colors that your eyes are going to change into and is very helpful if the eyes are moving fast and blurred....

I'm using photoshop but there are some free paint programs out there......._see Oeyvind's guide to free software....

oh....if you can see the eye clear you can use a masking or magic selection tool in your compositing package and hue the color...

hope this helps
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:08pm

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I haven't seen the trailer to The Covenant, but if you want an object, like an eye, to change colours you could use the "Hue shift" filter in your EffectsLab Pro and animating it using keyframes...

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Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:22pm

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How do you use photoshop with video.I own it and I didn't know that was possible.
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:32pm

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Multiwagon wrote:

How do you use photoshop with video.I own it and I didn't know that was possible.
It's a really, really bad idea. Especially when with a little bit of knowledge the effect you're after can be done quickly and easily with EffectsLab.

But basically photoshop can create filmstrip files, and it's a royal pain. Don't do it, ever.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:37pm

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you can only import quicktime movs into it........ and i meant imageready......you can open in it as frames then just keep switching back and forth between the 2 if you need to use an specific tool.......


cheers biggrin


PS: actually hybrid you can just export the final file as a mov in imageready......it;s really rewarding
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:44pm

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Dude I got image ready also. Can you tell me exactly how you do this. I would really appreciate it, Thanks
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:48pm

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just go to File -> Open -> choose the quicktime mov. format -> select a file -> a window will open with simple options -> adjust to your taste ->confirm and off you go..........its helpful to have the animation window open......


hope this helps you!!! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:50pm

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Thanks Alot guys a really really appreciate this
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:50pm

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Rewarding perhaps, time well spent no.

Let's assess the situation based off the effects mentioned in this thread, the changing of an eye colour.

The average effects clip being around 5 seconds, at 25 frames a second that's 125 frames.

Photoshop/ImageReady : That's 125 different images you'll need to work on, applying the details in the correct area on each and every frame as well as working out the right amount of colour change/gradient for it to animate smoothly.

Time spent : 1-2 hours.

EffectsLab: Tweening and Masking essentially do all the tricky placement work for you whilst a keyframed filter calculates the colour change to perfection.

Time spent : 20 minutes tops.

In this scenario, the quicker option also provides a superior end-result so really... There's no argument for doing it frame by frame whatsoever. Is there?

If you're doing things that way Maximum I'd say there's a perfect reason to buy EffectsLab right there. I can't imagine what it'd be like having to do simple tweaks like that. It's a miracle you have the time to convince others to do things the freakishly long winded/cack handed route at all!

-Hybrid.
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:55pm

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ok.....effectsLab might be better but if you are smart enough you can use the hue tool and write down the settings you use and do that to the rest........

and come on........a eye color changing effect should never go more than 2 seconds..........otherwise it will look fake!!! and if you watch the trailer you will notice that they did the color change in like a second..........
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:57pm

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I agree with Hybrid-Halo 10000%, Maximus version of doing this might just be the worst idea.


First, this takes EXTREMELY MUCH longer then doing it with a garbage matte and a hue shift plus it will be FAR less accurate, resulting most likely in a jiggery image, or another bag of time spent to avoid that.


Use EffectsLab or CompositeLab to do this effect, seriously.


Doing something like that in Photoshop Frame by Frame is just a very amateurish thing to do and I see no justification for it to be done that way really.
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 10:58pm

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maximus16 wrote:

ok.....effectsLab might be better but if you are smart enough...
*Interrupts*

If you're smart at all, you'd make use of the program you own to execute an effect in the simplest and most effective way possible. Regardless of that effect.

If you own EffectsLab, then for this effect it is undeniably the tool to use. Any argument against that is going to have some serious flaws.
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 11:00pm

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oh and by the way i'm not trying to cause an argument here but photoshop and imageready can also do tweening if you lot didnt know.......
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 11:02pm

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photoshop and imageready can also do tweening if you lot didnt know.......
We know...We've been doing this for 10 years...
We ALSO know though, that neither Photoshop nor Imageready is the right tool for the job. They have their benefites and yes, there's even effects where I'd recommend using them.

This is certainly not one of them.


No argument seen, cause there's little ground for a serious argument to evolve on that. smile
Posted: Sat, 26th Aug 2006, 11:57pm

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heres a little test in photoshop......photoshop can be very useful if someone doesn't have effectslab like me.......it was done in five min or less......

http://media.putfile.com/Eye-test-37

if i did have it off course i'd follow the suggestions.....

anyway just trying to help him out......the way i know

so plese put the rocks down.......hehehe biggrin
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 12:31am

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ok first of all, stop argueing its not that big of a deal. second of all thank you all for your input i will try it both ways and see for myself which way is better.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 1:13am

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maximus16 wrote:

heres a little test in photoshop......photoshop can be very useful if someone doesn't have effectslab like me.......it was done in five min or less......
And therein lies the problem. Multiwagon has EffectsLab so it's not necessary to 'take the scenic route'. I suppose you should simply ask yourself the question "What would I do if I had EffectsLab?" and you've already answered.

