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Posted: Sat, 14th Oct 2006, 6:13pm

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Which is better Adobe Premiere 2.0 or Vegas 7.
Posted: Sat, 14th Oct 2006, 7:51pm

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Multiwagon wrote:

Which is better Adobe Premiere 2.0 or Vegas 7.
Well, it depends on the what the user needs. I know someone who works at the local fire department, and he uses Adobe Premiere 2.0 and most of the latest plug-ins for presentations and what not. But I'm not entirely familiar with Vegas 7, unfortunately. So there is no "better" of the two.
Posted: Sat, 14th Oct 2006, 8:05pm

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Vegas 7 is pretty much the best mid range editing software available. premiere feels slow and unintuitive compared.
Posted: Sat, 14th Oct 2006, 8:21pm

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I haven't used Vegas but i personally like Premiere
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 5:00am

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I like Adobe Premiere. I have never used Vegas. Although I would like to try and use Final Cut Pro, whenever I get enough moneyz to get a Mac.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 4:28pm

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VEGAS

Though I haven't used Vegas 7 (although I'm sure it's awesome!) I own Premiere Pro 1.5 and Vegas 6.0, and Vegas is the better of the two, bar none.

The workflow, IMO, is much faster, and the implementation of grading and other effects is very quick, smooth, and powerful. The same cannot be said for Premiere.

Vegas also has better audio options, but I don't use them as much, so I can't really say more about the matter, this is just something I've heard from others.

All-in-all, I guess if you get used to Premiere's workflow, then you can use it just as well as Vegas, it just might take some time. I have a friend who went from using WMM to using Premiere, and he can't use anything else now. I personally went from WMM to Pinnacle Studio to Video Explosion (Vegas knockoff, literally) to Premiere to Vegas 6.0, and Vegas trumps them all.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 4:38pm

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Well I have Video Explosion right now and I am trying to decide which one to ask for, for christmas. I guess from what I have heard I'll go with Vegas. Thanks for the help.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 5:59pm

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Does Vegas need SSE2 support? Because most versions of Premiere do and my computer doesn't have it.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 6:05pm

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Can you add new video or audio tracks to Vegas?
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 6:11pm

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I tried Vegas 6 a while back, and never figured out where the cut tool is. Seems like there is none... which would be very odd...
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 6:17pm

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Pooky wrote:

I tried Vegas 6 a while back, and never figured out where the cut tool is. Seems like there is none... which would be very odd...
Just press "s"
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 6:50pm

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Multiwagon wrote:

Can you add new video or audio tracks to Vegas?
are you talking about vegas or vegas movie studio? you get something like 50 audio and video tracks on vegas wheras you get 4 on vegas movie studio, as far as i know you cannot add more. Can't really imagine you'd need more than 50.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 6:51pm

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ben3308 wrote:

Though I haven't used Vegas 7 (although I'm sure it's awesome!) I own Premiere Pro 1.5 and Vegas 6.0, and Vegas is the better of the two, bar none.
Premiere Pro 1.5 is a old version ive used Premiere 2.0 and Final Cut Pro and i have to say they are very similar in many ways, i found premiere really easy to use and never had any troubles with it you have to also remember that Adobe is leading the market with other products such as After Effects and Photoshop. i havnt used any of the vegas stuff so i cant really speak about them.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 8:40pm

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I am buying Vegas 7 + DVD Production Suite will this have the 50 tracks?
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 9:17pm

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vegas 7 has unlimited tracks my friend. Make sure to get it on www.academicsuperstore.com if they have it there.
Posted: Sun, 15th Oct 2006, 10:31pm

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Thats where I am getting it. I am waaaaaay too poor to get it for the normal price.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 11:12pm

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hi im new to this,
i own vegas 7.0 and adobe premiere pro 1.7, personaly, i love to use vegas for editing clips together, and the transitions+ extra sounds,
up til now ive been using prem pro for my fx, using stock footage, althogh you can edit stock footage on vegas, which im still getting used to but i perfer premiere for that. maybe that will change now i have fxlab.

aways, vegas 7.0 is great, easy to use, fast and and impressive piece of equipment that has more to it that what i can do with it (too lazy to read a handbook)

premiere pro, has all round good features, keying and stuff..i hate the transitions on it and there is NO masks! which is a major set back
Posted: Wed, 25th Oct 2006, 3:28am

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This site and forum is so priceless. I'm glad my friend told me about this. I'm new here. I wanted to get software for a new desktop that I'm getting hopefully by the end of this year. I'm leaning toward either a Sony Vaio or an HP, just for Lightscribe DVD-/+RW recorder/player.

