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Toy Guns May Be BANNED!

Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 4:45am

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A bill introduced into the house To require the Consumer Product Safety Commission to ban toys which in
size, shape, or overall appearance resemble real handguns. (Introduced
in House)

HR 428 IH

110th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 428

To require the Consumer Product Safety Commission to ban toys which in
size, shape, or overall appearance resemble real handguns.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 11, 2007

Mr. TOWNS introduced the following bill; which was referred to the
Committee on Energy and Commerce

A BILL

To require the Consumer Product Safety Commission to ban toys which in
size, shape, or overall appearance resemble real handguns.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. BAN ON REALISTIC-LOOKING TOY HANDGUNS.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission shall promulgate a rule in
accordance with section 9 of the Consumer Product Safety Act (15 U.S.C.
2058) to declare as a banned hazardous product under section 8 any toy
which in size, shape, or overall appearance resembles a real handgun.
What do you guys think of this? This means all toy guns (if it gets passed), even orange tipped. Also, if it gets passed, it will apparently affect all airsoft and paintball as well. Keep your fingers crossed guys.

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Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 5:25am

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Wow that is crazy!! That would put a limit on making movies as well as having fun with airsoft and paintball... thanks for posting that NickD
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 5:45am

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that would all so mean the same thing for hollywood film makers ?
gee if they band us they have to band hollywood too
this is bad news if it pass
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 9:47am

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Call me crazy, but surely banning real handguns would yield better results than banning toy handguns?
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 10:03am

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Tarn wrote:

Call me crazy, but surely banning real handguns would yield better results than banning toy handguns?
Im not sure what they think it will achieve. I can undertand the whole "not wanting to glorify guns" thing, but surely banning toy guns would glorify them further.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 10:19am

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Maybe it's to prevent the police from accidentally shooting kids with toy guns. But, again, that would seem to be a problem more with real guns than with the toy guns. Seems like the usual political technique of focusing on a tangent so as to avoid the main issue.
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I blame tony blair.

But if they really want to deglorify guns then I think they should just rename them and all things associated with them with rediculous-non tough guy names, such as fluffykins. How many kids are gonna think its cool to run around waving their fluffykins at their friends.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 10:27am

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Seems like the usual political technique of focusing on a tangent so as to avoid the main issue.
Toy Guns are a fun business, real guns are the BIG BUCKS...

So if they have to ban one of those two, I'm not surprised they're going for the toy guns.



Though I entirely agree. I can't see the positive effect this action should have. Seems like just a random idea. Does accidental teenage shooting happen that often? I mean, surely more people get killed by other means?
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 10:35am

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Either way, Megatron will not be happy about this.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 12:20pm

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Nutbar wrote:

I blame tony blair.
I'm not sure Tony Blair has any influence in the US, I think he dances to the US tune not the other way around.

US film makers need not worry though - they can just use real guns instead of toys. There seem to be no moves to restrict access to them.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 2:52pm

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Maybe it's to prevent the police from accidentally shooting kids with toy guns.
Or maybe Jimmy really should have put the gun down when Bert the cop told him to.....
There have been chases where the chased man was yellling back to the cops 'it's a toy gun', but after it was over, it turned out that it was actually real. So, I don't blame cops, or the look of toy guns if some stupid kid gets himself shot. When Mr. policeman says 'drop it', you drop it, whether it's a toy or not. Then and only then tell him it's a toy. He's more likely to believe you when you're not brandishing it.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 2:53pm

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Well apparently there are some stupid cops out there:



wink
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 3:23pm

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Lol!
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 7:21pm

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Dude, that bill only has one sponsor and the guy's tried to get it past the committee three times I believe - nothing to worry about! wink

I'd be much more concerned about the Violent Crime Reduction Bill just passed in the UK, which will ban the sale and purchase of "Imitation Firearms" and "Realistic Imitation Firearms" from the 6th of April onwards.

Apparently, the only way to then be able to buy a paintball or airsoft gun is to register with a national database (still to be set up). It looks as if the validation period will be quite long, and you will be required to proof that you regularly engage in paintball or airsoft as a sporting activity.

Lucky for me, I live in Switzerland and have none of these problems! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 7:51pm

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I've notice that the bill is now trying to weasle its way through congressional oversight by way of the Department of Energy...

My biggest soapboxes to which I'll climb involve the welfare of children from predation and gun control/confiscation BS...

