, basically everything you said was either not true or a ridiculous assertion. Therefore I'm not going to justify your name-calling type tactics with a response. Its sad that after all the FXhome guys and mods do to try and keep things respectful and positive, cheap-backstabbing still seems to take place.
As for ben
, I appreciate your trying to hold the debate to an at least slightly higher level of maturity. Even if most of that attempt seems to be done after writing the majority of your post.Now before I address any of your post, I just want to clarify one thing: I never intended to create or invite a debate over which was better the DVC30 or the GL2. I hold both camera's in high regard (a much more neutral position than others around here seem to hold), & merely intended to point out that there is a very comparable alternative to the GL2 which is actually cheaper. In this spirit, I will address some of the points you made, but will not bring up a whole set of counter-points because I simply don't want an argument, & feel that the camera's in question are very comparable, therefore nothing good would come from such an argument.
You are right in saying that in some areas the DVC30 does not have the same controls as the GL2. For example, those who want multiple rings for each of the adjustments like zoom, focus, etc, the DVC30 only has one ring that can be set to control whichever feature at any given time. But to compensate it has programable buttons to allow you to quickly switch to specific settnings you choose. This actually can be used to get more precise in-shot (while filming) adjustments then doing it manually.
To say the DVC30 has no semi-automatic exposure settings is completely relative. Yes, in the purest sense that is true. However the manual/auto switch very readily accessible, & the camera keeps whatever adjustments it automatically makes, when switching back to manual.
As for the label of consumer camera. camcorderinfo is not a consumer camera website. They review all types of cameras and rate each on a very specific set of criteria, most of which apply & are only important to professionals. Both the GL2 & the DVC30 fit firmly in the pro-sumer classification.
And as I have said before, are very comparable cameras. They both are configurable enough and produce quality enough results that many professionals have, & continue to use them. They both however, also feature enough automatic controls that they can be relatively easily used by consumer type customers. However, lets face it, no mere "comsumer" is going to pay that much to shoot home videos. These are both very much targeted at semi-pro's on up. I mean seriously, does this realy look like a consumer camera to you?:
Along with this you said that "the GL2 completely blows it out of the water." Are we sure we're talking about the same camera? http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-AG-DVC30-MiniDV-Camcorder-Optical/dp/B00028SR0A
--if so, I'm not even sure how to respond to that, simply because they are extremely similar cameras built by different companies.To me the build of the camera is important
, simply because if it breaks, then I've no camera at all. If I'm paying over a thousand dollars, I want it to last & be able to go places with me.
You suggest, without really supporting, the idea that the GL2 has better ease-of-use, controls, picture settings, etc. Controls & ease of use are relative & depend on a user's own prefrences. As for picture settings, this is one area that I was surprised you didn't mention further, as it is one area where the GL2 has a real advantage.
The GL2 features a much truer implementation of 16:9 video capture, as well as has super-low framerates for time-delay type shots. While the DVC30 does not implement 16:9 as well, it still does very good. It also does not have any kind of low framerates at all. However, it consitently scored better in its ability to capture color with it's CCD's. Both mathematically, & to the eye of many professional
reviewers, it actually captures better color than the GL2.
Not sure where you got your info on the DVC30's onboard audio, but I was fairly impressed with the results on mine. However, I don't use the onboard mic (I use a Rode Videomic), and wouldn't use the onboard mic on a GL2 either, so it's kinda ridiculous to debate. Though I will point out that the DVC30 has very good monitoring and control (as well as very good automatic adjustment) for both the onboard mic, as well as external ones like my Rode.
You also said that he'd regret getting a DVC30 if he got one. This is a matter of personal prefrence & opinion. My opinion is that he wouldn't regret it, but probably rather enjoy his DVC30. Though I'm also quite sure he'd love a GL2 as well.
Your screen shots are very impressive, but as mentioned both camera's have some advantage over the other in the specifics of this area. If anyone cares to check it out, my trailer was filmed mostly with the DVC30: http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo2437.html
(all of the screen shots you see there were taken from video were filmed with the DVC30, except the two of the actual terra-cotta soldier).
As for your last assertion. There have been (and currently are) TV shows, independent films, etc. which were (and are being) filmed with the DVC30. Panasonic featured several on their website a few months back (should still be there).I want to be clear that I have high regard for the GL2. I have no intention of bashing it. But it worries me when people are so one sided that they act as if there is no viable alternative. When the truth is that there are very good alternatives. I am glad you like your GL2. However, in the end I think it is a matter of prefrence, because the two camera's are so similar. Do you want a truer implementation of 16:9? Or do you want purer image color? And there's a whole list of things like this. In the end, I decided on the DVC30 because it had the advantage in certain areas that were more important to me. For others like yourself, the GL2 seems the better fit. I guess I'm just hoping that skywalker dan and others will look at the other options, even if they go ahead with the GL2 in the end (a descision I'm sure they'll be happy with).
EDIT: ben, I hope I have been appropriately respectful and clear. I meant no disrespect to you by any of the above, and hope that this doesn't call for a fight or even heated argument.