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Panzer Corps Test 1

Posted: Wed, 20th Sep 2006, 9:17am

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Posted: Wed, 20th Sep 2006, 3:40pm

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Good job! It looks sweet! The sound was pretty amazing. I felt like I was pulled in by the sound alone. The one thing that would have sold me evenmore though, was if the gun had actually seemed to jump in your hands. A rifle of that size has a kick from the opposite pressure of the bullet being forced out of the end of the barrel. Next time try shaking it a little, especially back into your shoulder like it's kicking you, this would make it even more effective.
Posted: Wed, 20th Sep 2006, 5:18pm

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Very good call, I need to super remember that during shooting! Thank you for your feedback!!!

Thinking of that i might make a "training" film for the actors with footage from a shooting range so they can see the impact of the recoil. Heck i should take them out and record it so they could see themselves. It might also help me with shell casings physics?!
Posted: Wed, 20th Sep 2006, 5:50pm

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GREAT test! I actually downloaded the effects test first before watching the original footage. I had no idea I was watching someone in their living room. The B&W made it look more convincing. GREAT effects with the muzzleflash, bullet shells (the second clip does look like the shells should be faster) and tracers. The sound effects (particularly the bullets whizzing and hitting the wall behind you) were timed well.

I agree that you could benefit from a recoil like action in firing the gun, but sometimes for me, shaking it up and down makes it look weaker. The way your girlfriend made the shot a little shaky (whether intentional or not) made the lack of recoil more forgiving.
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 5:40am

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Hey it looks good but I have a question for you. The first impression from the pics of the Fallshrimjager carrying the mg42 I thought you were making a WWII movie. But in the test clip, the soldier is wearing a West German cold war BDU and hes holding a H&K G3. What era is your movie going to take place in? Other than that I think you did a good job, and the camera was great! It really looks like the type of footage reporters get from the front lines. Tell your girlfriend good job!
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 1:26pm

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Thank you Garrison!!! I tried to also layer my sound, i read some where to have three layers for one effect. As far as the shakiness i tried fitting the effects around that to give the camera a purpose to being all over the place. I think it works.

Dancamfx you get a gold star!!! Panzer Corps is actually not going to be about World War II butt after it..... if Germany hadn't lost. ~dramatic music cue~ It is about about a cold war against Germany and Russia in the 1960-ish in that TOTALLY different world. Should be scary and interesting. You let the cat out of the bag Dancamfx!

One of the main reasons for doing this story and not a historical piece is the money issue. WWII replicas are expensive if your trying to outfit a dozen people especially if your paying for everything personally. So i'm taking this route instead.

Does anyone know about mixing in DTS and what software encodes that and cost???
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 1:37pm

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WWII replicas are expensive
They most certainly are. smile

I love the look of this, although I was expecting something similar to Panzer Cops. It does look pretty cool. I think with the right locations you could really create something very special. The only thing i thought looked off was the muzzle smoke drifting away from the gun, smoke from a gun barrel has alot more transparency than that. My project also has Fallschirmjager's in it, and they just look cool. I really look forward to any more information about this project and how it develops. Please keep us posted smile

P.S pics look awesome too wink
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 5:45pm

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Thank you ashman!!! The smoke was giving me the hardest time, I'll defiantly knock down the opacity of the smoke; right now it looks like an oil fire instead of gun smoke!

I've been keeping a close eye on your project, Its looking fantastic!!! In the same idea of your "Preview" movie I have uploaded two more movies with a color correction and grain (in pending status). The one thing i have noticed from your film and historical footage is a muted pallet of mostly grays and limited whites. The next test we shoot will be outside; I plan on shooting a properly exposed image (with DV) with an IRE of 90 then underexposed to see what translates best in "aged film" with treatments. Should be interesting. smile
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 7:58pm

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My absolute favorite part of this was the sound! Great job on that, where'd you get all the sound effects?
Posted: Thu, 21st Sep 2006, 8:54pm

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Thanks Timmy!!! I bought it from sound ideas ( i asked for a student discount and got one!). Here is the link.

http://www.sound-ideas.com/guns.html

Its pretty good but i have to substitute most of the sounds. Like for the G# in this clip i used AK47 sounds, for the MG42 i used the Giat clips.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2006, 1:19am

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Yeah your right about the costs of making a WWII film, Im currently in the 3rd year of making mine. We have spent $10,000+ on uniforms, equipment, props, weapons, and items for the set. We actually bought a real MG42 from 1943. It cost us $1,000 but it was worth it. How far into production are you? Ive been to sound ideas and looked at there Soundfx and their really expensive. How much of a discount did you get from them?
Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2006, 1:24am

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Dancamfx wrote:

Yeah your right about the costs of making a WWII film, Im currently in the 3rd year of making mine. We have spent $10,000+ on uniforms, equipment, props, weapons, and items for the set. We actually bought a real MG42 from 1943. It cost us $1,000 but it was worth it. How far into production are you? Ive been to sound ideas and looked at there Soundfx and their really expensive. How much of a discount did you get from them?
Is any replica gun REALLY worth $1000?
Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2006, 5:52pm

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I was looking at a real MG42 gun kit that had been cut to legal standards. That was 600 then it would have cost a pretty penny to have it welded back up plus you would have to find a lower receiver separately.

