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things you can't do in your film if you want it on TV.

Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 4:16pm

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Hi,

Some of you may know that i've send my last film (2 epic) into a TV station called propeller (SKY CHANNEL 195)

Anyway I've just got a list of things they want me to change, some of it I didn't know and thought you guys would want to know incase you submit films in the future.

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Dear Ian,

Thank you for your email.

I have watched your film and, while we would like to give you a TX date,
there are a few things that need doing before it is deemed clear for
broadcast.

At 36'20" and 36'59" there is unjustified product placement of 7up, Kit
Kat, Somerfield and Jammy Dodgers. While it is acceptable to have products
placed in the background of films it is not acceptable to have shots of
items such as these for no reason.

At 36'32" there is TV footage that doesn't appear to be footage of your
own. It looks like Sky news type footage. If this is the case, you would
need release forms. (I am not referring to the Hoeft News 24)

At 46'18" there is strobe flashing which instantly fails your film. Change
in luminance of more 30% twice in a second is not allowed.

Special thanks in credits. You can not say why you are thanking somebody.
For example, Special thanks to Jim Wicks for the free pizzahut meal. You
can have a thanks to Jim Wicks. Also, you can not have 2 Epic is sponsored
by www.toson.net the low cost webspace provider. You may put your sponsors
but not their website. This also applies to www.cliffordhoeft.com. Ofcom
would see this as advertising and it not allowed.

I will keep your paperwork on file and, if you are able to make these
alterations, will look forward to receiving a new updated version of 2
Epic.

Many thanks
Faith Pattinson
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 4:28pm

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Either i've worked in media too long, or all these points are patently obvious. They're all copyright/advertisement issues.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 5:10pm

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Xcession wrote:

Either i've worked in media too long, or all these points are patently obvious. They're all copyright/advertisement issues.
You've workedin media too long. Several of them weren't obvious to me at all.

Product placement? I know they would rather get paid for any product appearances, but what defines "background" in this case? Not having seen 2 epic, I don't know how he was showing them, but... still.

And the strobe? I never would have guessed that. I'm almost positive I've seen strobe lights used on TV shows many times in the past.

And you can thank people in credits but *not* show their web url? Never would have guessed that one. I would think it would be an either/or kind of deal. Either you don't mention them at all, or you can promote them a little. Some people's businesses are nothing *but* their web sites these days.

Anyway, good stuff to know for the future. I wonder if those rules are specific to that one company, the same across one country's industry, or pretty much global?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 5:29pm

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Xcession you have to admit you didn't know all of them wink ,i've subbmitted my other new film, and i'm sure there will be different problems on that film, want a little test, I send you my film and see if you say the same as the proper film company? wink

I will ask about the strobe as in my new film i've got flashing photograhpy and I wonder if I put a disclaimer on the start would that allow me to keep it in? as Jazzmanian mentions other films have strobe lights but do they get away with it because of the disclaimer.

I'll let you guys know what happens.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 6:03pm

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Xcession you have to admit you didn't know all of them
I have to? Why? I did know all of them.

Ok, you and your test are on.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 6:14pm

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Hi,
No worries, good on you, nice little test for you.
But it won't work without you seeing the film!!

I need an adress to post the film to. (hope you like it)

Just wondering what your job is.? if you knew these.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 6:18pm

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I'm a project manager/web developer at a local web agency. Its a rather vague description, but covers graphic design for various mediums, programing and other general rich media knowledge/application along with all the standard project management kinda stuff.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 6:37pm

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Forgive me for my next question it's not ment to be rude, but how would you have known that if an image flashes twice in 1 second that it's not permitted on tv, I only ask this as your job I guess wouldn't cover things like this on tv.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 6:38pm

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Interesting, although as someone looking to distribute your film these are all things you should have already been aware of. Any self-respecting film maker should strive to be clued in regarding such requirements. Perhaps this post will serve to clue some fxhomers into the existence of these regulations, although I doubt will be of much use to the majority of people as I consider it obvious that these rules exist.

Besides, last time I checked, fxhome users were telling you about copyright issues regarding a stargate movie of yours b4, am I mistaken?

Also, why am I worryingly sure that sky channel 195 is the god channel? is there something you're not telling us Ian?

-Hybrid.

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Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 6:45pm

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To be fair, there's a difference between tv program intellectual copyright (blatantly obviously going to be an issue) and not knowing about being careful not to show the label of a product.

