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Attack of the Clones (spoilers)

Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 6:26pm

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Hi Guys,

Just been to see Attack of the Clones. I wasn't expecting much from the film and I've been totally surprised. If you were worried it was going to be another Episode 1 (sorry if you like Ep1, I was left cold by it) then forget about it. Ep2 is really a great film and has lots of new ideas to keep the fan films flowing.

Hope everyone gets to see it soon, it's a very powerful film with good performances by all the cast - including Hayden Christensen who is most impressive.

I will be watching it again, maybe by the third time I'll start working out how they did some of the great effects.

Star Wars is back...

Schwar
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 6:37pm

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Yup, great stuff.

I actually liked The Phantom Menace, too, but Attack of the Clones really is something else......amazing stuff.

Great stuff all round. Some people won't like the romance plot, some people won't like the political stuff, but I liked all of it. And it was damned funny, and it just KICKED ASS in so many place. So many defining moments in this one.

And, yes, Hayden Christensen is fantastic.
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 6:41pm

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stop taunting me, i won't able to see the film for ages, it's just not fair sad
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:36pm

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yeah, i saw it last night.. and going again on saturday.. i think it was a great film, but i thoght it would be more from the clonewars.. but it problably comes a little more in ep.3 cool
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:37pm

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just saw it, it was realy cool!
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:41pm

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I saw it today and it's really good, we really see where it's going for EP3...

We should see a lot of new fanfilm coming... wink
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:42pm

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Andreas - I know what you mean. From the trailers and my general assumptions about the overall 6-film story, I thought I knew exactly what was going to happen in Attack of the Clones.

As it happened, something that made it really enjoyable for me was that it continuously did exactly what I didn't expect it to do!
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 7:52pm

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Why won't you be able to see it for ages TMM ?
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:11pm

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yey, got my plan sorted...

...gonna get a bus at 6:30, to norwich(the best place to go around here) then sit outside the cinema all day, until i can get a ticket... smile smile smile
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:16pm

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I haven't seen it, but I do know some funny stuff about it . . . like the retarded names they have for some of the characters!

Mr. Fisto (They don't call me Mister Fisto for nothin') rolleyes
Dexter Jettster
And something Sleasebaggano


George Lucas to an Employee:

Mr. Fisto is a great idea! Swanson, you're a genius! Here's 1 million bucks!
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:19pm

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lol, i know what u mean, but then again, in the context of the film, it could be great...
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:31pm

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yeah! but is a really good movie it is.. but im love the yoda duel
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:33pm

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yeah. that's the main bit i am waiting for, aswell as the bigBIG fight in that kinda duel pit (i think that's what it is) oh and some jango fett stuffs smile smile smile i realyl can't wait, i am bouncing around the room...
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 8:59pm

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NO SPOILERS PLEASE!

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Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 9:09pm

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don't kill me, but i gotta say i didn't like it too much.
the diologue in attack of the clones makes comicbook diologue seem like shakepeare. it's just sooo corny!

i wasn't too impressed. besides the really sweet digital effects, it had no heart. the characters in the original 3 star wars, on the other hand, had a great chemistry. they weren't so stiff. lucas has seriously lost his touch. he directed the original star wars, and it was very good. the next star wars he directed, over 20 yrs later, was phantom menace, and by that time, he had lost the ability to replicate the 'magic'. instead, he goes for the sterile, cold world of digital effects in every single scene. where's the love?
(it is much better than ep1 though.)

anyway, it's nice to finally see a jedi without an australian accent though.

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Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 9:10pm

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Listend to the guy with all the medals razz (all you're icons to the right)
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 9:15pm

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I wanna se this movie! my friend had the 3rd ticket here in sweden cool
And i agree, the old movies is just so, just so, natural. (We are Supernatural... it's so sexual, bla bla this stupid song suck, and makes my head explode!) a insider joke that Andreas, or any sweed would understand.
Posted: Thu, 16th May 2002, 9:35pm

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I can understand people complaining about lack of chemistry in Phantom Menace. Whilst I really like the film, the acting is oddly stilted, except for Liam Neeson who I think is perfect. Which is strange, because they're all great actors.

In Clones, though, I thought they got it right. It really had the feeling of the original trilogy. Obi-Wan and Anakin had a nice father/son/friend/enemy relationship going on, Padme was far more interesting this time round, Yoda and Mace Windu were great and mixed in very well - you could just sense how much everyone revered them. There was a real sense of these people knowing each other.