I bought a rubber mg for $375 from this place (and it came with a non functioning Bi-pod). It has a great tutorial on "metalizeing" plastic and rubber props to look real. Its very easy and looks great!
http://www.sci-fire.com/main.htm

As far as the student discount on the sound i think they knocked of %10. If you get onto their email list they have monthly specials that is usually %25 off. But i have never seen that Gun CD pack discounted.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2006, 10:48pm

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TimmyD wrote:


Is any replica gun REALLY worth $1000?
The mg42 That I bought for $1000 is not a replica. It is a Real Mg42 used in WWII. It is dated 1943 and has small nazi eagles and swastikas on different parts of the gun. Every part of the gun moves and works as it did in 1943. I live in california so it has a fake reciever in it though, but it was worth the $1000. We also bought a rubber prop mg42 for the shots where one the germans is running with it over his shoulder because the real MG42 ways 25+ Pounds!!
Posted: Fri, 22nd Sep 2006, 10:55pm

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I realize that, but I wouldn't think having the real thing is worth the price... I don't know, it just doesn't seem like $1000 isn't worth a realistic kick and muzzle flash.
Posted: Sat, 23rd Sep 2006, 3:48am

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Great effects test, but if you dont mind me asking... why was a WWII German soldier using a HK G3?
Posted: Sat, 23rd Sep 2006, 1:44pm

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It aint WW2! wink
Posted: Sat, 23rd Sep 2006, 4:24pm

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oooo ok, feel free to slap me razz
Posted: Sun, 24th Sep 2006, 1:51am

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TimmyD wrote:

I realize that, but I wouldn't think having the real thing is worth the price... I don't know, it just doesn't seem like $1000 isn't worth a realistic kick and muzzle flash.
Well they dont make new MG42's nor do they make complete replicas so we bought the real thing. There are very few mg42's left in the condition mine is in and its jaw dropping when you see this thing! And the best part is that since I bought it, it has gone up in value $300! When we are done filming I will sell it for more than I bought it for! The problem with the rubber Mg42's is when you get a close up of them you can tell they are made from a mold. With the real one we can get all sorts of different shots: Showing them reloading, cocking it back, pulling the trigger, and thats just the begining! I dont regret buying it and I never will!
Posted: Sun, 24th Sep 2006, 10:12am

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Looks pretty good! I've got one tip though: I say you up the contrast drastically in the 'film look'-clip. It makes it a whole lot more realistic (in the sense of it being an old piece of film).
Posted: Tue, 26th Sep 2006, 5:06am

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I just wanted to tell you that your idea for this movie is Great. I had always wondered what would have happend if the war in Europe didnt end the way it did. Let me know when you finish, I would really like to see it.
Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006, 2:24pm

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Thanks guys for the feedback!!! I've been working on the script for months and months now- The plot is solid but I need to find a better writer to make sure the story is powerful enough.

The new videos (test 4) are completely different just for study sake. I think some things are better like the shell ejections but other parts still need considerable work. On test 5 (just uploaded so its pending) i added light flashes to myself; i did this very quickly in quickpaint (shake), the next step will be doing it with gradients.

Obi Wan i agree with you, in the final film I'm thinking do all the effects on the raw footage ("color corrected" for white and black values) then make the final color corrections and effects (ie. film grain) afterward. The one thing that keeps me thinking is i want effects like tracer fire to be in the white area with everything below that in tone. If i have white areas in my footage (say the lamp) then effects will disappear since there is no color offset to differentiate them only their luma value will. So all that being said i think the film will be almost all grays to allow for those moments. In the next test (shooting in the woods) that will be one of my largest tests.

If anyone is interested in crewing in the Maryland area your welcome to join the party! Minus a few positions everyone is going to be a swing lighting/props-effects person. Its going to be cold, i have pushed the shoot back to the beginning of next year (jan or feb). Shoot me an email if your interested!!!
Posted: Wed, 27th Sep 2006, 10:06pm

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I would love to help you but I live in California. I wish there were more people like you over on the west coast. Everyone over hear says what im trying to do is crazy and cant be done. Ill show them!!! I know if your as protective as I am you might not want to but If you want to send me some parts of your Screenplay I would love to give you some feedback. I know alot about that era and WWII/cold war.
Posted: Thu, 28th Sep 2006, 2:33pm

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Love the sounds of the spent casings hitting the floor! Nice!!
Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006, 3:10am

