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Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 1:42am

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DJP444

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can someone give me a list of cheap and easy programs I could use to make 3d models such as for example a starwars TIE fighter. and then edit it into effects lab
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 1:57am

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You can download images of models against greenscreens from the AlamDV plugins pages on the site.

There are all different angles for you to use.

Hope this helps,
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Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:10am

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DJP444

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well you see ive always have had trouble with the plugins, 1st i forgot how you extract the images into 1 stream. and second is that 1 time i didnt manage to figure out how to turn it into a an image stream, it had black behind the effect/animation and just covered my footage
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:11am

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o and 1 more thing, do u no how to get rid of the "ghost effect" when I apply a image with a greenscreen backround onto another image or video?
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:11am

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Well, for some of the 3D models, it's not a stream, rather a series of images that you can animate across a frame.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:17am

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I c now. But i still have the ghost effect or the transparency of the image
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:18am

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I don't know what preset pack you're using. If you showed it to me I could help a little more, but as always, tinker around with it. Everything takes adjusting.

Also, some of those could be composited in your NLE even.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:24am

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DJP444

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I'm sorry but I decided just to go on the internet for a 3d image of a spacecraft and tried putting it on a image background.that's what i meant sorry
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 2:50am

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never mind i got it biggrin
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 3:03am

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Effects Lab is really designed for adding particle effects, muzzle flashes etc. Comp lab is the one for compositing images, it has some superb features to produce a clean key.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 4:10am

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As mentioned, EffectsLab isn't the ideal tool for this job, but as long as your 3d render has an embedded alpha channel, it will automatically composite into EffectsLab quite easily. Grading it to match the lighting of the rest of the scene and so forth will be much more difficult in Elab than Clab, if you can do it at all, but basic alpha rendering is taken care of for you on import. To get rid of the ghosting effect, you have to have an alpha channel.

As far as extracting an imag stream from a plug-in, you don't really have to. "Import image stream" in the EffectsLab menu will automatically do it for you, you just have to point it to the first frame of the image sequence.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 9:20am

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DJP444 wrote:

can someone give me a list of cheap and easy programs I could use to make 3d models
As far as I know, 'cheap and easy' don't go together when talking about 3D modelling. You can get cheap (ie, Blender, which is free), but it's incredibly difficult to use. Or you can pay for something like Cinema4D which is a lot easier to use, but of course costs a bit of cash.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 11:13am

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"Easy" and 3D never go together, no matter really if cheap or not.
Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007, 9:37pm

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Amen to Sollthar. 3D takes time, money, and dedication. I see so many people ask about 3D as if it's a, "Buy the program then you can do whatever you want with it" deal. It's not. I don't want to intimidate you DJP444, because you really can achieve some awesome stuff with your 3D software of choice if you apply yourself. But be prepared to really apply yourself.
Posted: Thu, 18th Jan 2007, 12:31pm

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Sollthar wrote:

"Easy" and 3D never go together, no matter really if cheap or not.
Zbrush is easy but it costs $500
Posted: Thu, 18th Jan 2007, 7:29pm

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I would suggest Animation Master but its about 300.00 USD. Build your model, texture it, animate it and produce an alpha channel AVI directly from it. Only add on I would suggest is a 3rd party texturing app which is under 50.00USD as I recall.

Ease of use, not all that easy but it will give you some great 3d animations you can use directly in CompLab Pro. We use it along with the FXHome software, Vegas, etc and it works great. It can produce animations that rival Pixlar, etc.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jan 2007, 12:38am

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As mentioned, 3d isn't easy. I use blender and love it. A program that is good but still costs money is Hexagon 2. Look that one up.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jan 2007, 1:03am

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I'll have to second Animation Master. A fun, well-thought out 3rd-party software with a reasonable price-tag and quite a few years of developing experience. There's a lot of free content included too. But every man to his own. Most people are pretty loyal to their one favorite 3D app, but they all accomplish pretty similar things. Obviously you will get price-dependant quality depending on how deep you pockets are... so i suggest anyone in the market researches so their money goes as far as possible.
Posted: Fri, 19th Jan 2007, 9:19pm

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I agree. Depending on the program, the more money you have the better, sometimes though you can be ripped off. I would recommend trying out some freeware 3d programs and trying out the more expensive ones either by trial version or finding someone you know who has it.
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2011, 12:56am

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if caligari.com is still giving away there truespace7.6 software i think you'll be hard press to find a 3d program thats any better at any price... but it is does have as steep learning curve.. it does give you all the tutorials for the program for free and is a complete 3d animation program
Posted: Sat, 2nd Apr 2011, 11:44pm

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The software you choose plays a big part in what you can do since some programs are more limited than others, but in my opinion, it's the individual persons skill and imagination that can create some pretty amazing things because you can use different programs, whether they are free or not in a work-flow that will help you achieve whatever it is that you wish to achieve.
For example... For the video provided in the link, I used Voodoo a free matchmoving program, Gimp a free photo manipulation program, Blender a free 3D modeling program and Visionlab which only cost me $499.00 If I recall correctly.

Here's the process that I used... in no particular order.

Voodoo was used to matchmove the scene.

I used Visionlab to create alpha mattes for the sky replacement as well as the actors. I then cleaned up the alpha mattes in Gimp, only because you can only get really tight alpha mattes to a certain extent in Visionlab, especially in the very fine detailed areas such as the individual hair strands for the female actor and where the mountain range meets the sky.

I created the textures for the dragon in Gimp.

I lit, textured and animated the Dragon in Blender.

I composited everything together in Visionlab.

Being that this was my first time attempting this, it took a while and the clip is only 2 seconds long.

The matchmove took maybe 15 minutes. The sky mattes took about 15 minutes including the roto work in Gimp but it was fairly simple. The actor mattes took about 4 hours since I had to do the hair strands individually one frame at a time. Texturing the dragon took the longest, 2 and a half days because I really wanted it to look good. Animating and lighting the dragon took about 6 hours in Blender. Compositing the entire scene in Visionlab took right around a half hour. That's a lot of work for one person but you get faster and more efficient the more you do it. Anyway... it's up to you concerning which software you want to use. So if it's not in your budget... think about what I just said because I used a bunch of free software and one payed for program on this scene.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qujqetacuOU
Posted: Wed, 6th Apr 2011, 1:24am

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Blender 3D animator, it is free. biggrin smile cool