As for the dialogue...I loved it. It's every bit as stylised as I'd expect from Star Wars. And it's certainly better dialogue than much of what is in Jedi.

It's just got a great sense of fun, real serial stuff. The humour I really got into, as well - something Phantom Menace really lacked. Some of hte dialogue was excellent, though - when it actually got down and serious. Like when Anakin is talking about what he has just done to Padme (trying to avoid spoilers here), and it was genuinely scary stuff. Kudos to Hayden on that one, too.

This is romantic, escapist melodrama. That's how Star Wars works.
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 1:16am

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Crouching Yoda, Hidden Sith
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 2:46am

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Binjder wrote:

don't kill me, but i gotta say i didn't like it too much.
the diologue in attack of the clones makes comicbook diologue seem like shakepeare. it's just sooo corny!

i wasn't too impressed. besides the really sweet digital effects, it had no heart. the characters in the original 3 star wars, on the other hand, had a great chemistry. they weren't so stiff. lucas has seriously lost his touch. he directed the original star wars, and it was very good. the next star wars he directed, over 20 yrs later, was phantom menace, and by that time, he had lost the ability to replicate the 'magic'. instead, he goes for the sterile, cold world of digital effects in every single scene. where's the love?
(it is much better than ep1 though.)

anyway, it's nice to finally see a jedi without an australian accent though.

wink
You couldn't have said it better. I completely agree, without going into detail now (i will have like 4 reviews up tomorrow on www.scope-entertainment.com - our opening day smile ) i have to warn everyone, the title is MISLEADING. Do not beleive it.

Btw, i think lucas screwed himself over somewhat with the story and dialogue.

As for yoda, that was great, and that's the highlight of the movie. Period. Other than ILM's unbeleivable/amazing work, yoda is the only other part for seeing it. Enough said.


Let's talk technical now:

What do people think of the digital camera? Personally, i think they need to work on the digital camera picking up black light better.

I noticed when watching, that if something (a big area) was black, and not CG (ie-real background) it was fuzzy, whilst black CG looked completely smooth.

I would say that this was the copy of the film, but it can't be, i walked into two other theatres (i work at one, so i can do that smile ), and it had the same problem.

Other than that, the digital camera is slendid.

Two things annoyed me though, the #$(#*$(# wipes that Lucas has apparently married...and the green-screen lighting was off more than usual; i had seen it better in many other films (see matrix).

that's about it.

any thoughts?
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 3:24am

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Not fair!

By the time the movie reachest Japan and gets shown on theaters everybody else in the world would have seen it. sad

The only thing I can do is wait... please don't ruin it for me, no spoilers!

About people saying Lucas is losing his touch. It might be true, he was looking more on the effects than on the story line on Phantom menace. I hope this one has more to the story line as well as the effects.

A good story with good special effects make a great movie.
A bad storyline, even with the greatest effects make a bad movie.

RT
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 5:18am

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leave it to george lucas to ruin a good series. he must have gotten bored after all these years.

phantom menace screenplay


EXT. NABOO

They run until they smack into some more CGI.

JAR JAR
Who might you be?

LIAM NEESON
(staring in the general
direction of Jar Jar, but
not really staring at him)
I am a Jedi. There are bad things
coming. Take me to your homeland.


JAR JAR
I see. That is quite interesting. I
will guide you to the land from which
I have come.

Suddenly, GEORGE LUCAS realizes the Jar Jar toys aren't
selling well enough.

JAR JAR (cont^Od)
Oh! Meesa sorry! Meesa ment to
saysa: Weesa can go back to Jamaica
mon, okeyday?

EWAN MCGREGOR
(staring at something right
above Jar Jar)
Good. Do you have a hotel room for me
and Liam? We have..uh..Jedi business
to attend to.

JAR JAR
Weesa can smokesa some ganja, mon.

AUDIENCE
Die. Die, Jar Jar. Nobody likes you.

eek
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 10:31am

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I think its inaccurate to say the chroma key in the matrix is better. Looking at the matrix now most of the effects are really quite poor and many have fringing (if not all).

I was disappointed by the CG characters in Ep2 - they were all very obvious but the action was really good. I know it isn't the same as the first 3 films, but you can't make films like that anymore. Unlike Ep1, which just had nothing really going on, Ep2 fits in tons of plot and keeps things moving almost all the time. It is a new kind of Star Wars film and I hope Ep3 follows the same structure layed out in Ep2.

