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Posted: Mon, 11th Sep 2006, 9:33pm

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Axis of Evil Productions return with their latest comedy short film 'Get Lost', created for the September 2006 stage production of The Coalition at the Playhouse theatre in Norwich.

The Coalition follows the unlikely adventures of three flatmates - Andy, Tom and The Yank. So far they've had to deal with zombies, homicidal girlfriends, murderous neighbours and even William Shakespeare.


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Posted: Mon, 11th Sep 2006, 10:29pm

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Watching... looks very good so far, very funny and great acting razz... review to come....

EDIT/Review : I thought this was VERY funny and also good visuals. The acting was great, spot on. The grading was very good. My 2 favourite seens where 1. The polar bear scene... absolutely hilarious! the fact u can see its a teddy and that theres a guy holding it really makes it humourus. 2. Where that wierd black smoke thing came to that guy and he says "Nothing, just some weird ass CGI effect." I thought that was very funny. I love how it keeps its proffesionalism with the shots and techniques but shows like the funny fake sound effects which obviously you did on purpose etc.

Great Stuff 5/5

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Posted: Mon, 11th Sep 2006, 10:58pm

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Although I really like Lost, I thought you were spot on with several of your jokes. The flashbacks were great, especially when he learns how to make bombs, and then he has a stick of dynamite in his hand back on the island. Sadly, sometimes in the actual show there are similiar scenarios like this with the characters.

My favorite part was the island security system (a.k.a the black smoke). Executed incredibly well. Just like the show. The sad thing is how similiar your effect was compared to Lost.

Great job... yet some parts annoyed me because I am a fan of the actual show.
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 12:52am

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Loved it! Comedy wasn't even my style, and I still thought it was great! Good camerwork, decent acting, good comedic timing, good editing, good titles, all around a very good piece of work.

The only thing I have to nitpick on is the grading. Why? Why add the glow, it looks obvious and slapped on! This same thing was done with the Coalition of the Ring, and nobody agreed with me, but here I actually have an argument.

Tarn, you told me that sometimes rather than being stark and contrasty, sometimes it needs to be subtle and unoticeable. Well, here, you've gone too extreme with the glow and saturation, (not to mention one or two obvious blue-to-yellow tone gradient maps, SOME look good though) and it makes the video look unpolished and unfinished at grading. Why not just a add a light bleach bypass, up the contrast and saturation a TAD, and add your selective colors in VLab? Why, god why, do you have to kill all the great colors, sharpness, and contrast of your video with a glow? Some people have a lagging halo around them in some shots, for God's sakes!

It ruins what was an otherwise frame-for-frame perfect Lost lookalike/parody. 4/5, and PLEASE don't retort about the grading by just saying I like high contrast. There's clearly some issues here, which is sad because it detracts from great special effects like the black smoke or the CG'ed (is it?) hatch door flying down.
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 5:17am

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for some reason only half of the movie is dowloading??? huh, anyone else hav dis problem?
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 7:26am

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Hi guys, thanks for the great comments!

Cooldude - seems fine here. Maybe try clearing your browser cache then right clicking the link and downloading it straight to your hard drive is the best bet?

Klausky - both myself and Tom (the guy that 'summons' the polar bear) are fans of Lost, so it's meant to be a fairly affectionate look at the show's sillier aspects. smile

Mattio - Glad you liked it! I can't take much credit for those aspects, that's mainly down to the spot-on writing. I agree, the 'serious' style etc mixed with the silly sounds and acting etc make for very funny viewing.

Ben - Good to hear you liked it overall. Grading is very much a matter of taste, so I won't go into too much detail. I agree that some of the grading is very exaggerrated in 'Get Lost' - it's not going to work for everyone.

A bleach bypass look wouldn't have served the right tone I was going for, which was that of a tropical paradise. Given the source footage, it would have made it look more like a war zone. I'll be putting up a before/after movie soon so you can see the original.

The occasionally obvious gradients are unfortunate, I agree, but that's mainly due to an extremely tight schedule. I only had a week and a half to do all the grading, effects, titles and a little bit of additional sound/video editing. Given that the last couple of weeks have been some of the busiest here at FXhome due to the Paris show, it didn't leave me much time! That's not meant as an excuse, just a reason: given more time, things like the occasional wobbly gradient and loose masking on the smoke monster would have been fixed.

The hatch door flying down was actually real, but the smoke trailing behind it was CG.

Thanks again for all the comments people, keep 'em coming! I hope to do an in-depth video tutorial on some of the grading and visual effects techniques used in 'Get Lost' as soon as I get a moment.
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 8:05am

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Heh, really nice. I can't really find anything to complain about, it captures the Lost feeling perfectly, and still in a silly way. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 9:07am

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Oh, I actually got a small Muffy & Jebediah flashback watching this.

