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Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 10:57am

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Hi

Where I live you can't walk down the street without someone popping up offering pirate dvd's

So I made that into part of my film Superhero Harry.

funny Short clip.
http://www.bolt.com/b4uaskiamgod/video/2147300?cn=STREAM_b4uaskiamgod_video_large_PAGE1

Is it just my area in the UK or is this a worldwide thing?
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 11:08am

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Ok. That was seriously *funny* to me! biggrin

As to the DVD question, it's not widespread here, but we do have this one kid who comes into the local pub where I shoot darts every month or so trying to sell a stack of them. I've long suspected that he's a drug user, and I don't know if he's stealing them, or just selling off his own collection to support his habit, or...? Anyway, as I said, aside from him I don't see much of it 'round these parts.

Can't wait for the rest of your movie.
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 11:13am

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Hi
Thanks, what part are you from, i'm heathrow area england (near london), normally get a little chinese man working the streets, I wonder if it's just he UK, as the USA has the films out first there wouldn't be such as demand in the USA?


I'm havinga premeire of the Superhero Harry film on a Cinema in Bredtford, Middlesex (Watermans) on the 18th October 2006 1pm to 4pm

Anyone is welcome to come watch, let me know.
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 11:46am

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Were I able to drop everything and head 'cross the pond, I would seriously love to be there. Sadly I'm in upstate New York in the USA. (I have to say "upstate" which is the more rural, suburban area, to avoid confusing most of the people of the world who think that New York only means New York City.) I'm sure there's probably more highjacking of DVDs, etc. down in the Big Apple, but in our smaller area we are fortuante to have less crime pretty much across the board compared to the big cities.

Best of luck with your premier!
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 11:58am

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Manchester certainly has its fair share of itinerant street traders (usually Chinese) selling copied dvds of the latest movies and porn.

From what I've seen they're usually "filmed in the cinema" quality complete with people laughing. talking and walking across the screen.

Good luck for your premiere - watch out for pirates with video cameras or you might find yourself being offered a copy of your own movie on dvd in a few weeks!
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 12:33pm

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petet2 wrote:



Good luck for your premiere - watch out for pirates with video cameras or you might find yourself being offered a copy of your own movie on dvd in a few weeks!
EXCELLENT, now that would be something....
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 1:15pm

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I've seen a few here in toronto - Chinese men and women selling copies of movies that just came out in the theatre, and otheres...
There are MANY store in the Pacific Mall around here where pirated DVDs are pretty much their main sell I beleive....

SO yeah its here too

-MAGIC
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 1:41pm

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I almost WISH they had those kind of street vendors here in Dallas, so I wouldn't have ti wait 5 or 6 months for a movie to come out on DVD.
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 1:48pm

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Don't forget, kids, pirate DVDs fund terrorism!
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 2:04pm

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I never got offered DVD's, but I offer wink


cheers,
d.
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 4:20pm

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Where I live here in Florida, you don't see too much "pan handling" of DVD product on the street or in pubs/bars... The way the community is transitory and the specific portion I live in is to tourist trendy trying to sell DVDs to passers-by makes little sense.

Case in point is the NCPA versus PAL ratings/codes on DVDs- if you were to approach a Briton on holiday with copy of Live and Let Die on an American coded DVD it wouldn't play on any of their equipment; and usually the first words I hear out of English visitors wanting to buy a Disney product is "Is this PAL compatible?"

The average DVD pirate has little if any clue about the difference.

In this case, if a person were to "desire" a pirated first run film, usually you'd go to what we call a "flea market" here in The States [is it a "Boot Sale" in The UK? I don't remember] and look for one of the 300+ booths offering "brand new, never viewed," DVDs, CDs and video games... Strangely, the jewel case graphics are [painfully] obviously scanned and cut out and the CD/DVD is not a "pressed" copy but a Memorex, Fujio, TDK or some other like product with no graphics on it either...

Sad part is- Tarn may or may not be fooling- but we had a decidedly "shady" business shut down at 4 of these local 'flea markets' selling similar items [and many other things- not just multi media] and it turned out there was a definitive Al Quieda link.

Certainly, pirated multi-media was helping to fund Oggy Ben Doggy somewhere in the Afghan provinces... Though predominantly the exception- there's a bit of truth to what's been said!
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 4:40pm

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All UK DVD players are PAL / NTSC compatible because somewhere in the Region 2 zone (Japan I think) uses NTSC. All modern PAL tvs will happily play an NTSC signal as well. The problem is the Region 1 coding on dvds (though on most dvd players this is also easily overcome).

As for wishing you had access to the pirated discs - I wouldn't bother. Unless you are very lucky (or the movie is already out on dvd somewhere) then you will see a picture that looks like fifth generation vhs quality, appalling mono sound and I really wasn't joking about people in the cinema. I recently saw part of a pirate Snakes On a Plane dvd and thirty seconds into the titles this guy walked across in front of the camera. A big silhouette followed by an overexposed picture as the camera's auto gain readjusted. I didn't spend a fortune on a good tv and surround sound system to watch that!
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 5:02pm

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LOL really good fun clip......

I think its a damn cheek those pirates selling inferior dvd's to the public when i can't give mine away...LOL
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 5:29pm

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Here in birmingham i used to work at a motorcycle shop (not really an important detail) but we used to have people (usually of chinese origin) come round store to store trying to sell them. Looks like its not just london atleast.
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 7:21pm

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I see that all the time in Philly and NYC
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 7:25pm

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So it's not just a case of releasing the films in the cinemas at the same time, it's how quick they are released on dvd.