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As for Jar Jar, its nice to see that Lucas has taken note of how much everyone hated him and made him one of the main reasons the Republic gets destroyed smile
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 12:55pm

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I have to say that some of the 3d work is awfull..!! when they have the jedimeeting or what it was u can se some couches in the back.. they look like i did them! really bad! unsure
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 2:56pm

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I've got Cypher's back. I saw it last night. You only need to be there for 45 seconds of film. Read my post here if you are interested in my Review (it should be on Scope E. soon as well).

http://www.csb-digital.com/alamdv/community/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2566

-Neo smile
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 3:34pm

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Been thinking lots about it, and I've come to the conclusion that Attack of the Clones is a great film.

Sure, it has flaws, but so does any film.

However, I don't think any of the flaws mentioned on here by other people I actually agree with at all.

As for the person who said that the 3D CGI was bad - are you insane? Did you somehow get to watch the animatics by accident instead? Of all things you can complain about the film, the special effects are not one of them. Anybody who says that the effects in this film are bad needs to be examined by a psychiatrist.

Or, at least, needs to look up the word 'bad' in a dictionary.
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 3:49pm

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i just think it is the most fantastic film i have ever seen...

It HAS a very good storyline, and the action remains constant through out...

It also links to the original 3 films (not giving anythign away though razz)

It also must be said that the effects where ther best i hve ever seen, except for the lightsabres that the "baby" jedis had (the children training with yoda) they looked odd...
Posted: Fri, 17th May 2002, 10:26pm

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He...he..he.....it goes on! wink

I should have been more specific, my bad. I wrote that immediatly after the film (at like 1:30 am). I meant that there was a very noticeable difference in the CGI during certain parts (those scenes I mentioned). I assumed they were airbrushed backdrops (as they looked it and didn't "scroll" like the rest of the CG stuff). It looked out of place. I just don't understand why ILM would do that when the rest of the movie looked nuts.

I did say that it looked amazing for the record bar those two instances. Yoda himself was ridiculous. Especially in the fight scenes. If I can ever do animation to 1 billionth of that cailbre I'd be happy.

-Neo
Posted: Sat, 18th May 2002, 2:22am

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The coolest part is when the go to the arena and pick up the jedis and have that huge freakin' battle! THAT WAS SO COOL! So cool that I could watch . . it . . .again!!!!!! YEAH!!! The dialouge was pretty generic, but all the bad parts (Yoda fighting!) were made up in the huge battle scene! I like those storm troopers! They shoot cool things and the part with the arena was cool . . .wait already said that. . . . uh yeah . . . . . .I love those planes that they got picked up in . . . with the guns a-shootin and the sabers-a swinging - - cool. twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted twisted !!!!!!
Posted: Sat, 18th May 2002, 4:33am

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Just saw it. I liked it a lot, however, some things i didn't like:

The dialogue was pretty corny. It was almost like they worked too hard on the dialogue and were trying to make everything sound important. they just need to let normal dialogue go to!!

I think they are trying to be too profound with a lot of it. Especially the lightsabers. In 4, 5, and 6 all you see are normal lightsabers with different colors. In 1 and 2 you see dual sabers, bent handles and people holding 2 at a time! What is up with that!! Orginal lightsabers were fine, maybe you they should just pick ONE new allteration of the saber and use it, but not THREE! This really shows how much they WANTED these scenes to be 'important', but i think it sorta back-fired.

Anyways, don't want to dwell on the bad. Overall I thought it was a very good movie.
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overall, it is a very good movie, but it does not deserve the 5 star ratings people are giving it.
Posted: Sat, 18th May 2002, 5:33pm

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I never know how to react to movies. I think it really depends on the mood I'm in when I go to see it.

I will say this. I was really pumped up about it after watching all the trailers and teasers and whatnot, but in the theater I wasn't feeling the anticipation of what's next.

I want to say I enjoyed the effects but I think it was a bit too much. That movie had one of the heaviest CG elements I have ever seen in cinema. Some scenes having only the character placed on a complete CG Matte. It was almost distracting at times.

One of the reasons the originals seem so good is because they are still very real. Locations are for the most part real, and there is much more reliance on costuming and set design rather than having a computer design it all. It seemed to me that Yoda was almost entirely CG in this one which seems to take away from the appreciation of Frank OZ's skill as a puppeteer.