This short was fun, eventhough it's not all my humour, some stuff got me laughing. Acting was good, atleast by the men. I prefered this over Coalition of the Ring in every aspect.
The grading was spot on at some places and too much at others. As you said it's a matter of taste. The only thing that I really didn't like was the flashbacks. The transition between exagerrated grading too almost none became almost too much, the flashbacks really looked like DV then.

Other then that, it was good watching and worth the time.
Good work guys and Tarn. smile
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 11:22am

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I think the reason I probably enjoyed this as much as I did was because I'm a big fan of Lost, and the timing is pefect given the current Lost Season 3 discussion going on in the general forum. I'll just say that this was brilliant parody, and even though I'm not seeing the entire festival/presentation where it's being used, I can picture it fitting in to such a program to great effect.

Of the various special effects used, I also found the black smoke monster to be the best and the most sad at the same time. Mostly because yours was certainly equal to what they used on the show. confused

I had no problem at all with the grading on the island footage, but like Andreas, I found a couple of the cuts to flashbacks with such different grading to be a bit jarring. (The biggest was the cut to the scene in the flat with the bombmaking instructions.)

Speaking of which, in terms of props, holding up the book titled "How to make bombs and stuff" was simply brilliant. Another high point was the hatch landing. All of it was a well deserved, sharp poke in the ribs to Lost season 2 and I laughed out loud at a number of spots.

I also thought the acting was very good for the most part.

The night shots where the guys were hold the torches seemed to be a bit on the weak side for lighting and film information... kind of bleached out, but that didn't really take much away from the film.

I hovered between a four and a five, but finally gave it a five. Very funny, very well made, and I really enjoyed it. Nice job!
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 1:00pm

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Glad to hear your understood what I was saying about the gradients, Tarn. Like Jazzmanian, I really did hover between a four and a five, as did Atom when he walked into the room and saw me watching this.

Tarn wrote:

A bleach bypass look wouldn't have served the right tone I was going for, which was that of a tropical paradise. Given the source footage, it would have made it look more like a war zone. I'll be putting up a before/after movie soon so you can see the original.
Perhaps we're thinking of using bleach bypass in different ways. What I was suggesting was to use a VERY SMALL amount of it to bring out the texture and lightness on the subjects faces, that way you can add contrast a little without sacrificing detail (a reason Sollthar has used to supplement his lower contrast argument, haha), then you're open to just add a color tone. So basically you define the blacks and white with a certain subtlety, then get whatever motif ytou want with the color. 'Lost', though having sort of mysterious, dreamy themes, doesn't often tout such a hefty 'dreamy' cinematographic appearance; though you do often see the whites in it a little overexposed in post. I was thinking the bleach bypass could do that, especially seeing how awesome VLab's b-bypass is compared to the ones in Premiere or Vegas. You'll notice in my sig pic, the it does look a little glowy, but al I did was add bleach bypass, up the color curves and contrast, and enhance the luminosity.
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 2:17pm

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For those that may be interested, there's now a before/after comparison video available that shows the ungraded and graded footage, as well as the original shots with visual effects.

I'll be working on a video tutorial at some point in the future that takes a closer look at some of the techniques, but if anybody has any specific questions, feel free to ask.

Andreas - Thanks for the comments! Good to see that the video is enjoyable even if you don't necessarily share the same sense of humour. smile

For the flashbacks, I wanted them to contrast heavily with the stuff on the 'island'. The pub flashback, for example, was designed to have a dirty, gritty, Ken Loach, very British kind of feel, with the bleach bypass appearance. The sofa flashback was intended to be warm, clear and comfortable, so I went for clear, strong colours but without it being over-the-top or dreamlike. Contrasting them with the island stuff does indeed make them look very normal, but that was partially the intention - though not so much to make them look 'like DV'.

Jazzmanian - The timing of Lost s3 is rather fortuitous. smile Good to hear you liked the smoke monster - it was rather tricky to pull off in such a short time, due to the intensive masking required around Will's head. It's not perfect, but it just about works.