I was reluctant to purchase this because I didn't know if the fx products would be compatible with the Sony Vegas, Adobe Premiere or Final Cut Pro editing programs.

I guess since I'm getting a PC, it might be either Adobe or Sony. Will fx be compatible for both?
Posted: Wed, 25th Oct 2006, 4:37am

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FXhomer13183 wrote:

I guess since I'm getting a PC, it might be either Adobe or Sony. Will fx be compatible for both?
The FXhome products are compatible with any other video editing programs that can import/export AVI, MOV or image streams.

So yes, the video editors made by Adobe and Sony will work just fine with the FXhome products.
Posted: Wed, 25th Oct 2006, 7:46am

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I'd say Adobe Premeire for two reasons, number one being that that's the platform I'm familiar with, and number two being that I don't feel like anyone needs to be giving Sony any more money. But hey, if they make a good product with Vegas, perhaps they should be rewarded with our capital.

My anti-Sony bias aside, I'm gonna give the Vegas 7.0 trial a shot.

FXhomer13183 wrote:

I'm leaning toward either a Sony Vaio or an HP, just for Lightscribe DVD-/+RW recorder/player.
HP > Sony Vaio. I put a LightScribe capable drive in my old Dell desktop, and burned a pretty Windows Vista RC1 install disk. smile
Posted: Wed, 25th Oct 2006, 4:44pm

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A Pickle wrote:


My anti-Sony bias aside, I'm gonna give the Vegas 7.0 trial a shot.
Glad you're open minded about it. Do remember one thing though. Sony bought Vegas and most of the other software at www.sonymediasoftware.com from Sonic Foundry. If I understand correctly that purchase included many of the jobs of people who had been working on Vegas, Acid, Sound Forge, etc. for years. So it's still the same innovative great software, just under the Sony name now.

I'm kinda with you on not wanting to give Sony money. But ever since I first tried out Vegas 4 (at the time being a Premeire Pro 1 user), I've been hooked. I don't know how it compares to the latest version of Pro, but with all previous versions, Vegas was much more intuitive, quick, easy, and precise than Premeire.
Posted: Sat, 28th Oct 2006, 1:54pm

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I have to agree with the people that like Vegas over Premiere. I bought Vegas 6 for 99 bucks at B&H. Not a trial version, but you don't get an instruction manual for 99 bucks, even though there is a .pdf file version of the manual installed on the software. The Boris Graffiti Ltd. Titling program that came on the Vegas cd wouldn't let me put in a CD key when I installed the Vegas software, but I called Sony, and they gave me an installation key that installed it as Boris Graffiti 3, so that was cool. (Unfortunately, I didn't write the key down to register it and get all the cool free stuff from Boris.) I called Sony back and they wouldn't confess that anyone there gave me the Boris installation key, and explained that with the 99 dollar version of Vegas, you had to use the titling system that came with the program.
But I could not be happier with the Vegas. I like the way I can see instant titling, compositing, event movement, etc. on my external monitor without pre-rendering each effect. I already have Acid Pro and Soundforge, so I was already somewhat familiar with the Vegas interface. I was using Premiere 6.0, and I'm still using a 2Ghz Dell system (sucks to have such a limited budget when you're married!!), but with the way Vegas works with my machine is amazing. (I have some time between jobs, so I am having a ball learning the program!) I recommend anyone here to get the 99 dollar Vegas 6 version if it's still available from B&H...might be worth it, instead of spending the extra couple of hundred for minor extras.
Posted: Sat, 28th Oct 2006, 9:16pm

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The following was posted on the Creative Cow forums under the Vegas forum, by one of the editors of Creative Cow magazine. Just thought it applied and that people might want to see.

http://forums.creativecow.net/cgi-bin/new_read_post.cgi?forumid=24&postid=866055&pview=t#head

Name: Timothy Duncan
Date: Oct 27, 2006 at 11:18:06 am
Subject: Re: Why doesn't Vegas get any respect?