All in all, I don't regret seeing it, and I like the fact that it put the WARS back in Star Wars. The action was intense. But it just didn't feel real. The story seemed to fall second place to the action, and as a result, the dialog suffered.

Just my 2 cents. By all means if you are on a site like this you need to go see it, but I just don't consider it epic material or even great material.

May the force be with George Lucas on the 3rd installment.
Posted: Sat, 18th May 2002, 7:28pm

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Third time is always a charm. I'm offering my plot suggestions on the next one:

1) Amidala being killed by Dooku under Obi Wans protection
2) Anakin loosing it- big fight between he and Obi Wan, Anakin in the Lava pit (enter Palpatine to the rescue)
3) Big trouble in the Republic- lots of space battles (we need more of these)
4) Jedi running to the hills, getting killed
5) Showdown beteen Mace Windu and Dooku (Windu gets the chop)
6) Showdown between Yoda and Palpatine (that would be too cool)
7) Final 5 minutes where Palpatine tells a "mysterious" figure how Dooku killed his woman
cool Palpatine telling Dooku how he's not the "right hand man" any more
9) Vader is introduced in the "suit" - he takes care of Dooku in the greatest lightsaber match ever (none of this 30 second crap- something epic!)
10)Some "conclusive" dialogue between Vader and Palpatine - movie closes
11) Everyone is happy!!!!! biggrin biggrin biggrin

Could be epic..........just my thoughts on it...............I'm sure you've all got yours too......why don't we all write the script and send it to Lucas!!!!!????

-Neo
Posted: Sun, 19th May 2002, 2:11pm

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Hmm...I've been wondering how Mace Windu is going to go out.

I can't imagine him being beaten by Dooku, to be honest. Yoda would've kicked Dooku's ass if he hadn't pulled that dirty trick with the girder thing.

I think the only way that Windu is going down is if he's totally outnumbered. He'll probably go down in a heroic, sacrificial way as well, helping others to escape in the process. Maybe even allowing Yoda to escape to Dagobah.
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i think anakin should kill him, and that is how he gets into the fight with obi wan....

u see anakin is already quite evil, and palpatine persuades him that mace windu is holding him back and that the only way he can progress is by killing him, so he goes off to kill mace, but then gets in a fight with him, when obi wans sees him kill mace, anakin runs, obi wan follows him to sum planet, where anakin fights him....

just a quick idea, wouldn't really fit into the storyline much though...
Posted: Sun, 19th May 2002, 3:51pm

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you know what'd be really cool? If some of the classic ships were introduced, like the X-wing. It'd be way cool to see the rebellion start to form, or any of the classic trilogy stuff showing up at the end.

But it probably won't happen. neutral
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maybe they could introduce the first ships of the rebellion, like older looking x-wings if u see what i mean. Not actual x-wings, but what the x-wings were based on...

did that make sense??? it's a bit like in ep2 u see the ships that the star destroyers were based on crazy
Posted: Sun, 19th May 2002, 7:23pm

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That would be cool. I can see Anakin getting rid of Windu. I'd be happy to see more of the Slave I in action again and maybe a TIE Fighter or two on the prowl.

I saw an interview last night with Lucas that was pretty interesting. Some of the comments he made were totally refreshing while others were scary. I'm including some of what he said in my latest review of Episode II for Scope Entertainment.

By the way Tarn, my "final" review is just about finished. I'll probably post it directly to Cypher's site but I'll PM it to you so you can give me your opinion on it if you're interested. I'd love to hear what you think (_ you can proofread it for me wink ).

............unless of course, people would prefer it posted here so everyone can have a go at it. Everyone's voice is important to me. Not like what I say is truly important anyway, but a review, good or bad, makes for good/interesting dialogue nonetheless! biggrin wink

-Neo
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i thought it was a great movie and would like somebody to make me a few plug-ins like a roller droid that rolls from the side and rolls into action and starts shooting I know this is a lot to ask for and I have already downloaded both droids plug-ins avaliable but i would like to make a star wars movie and send it in. thanks
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Neo wrote:

............unless of course, people would prefer it posted here so everyone can have a go at it.
I know i would certainly love to read it, and i am sure a lot of others would too, so i think u should post it on the forum...
Posted: Sun, 19th May 2002, 10:10pm