One question when we were making it was how good to make the smoke look - everyone agrees that the smoke monster in Lost is an astoundingly terrible special effect, so we wanted to make sure we captured some of its simple wobbliness! razz

Ben - Thanks for the additional info, I might have to give that a go and see how it turns out.
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 3:34pm

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Great work, loved the grading, thought the comedy was brilliant. Good stuff! smile
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 3:39pm

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I must say, I didn't really quite understand a great part of this piece, probably because I've never seen Lost. There were definitely those high points, though, that anyone would find amusing ("how to make bombs and stuff"). Sound design was also a good plus. However, I disliked the overly glowing over-saturated feel of many of the scenes. The problem was that I watched it and said "that's been graded too much" and didn't say "that looks cool." I believe that the grading shouldn't distract from the movie, and once it does, then you've detracted from the movie's power (not to mention "watchability").
Now, perhaps the glow does not detract from sharpness on your full res DV version, but a version compressed with the h.264 compressor most definitely loses tons of definition at the edges. The "coalition of the ring" also suffered from the same over-saturated look. The problem is that you are not starting out with enough color definition, so over-saturation looks extremely fake. As such, the scenes here with (in my opinion) the best grading, are the forest scenes, because they do not try to grade very far from their starting color (which was much more vibrant and saturated to start out with than other scenes). I also found it somewhat odd in the beach scenes where a gradient caused half of the actors' faces or heads to be a different color.

My final suggestion is:
Grade to what you think looks good in terms of glow and saturation, then cut back on the saturation and halve the glow.

EDIT: I do not use your products for grading/glow, so forgive me for speaking in general terms rather than specifics about your effects.

Henry
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 4:19pm

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rypcat wrote:

I believe that the grading shouldn't distract from the movie, and once it does, then you've detracted from the movie's power (not to mention "watchability").
I thoroughly agree with you there. Whether the grading detracts or enhances Get Lost would seem to be a matter of opinion, with some people clearly loving it while others finding it irksome. As they say, you can't please everyone. smile

What I'd love to have been able to do was somehow poll the audience members that saw it in the theatre. In that environment, they wouldn't have been thinking about the techniques in the video - they'd have been there for a fun, comedy night out.

That kind of neutral opinion is something I'd really value, but of course it's not easy to find. Here, of course, everybody is technologically very aware, and focuses on different issues.

The "coalition of the ring" also suffered from the same over-saturated look. The problem is that you are not starting out with enough color definition, so over-saturation looks extremely fake.
With regards to Coalition of the Ring, you're absolutely spot on. The difficulties with that piece was the low quality of the original footage, which meant an enormous amount of work had to be done to get it to look even vaguely 'fantasy-esque'. Getting vibrancy from footage that was often nearly black and white wasn't easy. razz

Get Lost benefited not only from better cameras but from much better cinematography generally. However, it still had a zero budget that didn't really allow for decent lighting and, as you can see from the comparison video, the beach scenes were shot on quite an overcast day. This resulted in the grading being more 'obvious' than in the forest sequences which, as you point out, are richer to begin with.

Personally, however, I actually rather like the style of beach sequences. It creates a dreamy tone that I think works well in context. If I'd had more time, I may indeed have reduced it slightly, but I think most of it would have been retained. A matter of taste, and I see your point, but to me I actually quite like its artificial appearance - in this case, that is.

I also found it somewhat odd in the beach scenes where a gradient caused half of the actors' faces or heads to be a different color.
That was partly down to time constraints - given longer I would have isolated the faces so that they were not affected so strongly by the gradients. However, I still quite like the general texturing it gives the faces most of the time, even though it is rather unusual.

My final suggestion is:
Grade to what you think looks good in terms of glow and saturation, then cut back on the saturation and halve the glow.
I have been known to be rather addicted to glow. It's a bit like Ben is utterly addicted to mega contrast. smile

EDIT: I do not use your products for grading/glow, so forgive me for speaking in general terms rather than specifics about your effects.
Not a problem. What we're discussing here is more to do with technique and personal preference rather than any specific software use. The ideas and tips being offered are applicable to the use of any video software.
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 4:39pm

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Tarn wrote:

rypcat wrote:

I believe that the grading shouldn't distract from the movie, and once it does, then you've detracted from the movie's power (not to mention "watchability").
I thoroughly agree with you there. Whether the grading detracts or enhances Get Lost would seem to be a matter of opinion, with some people clearly loving it while others finding it irksome. As they say, you can't please everyone. smile
I'm glad you agree, but I think you may have missed part of my point. The fact some people like and some dislike the grading is moot–the problem is that–even if they love it–the audience is being distracted by the grading.

Tarn wrote:


I also found it somewhat odd in the beach scenes where a gradient caused half of the actors' faces or heads to be a different color.
That was partly down to time constraints - given longer I would have isolated the faces so that they were not affected so strongly by the gradients. However, I still quite like the general texturing it gives the faces most of the time, even though it is rather unusual.
I totally understand. I've often been too rushed to finish and wished I could have had more time to spruce up various mattes and effects. I did like some of the gradients, just not all.