Yes- Mr Towns has tried to pass this bill at least 3 times in an effort to escalate the banning of all fire arms in the United States. At some point there'll be a bill that passes that has so much pork that it'll have no possiblity of veto or disaproval because everyone's constituency will be miffed at not getting their suck off the government teet...

Until then- call me a "Card Carryin' Jingoistic Gun Nut to The NRA" [yeah- I am- so what's your point?] but a bill like this has little chance of passage when the little Johnies and Joeys of the world that are shot full of holes Swiss-Cheese Style numbers in the 4s-n-5s per billion.

I can site only 3 examples of a "death by toy" here in the USA and in all 3 instances the KIA was made so because they flaunted that they had what was passed as real with full intent. No one on a film set, back yard or play field suffered such a fate.

Personally- I fear a government that fears my self-actualized responsibility to arm myself in the manner I see best to protect myself and my family- it's neither the governments responsibility to watch over me against thugs- nor is it the governments right to take self preservation away from me.

Toys?

Evidently the new Democratic controlled congress is still living in that make-believe world; they seem dedicated to irradicating the 'make-believe' elements before moving on to the real deal.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 8:59pm

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A bill like this will never be passed, it is almost an impossibility. It would destroy too many businesses and put too many people out of jobs.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 9:21pm

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I wonder if this would break the the rights to bear arms? But I agree it wouldn't pass.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 9:52pm

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This crap was passed numerous amounts of times, and will always fail. There is really no reason to even worry. I am a cop and I'm telling you that there are cautious cops out there (Not Stupid). I'm also telling you that even if they did ban toy guns you can still film movies with them. All you have to do is alert the authorities and that’s it. Right here in New York City you would be a fool if you wouldn’t do that anyways. If I see a person with a gun acting like he's shooting someone, and I see another person reacting to the shot in a certain angle where the cameras are not viewable; what would you think I would do? Some cops arrest people even knowing the guns are fake because you have to understand that a person with a real gun can roam the streets painting the tip orange. A little scare protects allot of people. In our time of terror crap going around especially after 9/11, I would think you guys would understand. Now cops that shoot kids with a super soaker, now that’s plain stupid; but the others are just doing their job to protect filmmakers, mothers, fathers, etc... If you were to film with guns, always alert the authorities if not ur putting urself and ur crew in danger, not just from cops but also people around you who are good Samaritans. As for the law. It will never go.
Posted: Mon, 29th Jan 2007, 11:48pm

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Yet again, It's considerably trying to read that sentence Lior. I would normally assume you would have to be a proficient typist to be a "Cop", but I'm apparently mistaken.



Russeal, I'm glad someone here can agree with me on real guns.



As for the topic at hand, I have to wonder what the motivation is for someone trying to place a ban on "Formed plastic".

Is there REALLY enough cases to warrant us paying tax dollars for a hearing so some inept senator can feel important?
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 12:05am

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Okay here is what I have gotta say.
Point 1:
I, like everyone else, is against it. It would ruin me making movies, as well as all of you.
Point 2:
Cops and Military are taking parts from high grade airsoft and using them in real guns has cheap, but highly effective, and as good quality, substitue.
Paintball guns are also a form of law enforcement and military training.
Point 3:
Cops are not very smart. Many say if you see one, immediately drop the gun. Well it is no use. Cops are on their toes knowing their lives are at risk, sometimes depending on the angle, they can't see the orange tip. But the cop motto is, "Shoor first, ask later." Law enforcement should realy be trained to use their head when a kid is running around with a m-16, to realy think, wtf it can't be real.
Point 4:
People are complete dumasses sometimes. One day I was filimg a movie with a friend. I was pointing a M-16 at him (the tips are painted), and he was pointing a Mp-5 at me. Then some lady drives up, and says, "You can't shoot guns within 10 miles of the city limits." Um..... *points gun at her "Give us the FUCKING PURSE!"
Realy, use your head. Camera in the premise. Two kids. M-16 and MP5. In the middle of a neighborhood street. DEE DEE DEEEEE (mind of mencia).

Ya, but it is stupid, but I doubt they will pass it. If so, lets go to Canada!
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 12:28am

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The two year old Bryce007 strikes again. That in itself would make an awesome movie.