You bring up a good point. I've been thinking of starting a Vegas podcast. I just finished up the Vegas 7 update for Class on Demand and included what I think are some great little tidbits of "how to's" that I don't see anyone else sharing. It might be good to start creating some podcasts around some good tips and tricks and workflow enhancements.

I didn't have time to contribute to this latest Cow edition as my schedule has just been too tight. (Many 16 hour edit days). Plus, we have been battling with a company over some SAN issues and I could not have written about them in a good light. We are giving them the opportunity to remedy the situation first. However -- I agree with you about Vegas respect. So many times Vegas isn't mentioned by those who know better. I was actually chuckling when reading the article about FCP and how it handles HDV. Apple has a lot of catching up to do. Vegas beats all the other guys handily with the exception of good hardware support. Decklink and Xena development leave a LOT to be desired. That being said -- I'm editing tons of stuff in Vegas that is on worldwide TV. Many of our clients come to us because we get projects done twice as fast as with Final Cut or Avid. I still do editing on Avid|DS Nitris as well. Most of that work can be done so much more efficiently in Vegas.

Vegas has a lot more end users than most people realize. Version 7 is the best update of the software since version 3 in my opinion. Nobody else has even close to the amazing workflow and ease of use for HDV and Sony XDCAM HD. Renders take longer in Vegas, but the quality cannot be beat. I prefer quality over speed. And -- Vegas can render in the background while you keep on working. But -- HDV and MXF renders are not slower than anyone else. wink If Vegas would enhance a few things -- they could indeed be "king." Vegas plays nice with all others though, and now it can be run on an intel Mac with boot camp. I use Macs and PCs side by side every day. There are only two softwares I prefer on Mac: 1- Motion and 2-iPhoto. Other than these -- I don't use Mac. I am very proficient with FCP and know it very well, but it is so slow compared to Vegas in every way. Everyone who comes through our offices leaves with a new take on "Vegas" and how much more efficient it is.

So -- stay tuned... Vegas is gaining in the broadcast market because of the XDCAM tapeless workflow. FCP had just added support for the HQ modes of XDCAM and it's still not nearly as fast and efficient as within Vegas. Not to worry -- Vegas has had more influence on the modern video industry than any other single software in the past decade. Avid and FCP have absolutely copied things that Vegas did first. I gurantee you that Avid and FCP both watch Vegas more closely than even each other.

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Posted: Sun, 29th Oct 2006, 1:49pm

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Does anybody here use Adobe Premier Elements rather than the pro version? The web site details seem to indicate that you get 99 audio tracks with Elements. I'm just wondering if that's true, or if that's just with the full version?
Posted: Sun, 29th Oct 2006, 4:15pm

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I have Video Explosion, too. If you're used to that, you'll fit in perfectly with Vegas (I haven't tried 7 yet, only 6, but I doubt it would be much different). The two are so similar, I thought Sony made Video Explosion as an entry-level program for Vegas. It's just about a carbon copy, as far as interface and workflow is concerned. Everything else about Vegas is a huge step up from Video Explosion.

Basically, you will have no trouble transitioning from one to the other. I would recommend Vegas is you like Video Explosion, but want more features and a more robust program.
Posted: Sun, 29th Oct 2006, 4:44pm

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Im strictly a Final Cut Studio user, but I have tried both of those programs and I would have to say that Vegas is the better of the two. This is just my opinion.
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 12:07am

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Hendo wrote:

FXhomer13183 wrote:

I guess since I'm getting a PC, it might be either Adobe or Sony. Will fx be compatible for both?
The FXhome products are compatible with any other video editing programs that can import/export AVI, MOV or image streams.

