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Selling your films on FXHOME?

Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 2:08pm

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I thought about buying er-no's film and a few others from fxhome.

Just wondering what you guys thought of if FXHOME had a film market place?

It could be a secure place to sell your films, doesn't have to be just one film on a disc, might make people put a little more effort into their films. (not saying the don't now) but they could think about extra's, out-takes making of and deleted scenes.

Also another idea as most films are fairly short in length you could be send them as a ISO file where you could burn them direct onto your own disc, or just go for the DVD version via post.

What do you think?
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 2:30pm

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I think that might be a good idea if it was executed right but I don't think the Fxhome guys would like thier website turning into a marketplace for peoples movies. Talk to them and see what they think.
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 4:54pm

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I would go for it. but I agree with Multiwagon with talking with the FXhome guys first.
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 5:37pm

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Would be a very cool idea to have a film marketplace here, e.g. watch a low quality version in the cinema and then be able to download a dvd quality version for a fee, or just download stuff like Sidey and Mecha's dvd, Project One and Recon 2020 (all of which, being dyspraxic, I never got around to ordering).

There are a few issues involved though that, at present, weighs against this idea, which I'm sure Fxhome will consider.

1) is setting up such a system worth taking time and effort, when (no disrespect) the amount of people on here with products worth paying for can be counted on one hand?

2) copyright would need to especially be enforced, with regard to music especially

3) measures would possibly need to be taken to counter piracy, such as DRM (although I'm not a fan of this!)

Still, if Fxhome could attract a wide variety of decent filmmakers to sell their films on here, it could be a good idea.

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Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 5:37pm

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Honestly. If you didn't buy Project One.

You missed out

smile twisted cool
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 6:11pm

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The idea of fxhome being used as a marketing tool isn't one I am particuarly warmed to in all honesty, I'll try to explain why.

Every DVD that's been mentioned for sale to date has been something created by a longstanding community member who chose to advertise his dvd to the community for the same reason : because around here, alot of people pretty much know each other or have exhanged advice or opinions at some point.

FXhome is alllll about the community, and I feel as though allowing people solely interested in selling their products to do so here could detract from that. Maybe I am wrong. smile

I also agree with Mellifluous's one hand statement. wink

-Hybrid.
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 6:28pm

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Occasionally strangers to the forums post topics on upcoming festivals, contests, or movies, which are rarely embraced by FXHome's members. People are invading the forums for some free marketing, which I find to be very annoying. If FXHome offers a place for people to possibly make some cash, they will take full advantage of it. Sure it could be great for dedicated members to benefit from, but I can assure you it will become saturated with alien members. Members who wont give back to the community.
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 6:36pm

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Maybe a "Market" forum section dedicated to posts regarding films for sale. That'd be cool.
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 9:42pm

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I agree, A market place would be awsome! Great Idea, I hope the FXHome Team considers it!
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 10:50pm

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I would hate to be in charge of making sure the legal end of things is on the straight and narrow. That in itself would be very complicated. How would FxHome firewall itself from content? Could they be held liable if some type of intellectual property was used without consent?

Maybe I am just thinking too hard here confused
Posted: Mon, 9th Oct 2006, 11:00pm

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If fxhome isnt into making it, I'd love to take it up on a different site. If anyone else would like to develop something with me, let me know and we can work together.

Or if you just have suggestions on legal issues too. I'd love to help out the community in this way.
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 12:36am

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While it's a good idea at heart, I really think it won't be such a great plan. Reason being is it will make it that much easier for someone to try and make money off of their movie and alot of crap stuff (no offense) will join in, pretty soon it would be flooded and you wouldn't really know if the movies are worth buying or not. I think its better for you to sell it out of your own website. On the basis of advertising for your movie your selling, it should be ok as long as its not someone constantly posting and/or someone that doesn't even own FXhome products. I think the best way for you to sell your movie would be through the cinema section, just post a link in your trailer or supercompressed version of the movie online.

-Chris
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 1:31am

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King Rhymes wrote:

If fxhome isnt into making it, I'd love to take it up on a different site. If anyone else would like to develop something with me, let me know and we can work together.

Or if you just have suggestions on legal issues too. I'd love to help out the community in this way.
If you did end up making this I have to suggest that you require the use of PayPal so payments can be mde safely.
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 9:04am

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All good and valid points.

From the above posts I can assume there is a need for a secure place to buy and sell ones films.

King Rhymes if you did go ahead, maybe the legal side of things could be handled the same way as you tube, where (if i'm right) the seller agrees to conditions and youtube (who have just been brought out by GOOGLE for 9mil.) won't get in trouble.

To be honest i'd most rather see the making of's the films, see how you guys do what you do.
I mentioned once before, how about a section on the cinema for behind the scenes of films.?
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 9:09am

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I'm not sure why you need a separate section for behind-the-scenes stuff - you can simply submit it as an additional file link, like I did with the before/after on the Get Lost page:

http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo2428.html

Some interesting ideas have been raised here, however people have also raised the clear problems/hurdles with such an endeavour.
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 12:21pm

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Just my 2 cents,

A lot of films in the cinema section here cannot be legally sold because of the use (for example) off music or soundtrackbits from other movies. You can film whoever or whatever you want but if you use a tune from the matrix or from LOTR then you cannot "sell" this.
A lot of fanfilms are tolerated because no money is involved.

And how are you going to set a price that's considered "fair" ?