To respond to the topic. It might seem stupid when a 10 year old or so holds a gun. Columbine proves that anything is possible. People said the same thing. In this neighborhood no violence will take place. They had an entire arsenal. My brothers from the south can tell you how easy it is to have access to a colt m16.It is also not for us to protect ourselves. It is mainly to protect the unarmed. It's very easy to paint a real gun on the tip as well. This law will never happen. I just get pissed when people think it's stupid to be cautious. Even an air soft was used once as a weapon here in NYC. It is just ignorant if people don't alert the authorities. You guys can say cops shoot first ask later. You have no idea how many cops are put through hell for not doing their jobs psychologically.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 3:33am

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Cops are not very smart. Many say if you see one, immediately drop the gun. Well it is no use. Cops are on their toes knowing their lives are at risk, sometimes depending on the angle, they can't see the orange tip. But the cop motto is, "Shoor first, ask later." Law enforcement should realy be trained to use their head when a kid is running around with a m-16, to realy think, wtf it can't be real.
Thats a bunch of crap. Cops are trained well to stay calm and think straight under pressure. I'd like to know who told you otherwise, or did you just tell yourself? I have met/known quite a few cops, my cousin being one of them. But they all say the same thing: the number of responses they have made and situations they have resolved are numerous, but the number of times they have drawn their gun they can count on one hand. The number of times they have actually shot there weapon while on duty, anywhere from 0-1.
So this "shoot first, ask later" bullcrap you speak of is just that bullcrap, nonsense. Cops are well trained and level headed guys who know how to handle just about each and every situation with caution. Don't use Dirty Harry as a reference for US law enforcement. wink

As for kids waving real m-16s, unlikely but sure as hell possible. In case you didn't know they are legally for sale, and just about anyone can get their hands on them if they want to.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 4:13am

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All I know is that I live in a less than sightly neighborhood where cops patrol with aggression, not caution. I've been pushed up against the hood of a cop car alongside my friend while filming in his own backyard, and the cop held a gun to the backs of our necks and called for backup. Thank god (and I'm not trying to be sexist here, just saying) a woman cop came to the backup call and laughed at the situation and told us to keep it in the yard.

And that's with orange tips, guys.

Maybe that's just one certain, uncommon instance (which in my area, it really isn't), but it certainly sets the idea for "shoot first, questions later" to motion in my mind. Even when they were filming Prison Break up at the diner where we filmed Cover's Story, the cop held his hand to his gun when Ben and I asked if we could take a look at what they were shooting, (Like we didn't already know-just thought it might help get a foot in the door at FOX. wink Can someone say "on the lot"? smile) and we were holding a camera. (A nifty GL2, for anyone who didn't know, which is quite intimidating, and could be considered a gun if referring to it's ability to kill the quality and competition of other 3CCD cams. That's right, I totally just plugged that.)
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Well put cinemafreak I agree 100%
Atom listen dude. You said a cop stuck a gun at u on public property am I correct? If so I can put out a report. We are not bad people. I'm tellin you. U might have got a guy trying to make a name for himself. This rarley happens. Now if the cop clearly saw the camera and found that you had a plastic weapon on public property and still stuck a gun to your head, that's illegal and I can place a report if you are living in the united states. But I can assure you this type of crap rarley ever happens. But like I said to be on the safe side always alert them before you shoot.
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First off, please fix your grammar and "u"s to "you"s. It makes your posts utterly intolerable to read. Secondly, I feel you as a cop, but frankly, does a report later even matter if a guns been pulled and you've been shot already? I don't think so. Besides feeling good and getting financial compensation, is that really helping the problem, or making that cop even more irritable and intolerable of fake-gun-provision and usage?
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Hey, sorry I tried to help. Wow some mouth you got. Are you sure u didin't speak to the cop. Then that explains everything.

As for the rest of the people on this site, this will never happen if people just take the time to alert. They will okay it and it will prevent problems.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 4:54am

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Let's keep on track guys . . .
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 12:02pm

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Thing to remember is some people (yes, even cops) are just plain stupid. Just like the guy that would punch you in the face for looking at him, cops can be flawed in the same way anyone else can be.
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I think I can see the reasoning behind the bill:

1) If toy guns are banned, then the police will know that someone holding a gun is a real one, so they don't shoot someone with a water pistol.

2) If toy guns are banned, then children are less likely to grow up loving guns.

