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Macbeth 1932

Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 2:41pm

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This is not an actual film. For the final project in my Jr-Sr level Shakespeare class, we had to write up a proposal as to how we would make a film version of a Shakespeare play. I decided to do Macbeth and set it in the 1930's. Using the prohibition mafia-gangs as a replacement for the Scottish nobility.

The "trailer" you see here is just a proof-of-concept / teaser video to present the idea and a little of the tone. As a part of the assignment we had to present out proposal to the class. This video was my introduction. There is/will be no film. I did it in literally less than a day. It uses largely video from other films/TV shows, with only a little that I actually filmed.

This is not my masterpiece, just thought I'd show it here for people to see.


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Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 5:27pm

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Ehhhrmmmm it was a nice use of stock foootage and ripped visuals from major films... buuut other than showing off some grading and editing techniques it really didnt grab me... i kinda spent most of the viewing wondering weather you actualy shot anythign or just edited a bunch of clips together...

The shots you did film could have used fomr more ageing, perhaps some fragmenting.

However, as i have read you made it to show the story of Macbeth for your class, a great play... other than the blood on the hands i didnt find much of a link between the two... Im sure with explenation it could be made clearer.

Nice job.
Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 7:21pm

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I'm afraid I'm with Syro. I had no idea how to rate this film, so I didn't wind up giving it a mark. Since I didn't actually recognize the footage at first go, I was going to ask you if you really filmed everything in that clip. And if you did, I hope you're already making millions per year in hollywood. If I guessed correctly at the parts you really shot yourself, you had a few interesting grading effects, particularly the one shot with the blood, but mostly this was other people's work and I wasn't really getting the Macbeth theme from it. The gun loading scene went on for a bit too long, also, from a single static camera angle.

I'd be interested to see what you wind up doing with this assignment with your own film you shoot though, rather than stock footage, and look forward to the final product. It sounds like an interesting challenge.
Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 8:50pm

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im with jazz and syro. No idea what to rate. Looks like the majority of the clips came from Road to Perdition with a few of your own inbetween.

The fact that you took clips from Road to Perdition for what looks like almost the entire teaser, I really can't rate this very high, that and the fact that I really have no idea what's besides knowing that it's the story of Macbeth set in the 1930's, but again im displeased to see the majority of clips taken from another movie, a big turn off even if it is a teaser.

When you get more footage, re-cut a better teaser or just make a trailer with your own footage and ill be able to judge from there.
Posted: Tue, 19th Dec 2006, 9:16pm

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the Fiddler

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Sorry guys. Guess I wasn't very clear in the explanation. This is not an actual film. For the final project in my Jr-Sr level Shakespeare class, we had to write up a proposal as to how we would make a film version of a Shakespeare play. I decided to do Macbeth and set it in the 1930's. Using the prohibition mafia-gangs as a replacement for the Scottish nobility.

The "trailer" you see here is just a proof-of-concept / teaser video to present the idea and a little of the tone. As a part of the assignment we had to present out proposal to the class. This video was my introduction. There is/will be no film. I did it in litterally less than a day, and yeah I'm well aware I used stuff from Road to Perdition, it was the only film I had handy that had stuff from that era. This is more an editing job than an actual film. Kinda like those pre Episode I & II fan trailers that were made by combining footage from other films.

If you rate it, please rate it off mood, editing, and the artistic aspects of an edit, not something completely filmed and created by myself. Thanks, I'll get the description changed to make this more clear.
Posted: Wed, 20th Dec 2006, 10:23am

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I'm surprised you were allowed to take existing footage from other films and use it to make your project. I'd have expected a requirement for more of it to be your own original material - a bit like how you're not allowed to use sample essay text off the Internet for essays.

That aside for now, I wasn't keen on the grading. The flickering was very distracting and far too regular. In fact, the 'old film' flicker and artefacts seemed entirely unnecessary - from the footage and setting it was clear when it was set, so adding clearly fake 'old film' filters over the top did nothing but get in the way.

The grading at the end with the blood was excellent and a good idea, although it did seem to be the only link to Macbeth. Given the good ideas in the stuff you did film, it's a shame you didn't go to more effort to have a properly original piece of work.
Posted: Wed, 20th Dec 2006, 6:53pm

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Okay, so maybe I shouldn't have posted this at all. I'm not sure what happened, but the response from most people I showed it to was very positive. Including, and especially my teacher and the class.