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where did you get your sound effects? very crisp! I am making a WW2 film about an aerial photography plane that gets shot down in France around the time of D-day. It is mainly an effects test, but I am going to use about 20-30 extras in it for the Germans. I will put it on FXhome once it is finished. by the way, great job on your clip.
Posted: Sun, 1st Oct 2006, 4:16am

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Goldwing Productions wrote:

where did you get your sound effects? very crisp! I am making a WW2 film about an aerial photography plane that gets shot down in France around the time of D-day. It is mainly an effects test, but I am going to use about 20-30 extras in it for the Germans. I will put it on FXhome once it is finished. by the way, great job on your clip.
How far along on your WWII film are you?
Posted: Mon, 2nd Oct 2006, 3:09am

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Ceramite wrote:

Very good call, I need to super remember that during shooting! Thank you for your feedback!!!

Thinking of that i might make a "training" film for the actors with footage from a shooting range so they can see the impact of the recoil. Heck i should take them out and record it so they could see themselves. It might also help me with shell casings physics?!
No problem. As for the range idea, that would be a great thing to do. I think we all watch too much TV and a lot of movies don't really show the recoil of guns, so we get this idea that they are easy to shoot and just go "bang". In reality a .45 semi-auto has enough of a kick that it scares most people who haven't shot guns very much.

I remember watching Tombstone for the first time and thinking "wow!" when they have the gunfight at OK Corral. Because not only were the sounds loud and in-your-face, but the guns jumped in their hands like real guns. I assume they used some kind of blank that was designed to create more pressure than normal blanks, causing them to recoil like normal guns. I don't know though... but the effect was great however they accomplished it.
Posted: Fri, 6th Oct 2006, 4:00pm

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I think you right Dancamfx, we're living a really cool time that people can make great films and not have the big money from studios!!!

I wouldn't mind sending you the script after we make some major changes since we have gotten several reviews saying they had problems understanding the story. We found we have too much back-story that we have internalized that doesn't make it to the screen. The idea now keeps the same plot but simplifies how we move from point to point. I'm glad to make these changes on paper and not have a confusing film in the "can". We have pushed the shoot back until January or February which just adds more money for props cost (ie. coats) but I don't rush it. Right now we're squaring away our locations. Too bad you not here we could use your help!

Thank you drspin98, the one consistent complement is the sound. I think we are going to do some of our own recordings to get distant gun fire sounds unless someone knows how to achieve that in an audio program.

Goldwing Productions that sounds like one heck of a test! I can't wait to see it!!!! Here is the site where we got our sound effects (ask for a student discount). And thank you!!
http://www.sound-ideas.com/guns.html

thefiddler i will definitely watch Tomestone again and pull clips for the actors at watch as well!!! The more i watch this test the more it bugs the hell out of me that i didn't do that! I think as a back up i will add the duty of checking me/actors for recoil to the continuity person.

I would like to say everyone has been a great help, all of these ideas and comments can only make the project better. I thank all of you!!!
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 7:08pm

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Wow this earned a zero star rating from one user!
What do i get if i don't turn the camera on??? Negative stars? biggrin
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 1:04am

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Thanks for the link Ceramite. I will put the film on this site when it is finished. The name and poster should be up on my site pretty soon.


www.goldwingproductions.com

Thanks again,

garrett
Posted: Thu, 19th Oct 2006, 3:53am

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Just to let DanCam know...We are still in pre-production on the WW2 film. Thanks for your interest!

www.goldwingproductions.com
Posted: Sun, 5th Nov 2006, 1:43am

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Wow great website, its a lot better than mine! Keep us up to date, I can't wait to see your movie!!!!
Posted: Wed, 20th Dec 2006, 3:06am

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guys, any ideas where to get a cheap replica thompson (commando style)?

thanks, hope you can help
Posted: Fri, 22nd Dec 2006, 12:28am

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Yo Goldwing contact rmedges2lo0 on ebay, he did have thompsons (with the ammo barrel) for sale at one point. The stuff he sells is resin, you could cut it off and add a magazine. His stuff runs in the $50-65 range and they are dang nice!

I also got six MP40s that were about real size from this guy toys4boys911 . wow, what a bad sounding name.... Check him.

to find a seller on ebay goto advanced search then copy his name under the (From specific sellers (enter sellers' user IDs)) field.

then here for some super plastic guns

http://www.cushmanpaintball.com/replicaspage.html

annnnnd you might be able to find some cheap airsoft gun from some where. If you find a good place let me know!

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here is the a link to the MP40s that i repainted

http://panzercorps.com/page3/files/page3-1001-full.html

SUPER SIMPLE
1. paint flat black
2. then spray silver on to a sock and wipe it on
you can't mess up!

hope this helps biggrin
Posted: Sun, 31st Dec 2006, 10:30pm

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wow, thanks for the great advice!!!!