If I'm right, then it'll never work. It'll never get passed because people will claim it's a form of oppression, and there's enough positive gun media saturation to make it futile anyway.
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CurtinParloe wrote:

2) If toy guns are banned, then children are less likely to grow up loving guns.
So that their game is it? To bring down the good old gun loveing rednecks. I have toy guns everywhere in my house. also I have a paint ball gun and an airsoft gun I own, if they banned them I'm going down while covering them with paint and BB's. But this sucks you came up with dumb bill?
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Like i said this bill was passed a million times before. It never will go through so it's not even worth stressing.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 3:34pm

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I think like any organizations, there is a mix of idiots and very intelligent people and everything else in between and the same applies to the police as anything else, including FXhome. Cops are humans too - they make mistakes like all of us. They are usually not liked because they represent "authority". Granted some cops give the whole profession a bad name sometimes and that's what people like to focus on. Not so sure why. They are heroes when they go die in crumbling buildings on TV but villains when they give you a ticket for going to fast and potentially killing someone... Go figure.

That being said, calling the authorities before you shoot using guns, plastic or blanks, only makes sense. Even if you are a kid. We always do. I don't know how it works south of the border, but here they place a report and even if concerned citizens call, they know it's us and we don't burden tax payers further by having a whole slew of cops showing up for nothing...

But even at that, it doesn't always work. Once we had diligently alerted authorities yet some lunatic neighbor had called screaming about a sniper on the roof so a whole SWAT team division showed up... But most of the time, it does work and it makes things easier on everyone, cops included. Nobody wants to show up on the scene of a shootout. Adrenaline is pumping, people fear for their lives, cops or not, and sometimes, some people react too fast. A lot of plastic guns, especially airsoft, are made to look realistic. And as Lior said, anybody can paint the tip of any gun orange... And kids can have access to real guns too. It happened here in Canada - heck, in some States in the US they have metal detectors in school and the country as a whole holds the world records for school shootings... by kids! So it is a bit unfair to ask cops to know more than what they can see... If you place a call to the correct district, they'll let you shoot your movie with plastic guns in peace. Not only that, it shows a certain level of social responsability.

We had a few other incidents with patrol stopping by but it usually involved fight choreography and make-up or just to have a look and chat.

Similarly, when we do pyro, we alert the fire department, if only because here they charge you if they come for nothing... And that ain't pretty.

As for the topic at hand, sounds like a typical politician move and fairly useless. I'd be very surprised if it would go anywhere.
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CurtinParloe wrote:

I think I can see the reasoning behind the bill:

1) If toy guns are banned, then the police will know that someone holding a gun is a real one, so they don't shoot someone with a water pistol.

2) If toy guns are banned, then children are less likely to grow up loving guns.

If I'm right, then it'll never work. It'll never get passed because people will claim it's a form of oppression, and there's enough positive gun media saturation to make it futile anyway.
For the most part you'd be correct, CP...

Still, this notion that there's some kind of "positive gun media saturation" has me both intrigued and perplexed...

For every single film or television prospect you can name, that "promotes a pro-gun granduer" I can almost guarrantee at least a one-for-one "anti-gun" news clip, film analogy or television reference of like kind.

Generalized, sweeping statements concerning "The Media" are simply that- generalized and sweeping- they're a broad brush that seldom requires a more defined answer than the ubiquitous "people, they or them..." that one might reference in a conversation. You know the type; "people say-", "they claim that..."; etc.

"The Media Bias" is self serving.

If one outlet makes "mono bucks" selling to the kung fu, gun or sleaze crowd, I'll guarrantee there's an equal number of other outlets denegrating those self same promotions.

Take a look at the publishers of just one set of computer magazines. You'll find that in some cases [certainly not all- that's a given] there's publishing houses that print magazines for Windows products and they'll also have a subsidiary that appears to be Mac products only- same company, covering "both bases".

One thing I've learned in my many years of time on this planet is that "The Media" whether film, television, print, web/net, news ad nauseum is out only for itself- there is no bias one way or the other concerning a given issue unless the person creating the references to that issue presents it themselves.

Certainly, if one is interested in telling a story that sheds deffamation to the gun mystique- by all means create it. By doing so, one has contributed to "The Media" generally but specifically made a claim on his or her stance on the subject at the same time.

Personally- I see weaponry- all manner of devise- as a tool. I attribute no "feeling" to the tools of this trade any more than I do to the subject generally because to do so feeds into "The Media's" self propogating hysteria that it needs to keep itself fed and growing.

A knife has a few different uses while an H&K MP5-N has a very specific purpose. Regardless of mechanization or simplicity, it is an inert devise, machine or "thing" that has no life given to it until it's picked up and used.

How either the gun or knife is portrayed in "The Media" is as varied as the views we have on the subject in this forum. None-the-less, it is a contrived offering- designed to illicit such responces.