Just a couple additional notes: 1) this was a Shakespeare class, not a film class. Nobody else did any sort of video for their presentation of their proposal papers. 2) I did the whole thing, start-to-finish in about 6 hours. It wasn't meant to be a masterpeice, just what we call an "attention-getter" to start my presentation of my final paper/proposal.

I'm not sure what I'm not conveying here, but everyone seems overly critical about something that's really not a big deal. Is editing alone not artistic enough? Must everything be filmed, etc.?

It was simply supposed to be a moody peice to introduce my paper/proposal of a film version of Macbeth set in 1932 America. Nothing more. It sets up very nicely my setting and rearangement of certain aspects of my proposed film. But understand, it's only a proposed film. I won't be making it. The assignment was just to submit a proposal for my idea of a film version of a Shakespeare play. "Remove Branagh from his position as king of Shakespeare film," as my teacher put it.

I appreciate some of the constructive comments, as they teach me things for the future. But as for this, the class is over and done with. I'll not be doing anything further with this video. Thought people might want to see it, but maybe I was wrong and should have it taken off the cinema?
Posted: Sun, 24th Dec 2006, 8:02am

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because most of the filming wasn't yours there isn't much to comment on...besides the fact that most of the editing was well done. Except the titles...i thought that some of them went slowly (The same with some of the other shots, like the loading the gun shot). I'm just gunna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you were having to lengthen things to get to the end of the song.

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Posted: Tue, 26th Dec 2006, 7:46pm

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Even for an introduction to a Shakespeare play set in 30s Chicago it's a bit pointlessly long and has not much to say.

Where's all alcohol and trading stuff? It's what you described the seitting with.

Btw, there already was a Macbeth version of a film set in 30s Chicago. It's called Joe Macbeth, hehe.

Anyway, take these critics here seriously but not personally. After all you are here on a site where people want to see quality material.
Posted: Tue, 26th Dec 2006, 10:01pm

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Spanish Prisoner wrote:

After all you are here on a site where people want to see quality material.
Just a minor correction there, Spanish Prisoner;

This is not a site for grand and glorious filmmakers.... if there WERE grand and glorious filmmakers here, then half of the members on this site wouldn't exist, would they?

I know you didn't really mean anything by what you said, but I mean, Fxhome is a place to hone your filmmaking skills... by providing you with special effetcs software, this is a place to learn about, to be introduced to, and to continue your interests in filmmaking.

So... again, just a minor correction to your statement.... I've no intention at all to bark at you... like some other members here would...
Posted: Wed, 27th Dec 2006, 5:05am

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the Fiddler

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Thanks King.

Spanish Prisoner wrote:

Btw, there already was a Macbeth version of a film set in 30s Chicago. It's called Joe Macbeth, hehe.
Yeah, I know Spanish. I found that out after I'd already started writing my proposal and putting together the presentation and introductory video you see here. Fortunately, all the reviews were pretty negative (sounds familiar), so if I'd had to defend my proposal, I could simply say that it was done poorly before and that I'd take it a new direction and (hopefully) make it good.
Posted: Sat, 30th Dec 2006, 5:50am

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Pretty good for what it is (a bit slow, and no pumping finish, but that's a matter of taste).

I know exactly what your are missing friend, and that is: 1068
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 9:30am

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This is not a site for grand and glorious filmmakers.... if there WERE grand and glorious filmmakers here, then half of the members on this site wouldn't exist, would they?
I have to object. There are excellent filmmakers on here and there are people who want to see quality material.

Obviously, there are many enthusiasts and hobbyists on here too - allthough I don't see how they can't coexist...
Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2007, 5:11am

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Sollthar wrote:

This is not a site for grand and glorious filmmakers.... if there WERE grand and glorious filmmakers here, then half of the members on this site wouldn't exist, would they?
I have to object. There are excellent filmmakers on here and there are people who want to see quality material.

Obviously, there are many enthusiasts and hobbyists on here too - allthough I don't see how they can't coexist...
Good point, Sollthar. It wasn't my intent to say that they couldn't coexist, though..... it was just a reply to Spanish Prisoner saying that "people here are expecting to see quality material".