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Jango Fett rules and so does Boba Fett. I didn't know Boba was a clone version of Jango, which is really cool. (sorry if that spoiled something for someone)
Is everyone going to buy the replicas of the light sabers and blasters? I'm guessing that by the time they come out, we will be having movies everywhere on this site with those saber and blaster rifles in them. Check them out if you haven't already...they are really cool. Their made of metal and everything else also...none of that cheap plastic crap.(those plastic light sabers are still kind of cool though) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/browse/-/977408/ref=br_bx_c_2_2/103-9435473-6409458 biggrin Have fun looking at that stuff. I know I did. wink
Posted: Sun, 19th May 2002, 11:12pm

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I´ve seen Ep2 today and I must say it´s better than ep1, there are more effects and you see more of the star wars universe, this movie has a bigger dimension than ep1.

Ep2 RuLeZ

bob
Posted: Mon, 20th May 2002, 12:03am

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Look forward to reading the final version of your review, Neo.


Regarding the Mace Windu issue...yeah, I think only Anakin (and the Emperor, perhaps) has the power to take out Mace Windu by himself. Or, at least, once Anakin is at his full power.

What's interesting I think is the way that Anakin is not *evil* as such - he wants to do the right thing. He just thinks that the end justifies the means, as illustrated by his conversation with Padme, in which he says that people should be made to understand. He doesn't want to do that to be evil or have power - he just wants for everybody to be happy and everything to be ordered and calm. The fact that that wish leads him to the Dark Side and such a terrible life is pretty damned tragic...
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...or he wants communism in other words... twisted
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Doesn't sound like communism to me.

Sounds more like any kind of totalitarian dictatorship.

Closest it comes to communism is the proto-communism that Lenin started off with, which Stalin then crapped up.

Thing is, totalitarian dictatorship should be the perfect form of government. Unfortunately, the kind of people that want to be totalitarian dictators are the very people who are the least suitable for the job...
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Yeah...I hate it when people talk about how communism would work if someone did it right, or that dictatorships are good forms of governments, but they've just had some bad leaders....

I want those people to wake up.

And see Real Life.

It's a cold, harsh, cruel world.

Republics (a.k.a. voice of the people) are really the only things that work.

which ties into capitalism, free trade, profit motive, democracy, constitutions, justice, separation of government and economy, freedom, etc.

But I won't go there now. wink
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So speaks a true American... wink

There's nothing wrong with communism - if anybody ever got it to work properly, it'd be fantastic. Unfortunately, it fails to take into account human nature.

Human nature tends towards selfish actions, greed, lust for power, apathy and a lack of responsibility. All of which ties into Western traditions of capitalism, profit motive, democracy, justice, economy, freedom etc...

Any form of politics (that I'm aware of, at any rate) is bound to fail in some way.

Communism fails because it works from a human ideal, one which can never be met by enough people, ultimately leading to a rather unpleasant dictatorship.

Capitalism fails because, whilst it works for the general human, it inevitably leads to greed, corruption, war and, ultimately, the destruction of the planet.

Unfortunate, really.

It'd all be a lot easier if people just didn't give a damn about politics. Then everything'd be fine.
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im back from a little holiday.. razz reed all the post here and tarn took up that i said that the 3d was awfull, i said that some of the 3d was awful and i ment one thing that i explaind in a bad english.. im not stupid u know! (or am i) the 3d rocks!
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Okay folks. It'll be posted here some time tomorrow night. I have the nastiest hangover in the universe so I didn't get a chance to finish it up. Stay tuned.

I'm also gonna have a crack at some of the "other stuff" floating around here.........Communism! This is getting good! Love it!

-Neo wink
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Neo, have you checked your email recently?
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Not the "work" addresses I've been emailing you from. I don't usually bother with that one unless I'm "at" work. Email me at home dude after 4:00 pm Mon.-Fri (weekends use my home as well). I'll be checking it when I get in tomorrow morning. Sorry Cypher. Cheers.

-Neo
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...goonigoogoo... oink
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Que? crazy tard

-Neo
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that's a line from eddie murphy in delerious.

"Goonigoogoo Gus."

from the Drunk cookouts part.

its quite hilarious in my opinion (not as funny as the ending of RAW though. lol, i just rmember it.hahahahah)
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Be careful what you say about communism, tarn. Saying that it works is an insult to the millions of people who have died under its rule.