I have been known to be rather addicted to glow. It's a bit like Ben is utterly addicted to mega contrast. smile
Ha, I've noticed both smile. I really see glow's greatest benefit to DV in the realm of filling in missing color data due to the 4:1:1 ratio before authoring to DVD. I usually achieve a glow by gaussian blurring (no more than a 4-5 pixel radius) a duplicate of the comp and setting blend mode to lighten (or darken, depending on the desired effect). I tweak layer opacity and blur radius from there. So, I don't do the whole 20-30 pixel glow thing you have going on in this movie. But, to each his own (though I still think you should cut down on the glow wink)

Henry
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rypcat wrote:

Tarn wrote:

rypcat wrote:

I believe that the grading shouldn't distract from the movie, and once it does, then you've detracted from the movie's power (not to mention "watchability").
I thoroughly agree with you there. Whether the grading detracts or enhances Get Lost would seem to be a matter of opinion, with some people clearly loving it while others finding it irksome. As they say, you can't please everyone. smile
I'm glad you agree, but I think you may have missed part of my point. The fact some people like and some dislike the grading is moot–the problem is that–even if they love it–the audience is being distracted by the grading.
Absolutely, but my point was that people at FXhome.com are always going to notice things like that, as that's the primary focus of the site. Also given that my sole involvement with Get Lost was the grading and effects, it puts those elements even more under scrutiny.

To a casual viewer, however, away from FXhome.com - such as the audience in the theatre last Saturday - I doubt very many of them noticed the grading at all. They might have thought "cool visuals", but I doubt they'd have considered the specifics, as they'd have been too busy simply enjoying the comedy (well, hopefully anyway!).
Posted: Tue, 12th Sep 2006, 9:59pm

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Tarn, any chance you could put up some ungraded video/stills, as you mentioned doing a few posts back? I'd love to have a go at grading this thing.

Oh, and you're right about the grading and how the general audience reacts to it. We overdid the contrast in the robbery scene of Cover's Story to a point where even I didn't like it, but when it was shown in theatres compared to the other video race entries, the audience was asking "did this group shoot on film? is that why their video looks so much more professional?". I seriously laughed out loud when I heard that.

As for the movie again (sorry, I've post twice already, don't want to muck the thread up), but after rewatching it definitely has very strong sound and is ultimately really great. I may have to make room a spot in my top ten.
Posted: Wed, 13th Sep 2006, 8:33am

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ben3308 wrote:

Tarn, any chance you could put up some ungraded video/stills, as you mentioned doing a few posts back? I'd love to have a go at grading this thing.
There's a before/after comparison video available on the main page now that includes the full movie ungraded and without effects.

Oh, and you're right about the grading and how the general audience reacts to it. We overdid the contrast in the robbery scene of Cover's Story to a point where even I didn't like it, but when it was shown in theatres compared to the other video race entries, the audience was asking "did this group shoot on film? is that why their video looks so much more professional?". I seriously laughed out loud when I heard that.
That's interesting, as presumably that audience was fairly 'film aware', or at least were aware of the process given the context of the screening (unlike Get Lost's theatre audience, who had primarily gone to see a comedy stage play).

It's not an excuse for being lazy with grading, of course. But it still needs to be taken into consideration - I tend to notice technical aspects of a film no matter how good/bad/subtle/OTT they are, just because those are areas I'm interested in and have studied.

While rypcat is absolutely right that every aspect of a film should seamlessly form the 'whole' without drawing attention to itself, there's always going to be an area of the audience that is specifically looking out for that kind of stuff. If the general audience starts noticing things like too much grading, then you know you've made a mistake. If it's film literate people, though, then I'm not so sure.

It's an interesting debate. smile
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I work the night shift and lack the desire to record Lost so I can't say that I get this entirely. Regardless it seems to be a well planned, performed and executed farse of the afore mentioned "overly hyped American TV show"

I too found myself feeling as through Muffy or Jebidiah would show up and kill some space monkeys wink

My favorite part of this movie was seeing the raw footage juxtaposed with the VisonLab-E-Ness you applied to it. Over all I think the grading worked. The red faces just made it look as though they were sun burned twisted
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as a huge fan of Lost I found this extremely offensive, but I thought it was effing brilliant as well smile
Posted: Thu, 14th Sep 2006, 5:21pm

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That was really funny guys. And very well done, both overall and in presentation/jokes. I'm just not sure I get the ending. Maybe I'm not supposed to, or maybe there's another episode coming? In the description it seems this is supposed to be a video to setup or introduce the Coalition (?), but in the context of the film, I just didn't quite know what to think. Quite brilliant though if you ask me. I laughed quite a bit.
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Great short! I liked the parody of Lost, and thought your actors did a great job. Loved the guy holding the "Wanker" sign! That had me going.

Speaking of parodies, I thought of one for House only for auto mechanics.

Dr. House could have a few mechanics working under him and he's trying to diagnose the car...

"The timing belt is off... the tailpipe's chrome is scratched, and the oil has metal shavings in them. What does that tell us?"

