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Two Armies Moving At A Great Distance

Posted: Sun, 10th Dec 2006, 9:41pm

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Belita

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I need an effect of two armies,maybe like a very distant shot,as if one were looking down at them,moving to each other for battle...not much detail ...just the overall feel of this sort of fantasy fight scene..that could be placed on a rugged background for a short shot.

I have EffectsLab And CompositeLab.
Posted: Sun, 10th Dec 2006, 11:51pm

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Sollthar

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Anything else while we're at it?


Just in case you didn't catch the slight sarcasm, you do realise that this is an utterly complex thing you're asking for which is BOUND to look total crap as a prefix or preset?
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 12:31am

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King of Blades

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Well, Belita, you're posting in the wrong place... I'd say. What you're asking for is damn-near impossible, unless you have some massive cloning skills, or if you own ILM.

And as much as I have learned about masking, compositing, keying and what not, this task is just not possible with CLab and ELab... Unless you had a LOT of time on your hands... and I mean, oh, let's say about... 5 standard years.

Sorry, but this isn't exactly a preset... or even a backdrop.
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 2:04am

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Belita

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Smiles...sorry...just glad I asked you guys....it is so amazing all the things that can be done in effects(when you are a genius that is),Solthar,I downloaded some of your explosions,and they are amazing,will be doing some music vids with them and want to add credits to the creators of the presets I use,so I will ask if I can add your names to the credits when the project gets done,thank you for replying to my request.

Kingofbladeslv...thanks for replying...it helps me to learn about the aspects of production in video...because I am a musician by profession,and need these visuals for my music,I get ideas,but I know the tech aspects are really difficult.

One thing...what do you think it would look like if I made the scene with particles...I mean at a distance people look like little ants?..that is sort of what I was asking in the first place....like black ants moving in a to each other direction?...maybe it would look very shoddy:-) or maybe campy kool?...my stuff is sort of B movie videos....I studied in a film course with Ray Steckler as a teen here at UNLV and never lost my love for that style,my first video in the 80's was all like that.Fight of the decaying Zombies set to music.?...never say never!.

Hugs to all and thanks.
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 2:16am

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Axeman

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You might be able to get away with using little images of people as textures on a particle effect, if the ground they are moving across is totally flat. Variations in the terrain would involve greater control over the particles than EffectsLab can achieve. In fact, if you wanted to take a bit of time, you could get someone in costume, film them taking two steps, create a around mask them and create an animated sprite to apply to the particles.

But if they are moving over flat ground, and are a great distance away, and you hide the effect a bit you might get it to work. By hide the effect I mean obscure it slightly, perhaps with some low-lying fog, or mist, or focus on something in the foreground so the background armies are a bit blurred.
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 6:51am

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Belita

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Many Thanks Axeman,I will practice on my texture adding to particles,
and experiment with the effects until I get close to what I am looking for.
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 9:32am

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Simon K Jones

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It'd be best to either do this in 3D and then composite it with CompositeLab, or to film actual people moving across the landscape and then clone them, also using CompositeLab. Of course, depending on the size of the army, cloning might prove impractical.
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 5:12pm

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Buu

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There is a script for Blender that can be good for crowd simulation, I'll see if I can find it for you later.... if I can.
Posted: Mon, 11th Dec 2006, 8:36pm

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Penguin

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You can use cloning to make an line of soldiers (one deep) charging at you in compositelab, and, if you have enough patience, effectslab.
Posted: Tue, 12th Dec 2006, 6:17am

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Belita

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Thank you for your advice Tarn,Buu & Darth Penguin...I really appreciate you taking the time to reply to my post. smile