In debate class, at my school, they were discussing what we are here. One of the kids said "You know, if you think about it, the idea of communism isn't all that bad."

Then another kid stood up and said "Not that bad? Communism killed my grandfather."

neutral


Theory and Reality are very different. Capitalism works off of how the REAL world works, and actually has very few flaws.
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either way, you can't deny that, like someone said, if we had proper rulers, communism wouldn't be as bad as people view it now.
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Marx would would say that we are all idealists living under false truths. Nietzsche would say that we resent our government for what it's done to us fiscally. Neo says while this is very interesting, but it's a bit heavy for the "News" section of a "Film" website. Nonetheless, I'll toss my two cents (perhaps that's all it's worth):

I think (generally) any "ism" is bad, as it fundamentally represents an extreme. Each of these "ideals" have inherent "good" qualities (barring perhaps "facism/nazism" which I think most of agree is not such a great theoretical practice wink - but whatever gets you off I guess). Don't get me wrong, I don't agree that we should sit around blindly and bob our heads like mindless automatons while the "leaders" of our various countries make decisions about our futures, but I do think that the "average" Joe (no offence averagejoe) doesn't give a feck about what goes on. As long as he/she makes enough coin to pay the rent, life is good. evil The "freerer" thinking human can influence others, but only in the confines of what their "political" sphere allows (look at all the horror over practising Falon Gong in China).

If you think Communism is great, go talk to anyone who lived through Pol Pot's rein in Cambodia. If you favour Capitalism, head on "downtown" in any major city and talk to some homeless "Stock Brokers". If anyone liked that new Hugh Grant movie I'd be happier to take that one on (the horror........don't ask how I ended up in that theatre......cry )

I'm going to have another drink before I get myself into too much trouble. Don't take this rant to seriously. wink

-Neo
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I think too many people see "communism" as something evil, these days. It's not evil, it's just a bad idea. The intention behind it is good, but it could never work! even WITH a good leader!

I don't think there will ever be a true FULLY working type of government. Look at the roman empire: it was a republic and it died. Just goes to show any type of government can fail.

Tarn: I do think people need to give a 'damn' about politics. Without 'the people' participating in the government, the type of government will fail.
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...people should participate in government.

but as i stand, what i would say to a politician in a vote.

"I would love to help you, I really would.........but im not gonna."


lol
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Hey All

I've seen episode 2 about maybe 5 times, not in theaters paying of cource, good old bootleg, hehe, (kind of fun watching it at school all day), and overall this movie is amazing

Anakin's roll is definately shown goign towards the darkside etc, and the effects are great, except over used a bit, why couldnt; there have been a yoda pupet? ah well.

Overall the movie is AMAZING!

-MAGIC
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In response to Neo...

The stockbroker would have lost his money by his OWN mistake, not because the commie government took it from him. THat's why I think capitalism is the best, because you dictate what happens to your money. If you lose it, too bad, if you are too lazy or irresponsible to get yourself out of hard times, too bad.

And when I read Magic_Man's response, I wondered "What's he doing, talking about Star Wars?"...Maybe we should get back on the topic of the original post... tard
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I've seen Episode2 now too... And I think that movie is absolutely weak...

Cool Effects and great music (ILM and John Williams, what else to expect).

But the rest was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on the big screen... That script was absoluty stupid.

Sorry, But I would give it 2 out of 5 stars... And this just because of the effects.
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sidewinder wrote:


The stockbroker would have lost his money by his OWN mistake
...not necessarily...
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Though I agree with Solthar that episode 2 ain't that great, i think it still deserves a 4/5, tops (compare to many other ratings to other films, 4 is VERY good)


in the end, if u take away ILM, John WIlliams, and the Yoda scene (tho its worthit forthat...) you have a B- movie.