To me it's about the question : what do you want more - to let as many people see your work or do you want to charge them (and make a few buck) but less people will buy and see your work....

WaveX
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 2:50pm

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While it sounds like kind of a cool concept at first blush, it really does sound like it has the potential to be a legal and logistical nightmare. Also, what is FXhome's incentive to invest the time and resources to put something like this together? Are they getting a cut of the proceeds?

The YouTube user's agreement looks good on the surface, but a paralegal friend of mind had a closely related discussion with me before and stated that doubted it would ever hold up in court. If FXhome were facilitating the sale of media products which happened to incorporate some copyright protected, royalty restricted content which nobody happened to notice before it went on sale, they could wind up liable, depending where the court heard the case.

With that said, other members have advertised their DVD products here before, so there's really nothing stopping others from doing that. Just burn your own DVDs, print your own labels, etc. and let people know how/where to order. This removes any liability danger to FXhome and still lets you get your product out there.
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 9:42pm

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Maybe if on each film's page, there can be an optinal link to another site where the film is for sale? razz
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 10:51pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

...and youtube (who have just been brought out by GOOGLE for 9mil.) won't get in trouble.
Try 1.6 Billion Dollars. wink
Posted: Tue, 10th Oct 2006, 10:57pm

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I used to own youtube. Now I'm rich. ( Ohh god I'm so poor ahhhh)
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 12:57am

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It's funny that YouTube, a company with little to no known profit point and employer of only 67 people, was sold for that much. I know if I worked there, and was entitled to some sort of equal share, I'd gladly take my 24.6 million dollars.
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 8:27am

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its quite funny that google spent so much money on youtube just to own 60% of internet video traffic.......its also pointless!!!
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 11:31am

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Google' business model is smarter than you may think. YouTube has struggled because they really never found a way to develop a steady revenue stream from that massive amount of activity and bandwidth. However, one analyst interviewed two Google reps yesterday (darned if I can find the link again right now) and they were talking about YouTube's untapped potential. One prime example is that Google has apparently already been in talks with the TV network Powers That Be about the rights to network tv shows. For example... let's say you miss the new episode of Lost this week on Wed. night and you forget to set your VCR/DVR, Tivo, etc. to tape it. On Thursday morning you fire up your browser, go to YouTube and pay 99 cents to download the entire episode with no commercials.

Micropayments are the wave of the future for credit card companies and internet based pay services.
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 1:43pm

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Not trying to get this topic off topic but...

I've been watching the Google/YouTube thingy on the CNN Ticker (and it was also on the front page of the Belgian newspaper today too) and on the CNN ticker I think it said "Universal in distributing deal talks with YouTube" or something to that effect.

Don't quote me on that, but I believe that is what it said.
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 2:51pm

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Yep, it did! wink
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 4:59pm

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The reason youtube is popular is because it is user driven content. Not tv shows for the most part. Google will put in adds in every video and on ever page, monetizing the traffic that way. I think it's a bad move because not every social site can and/or should be made into a monetizing empire. I think myspace struggles in that regaurd. There is so much bullsnaut ads that you cannot fish your way through.
Posted: Wed, 11th Oct 2006, 5:56pm

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Maybe only people that own FXhome products can put their movies up for sale in this section, this then stopping the idiots spamming the service. Good idea though I like, shame the the copyright subject is too overwhelming.
Posted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006, 12:57am

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I actually support Google's acquisition of Youtube. Don't get why so many people are pissed off about it really! unsure
Posted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006, 1:27am

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An important reason why people are pissed would probably be because Google, being a big, nice company, will probably take meassure to make sure copyrighted content doesn't get on their servers... or at least try to. What was great about YouTube was that you could get almost anything.
Posted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006, 3:11am

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Perhaps we should wait and see exactly what google do with youtube. As far as I am aware they are keeping google video and youtube as seperate entities so we can assume they will be rather different in regards to allowable content.

I may be wrong.

Regardless, Google remain one of the few large companies I genuinely like. I just can't wait to leave my googleHouse to go to the GoogleMall to buy some GoogleCream.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006, 7:03am

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But Hybrid, if I'm a content provider, such as a movie studio and Google is allowing people to download my content free of charge then what's stopping me from suing google?
Posted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006, 9:57am

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So what? They could've sued Youtube before as well... I don't see what difference it makes, especially as Google has stated that they plan to keep Youtube and their other services fairly seperate. In my opinion anyways, Google's vast resources can only make Youtube better!
Posted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006, 7:04pm

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So what? YouTube was a private company. Google is public. Big difference. Plus YouTube had no real money behind it so it wouldn't make sense to sue. Google is a tens of billion dollar company. BTW, Time Warner has already threatened lawsuits, less than a week after the acquisation. Mark Cuban was right...
Posted: Sat, 14th Oct 2006, 8:39pm

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I would have to say that a place to sell movies would be cool but i don't think fxhome would be the place to do it. I think that fxhome would be a place to preview your film and then sell it somewhere else like your own site for better qualtiy as i believe someone mentioned.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 12:28am

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er-no wrote:

Honestly. If you didn't buy Project One.

You missed out

smile twisted cool
I still haven't seen it. sad Stupid DVD players.

I have so far bought both of the major DVDs released here, er-no's and Twisted Studios'.

I think a user store would be cool. In the stock footage store, there could be a DVD section maybe? It would have to abide by copyright laws of course. Then maybe the things you are selling are in your profile.