Multiwagon - I really think you'd be making a mistake not to follow my own or sollthar's advice (especially after the only other person's advice you recieved has stated they'd follow ours if they owned EffectsLab), though improvement and experience in general relies alot from making mistakes and learning from them so good luck! And let us know how it goes.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 8:29am

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I have to say, that test is pretty poor - it's been done on a still photograph, rather than footage (which will never be as steady as that, which is where problems would arise with that technique).

Also, the image goes from being 'brown eye' to 'green eye' in one frame - there's no blending or changing, which is the other major issue with doing this kind of effect in photoshop rather than something else designed specifically for video.

I know you were only trying to help, but saying to do it in photoshop is really bad advice, when it can be done easier and better looking, in effects lab.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:21pm

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ok i did a really quick test wiht image ready. can i export it as a .mov or do i have save and export each frame separatly
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:23pm

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nevermind it looks like crap. i'm gonna try it in effects lab now. thanks for trying to help though maximus6

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Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:25pm

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Multiwagon wrote:

nevermind it looks like crap. i'm gonna try it in effects lab now. thanks for trying to help though maximus6

-peace
Surprise Surprise.

Let's hope that if anything, you've now learnt to listen to me and sollthar.

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Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:48pm

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OK first of all dude, stop acting all high and mighty. You may have been right, but both of you said your way was better and I wanted to see for myself which way worked. OK so thanks for the help but don't act like a jerk because you were right.

-peace
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:53pm

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Easy there Multiwagon, no need for an attack.

Both Hybrid-Halo and myself only wanted to help you not to waste your time on something that wouldn't work as well.
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I believe Hybrid's last comment was intended somewhat tongue-in-cheek, anyhow, Multiwagon.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:54pm

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OK then sorry i was a jerk
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 10:54pm

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Nah, we're all jerks.

But that's OK. And on the plus side, now you know why I recommend so strongly against using imageready/photoshop. wink

-Hybrid.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 11:05pm

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we're all jerks.
I'll drink to that... wink
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 11:09pm

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*rasies mug*
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 11:13pm

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*smashes his mug into the collective*

Hoohar.

As a final note : Multiwagon, if you've got any queries about how to do the effect you're after in effectlab i.e. with the masking, tweening or which filter to use and how don't hesitate to ask.

Fxhome's pretty great for advice, and a generally friendly community for amateur to professional film makers, I hope my abrasive early morning posting hasn't convinced you otherwise. wink

-Hybrid.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 11:17pm

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No it hasn't. Just exactly how do you do the effect in effects lab cuz i can't figure it out.

-peace
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 11:22pm

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I'm about to head to sleep, though if you're willing to wait until tomorrow evening (in around 18 hours.) then I'll have had time to put together a quick tutorial.

In the meantime, I'd advise watching the fxhome video tutorials, as they'll guide you round the core of EffectsLab which will be necessary for you to understand any other tutorials that appear on fxhome.

There's also a good chance that you'll be able to work it out on your own once you know your way around the program.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Sun, 27th Aug 2006, 11:27pm

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OK dude thanks
Posted: Mon, 28th Aug 2006, 4:41pm

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Actually, this is extremely easy and so making a big tutorial on it would be silly.

Here's what you need to know about in order to be able to do this in effectslab:

1) Masking
You'll need to mask the eye shape which you want to change colour. This can essentially be any shape as there's a freehand mask tool, or like me you can just use the circular mask.

2) Tweening
This is animating the masked area over the area you want to change colour.

3) Filters
This is the effect you'll put on the masked area to change the colour of it.

In my example, I added a grading object above my video on the timeline and masked out the eye on the first frame I wanted it to change. Then I inverted the mask and tweened it for the duration of the time it needed to be a changed colour.

Then I graded the grading object using contrast, upping the black level until it looked alright.

Does that make sense?

I had a quick look at the covenant trailer, and saw that the whole eye area is black - so just mask the whole eye area rather than just the pupil. It's likely that during filming the actors just wore full eye contacts so as to make the process much quicker/easier.
Posted: Fri, 1st Sep 2006, 10:40am

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owwwwwwwwwwww crazy
that was just a LITTLE test........nothing (fancy) and thats why i used a still............sorry if i'm alittle late on the subject....but i went away for a 5 days... biggrin
Posted: Sun, 3rd Sep 2006, 5:04pm

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Use the AlamDv2 Plugins right here:
http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/info_cache/plugin1086.html



all you have to do is adjust the transparency.
Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2011, 1:55pm

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Have just read all your comments on changing eye colour.I've just purchased visionlab studio and i'm still finding it confusing.I'm doing a ghost film and I want the actor to have white eyes.Can anyone advise me on the best way.I am still at a novice stage with vision lab,but i'm getting there.PS are there any tutorials out there on the subject?.
Regards Phil.
Posted: Fri, 18th Feb 2011, 2:50pm

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I don't know of any tutorials, but I haven't looked. I assume the best way to do this would be to add a neon light effect, set the glow to 0, so you only have a white object, put that object over the eyes and wallah! You have white eyes!

Have a wonderful day/night!
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Many thanks.I have just give it a go and it looks great.
Thanks again for your input.Regards Phil.