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Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 7:58pm

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Click here to view the new iPhone


Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:29pm

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It is a pretty amazing looking device - I'm sure to get one having waited for something very special since my 3rd Gen iPod.

I've tried all the newer media players (including iPods) since my version and nothing has been significantly better at playing music and all the additional features on newer equipment have always seemed overly restrictive and unfinished.

The other thing that struck me during Steve's presentation is that iTunes is still doing so well! Even with the iPod line looking a bit old now (I don't really count the face-lifted Nano and mini) it still has 68% of the media player market over the Christmas period.

That is pretty remarkable with the huge influx of REALLY cheap players which are just as good as the Nano when it comes to just playing music but cost about 1/5th as much! This was also the release period of the mighty Zune which managed to gain all of a 2% market share.

Poor old Zune, it never really stood a chance...
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:35pm

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It does seem pretty cool. Too bad I just re-signed my Cingular account for another 2 years.

I'm wondering how the QWERTY keypad will feel/respond on a touchscreen with the keypad being in the portrait position. I thought it would have made more sense making the keypad in landscape... but we'll see.

I like the fact that it has no buttons at all, and the widescreen video is a cool touch as well.
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:44pm

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Wow. Just, wow. That looks amazing. I love the way the screen can turn upright and view the albums in that nice view. I'm getting this.

What's the price?

[EDIT: Hey Ben. Have fun with your uh, Zune. wink ]
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:50pm

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MSRP is around $499 to $599 depending on storage.
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Kyal wrote:

Wow. Just, wow. That looks amazing. I love the way the screen can turn upright and view the albums in that nice view. I'm getting this.

What's the price?

[EDIT: Hey Ben. Have fun with your uh, Zune. wink ]
wink

It's amazing! Glad I don't have a cell phone yet.wink
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:51pm

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The price is $499 for the 4GB version and $599 för the 8GB one.

here's more info and pictures:
Pictures
INFO
Bluetooth headset
Live from Steve Jobs' keynote
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:54pm

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Garrison wrote:

MSRP is around $499 to $599 depending on storage.
Yay! Another amazingly cool gadget that I don't have the money to buy.. sad Hopefully there's going to be some type of Cingular account activation discount.

Apple wrote:

All the power and sophistication of the world’s most advanced operating system, OS X...
I like Apple but they're a bit arrogant. I'm not trying to take jabs at them I just found this comment er, interesting. Haven't they ever heard of linux? Can their amazing OS do this?

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Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 8:57pm

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MrShmoe wrote:

The price is $499 for the 4GB version and $599 för the 8GB one.

here's more info and pictures:
Pictures
INFO
Bluetooth headset
Live from Steve Jobs' keynote
Wow. Great pics. But still, $499? Dang. Oh well, there probably will be some discount when you get it.
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 9:26pm

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Excellent. I am really, really thinking about this. However, I really wish it could also control my TV, etc. I want it to do everything. They still haven't done that. If it were 80GB, they used 30GB for software, then I had 50 for content, I would be ordering this right now. But anyways, I need navigation, so I could very well be getting this in the next year.
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Kyal wrote:

Haven't they ever heard of linux? Can their amazing OS do this?
Lol that's horrible, glad the mac os doesn't use it razz

That phone looks pretty awesome though. I'll wait around a bit until they become available free on a contract here.

I think I'll be putting my money into Apple TV first, I have a good enough phone for the time being.
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 10:39pm

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Kyal - Why would you want it to do that?

Anyway, Mac OS X can do that kind of thing easily as it has great Core Image/Video/Animation software which makes many things possible which would be much harder to do under Linux.

Linux is great but its not a simple one stop sollution in the same way Mac OS X is with so much integrated class leading software.
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Kyal wrote:

[EDIT: Hey Ben. Have fun with your uh, Zune. wink ]
My Zune holds more, works better ergonomically (I hate using touchscreen things), and is nearly a third of the price.

Oh, and I have a Walkman rotational phone, so both my phone and PMP can do that portrait-to-landscape switch.

What do I think about this? Eh, it's cool, though I think having everything touchscreen is gonna make everyone who uses it look like a pretentious d-bag with a stylus.

I like the phone and internet functions, and the album art browsing, but other than that, with 8 gigs for 600 bucks, I'm not sold.
Posted: Tue, 9th Jan 2007, 11:06pm

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Video, Photo, Navigation, Nice web browsing, Music, weather, text, email, calculator, and phone on one small, thin, sleek device. I don't see how it isn't worth the money. You seem to be one of the most insecure cinsumers in the world. Every time you own something, you seem to justify it anytime someone posts about anything. I'm honestly glad you like your Zune, but it just gets a little annoying. Kyal was clearly just poking fun ar you. I don't see what is pretentious about a stylus either... Also, the point of portrait to landscape on this is that it can integrate all of it's features (see above) most conveniently. I'm not trying to say your stuff sucks, I'm just sick of topics turning into that.