"Every driver lies!"

"You took your wife's car, went over the speed limit, climbed over the curb as you came to your destination so you could meet your secretary at a Motel 6!"
Posted: Thu, 14th Sep 2006, 6:21pm

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Thanks again for all the comments, guys! I'll make sure the AoE team see everything that's been written.

thefiddler wrote:

I'm just not sure I get the ending. Maybe I'm not supposed to, or maybe there's another episode coming?
The lady that steps out of the hatch is a local BBC news reporter, so there would have been a lot of recognition if you'd been a member of the audience at the theatre. The "Jenny who!?" final line was referring to her.

The 'next episode' bit was a mock-up - there isn't actually a 'next' episode, it was just poking a bit of fun at the usual 'over hyped shows' that have such exciteable trailers.

In the description it seems this is supposed to be a video to setup or introduce the Coalition (?)
'The Coalition' is the name of the play itself, referring to the three lead characters. This video came at the end of 'part one' of the show, just before the interval - hence the little "we have to get back to the Playhouse for the second half!" gag.

You can read more about The Coalition at the AoE website: http://www.axisofevilproductions.com/

On another note, I'm hoping to get an in-depth tutorial up in the next few days that covers the post-production of 'Get Lost'.
Posted: Thu, 14th Sep 2006, 10:11pm

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Tarn I cant tell you how hard I am laughing right now biggrin. This is a great film me and my family enjoyed it. I like the locations that you filmed at and the color grading was fantastic. You also did a good job on making the black smoke that was some great particle work. Really everything in this film was perfect. Great job and I give this a 5/5 and adding this to my top 10 biggrin.
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Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! non stop laughing especiall if your a lost watcher. Great Job
Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2006, 4:36am

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ROFL. WOW. This'll go in my top 10. I love Lost, but this was brilliant. The glowy highlights were a bit distracting and the early grading was different I guess. But the writing was genius. It could've been better, some of the plot device jokes were repetitive, but it was great. 5'd and #9'd.
Posted: Fri, 15th Sep 2006, 10:56am

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perfect timing for me, as i've just been rewatching Season 2 after a while of not watching Lost...

Loved it! Especially the opening shot that starts on his eye...too bad you couldn't do the pupil dialation thingy that the first ep. did...

as for the grading, found it destracting...but the rest of the movie made up for that!

Clinto
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Absolutely brilliant.....great scriptwork and acting was excellent.....a pleasure to watch..a really entertaining movie.

O'l Dav

give it 5
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theres only one thing that i can say about this.... 5/5 biggrin
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haha that was excellent! i loved it! i was laughing the entire time! very well thought up. i give it a 5/5
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I love Lost..... I love your short too. Everything about it was right, and the fact that you did it on a small budget makes me really surprised. It doesn't show at all. Your live audience was probably thinking that you guys were working under some professional studio. 5/5
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your yellow film glow effect was a grate touch. gave it a real flim like continuity. did you film on HDV? the image's are very vivid.
"grate work guys " your flash back concept was'nt bad ither
Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2006, 9:34am

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Rating: +1

man i love this film it's great and i also found some funny parts
Here they are

this one dosen't have much lookalike but he still looks a bit like ben affleck



This one looks a lot like lee evans



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Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2006, 6:08pm

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Absolutly BRILIANT!
a 5* production!

We want the sequel! smile
Posted: Sun, 17th Sep 2006, 10:16pm

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lol...I love lost, but this was awesome too. You got so much spot on. The bit with the big black cloud monster thing was exactly like the series. Very good. Well done/
Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2006, 5:07am

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It's really nice to come back from Holiday and find a really brilliant and practical use of the fxhome software performed by a true master of the applications here at fxhome.

I can't praise the grading enough, the improvements being painfully obvious in the comparison shots. Really nice work Tarn, I'm very impressed.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2006, 9:54am

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Thanks for all the kind comments guys! Great to see that people are really enjoying this one, especially given that it's out of context of the main show.

Aguayo - EDIT: I was just informed by the producer that they used a Canon XL2, which I believe is standard miniDV (albeit a good one).

There is now a full video tutorial examining the making of the movie. You can check it out in the FXhome.com support section here: http://fxhome.com/support/vidtutes/?t=14&f=%2Bcat%3A3&cat=3
Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2006, 1:31pm

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Rating: +1

Personally I didn't find this very funny overall and thought a few opportunities were maybe missed while hanging on to a similar plot device joke all the way through. (Jon Locke bald guy in a wheelchair and Little Britain springs to mind as one idea that might have been used) but thats a personal taste thing and the script scanned ok just wasn't to my taste. So I rated this simply based on how it came across to me as an excercise in film making and it comes
across damn well.

