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my indy map test

Posted: Mon, 1st Jan 2007, 6:04am

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this is JUST A TEST NOT THE FINISHED PRODUCT so i know its a little dodgy but i just wanted to know what you guys thought about it.
heres the link:http://jumpcut.com/view?id=5E1DFE8C995A11DB8D495A856F9CC894
Posted: Mon, 1st Jan 2007, 6:11am

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Nice job! I am, to be quite honest, AMAZED that you were able to pull off the red line thing flying across the map. I'll look forward to the re-fined project!

Again, great job. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 1st Jan 2007, 6:31am

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thanks
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 6:54pm

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Dang, that must have been hard to rip off. It looks really good, keep trying to get what you want, and good luck.
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 7:30pm

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hey seagent stop acting like you dont know me
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 8:01pm

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pretty nice, and I know this is just a test, but just keep it steady. Idk if you want this, but indy uses solid red. But I am amazed that you pulled that much off, that is hard to do.
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 8:09pm

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yeah it took me about an hour, the reason its not steady is because you have to redraw the line every frame sa if you where doing a light saber and yeah i just notice how light and clear the line was im gonna fix that to thanks for all your comments
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 10:35pm

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Maybe to make it steadier, use Macromedia Flash. It would be easier to draw, and it has onion skinning which would keep it steady. What you could also do, is Show the whole map in the editing screen, and don't make it movie, just keep it steady. Then draw the lines with it standing still. Then after all that have the two things , the map and the line, move together. If you are doin this in flash, you could just convert the animation to a symbol, and then move the whole thing the same way it is moving now.
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 10:39pm

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i dont have flash and i heard somewhere that it costed a ton and i want to show the map moving like in the indy movies not standing still, bt thanks anyway
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2007, 11:15pm

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1 dollar budget wrote:

hey seagent stop acting like you dont know me
He He....
Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2007, 7:07am

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Hey 1 dollar, does Vegas Movie Studio have a mask feature in the pan/crop function?

I'm actually working on a Indy & Star Wars fanfilm and just completed my map sequnces, using a similar (but modified) version of the one in the link I posted in the other thread. I think they turned out very good. I'm kinda guessing you didn't use that method because Movie Studio doesn't have some feature of the full version, so you aren't able to do it that method. Is this true? If not, you realy ought to do it that way. I can even tell you how I modified that procedure to get results that look way closer to the actual Indy films.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2007, 10:03am

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It was good, i can say that, but i would like it even more if it had a solid red colour, and i know it isn't a full version, but for the full one, i sugggest spending as long as it takes to get it steady.

It was still good though, nice attempt wink

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Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2007, 9:36pm

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fiddler, yes movie studio does have a mask feture i did do it the way in the link you posted but i really wanted to show the cam moving across the map with the line rather than you seeing the whole map but if you figured a way to do like im trying to make it look can you please tell me how you did it.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2007, 9:53pm

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Do you have Photoshop? If so, make a red line a seperate layer (even add fancy distortions and shadows to make it look 3d), then slowly reveal it in the animation part of image ready (keyframe a mask moving.) Make this a high resolution video. Then take it into a video editing program, zoom in (to a point where you don't loose any resolution) and animate the video like you did here. I don't see why you attempted to track a quirky looking transparent red object to this map data. This is a much more simple effect than that, and I know you can do it better.

If you don't have Photoshop, this same concept can be applied to most video software/compositing software.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Jan 2007, 11:30pm

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i dont have photoshop or image ready i do have gimp tho which is pretty much a free versian of photoshop
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 2:09am

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1 dollar budget wrote:

i dont have photoshop or image ready i do have gimp tho which is pretty much a free versian of photoshop
Alright then. Maybe there are animation tools/plugins for that, I don't really know. But you are posting this preview for what purpose? Feedback? If you are posting it for feedback, you aren't really helping me help you. What softwares do you have? The only feedback I can give right now is that it needs work. I think the map looks great, and the animation of the map moving looks great. How did you do this, and maybe someone can figure out a solution. If you shot it on video (it could, the animation looks that real) or used stock footage, motion tracking might be necessary.
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 2:16am

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ill look into some animation tools all i did for the moving map is lay a map on a table point my cam down at the table and slide the map on the table.
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 5:11am

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The map's nice, but it does need some motion-tracking.
Ideally, you want something like After Effects (or someone who has it) - it's designed for that kind of thing. I did this in half an hour.
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 7:21am

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Okay, here's how I did it. I created the map at a quite high resolution. then I drew the red lines over it on another layer. Then I saved just the map (with the line turned off). Next, I saved just the line with a transparent background (PNG's work good for this), but at the same size image as the map. In photoshop, you just turn off the map layer, with no background, it just shows transparent, then if you save as PNG it recognizes the tansparency when you import to Vegas.

So then I did exactly that, imported both. I put the map on the timeline, and used the pan/crop to first zoom in, then keyframe the movement that I wanted it to make. Next, I put the line image on the track above, and made their lengths the same. then I just coppied the keyframes from the map pan/crop to the the line. This way they both move together. Now simply use the tutorial to make the mask on the line, so it reveals itself as it moves along the map.