So yes, the video editors made by Adobe and Sony will work just fine with the FXhome products.
Thanks, Hendo.
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 11:45am

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thefiddler wrote:

Glad you're open minded about it. Do remember one thing though. Sony bought Vegas and most of the other software at www.sonymediasoftware.com from Sonic Foundry. If I understand correctly that purchase included many of the jobs of people who had been working on Vegas, Acid, Sound Forge, etc. for years. So it's still the same innovative great software, just under the Sony name now.
I tried the demo. There were things I liked, and things I didn't like, relative to Premiere. Interface, for example, was something I think still falls to Premiere Elements, especially considering PE 2.0 and PE 3.0 (which now supports HDV, upgrade time! smile).

Jazzmanian wrote:

Does anybody here use Adobe Premier Elements rather than the pro version? The web site details seem to indicate that you get 99 audio tracks with Elements. I'm just wondering if that's true, or if that's just with the full version?
I do, and yes, you get 99 audio tracks and 99 video tracks. It's fantastic. smile
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 12:40pm

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I use Prem Elements 2.0 and it's great with most of the features of the full Premiere Pro. I would be slightly wary of PE 3.0 as I have heard reports that it has been simplified and is more of an intro type program and less powerful in its latest incarnation.
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 1:00pm

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petet2 wrote:

I use Prem Elements 2.0 and it's great with most of the features of the full Premiere Pro. I would be slightly wary of PE 3.0 as I have heard reports that it has been simplified and is more of an intro type program and less powerful in its latest incarnation.
Yikes! Can we get confirmation on this? Because I'm supposedly getting it as an x-mas present, and if 3.0 is really downgraded, I would want to to get out in front of this and let my upcoming benefactor know to try to order 2.0 instead of assuming that the "latest and greatest" would be what I wanted.
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 2:00pm

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I have to admit that I was surprised when I first read about alleged the "dumbing down" of the program because one of its strengths has always been how close to Prem pro it is in operation.

I've just spent an hour or so having a look at various forums and the opinions seem to be mixed. Try joining the Adobe forums for PE as cetainly the UK ones seem to have some concerns over stability and bugs.

The program now has a storyboard mode for editing which seems to be more basic than the timeline mode of previous versions - I think it was this that I had seen criticism of. However having looked further I think there is still a timeline mode so maybe that concern is unfounded?

Is there a demo you can download to try before you buy?

Added later: I just found one review that described it as "consumer heavy" rather than "pro lite". Make of that what you will!
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 6:54pm

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My friend and I were talking about splitting the cost of Premiere (or Vegas) and then both installing it on our computers. Does anyone know if that's legal or not?
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 8:06pm

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No, thats not legal. Sorry.
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 9:03pm

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petet2 wrote:

I use Prem Elements 2.0 and it's great with most of the features of the full Premiere Pro. I would be slightly wary of PE 3.0 as I have heard reports that it has been simplified and is more of an intro type program and less powerful in its latest incarnation.
This isn't true, try the demo. The new interface is nicer, in my opinion. The window title bars don't take up as much space, and they've engineered it to where most of your needed tools are right available to you.

It also has a pretty spiffy DVD menu authoring system, which'll be fun. smile

petet2 wrote:

The program now has a storyboard mode for editing which seems to be more basic than the timeline mode of previous versions - I think it was this that I had seen criticism of. However having looked further I think there is still a timeline mode so maybe that concern is unfounded?
There're two toggles between timeline and storyboard mode. My one criticism is that I can't set timeline as my default.

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Is there a demo you can download to try before you buy?
Always.
Posted: Mon, 30th Oct 2006, 10:03pm

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If i had to chose between Vegas and Premiere I'd have to go with Final Cut Express. But that's just me.



p.s. Apple Rules!
Posted: Tue, 31st Oct 2006, 12:43am

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I currently use Premiere Elements 2.0 and it does everything I want it to and a little more. 99 audio + video tracks, some cool transitions, and the VSTi/DXi plugins from my music sequencing program (FL Studio) are recognized and imported into it (or at least I think they are) for audio effects.