It's a bit ridiculous really how tight intellectual law is; I remember hearing that a contact of mine had to get clearance from Quentin Tarantino to be able to have a Reservoir Dogs poster in the background of his movie.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 7:27pm

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At 46'18" there is strobe flashing which instantly fails your film. Change
in luminance of more 30% twice in a second is not allowed.
B4's movie might cause epileptic seizures... burst
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 7:28pm

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Hehehe, i have to take issue with Hybrid-Halo, I'm a film maker, not a lawyer, YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!!! this is what you said.

AN AMATUER FILM MAKER TRYING TO MAKE IT MUST KNOW ALL THE LAWS REGARDING DISTRIBUTION.

Come on, lets stop the witch hunt, yes I want my films to be distributed, for gods sake don't hold that against me, at least i'm being honest enough telling you guys and at least i'm nice enough trying to show you guys what i've learned so you don't have to go through all this.
I don't see anyone elses films on channel 195 (not a god channel) so please before it gets worse stop, I'm a film maker, not a doctor damm it. wink
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 7:36pm

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just goes to show the world we live in 2day biggrin I think some one should complile a stickie list of all these types of things to watch out for when filming, could be useful to ppl like me who havnt given this stuff 2 thoughts (mainly cus im not planning to release anything in the near future...).
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 7:40pm

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That might be a good idea SteveW. Some kind of "no no - knowledgebase" for filmmakers to get distribution.

I second that idea.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 7:45pm

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i third it
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 8:11pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

Hehehe, i have to take issue with Hybrid-Halo, I'm a film maker, not a lawyer, YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!!! this is what you said.

AN AMATUER FILM MAKER TRYING TO MAKE IT MUST KNOW ALL THE LAWS REGARDING DISTRIBUTION.
I don't plan on dueling with you in some pseudo-battle of film-making prowess by namedropping films I've worked on and around which are seeing distribution.

And you misinterpreted what I said. To boil it down if I must: "A farmer should read up on chickens if he wants to sell eggs".

I'm not saying that each and every regulation is obvious, merely that the existance of guidelines is which should cause the research into said regulations. That was my point. It's called planning.

To re-iterate so as to make sure you don't misinterpret what I am saying to some ridiculous naive extreme : Test the water's temperature before you jump in and you'll never get scolded.

Everyone else seems perfectly capable of doing so.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 8:38pm

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I agree with B4, some of those are not so obvious to me. Although I would look these things up before trying to distribute, I'd say it would be pretty easy to miss the strobe light...
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 10:43pm

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I guess Propellor would never show the first Alien movie then - strobing lights all over the end reel in that one. MTV usually just sticks on a "warning - contains strobing lights" message. Why can't Propellor?

How direct is your product placement? I mean... Jammy dodgers? I'm guessing you weren't actually sponsored by these products so they are here either for artistic effect or as a joke? Seems over picky. I can think of any number of products named by comedians etc in sit-coms or during their acts. Maybe the laws stop applying when you get a certain level of fame.

Good luck with Propellor and make sure you post your screening times when you get them for us in the UK to look out for.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 10:49pm

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I can think of any number of products named by comedians etc in sit-coms or during their acts. Maybe the laws stop applying when you get a certain level of fame.
Or maybe your assumption that they DON'T have special contracts for every single one of these products in their shows and can do whatever they feel like doing is simply... wrong. smile

These laws apply to everyone. You just don't know about it. What might appear spontaneous on stage is usually scripted EXACTLY for some lawyers, if not, there's always someone there who will find a reason to sue. Especially if you're famous...
Posted: Mon, 23rd Oct 2006, 10:53pm

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I guess so. I worked as the Brand Protection Manager for the Commonwealth Games in Manchester and it opened my eyes to the world of marketing and brand identity.
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 6:14am

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Product placement is a funny thing.

I just like when you see someone holding an alcoholic beverage in a TV show or movie, and if you look closely at the bottle it just says "Beer" in fancy cursive or such.
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 6:26am

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i don't see a problem with strobe lights, take a look at redhawks hauntfest movie, and wait till the end, it has at least a minite worth of strobe, also if you put it on TV should'nt they warn the viewers that there may be flashing images or violence>

B3N
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 8:16am

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Hi,

The food advertising was a sweeping shot going over the food and old plates of mouldy food (trying to show in the film that the person that lives there is a slob) I'll cut those out sad
not sure what the light flashing is? could be a gun shot? I don't recall any thing that could cause the light to flash, but when I look i'll put the clip up on here for you guys to see.

To be honest when I made 2 EPIC I didn't know about the tv station and only thought it would be on my site and I might sell the odd 1 or 2.