EDIT: Is the map feature GPS? I mean, I know you could just type in directions, but it'd be nice if it would know where you are and tell you how to get where you want to.
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My Zune holds more, works better ergonomically (I hate using touchscreen things), and is nearly a third of the price.
This isn't the video iPod, this is a phone. The large capacity iPod replacement is still coming.

"works better ergonomically" is just a silly thing to say. Try it before making random statements with no real justification. The new multi-touch system isn't like any previous touch screens out there (well there is one out there but I doubt you've tried it) so give it a try first.

What do I think about this? Eh, it's cool, though I think having everything touchscreen is gonna make everyone who uses it look like a pretentious d-bag with a stylus.
What has a stylus got to do with anything? Maybe read up on it before putting it down. You use multiple fingers on the display so you can actually type and the gestures look very intuitive.

I would say 8GB for a phone is just fine, and with all the additional applications and functionality its an amazing package. I expect the price will be much less pretty soon after release.

A ton of money has been spent on this design. The hardware (new high res screen and patented touch technology) and software (Mac OS X mobile, mail mobile, Safari mobile, iPhoto mobile and iTunes mobile) would have taken too much time and money to create for them to be restricted to just the iPhone.

I expect if you remove the phone hardware (but keep the high speed Wifi and bluetooth), add video out and a 120GB+ HD (and 5mm more depth to the case) you're seeing the next high end iPod which will appear later in the year.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just made the next highend iPods compatible with your bluetooth phone allowing all the functionality of the iPhone but without the simplicity of a single (more expensive) device.
Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007, 12:08am

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Serpent wrote:

Video, Photo, Navigation, Nice web browsing, Music, weather, text, email, calculator, and phone on one small, thin, sleek device. I don't see how it isn't worth the money.
Any expensive phone can do this, though. Granted, not with as much style, but my w600i comes fairly close. So do other devices like the Blackjack or the Sidekick.

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You seem to be one of the most insecure cinsumers in the world.
No, I just don't like everyone putting my Zune down the whole day today when it's just the same old story with Apple: Steve Jobs introducing something cool and sleek but killing it with his dripping, bolstered ego and arrogance towards everyone else. Putting other things down (the keypads of the other smartphones, the remark about Zune) is why I have always disliked Apple's sales tactics. Even back in the '98 when I was 9, I remember disliking the way Apple marketed their stuff.

They make great stuff, no lie, but do they always have to pull a "b4uask30male" on us with their ego? That's my problem here. Everyone's acting like the iPhone is bigger than Jesus' second coming when really it's just a smartphone with a touchscreen and a nicer UI. It's cool, but not the HUGE deal they're making it out to be.

I'll most certainly give the iPhone a try, but I don't expect it'll suit many people. IMO, even though you do get your bang for your buck, not alot of people can pay 600 dollars for a phone. This is exactly why the PS3 had shortcomings, and it was priced the exact same.

Come June, 5G iPod users are going to be surprised that their devices are no longer supported by Apple, that's all I gotta say.
Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007, 12:19am

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I'll wait till the 2nd or 3rd generation when my contract is up with Cingular and its time for a nice graduation present smile.
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Most of those other companies don't make it nearly as easy as Apple do, or as simple in my opinion. (As far as the phone comment goes, I had the blackjack, Treo, Blackberry, etc.)

Also, Kyal was kidding. In the Zune topic we all just said the iPod was pretty much just more convenient as far as software goes. Most people's opinions were that the iPod was also nicer looking. I/We (pretty much) pretty much said Zune had better screen (wide, better res) going for it. They prefer it, you can't help that. But you just act like a prick about it a lot, and that's while people pole fun at the whole thing.

Why do you care what they think? I personally think this thing is amazing. I hate phones, and phone interfaces. I have been waiting for this forever. Easy interface with everything I want in my pocket.

Apple perfects their firmware until there are no bugs. Of course they aren't going to make any additions, but they aren't going to stop with all the bugs Windows users have been having and they certainly aren't going to make their content unsupportable. My friend has a 2nd gen iPod and it can still play the music Apple promised way back when.

Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007, 12:29am

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Serpent wrote:

I hate phones, and phone interfaces. I have been waiting for this forever. Easy interface with everything I want in my pocket.
I completely agree here, but I do think there are a few exceptions, Sidekick, the Q, the Walkman phones, and the Blackjack being the most notable.

The iPhone does it with more style, as I've said.