I'll probably be getting Premiere Elements 3.0 along with the Photoshop Elements 5.0 bundle soon.

If you're going to be purchasing things like the FXHome products to do your special FX/compositing stuff, you won't need Premiere Pro or Vegas. If all you need is something to put together movie clips and audio tracks in, Premiere Elements is the way to go.
Posted: Tue, 31st Oct 2006, 7:41am

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jmax wrote:

If i had to chose between Vegas and Premiere I'd have to go with Final Cut Express. But that's just me.



p.s. Apple Rules!
Wow. I so want to type a rebuttal to that.
Posted: Tue, 31st Oct 2006, 8:02am

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jmax wrote:

If i had to chose between Vegas and Premiere I'd have to go with Final Cut Express. But that's just me.
so you'd buy mac software for your pc? neutral

when i was on the pc i was a vegas user (since version 5). can't speak much about premiere since the last version i used was 6.5. never did look back though. "real time" editing was real. i'm on a mac now using final cut studio and now i have to render when i move a title, import an mp3, wmv, divx, avi, etc. something you don't even think about in vegas especially since you can do all that on the fly as you watch it play in the canvas. now i love cutting in fcp but i'm really hoping final cut pro 6 will be more forgiving to what i throw at it because i still think of vegas every time i have to render.
Posted: Tue, 31st Oct 2006, 9:18am

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If you've used Vegas 7, Premiere becomes pretty abysmal.

And this isn't bias. Just try both of them out and notice the massive speed difference. Vegas ruined all but Final cut for me since the speed is so mandatory for the way I edit.
Posted: Wed, 1st Nov 2006, 3:36am

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Bryce007 wrote:

If you've used Vegas 7, Premiere becomes pretty abysmal.

And this isn't bias. Just try both of them out and notice the massive speed difference. Vegas ruined all but Final cut for me since the speed is so mandatory for the way I edit.
Vegas 7 does import video a good deal faster (Adobe's 'conforming' can take a little while), but that's seriously just about it. Premiere's interface puts Vegas's to shame.
Posted: Wed, 1st Nov 2006, 7:37am

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Never been a fan of Vegas, I would take Premiere Pro 2.0 over it every time I think. But then I would generally use Final Cut Pro for editing.
Posted: Wed, 1st Nov 2006, 8:28am

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I didn't mean "Importing" video, I meant everything. Previewing is VASTLY quicker on vegas than any other NLE currently available from what I've used. and Premiere is buggy and the interface is rather unintuitive. But then again, It suppose it's personal preference.
Posted: Wed, 1st Nov 2006, 5:19pm

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Reading over all the posts in this thread it seems there's two general consensuses: 1) get Vegas if you can, and 2) get Premiere Elements if you can't.

Remember though that Vegas has a scaled down versions as well: http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/vegasfamily.asp They give the great speed, flexiblity, and abilities of Vegas in it's intuitive interface, for a whole lot less than the full version.

I'd go with MovieStudio platinum over Premeire Elements anyday. It seems to me that most people who've posted here against Vegas are people who have mostly just used Premeire, then gave Vegas a brief try and didn't like it in that brief time. However, most of us Vegas users, used to be Premeire users and switched because Vegas is so much faster and more intuitive. Not only is it faster in it's ability to render and such, but just in it's general interface design, which is so much faster because it doesn't really hold to the "traditional" NLE interface. They approached it very differently and now most other NLE's have "borrowed" features and abilities from Vegas' design.
Posted: Wed, 1st Nov 2006, 6:35pm

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I originally used premier pro 1.0 and after using vegas (5 i believe) i fell in love with it (not literally, im not weird). Since then i bought vegas movie studio 6 (can't afford the full version, damn houses are expensive) and use that all the time now, i just find it more user friendly and better laid out.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Nov 2006, 3:58pm

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petet2 wrote:

I use Prem Elements 2.0 and it's great with most of the features of the full Premiere Pro.
Is there anywhere I can go that will have like a list that will compare the two? I have tried a google search, but didn't come up with anything...