Nicely shot, nothing overly clever or over the top. Bit of a problem with the gradient on the beach scene and the handheld camera causing the horizon to move revealing the colour grading on the screen but everything in low low budget filmmaking is a compromise of time and cost. I did however like how this film felt if that makes sense. The acting was just the right amount of over the top for a parody and while I didn't laugh much I can see why others would.

I've given it a four star rating. I dont give out 5 stars easily and this is no exception but this is very much one of the best looking films on here no doubt. I hope when I decide I have an idea good enough to actually make it will be even half as good at least in the look and feel department.
Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2006, 6:19pm

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Tarn wrote:

....I was just informed by the producer that they used a Canon XL2
Ouch! Either it's the compression or they must not have set the camera right at all, because this doesn't look up to XL2 quality at all.
Posted: Mon, 18th Sep 2006, 7:43pm

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ben3308 wrote:

Tarn wrote:

....I was just informed by the producer that they used a Canon XL2
Ouch! Either it's the compression or they must not have set the camera right at all, because this doesn't look up to XL2 quality at all.
The actual footage and the full quality version of the finished piece looks fantastic; the Quicktime and divx versions lose an awful lot of quality, unfortunately.

For example, the 'pub flashback' scene barely looks different in the online before/after comparison. In the full quality stuff, though, there's a massive change.

When I first saw the raw footage I was really rather impressed with its clarity - there's a level of detail that is really quite superb, given the complete lack of actual lighting.

Apparently a few scenes were indeed done on a basic handycam, though, as they only had access to the XL2 for about 24 hours.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Oct 2006, 4:41pm

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Hello All,

Thankyou all for your comments and criticisms. Here are a few details about the piece.

Just to explain to those who didn't pick the explanation about this film over the thread, the piece was created for the interval of an on stage, theatre comedy show called The Coalition, which went up for one night at the Playhouse Theatre in Norwich (En-ger-land) on Sept 9th. That show was part of a series that has run for nearly 2 years in Norwich.
Many of the jokes refer directly to it being shown just before the interval of the show and many are regional/local references (eg. using a lovley BBC Local News presenter who's seen the show before and inexplicably said yes to being in the film - thankyou again Jenny!) that you won't get unless you live in Norwich or the East Of England (I think that a smarty pants would call this our 'target audience'.)

In total the film cost about £100, roughly £30 for pyrotechnics, £50 for materials to build our hatch out of and the rest for miniDV tapes and such. Bascially this film came out of the ar$e end of my overdraft.

We used 2 Cannon XL2 cameras and a few lights borrowed from a mate's uni, as he was making a short film at the time.

All locations we use were either public or free and with permission of the owners, eg: the pub interior and mine and Andy's living room.

Most imprtantly though, this film was made specifically for that audience on that night, cos thy're the ones who paid the ticket money. It was created for a live show, not for posterity as one might do when creating a 'proper' short film, which is probably useful to bear in mind when watching.

The concept of the piece was that the characters from the stage show are inadvertently trapped within an episode of Lost and have to escape. As Tarn mentioned, we are both huge fans of the series. What I was aiming for was a parody that was true to the show with dramatic cliffhangers, excitment, crazy camerawork and special effects, but at the same time aknowledging all the things that non-lost lovers constantly moan at as soon as it is even mentioned. I wanted there to be something in it for lovers and haters alike.

How far we succeded in that is of course open to individual opinion. Mainly we are attempting to constantly push the boundaries of what can be done on film with virtually no money. We at the Axis of Evil feel we have improved our production values considerably with this piece and hope to continue to do so in the future.

Huge thanks to Tarn at FXhome for bringing this one home in the final hours of post-production, and to all who helped with Get Lost, as we simply could not achieve anything close to this level of work without talented friends devoting their time and energy to the rather daft ideas we come up with.

Thankyou again for looking at this peice and I am very pleased that so many of you enjoyed it.

Tom
Axis of Evil Productions
www.axisofevilproductions.com
Posted: Fri, 20th Oct 2006, 12:31am

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That...was...so hilarious! I hope you get great ratings galore on this one!
Posted: Sat, 18th Nov 2006, 5:31pm

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All I have to say is FRIGGIN" AWESOME!!!
Posted: Mon, 27th Nov 2006, 8:30pm

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AWSOME..... Will it be continuet?
Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006, 8:59pm

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Got a chance to sit down and watch this movie and I extremely glad i did. The play on 'Lost' and general films alike was stunningly hilarous, following the charactors through their plot of getting lost was just an absolute blast.

No real criticisms on the techincal side, it all looked solid, im sure after a bunch of watch throughs ill find nit picky things here and there, but what matters is the overal movie, and that was spot on hilariously perfect, 5/5 from me!
Posted: Mon, 4th Dec 2006, 10:25pm

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Great to see people still enjoying this one! Thanks to everyone for the comments, they are much appreciated.