Too bad I just re-signed my Cingular contract without the EDGE network. If I ever do get an iPhone, no extra functionality for me.
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Moving on from the Zune thing, how do you guys think the iTV will change output options for HD? Before now it was either to film, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD (both of which require insanely expensive players and burners), or video out to your miniDV and HDMI it out to a monitor (assuming your camcorder has jack). This changes a lot in terms of output. Is it possible to just stream it to the big stream in full HD? Or does it only accept the itunes movie DV format?
Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007, 1:33am

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jmax wrote:

how do you guys think the iTV will change output options for HD? Before now it was either to film, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD (both of which require insanely expensive players and burners), or video out to your miniDV and HDMI it out to a monitor (assuming your camcorder has jack).
Well here are the Specs for the iTV.

jmax wrote:

Is it possible to just stream it to the big stream in full HD? Or does it only accept the itunes movie DV format?
XBOX360 allows you to download HD versions of movies that you can "rent".
Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007, 1:47am

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Oh. But what about my own? (Because then all I'll have to do is materialize an HD cam...)

EDIT:Answer to my own question:
• Video formats supported: H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): 640 by 480, 30 fps, LC version of Baseline Profile; 320 by 240, 30 fps, Baseline profile up to Level 1.3; 1280 by 720 ,24 fps, Progressive Main Profile. MPEG-4: 640 by 480, 30 fps, Simple Profile

I believe that means HD... And it says it supports 1080i TV's. But that could just mean it supports them for Standard Def video.
Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007, 2:07am

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This kid was showing us his Zune in art class today and I thought it was pretty cool. I couldn't really call it an iPod killer but I might prefer one over and iPod. Ben, just be different and walk with your Zune with pride!


I probably won't be purchasing anything anytime soon. I'll just stick with my iPod shuffle and my old phone. smile
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In a pefect world I'd want this from Apple:

Apple DVR/HES
Apple iPhone with most Pocket PC/iPod functions available today
Apple Desktop and Laptop (with nice video card)
^^^These three could control the HES and the whole house
and integration with my car via Bluetooth. My house would be sleek, and everything would be organized and perfect. wink

But seriously, when I move out I'm going to try and make my digital life perfect and just keep building on it. I'm a gadget geek.
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Jesus Christ, guys, learn to take a joke. Oh joy, it's up to three now!

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I had to pretend I wasn't with him. Which.....is actually exceedingly difficult........when.......you know.
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My biggest beef is that they are signed with Cingular. I'm, pretty sure Cingular and ATT are both devil spawn companies...But they most likely did it for the SIM card worldwide functionality. I have had both ATT wireless and Cingular and they are absolutely horrible IMO...What sucks is that Cingular is going through a name change ONCE AGAIN..Way to go.

This device looks amazingly awesome and is worth my $600 dollars. However, it is not worth me switching wireless networks here in the states.
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Its very cool but I dont think its worth that kind of money. I spent $80 on my cell phone and I thought that was too much money for a phone.
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King Rhymes wrote:

My biggest beef is that they are signed with Cingular.
Wha? You obviously haven't ever been with Verizon! They're terrible. They butchered the Razor's beautiful GUI with some ugly Verizon trash! Also, Verizon even took away bluetooth on the Razor. Cingular kept the Razor's interface and bluetooth capabilities.

Oh, and I have a question about Europe. It's sort of a myth in America that Europe has better cell phone service than America. Is that true? Because if it is you Brits would not believe how terrible the cell phone service quality is here. confused
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I'm gettttting one.
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Kyal wrote:

King Rhymes wrote:

My biggest beef is that they are signed with Cingular.
Wha? You obviously haven't ever been with Verizon! They're terrible. They butchered the Razor's beautiful GUI with some ugly Verizon trash! Also, Verizon even took away bluetooth on the Razor. Cingular kept the Razor's interface and bluetooth capabilities.
I actually have Verizon and even worked for them for a brief 6 month stint as customer service. The GUI'S and bluetooth dont much matter to me, it's more the call quality and the customer service that I have had trouble with both for Cingular and ATT. Every wireless service has problems, but there is a reason Cingular usually falls dead last in customer care awards.
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Wow, I've never seen a device that can do so much. It'll be interesting to see its outcome. If its well put together and runs everything smoothly and with high quality (and it's not like Apple to allow it to do otherwise) then it should do well...except I here it costs $500 and I don't think very many people will wanna buy it for the same price as a PS3, but who knows? This is why I say it’ll be interesting.
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...and people wonder why I love Apple...
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TimmyD wrote:

...and people wonder why I love Apple...
No, people wonder why you have that kind of love with Apple, of you know what I mean.
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I hope nobody got too attached to the name "iPhone", because apparently, it's been trademarked by Linksys for 7 years....

I have a feeling Steve Jobs isn't happy about this, but I could be wrong.
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ben3308 wrote:

I hope nobody got too attached to the name "iPhone", because apparently, it's been trademarked by Linksys for 7 years....