I saw it only twice, compared to some people's 5 times, but I still can't say anything good about the acting, and some parts were just painful to watch...ie, "I call that agressive negotiations." What was lucas on?

o well, maybe he can learn from his mistakes, and simply write the story, and let someone else do the screenplay. (he can help by all means, but he shouldn't be lead screenwriter, at his current state)

btw, as with star wars, if you take away a few things, like in say LOTR, you have a great story...you know what. I'm not going to finish this sentence. It will just start more controversy.

anyway, ep2 IS worth a watch or two. Butdon't look any substance.
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I thought that it was action packed and great, but some of the acting was very bad, but I loved Yoda's fight... it was cool cool
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who in their right mind did not enjoy the Yoda scene? tard
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I dind't.. I thought it was stupid and ridicolous... :(
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i think it was very class, but it is a matter of opinion i guess, i found it funny the way he limps in with his cane, and then suddenly he is doing all this flips and stuff crazy very bizarre...
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i htought it was hilarious.

honestly solthar, ur the first person who hasn't enjoyed the yoda scene that i know
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Maybe it was because I haven't enjoyed the film at all... It was structured as a Dudikoff film... Very B-Movie like Script. Me and my friends were very disappointed (I actually think it's one of the worst script I've seen on the big screen for the last 5 years).
So this Yoda scene was just the last drop... I don't know... I had to laugh, but not because I thought it was funny, but because I thought it was very very ridicolous. Something that Lucas just did because he knew the fans would enjoy it, but as a believable thing in the script it was a pain in the ass.

The whole movie looked to me like that... Movies speak their own language... And this movie said:
"hey, I'm a very bad movie. But you know what? I'm called Star Wars, so people are gonna love me and make me a financial success even if I'd be the worst movie in film history and I can do what I want."


Filmreviewers here wrote "Lucas is a very good Producer ad a smart marketing man, but he is an awful author and director".... I think they were absolutely right.
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he...he.he......sounds like me a couple of weeks ago Solthar. Try seeing it again (but I'd wait and rent it....Lucas doesn't need any more of our coin unless he's going to write better scripts wink ).

I didn't find it as bad the second time around. I'd say it's a 3.2/5 tops, for exactly the same reasons Solthar sited, only I'm not as pissed off as I was when I first saw it so my feelings aren't as bad.

Maybe we should all work for the I.O.C. and judge figure skating instead of movies crazy

-Neo
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how bout independent films? ya, those tree-huggin hippie moon-maidens....no wait.....or is it "a bunch of gay cowboys eatin puddin"


either way....
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HEY! Indy movies aren't just for gays and hippies! There are some very nice horror films and zombie movies that are independant films! Sheesh!
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fif
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Cypher!!! Why do you keep posting gibberish!?!?!?!

You do know that racking posts dishonestly is the worst thing you can do . . .. . next to pirating AlamDV.
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watch Bowfinger, than you'll understand why that post is funny.....


and here's something for ya::::
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what's for me?
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mr. crazy bilbo
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and by the way, I have seen bowfinger, but i don't see why it's funny . . .

KIT! Keep It Togetha Keep It Togetha Keep It Togetha!
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Fif (or phiiifph) is at the end when steve martin makes a gesture with his hands which implies both

-gone
-and not caring
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I agree with Mecha about the films (unless we've both misunderstood you, then sorry). I saw 2 amazing Indy Films last year. One called "G", and the other called the "Last Birthday Card". They were part of a test pilot for the "Orphanage" and the "Magic Bullet". I can tell you they were not geared towards the minority groups mentioned here (especially the Last Birthday Card- which is one of the most violent movie's I've ever seen).

Let's not forget guys, without Indy Films, we wouldn't be here right now (oh.....and Schwar and Malone of course lol ).

-Neo
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I was actually joking. I too two funny quotes, one from simpsons, other from south park and put them here as joke. It wasn't meant to be serious
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Cypher, they've cloned you! One was bad enough.

-Neo crazy
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Each time Yoda looks at Palpatine it seems he knows something.
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Yoda is puzzled by PAlp I think. He is sensing something and is unable to put his 3 fingers on it. Again and again we see yoda and Mace talk about the darkside clouding everything and stiffeling their abilities. Maybe yoda feels extra restricted in Palp's presence. The problem is that you cant just point a finger at the High What's IT Head Honcho BOss Man dude. Who knows maybe the Palp in the hot seat is a clone and not really Palp anymore.... Thus allowing the real Palp/Sidious to concentrate on eminating his evil MOJO to steer things the way he needs them... Enough of my 15 yearold-fanboy alter ego's ramblings... crazy

The communist thing that a few people keep bringing up... Have you guys read the "Communist Manifesto"? Before you lable things "Communist" you need to read about it... I do not adhear to it's model of government but was very surprised to find that our current setup reflects it in some ways... Just run a search on google or somewhere and type "communist manifesto" there are tons and tons of sites with th whole thing on line for your reading pleasure/pain...