But now my fufure films (for which I have finally got funding smile )I will look up the best I can, maybe exccession could start a sticky with his knowledge of what you can and can't have in a film.
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 10:13am

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I did know about strob light (epileptic reason) but i was surprise about the WEB adress... Still trying to understand this one. They could lead directly to a pub site...

Ian, ask them to send you the guide they used or send you the place where you can find these information and share it with us. It could be very interesting.

Keep your final editing file of SHH not too far in case you have to change some think in it to get it on TV.

If you need help call me. I am sure a good tracking can erase the bad name on the candy box without cutting the shot.

Shadu
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 10:34am

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PropellorTV is dodgey in my opinion anyways. Should try and run the festival circuit first before looking to a company like Propellor to show your film.

Once its shown on Propellor, nowhere else will have it, including any established festival. Also, I'm sure then Propellor then have access and can justifiably present the footage as they want.
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 10:58am

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Good point shadu, next time I talk to them I'll ask.

Er-no, another good point and agree with you, (i'm not letting them have SHH until i've done all I can with it) but I've let them have 2 EPIC as propellertv is part of the UK film council and they throw money at (in my view) really crappy films, nearly all the (crappy) films on propeller are funded by the UK film council, my hope was by sending in 2 EPIC they could see that with a little money I could make better films.
Since the release of SHH i've had 2 offers for funding (not from UK film council) to make 2 different films, ofcourse nothing might come of it (just as what happened when channel 5 filmed me, it didn't get shown sad but we keep trying.
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 11:01am

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That's (really) good to hear you have (funding) for your films (movies) now b4, so you can (or can't) now make the switch to the bigger budget (as in, money) films now I guess (think so).

Good job (well done)



...sorry, finally I couldn't resist anymore... (yeah, what?) smile
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 12:35pm

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Solly, (yeah what?) I guess your asking me what the funding is.

Well, the day we had the premeire of SHH, one of the actors took the dvd to where he works, one of the customers who my friend knows fairly well now, (they all have to be rich to spend time where my friend works) asked about the DVD that my friend was watching, cut a long story short he offer £10,000 (I know it's not millions but it's enough to pay people to turn up and help with lights and carry the jib, dolly and other bits) I've already got 3 HD 1080i cameras so the money won't be used for that, The style of the film the funding is for is really (REALLY) NOT my type, and LOCKSTOCK style film (i've not even watched lockstock, that's how much I don't like that type of film) so the plan is to do the best I can and then I can show that to people and can say this is what i've done with a little money.

The other funding was me going around to get £20,000 for a cowboy film to be shot in Lardo town (cowboy town) in England, they charge £1,100 per day to shoot there and with the other films now under my belt it was easier to get the money than showing my old stargate films.
Ofcourse they want their money back and more so the real trick is getting it sold, as you know solly, you can make a film but it's harder to get it out there.

I'll keep trying.
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 12:49pm

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I (understand). Well, it's (really) good to hear. Even if 10'000 £ is (not a lot of) money to make a film (like a movie, but different), it's a good start (which is like a beginning, just not really).

A cowboy film would be awesome (I love cowboy films, they have guns n stuff) and if you have right location (the one you mentioned (cowboy town (England))) one could be able to pull of something descent (opposite of ascent) with that kind of (funding) money.

And yes, I can sing a song (not a good one, and I can't really sing it either) about how actually getting a film made (like finishing it) is the much easier part (allthough difficult none the less) then getting a PROPER (a real one, not one of those free TV things) distribution deal for it and make a profit.
If your film is feature length (around 90 minutes) you can get it distributed easily (everyone I know does), that's not the problem (the real one). But the problem is (here it comes) to get a PROPER distribution with a PROPER distributor who will actually pay (it's like giving, but people don't enjoy doing it as much) you an appropriate sum.


Well, keep trying and I wish you good luck (fortune)!! (Especially with that cowboy film... Did I mention I love cowboy films?)
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 1:42pm

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heheh, sorry gave up reading your above post, (too many ) but only a little (confusing) could be sort of.
So (i being me) skipped (skimmed if you want) over (not under) your comments (shame) as in (sad) as i'm sure (not sure as in deoderant) had something (well maybe) to (not 2 )say.

sad

any (maybe couldbe) reason why (you, =solthar the great) is typing with (some but maybe all) these little (well big) things in your post (not letter but post as in text) sad
Posted: Tue, 24th Oct 2006, 1:50pm

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ARGH stop it both of you! You're completely ruining written English. Parenthese denote an explanation which provides extra information and are NOT to be used in place of well formed sentences, commas and the em-dash (which delimits a discontinuity in the flow of ideas).

B4: If you need that many brackets in a single post, you need to plan your prose better.

Sollthar: don't take the piss.