Your view on the subject is totally and irrevocably correct. I'll never take that away from you or anyone else that has a fear or hatred of guns.

But then- my view on the subject is equally just as well.

And though I stand at the ready to maintain my right to not only retain that view but the physical trappings/possesions- I also have the calm to distill the hysteria from the equasion and look at the "feeling" view and ask why one would be more than willing to take it away from me.

Though not by some conglomerated "new world order" malarky- our opposing views are fed not only to incorporate sales into those feelings and opinions- but to promote a sense of urgent desire to form and solidify opinions based on that feeding.

"The Media" designed that way.

Excellent points made CP- all I ask is that we all look to this debate and ask ourselves- are we alliterating to what we know- or to what we feel? If we're "feeling it" then we're being fed something without benefit of dissection- most likely that outlet will not stand up to scrutiny if questioned.

If we "know a thing" then I'm more apt to believe we're speaking from our learned viewpoints based on our own questions and conclussions and not that of someone elses.

Good points- one and all.
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We interrupt this program for an old cliche that is still true:
Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
So any and all anti-gun crap is retarded. You could kill a person with a baseball bat. So let's ban whiffle-ball bats to prevent a generation of baseball bat-lovers from rising to power.

More people get killed by cars anyway...
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frodo1987 wrote:

So any and all anti-gun crap is retarded. You could kill a person with a baseball bat. So let's ban whiffle-ball bats to prevent a generation of baseball bat-lovers from rising to power.
No... anti gun 'crap' is not retarded. Anti toy gun crap is though.
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Second Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution. "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
As such, any person trying to outlaw guns in this country is trying to take away American rights.
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frodo1987 wrote:

Second Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution. "...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
As such, any person trying to outlaw guns in this country is trying to take away American rights.
and thats why it won't pass, sure congress might pass it but courts will reject it! thank God for check and Balances.
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Amen!
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 10:26pm

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Just a quick note here. I play paintball, the gun I have has been greatly modified and from a distance(and even up close) can resemble a sniper rifle. Me and four of my friends have walked down a back road that links all of our houses, this is a populated road, wearing full camo, paintball masks, carrying our guns and being loud. I think a great deal of this cops don't care about what your doing and people freaking out is also impacted by your location. The lower down you go in a city's economic housing areas the more resistance you will have use toy guns. and while the law may not be passed it is a good idea to think about location in addition to the necessary notification of the fuzz.

Theres my two cents.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 11:03pm

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Let's put this in Black-and-White:
Guns are bad.
Toy Guns aren't.
Now, to elaborate:
Guns can be okay.
Toy Guns can be dangerous if they are mistaken for real guns.
Hmm, a little contradictory, maybe there are some gray zones:
Guns are convincing.
MOST toy guns aren't convincing. Some, however, have no red tip and CAN be mistaken for real guns.
Let's take that back a second:
Guns can kill or hurt people and can be used for many illegal things.
Guns can also be used for normal things like killing animals or shooting pieces of paper...because that's normal.
Toy guns can't kill or hurt people but when they are mistaken for actual guns they can get the owners of them into trouble.
Toy guns can also be used to intimidate and frighten people in unnecessary and harmful ways.
So, to recap everything:
Gun guns are mostly bad, but can be used for legal things, which is why they are legal. But they're also mostly bad and used for crime.

Toy guns are mostly good and used for child's play, filming, and recreation. Under certain extenuating cirumstances, however, toy guns are bad. They can be mistaken for real guns and be problematic and/or harmful and may or may not result in people getting shot by gun guns. But they're mostly good.

Hope this clarified everything for you guys. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 11:26pm

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Nice breakdown Jmax biggrin
And I agree with MultiWagon about location. But not only should the one carrying the toy gun be aware of the location but also the person observing about to call athourities. Just like that one lady who drove up to me and my friend in the middle of the neighborhood, with an mp5 and m16, pointing them at eachother, saying we can't shoot those in city limits. =/
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 1:26am

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"national database" --- sounds a lot like "red dawn"/"equilibrium" controlling gov.

don't they realize that banning toy guns will only make it worse
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 1:41am

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frodo1987 wrote:

We interrupt this program for an old cliche that is still true:
Guns don't kill people; people kill people.
So any and all anti-gun crap is retarded. You could kill a person with a baseball bat. So let's ban whiffle-ball bats to prevent a generation of baseball bat-lovers from rising to power.

More people get killed by cars anyway...
Yes but guns provide a much quicker, easier and somewhat less personal way of killing people than clubs and baseball bats. Guns don't kill people, but they sure as hell provide an easy way to kill people for those that want to.