There you have it, both the map moving and the line revealing. I'll post a clip of mine when I get the chance.
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 3:12pm

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CurtinParloe - that test is nice, but the camera paths are a bit spazzy (after the line reaches France, the speed changes quite dramatically).

The way I find is best to animate camera movement like that is to parent the camera to a null object, keyframe the null, then covert it's paths to beziers and appply Easy Ease keyframes.

Also, the line looks like it's been done with Vector Paint - you might find it a little nicer to draw a path with the pen tool, then use stroke to animate the line along it. That means you can get nice straight lines on the straight sections, and gentle curves when it turns.

I have a slightly more complicated version of the above knocking about somewhere, it's on a '3D' globe (there's a creative cow tutorial about that somewhere), and looks quite nice. I'll see if I can upload it anywhere.

I hope this helps smile

Cheers,
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Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 4:55pm

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Arktic wrote:

CurtinParloe - that test is nice, but the camera paths are a bit spazzy (after the line reaches France, the speed changes quite dramatically).

The way I find is best to animate camera movement like that is to parent the camera to a null object, keyframe the null, then covert it's paths to beziers and appply Easy Ease keyframes.

Also, the line looks like it's been done with Vector Paint - you might find it a little nicer to draw a path with the pen tool, then use stroke to animate the line along it. That means you can get nice straight lines on the straight sections, and gentle curves when it turns.

I have a slightly more complicated version of the above knocking about somewhere, it's on a '3D' globe (there's a creative cow tutorial about that somewhere), and looks quite nice. I'll see if I can upload it anywhere.

I hope this helps smile

Cheers,
Arktic.
It was the vector paint effect, which isn't that great. doesn't use camera paths, either, it's just moving the image, which is also a bit haphazard. It's just an illustration, if I was doing it for real I'd spent a lot more than half an hour on it biggrin
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 5:09pm

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In which case, you should make sure that under Keyframe Interpolation, the position keyframes are set to Bezier under 'spacial interpolation', apply a slight curve to the direction changes and use easy ease (highlyight the keyframes and hit 'F9') smile

This is the one I talked about earlier. In all it took about thirty minutes, most of which was creating/modifying the '3d' globe.

Cheers,
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Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 9:52pm

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alright thanks everyone for your comments im gonna try to make another one i wont post unless ya'll want me to but i'll tell you if it looked good thanks everyone
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 10:27pm

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Well, if you want want your fanfilm to look good, frankly, you need a new way of doing your line. Unless you find a new method of doing it with your program, it's just not going to look very good.

Compare yours to the one in Raiders.

I know you are considering purchasing an FXhome product, but this example shows how versatile these programs are. Within 10 minutes, I made this. It's not a masterpiece, but I think it's a lot closer. Plus, once you have the Opacity down to 50%, people will looking at the plane more than the map. If I spent more time with this, I think I could definitely get pretty good looking results.

To accomplish this effect, I simply laid the map down, placed a dot somewhere, placed a line under it, rotated that line, and placed a dot at the other end. At frame one, I had the line completely compressed, so it was hidden under the dot. At a later frame, I placed a keyframe of it fully expanded. To move the map, I just offset the position of everything on the canvas by (x-100,y+10). You can zoom in by scaling the different elements on the canvas so that they get bigger, but make sure it's relative to map and other lines.

If you would like to try this effect yourself (it will work in any FXhome product using the above method), I uploaded the image pack onto my website. Click here to download it.
Posted: Thu, 4th Jan 2007, 10:44pm

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thanks for the images rogolo
Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 12:44am

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Okay, here's the results I got with mine, based on the method I described above. All I used was Photoshop (though another image editor like GIMP could be used) and Vegas. I'm very pleased with the results.

My map sequence

With the video showing through like in the films it ought to work great.

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Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 12:59am

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fiddler, that was awsome it was almost perfect. were did you get that map because it looks so good.

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Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 1:44am

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i just put this together

Indy Map Test
Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 2:26am

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i wont let me watch it says im missing something for my quick time
Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 3:15am

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its an avi in divx
Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 7:06pm

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1 dollar budget wrote:

fiddler, that was awsome it was almost perfect. were did you get that map because it looks so good.
Thanks man. As I said, I was rather pleased with it myself. As for the map, I started with this one here: UN world map, and majorly modified it. First I removed all the country lines and names in Acrobat, then in Photoshop recolored the entire thing and further modified the various borders etc.

jfbiscardi that looks great. It's very steady and moves fluidly. Only thing I see is that you can see the line overlay moving over the rest of the image--there's a line and the image is colored differently behind the line than it is in front.
Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 10:26pm

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um... stupid question but is there away to delete the text in adobe reader because it will let select the text if not ill try to download the trial version
Posted: Fri, 5th Jan 2007, 10:46pm

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Sorry, I'm not aware of one. I actually had to open it on my brother's computer because he has the full version of Acrobat (I don't) in order to delete all that stuff.
Posted: Sat, 6th Jan 2007, 12:57am

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thanks everybody for your comments and help i have now finished my final map scene that will be in the movie so thanks so much everybody wink