I have a feeling Steve Jobs isn't happy about this, but I could be wrong.
Don't you mean Cisco? Obviously, I don't think Steve really cared. Not only did Cisco have the patent apparently, they released their own verision of the iPhone before X-Mas. That being the case, if Apple Inc. really thought it would be a problem they would have done something by now. Not only that, but I'd find it hard to believe they just recently found out the name was patented.

I think if anyone's not happy, it's Cisco which pretty much got pwned.
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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

I here it costs $500 and I don't think very many people will wanna buy it for the same price as a PS3, but who knows? This is why I say it’ll be interesting.
Yet people buy Treo phones, Blackberries, etc., and this can do at least as much if not more.

It's apparently got the all-time highest screen resolution for a phone OR computer.

NickD
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NickD wrote:

It's apparently got the all-time highest screen resolution for a phone OR computer.

NickD
Huh? That doesn't even make sense, and it's not true. Computer screens can be infinitely higher res than that phone, and they are.
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I know. That's what I thought, but I've heard it from multiple people now, and quite a few "tech geeks" that I know. Apparently it has more pixels on that display?!?!?
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ben3308 wrote:

I hope nobody got too attached to the name "iPhone", because apparently, it's been trademarked by Linksys for 7 years....

I have a feeling Steve Jobs isn't happy about this, but I could be wrong.
Read stuff before you post, Apple knew about Cisco's trademark, and was in negotiations to transfer the trademark. Apparently negotiations failed... <cue starwars reference, waser>
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NickD wrote:

I know. That's what I thought, but I've heard it from multiple people now, and quite a few "tech geeks" that I know. Apparently it has more pixels on that display?!?!?
Maybe most pixels in a given area? I still find it highly unlikely...
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From what I've read, it has 160 pixels per inch, "higher than average". Meh.
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The resolution Steve was talking about was pixels per inch (ppi), not the screens pixel resolution dimensions which, of course, is vastly lower than most PCs.

The iPhone is 160ppi which is much higher than computer monitors which sit between 72-96ppi.

In the computer world laptops get the closest to the iPhones ppi - the Dell XPS 17inch 1920x1200 screens are about 128ppi. Top of the line mobile phones from the likes of Sony Ericsson sit around the 130-140ppi level.

As far as I know the 160ppi quoted is the highest for any mass produced screen (at the moment) and therefore the screen will have a higher pixel resolution dimensions than any other screen of the same 3.5inch horizontal. So where current competitors 3.5inch screens sit at about 260x380 the iPhone is 320x480.

NEC does have a 960x540 300ppi 3.5 inch screen coming out but it is not suitable for mobile devices.
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iFone anyone?
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To be honest, it doesn't seem very attractive to me. I've always hated phones that try to be so much more than a phone, but ultimately always become too bulky.

I can gladly do without carrying a 3.5 inch screen in my pocket, thank you! smile
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It's something that I absolutely DON'T NEED! But I HAVE TO HAVE
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I'd be interested to know how the screen holds up and how scratched/smudged it gets with touching it frequently. Oh, and how long it lasts before it breaks.
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With the "18-months-till-the-battery-dies" syndrome that all Apple iPods tend to have, I'd be a little sceptical...
Posted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007, 3:43am

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I think the iphone is terrible. I hate touch screen stuff! and its too big. The 8gb ipod feature is nice. But until they make an ipod with phone features instead of a phone with ipod features then ill start thinkin about it.
Posted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007, 2:20pm

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Isn't it just as much of an ipod that can call people as a phone that can play music?
Posted: Mon, 15th Jan 2007, 2:39pm

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Darth Penguin wrote:

Isn't it just as much of an ipod that can call people as a phone that can play music?
No, it's more of a phone that can play music because it contains other phone-like features such as internet connectivity and contacts.


Personally, I think the iPhone is very pretty looking. I never was a fan of "Apple-style"; it was either too glossy for me or it resembled too much of those fisher price toys with which parents would indulge their children.

But everything feels just right with the phone.
Posted: Tue, 16th Jan 2007, 12:48am

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It looks really sweet, but I'm sick of hearing people say it's a Zune killer, because by all means, it's not. The iPhone is nearly double the Zune's price, therefore you can't compare the two.

While it does look great, I'm disappointed that they gave it a larger screen but only 10% of the space of a normal video iPod. In my honest opinion, that was a bad marketing move. People are going to want to put higher quality video on it but they'll only get to put a smaller amount.

However the seamless integration of iPod software, phone capabilities, and internet access is mindblowing, and I can see lots of corporate business-people walking around performing tasks on one of these babies.
Posted: Tue, 16th Jan 2007, 10:37pm

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does anyone know if the iPhone will have SD or MiniSD card slot? would love to use it with TomTom mobile


ACTUAL SIZE

for all of those who are interested heres a link to a print out of the actual size of the iPhone

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