I don't believe there are any plans for a follow-up to this specific video clip (though I'm sure there will be future episodes of The Coalition), although you never know with those crazy Axis of Evil boys...
Posted: Tue, 5th Dec 2006, 10:16am

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mattio wrote:

Watching... looks very good so far, very funny and great acting razz... review to come..
same here
Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 10:52pm

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i've watched the case study of this movie in the support area, but i only have Windows Media Player, so i can't watch it. this movie looks so cool! sad
Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 10:54pm

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There's a divx version of the movie that will work in Windows Movie Maker without any problems. All you need to do is download the completely free divx codec from here:

http://www.divx.com

Let me know if you have any problems! If you do get it to work, I hope you enjoy it. wink
Posted: Tue, 26th Dec 2006, 1:23am

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This is just amazing, LOL it was funny. razz
Posted: Tue, 20th Feb 2007, 1:27pm

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I found this one very funny. Who just put your finger on some of the aspect of the serie LOST. Good job.

And the before and afther is amazing.

Shadu
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 2:01pm

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Hey Tarn! Do you mind if we copy your movie idea for my homework? It's really cool and really funny! =D See ya! Please reply or I might think you said no.. =(
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 2:16pm

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It's not my movie, so you'll have to contact the guys at Axis of Evil Productions for permission like that.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with you doing your own Lost spoof/parody. To copy Get Lost directly however, would seem a bit strange to me - especially for a homework assignment, in which you're presumably meant to think for yourself. smile

I imagine they'll say no to copying the Get Lost idea itself, but feel free to make your own original parody - that's nothing to do with AoE or me.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 5:57am

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Uh yeah.. Maybe I can atleast use the idea..? Uhh Thanks anyway, if I can't wink bye!!
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 12:36pm

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that was very random but very funny good work
Posted: Sat, 7th Apr 2007, 10:51am

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That is a funny movie " What was that?" " I don't know some cgi effect." LOL (Laugh Out Loud)
Posted: Tue, 29th May 2007, 7:00pm

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NICE!!!

How do you do the "GET LOST" font... (i dont know)

Thanks
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The titling was done using basic 3D animation. It was just a matter of creating the text, then animating it to come closer to the camera. The depth of field was then added in VisionLab (though I wish I'd done a better job with that......).

I used Blender for the 3D, because it's free and the only program I could afford on Get Lost's budget (ie, nothing), and I'd had prior experience at using it.
Posted: Tue, 29th May 2007, 10:58pm

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Tarn wrote:

The titling was done using basic 3D animation. It was just a matter of creating the text, then animating it to come closer to the camera. The depth of field was then added in VisionLab (though I wish I'd done a better job with that......).

I used Blender for the 3D, because it's free and the only program I could afford on Get Lost's budget (ie, nothing), and I'd had prior experience at using it.
Oo. can you send me a tutorial?
Posted: Wed, 30th May 2007, 7:48am

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If you do a google search for Blender tutorials you'll find lots of stuff that covers the basics.
Posted: Fri, 1st Jun 2007, 7:24am

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I cant find any Lost Blender Tuts. I am a noob. can you send me one? Big THX
Posted: Fri, 27th Jul 2007, 8:36am

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I really enjoyed this short. The acting was believable and everything had a professional look to it. I loved watching it and found it to be never boring. The Video Tutorials based on this were very inspiring.

Keep it up guys.
Posted: Sat, 22nd Sep 2007, 3:27pm

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That's a really great movie. It wasn't boring, it was funny and it had a very professional look to it. And the acting was also good too. Nice job, keep up the good work.
Posted: Tue, 25th Sep 2007, 6:18pm

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The way he says "Loossst" at the beginning makes me laugh every time, good job clap
Posted: Mon, 1st Oct 2007, 12:32am

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I really liked this movie, I think its one of the best on FXhome. But one thing I noticed was that the grading on the beach was a little too exagerted. I don't know if you were going for a dreamlike feel, but It Just doesn't look real to me. The other special effects were top notch though, especialy that smoke monster.
Posted: Sun, 7th Oct 2007, 1:26am

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It was fun. The grading was surprisingly well done. The acting was good. But the only complaint I have is that the part when you make it look like night didn't really work for me. It didn't look like nothing like night. But that's it. good job.
Posted: Fri, 8th Feb 2008, 12:42am

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wow as a filmmaker and a lost fan i say BRAVO...I wish to be as good as you one day!
Posted: Sat, 26th Apr 2008, 6:58am