I once saw a proper test carried out by the film industries on tv, it was in new york i think, they was legally selling the film that was in the cinema at the same time on dvd.
I guess they never followed it up or did they?
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 8:48pm

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Lots in NYC, I was really tempted to buy Return of the King before it was released. smile
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 8:55pm

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Interesting...


Can I see what you guys would think if, your film was copied and sold.?


In a weird way I'd feel happy that it's worthy.

What about you,?
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 9:59pm

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I'd be please and then sue them for the cash.
Posted: Wed, 6th Sep 2006, 11:50pm

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there all over here (NYC), and all most all are garbage copies -
Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2006, 2:26am

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Yeah they are garbage. I have a friend who lives in brooklyn and he buys them all the time. I'd be mad if people were seeing my film before it was released in theatres or even on dvd. Thank god the quality of those dvd's are awful.
Posted: Thu, 7th Sep 2006, 4:05am

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Some one tried to sell me a copy of POTC 2. titled: "Orlando bloom, that hot chick and johny deep" <-notice the spelling anyone.. wild eh?
Posted: Sat, 9th Sep 2006, 9:02am

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While I've never seen anyone selling DVD's on the street, (here in Nebraska, imagine that,) a friend of mine had a pirate copy of the Passion of the Christ. Don't recall where he got that.
Posted: Sun, 10th Sep 2006, 12:56am

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that stuff's all over the place here in the philippines. In the malls, on the streets, in the GROCERY STORES...

And not all of 'em are bad quality, i've seen DVD quality ones too, just not the new releases....

Clinto
Posted: Mon, 11th Sep 2006, 12:59pm

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All of my family and I are HUGE Lord of the Rings fans, and this one friend of the family was deployed to Turkey the summer before Two Towers came out. Apparently the pirated market is really big over there so she bought a copy for us. I guess that she didn’t think of it as stealing because someone else pirated it, kinda funny, huh?

The quality wasn’t all that bad, it wasn’t as good as the real thing, but it wasn’t as bad as you might think. And there was nothing wrong with the audio as far as I could tell. The only weird thing was that the words “for your consideration” appeared periodically throughout the film.

It was fun to be able to see it before most other people, but it took some of the fun out of it when the real thing came out. So I think you can be glad you waited for RotK, Serpent.
Posted: Mon, 11th Sep 2006, 3:14pm

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What you will have seen there then is a copy of a preview copy.

When a film gets reviewed, or when a film is being judged for a competition (oscars, cannes etc), the reviewer/judges get sent a copy that's specifically marked out as a preview, hence the "for your consideration".

Copies like that tend to be reasonable quality, as they're just DVD rips from a DVD quality source. Obviously they're compressed and re-ripped many times over before you get them, but it's not as bad as most pirate copies are.

Most copies, however, are just people taking cameras into the cinema and filming. There's anti-piracy techniques being brought in to stop this, but there's such a high demand and massive market in pirated videos, that it's simply too big a fight to be won (imho). As soon as someone comes up with a technique to stop the pirates, then the pirates invent something else to get around it - the pirates aren't as stupid as some people might think....

Cheers,
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Back in middle school my friends owned one of those Two Towers copies that said "for your consideration". We all found that really weird.
Posted: Thu, 14th Sep 2006, 4:34pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

Interesting...

Can I see what you guys would think if, your film was copied and sold?
Major League "Hacked Off"...

I've done Special Effects for two films that had been [shall we say...] "absconded" and sold without benefit of residuals or even the proper percentages paid to the production company or it's investors:

Here in the States, the film was called Lycanthrope- in the UK it was Bloody Moon... The lawyers estimated that though the sales would have been small by comparison just my "cut" alone of film profits would have been close to the $100K range.

No trial was ever set because the "distributors" conveniently folded and went into business as another entity selling the same library of films as "purchased commodities" from the original bankrupting business. Different owners, different overhead, different storefront, same charletons playing the same tired game.

"Funny" how the 'goons' of the film/entertainment industry can make a living at it but the talent and hard work to make the product can so easily be ripped off.

"Pirating" is so disengenuous- it really does rob the working man of the film industry.
Posted: Thu, 14th Sep 2006, 6:28pm

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Was that the one directed by Bob Cook?
Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2006, 5:23pm

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Nutbar wrote:

Was that the one directed by Bob Cook?
You got it.

Just in case- and for clarity's sake understand that Bob Cook was not the mendicant in this issue- it was solely the part of the distributorship he'd had faith in that screwed not only him, but those who'd invested time, talent and money- Bob had to work incredibly hard afterwards to meet the needs of investors.

No- whether piracy or outright theft, I have a nice, cushiony soft spot for ne'r-do-wells of that ilk... It's right next to Beelzebub.

The trials and tribulations that has to go through as a Producer/ Director sometimes... Aye yi, Yi! Makes me glad I only have to make sure what he shoots looks good!
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 2:21am

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The company my dad used to work for had an office in NYC, so he had to periodically go up there. I remember he bought a pirated copy of SWAT before it came out on dvd. They're terrible quality, shaky, bad audio, bad video, heads in the way, and babies crying. I think it goes without saying he didn't buy another.