Don't get me wrong, I am not an anti-gun activist. I like shooting guns and am an award winning marksman, but the opposition's arguement does make sense.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 3:16am

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Multiwagon wrote:

Just a quick note here. I play paintball, the gun I have has been greatly modified and from a distance(and even up close) can resemble a sniper rifle. Me and four of my friends have walked down a back road that links all of our houses, this is a populated road, wearing full camo, paintball masks, carrying our guns and being loud. I think a great deal of this cops don't care about what your doing and people freaking out is also impacted by your location. The lower down you go in a city's economic housing areas the more resistance you will have use toy guns. and while the law may not be passed it is a good idea to think about location in addition to the necessary notification of the fuzz.

Theres my two cents.
So I'm not the only one who walks around like that, But your are right about the the amount of cops their are in the lower economic housing. But one thing does amaze me though, their never a cop car near or around the police station, At least where I live.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 4:37am

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Gun guns are mostly bad, but can be used for legal things, which is why they are legal. But they're also mostly bad and used for crime.
First off, it is impossible for an inanimate object to be inherently bad. Only the person wielding it in an illegal manner is. Secondly, just because something can be used to kill/harm/intimidate people doesn't automatically doesn't make it 'mostly bad'. I can rattle off a few things right now that are frequently used in the world of crime: cars, bags, rope, halloween masks, knives, gloves, crowbars, chains, sledgehammers, the list goes on.

They're always picking on guns, but look at all the other things used for crime! Somebody'd better start a petition to ban those things and more. [/sarcasm]
I guess my ultimate point in simple English is, blame the evil people - not the inanimate object.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 4:49am

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OK, this is starting to turn into another gun debate. Can we look at it from a more film-minded perspective and keep this kind of talk to the ongoing gun debate thread?

Thanks,
NickD
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 2:51pm

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NickD wrote:

OK, this is starting to turn into another gun debate. Can we look at it from a more film-minded perspective and keep this kind of talk to the ongoing gun debate thread?

Thanks,
NickD
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NickD your right, for if this bill is pass, this would be bad for all of us. We could no longer make good aiction films. we have to good back to the stone age of acition which is killing poeple with our bare hands and baseball bats.
NickD I hope this helps, but no matter how hard we try it will turn back into another gun debate about weather or not they should be in movies anyway.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 4:41pm

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While this bill seems as unlikely to pass as the draft bills that show up.

But, my question is what would you devote your filming to if toy guns were banned?

Would I see a sudden shift to drama or comedy?

Just curious what all the exclusively action film (BTW I like action films) people on this forum would do.

Possibly an increase in fantasy action films-that is as long as toy swords will be allowed.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 5:13pm

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I never thought about Kolchin, and thats very good points you have. AS for a sudden shift to drama or comedy, I see more of shift closer to comedy, becasue drama can lead to guns. comedy could be use to make fun of the bill if passed.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 7:40pm

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comedy
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 9:14pm

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Well, that's interesting because I always make comedies with guns. razz My comedies wouldn't be the same without them.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 10:24pm

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RusSEAL wrote:


Still, this notion that there's some kind of "positive gun media saturation" has me both intrigued and perplexed...

For every single film or television prospect you can name, that "promotes a pro-gun granduer" I can almost guarrantee at least a one-for-one "anti-gun" news clip, film analogy or television reference of like kind.
I should clarify that when I refer to "pro-guns in the media", I'm including all the TV shows and movies, but more importantly the news, where soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan are the peace-keepers, carrying guns. Whilst there are opponents to the whole Iraq thing, very few would argue against the soldiers carrying guns in a dangerous environment, or that they are the "bad guys".
Then again, I could be missing anti-gun news stories...


EDIT: Forget that, it's not the thread for it wink
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 8:51am

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Kolchin wrote:

While this bill seems as unlikely to pass as the draft bills that show up.

But, my question is what would you devote your filming to if toy guns were banned?

Would I see a sudden shift to drama or comedy?

Just curious what all the exclusively action film (BTW I like action films) people on this forum would do.

Possibly an increase in fantasy action films-that is as long as toy swords will be allowed.
There is no reason you cannot make an action film without guns, you just have to be creative. If someone walks into a cafe and pulls a banana out of his pocket and starts waving it around and everyone reacts to it as if it were a gun people will know its supposed to be a gun. Of course it might turn into a bit of an action-comedy.