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Awesome!
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HI, the only thing i would say is that when the fog is around the actros drifting at the bottom of the screen, as the camera moves up, so does the fog! biggrin hope to be of help!
Posted: Sun, 27th Jul 2008, 5:23am

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Even though I thought it was hilarious, I would have enjoyed even more if it didn't have so much language and and other inappropriate references. sad
Posted: Mon, 17th Nov 2008, 3:28am

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5 stars! I loved the teddy "polar" bear. The only little flaws I caught were when the smoke was filling the ground where the actors were. You can obviously see that the smoke is rising as the camera rises. One other thing is that the masking between the actor and the smoke monster was a little bit jagged. You can see that the mask is changing and moving as the camera circles around. I was also wondering if the big explosion was stock footage or "home made". Otherwise, this movie was spot-on and hilarious! *****
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Rating: -2

Why is evryone complaining about this film. It's been two years already. Stop whining about grading and the fog and all this: put up YOUR stuff and shut it! I mean really, let's see what YOU got. Anywhoo, I thought EVERYTHING was perfect. It was parody NOT perfection. get a clue peeps!
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a fatasitc comedy, just how they should be!!!
Posted: Mon, 16th Mar 2009, 12:28am

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hahahahah yo yor movie fucking roxxxx you should make a part 2
Posted: Mon, 16th Mar 2009, 1:38am

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PJChatman wrote:

Why is evryone complaining about this film. It's been two years already. Stop whining about grading and the fog and all this: put up YOUR stuff and shut it! I mean really, let's see what YOU got. Anywhoo, I thought EVERYTHING was perfect. It was parody NOT perfection. get a clue peeps!
No one is complaining... people are doing what everyone on this site does. They see where improvements can be made and are trying to be helpful by pointing out what they saw and their opinions, that's all. For the most part I think almost everyone liked this movie, I know I did but I still noticed some things that could have been done, not so much better but maybe in a different way but I still think this movie was awesome. The guys did an amazing job on this project. biggrin
I too hope to see a part 2, maybe even e series? Hmmm?
Posted: Mon, 16th Mar 2009, 7:36am

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This is part if a series, spydurhank.

Look at Tarn's other videos- they're annual parodies, kind of. Coalition of the Ring, Get Lost, and Coalition of Heroes- all terrific and ever-improving spoofs.

Here I'd say PJChatman has some legitimacy to what he's saying- people have already commented and critiqued this for years, and the filmmakers have since used this advice and improved on newer projects that are on here as well. I may not agree with his attitude, but PJ's right to some extent.
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The guys actually did a new one late last year called 'The Tominator', which was quite amusing. Due to schedules I wasn't able to be involved, alas. Not sure what they've got planned next, but hopefully I'll be able to get on board again!
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Atom wrote:

This is part if a series, spydurhank.

Look at Tarn's other videos- they're annual parodies, kind of. Coalition of the Ring, Get Lost, and Coalition of Heroes- all terrific and ever-improving spoofs.

Here I'd say PJChatman has some legitimacy to what he's saying- people have already commented and critiqued this for years, and the filmmakers have since used this advice and improved on newer projects that are on here as well. I may not agree with his attitude, but PJ's right to some extent.
You're right Atom,
I just figured that it was "new" members that saw the movie and comented on it for the first time. As for people talking about this movie years later after it was made... I think that's a good thing, a great thing even. People haven't forgoten about it and still watch it. Kinda like that "art of the saber" flick. To some more experianced members the movie is now "Meh" but to a new member they're probably thinking "Holy crap" That being said this movie must have left a good impression on people.
I didn't go back and read every single post on this thread so I'm not sure why he thought that people were complaining.
I now understand why he might have been frustrated after everyone making comment after comment all these years but there were more good than bad comments, at least from what I read. He seemed to focus on the negative rather than the positive.
I dunno, I still think people were trying to be helpful.
Say I spot something odd or a little off in a movie... chances are the only reason I noticed something wrong was because of what I've learned from everyone on this site. I'm kinda proud of that.

We should have a learning type game.
Someone shoots a clip and adds effects, posts it and everyone else tries to look for flaws. Not to put the person down but rather to help them learn and get better. What do you guys think?
The winner gets to breathe for one more day. Just kidding.
Posted: Mon, 16th Mar 2009, 9:06pm

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Sweet effects it seemed like I was really watching Lost!!!!!!! TOTALLY RADICLALL MON (cool movie)
Posted: Sun, 22nd Mar 2009, 8:48pm

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That was so good.

You guys are amazing.

So funny, great effects.

God your great.
Posted: Thu, 26th Mar 2009, 2:02am

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Extremely funny.
Posted: Wed, 23rd Dec 2009, 8:49am

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Very good, one of the best films on this site
Posted: Wed, 23rd Dec 2009, 9:45am

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Thanks!