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Who got Windows Vista? Share your first impressions please

Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 2:04pm

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I was wondering if anyone here actually bought Windows Vista and, if so, what you think of it.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 2:06pm

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Has it come out already? eek
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 2:12pm

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came out today
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 2:16pm

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unsure I can't believe I wasn't on top of this! I knew it was coming out and all, but I forgot when it was coming out. so now every one knows I don't have it yet. but I would like to know what others think too. plus how much is it?
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 2:39pm

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Buying an OS the same day it's released? unless you've got a really, really good reason to, I'd give it abit of time.

I personally will probably wait for a couple of month, maybe a year.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 2:41pm

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We've installed Vista Business Edition on a couple of machines where I work.

MS have tightened up a lot of irritating visual niggles from XP - like using common interfaces for various things (picture viewing and media player 11 for example) and giving you more meaningful information when doing tricky tasks prone to failure (like scanning for/join networks).

Theres also some nice new systems like Meeting Place, the new equivalent of NetMeeting; allowing the sharing of applications and screens and files for collaberative workflow projects etc.

They've sped up/fixed a few other things too, like communication and compatibility with samba.

But for every point that they've fixed, they've left another legacy issue unfixed and in many cases have created brand new issues - like the constant prompts for doing this, that and the other when you do even the most minor of installations or configuration changes.

Oh and don't even think about switching the 'Theme' to Windows Classic, while you have the side-bar enabled. Ugly. As. Hell.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 6:42pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Buying an OS the same day it's released? unless you've got a really, really good reason to, I'd give it abit of time.

I personally will probably wait for a couple of month, maybe a year.
I don't see why it matters if you buy it sooner or later. After all, it is better than XP.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 7:42pm

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Compatibility, stability, and driverless hardware...

Mainly my reasons.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 7:59pm

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I checked out display model at best buy and I laughed when I found that microsoft copied Apple's Widgets but called them gadgets.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 8:12pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Compatibility, stability, and driverless hardware...

Mainly my reasons.
I've been running the Windows Vista RC1 for several months, and I can tell you right now:

1) This was only a release candidate, and its already much more stable than XP.

2) I have installed it on two self-built desktop computers, one Dell XPS gaming laptop and my Toshiba T4210 Tablet PC... and Vista either included drivers for ALL of the hardware on all of these machines, or connected to Windows Update after installation and got them for me automatically. A helluvalot less hassle than I ever had installing XP, all my hardware seems perfectly compatible.

3) I have yet to find a program I commonly use that doesn't run flawlessly on Vista.

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Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 11:01pm

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So if you upgrade to Vista from XP do you still have all of your files and programs and stuff?

Dancamfx wrote:

I checked out display model at best buy and I laughed when I found that Microsoft copied Apple's Widgets but called them gadgets.
Heh, Darth Penguin noticed that they copied it too from a screen shot I showed him. I don't really care though, he's always been saying how Macs have so much better interfaces so now Window's will be a bit more equal.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 11:14pm

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For anyone interested in some benchmark comparisons between XP and Vista, the following is an excellent read:

Windows XP vs. Vista: The Benchmark Rundown
Tom's Hardware

In short, as of right now, graphics & media applications run slower under Vista than they do under XP. This is particularly evident when encoding.

As the conclusion states, though, there are good reasons why apps may run slower: Because Vista does more in the background. The following is from the article's conclusion:

Vista is the better Windows, because it behaves better, because it looks better and because it feels better. But it cannot perform better than Windows XP. Is this a K.O. for Windows Vista in the enthusiast space?

If you really need your PC to finish huge encoding, transcoding or rendering workloads within a defined time frame, yes, it is. Don't do it; stay with XP. But as long as you don't need to finish workloads in record time, we believe it makes sense to consider these three bullet points:

* Vista runs considerably more services and thus has to spend somewhat more resources on itself. Indexing, connectivity and usability don't come for free.

* There is a lot of CPU performance available today! We've got really fast dual core processors, and even faster quad cores will hit the market by the middle of the year. Even though you will lose application performance by upgrading to Vista, today's hardware is much faster than yesterday's, and tomorrow's processors will clearly leap even further ahead.

* No new Windows release has been able to offer more application performance than its predecessor.
Personally, I'm sticking with XP x64 for 6 to 12 months and then will move to Vista 64-bit. By that time I'm presuming Vista SP1 will be out too.
Posted: Tue, 30th Jan 2007, 11:25pm

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Aw, ELab already runs slow for me. sad
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 3:05am

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Ill be waiting till the next Service Pack comes out for Vista before gettin it.

I dont feel i "need" it... therefor i can more than afford to wait till the price drops and so do some of the bugs.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 8:57pm

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If Vista does have problems (which it doesn't seem to) doesn't it seem like Windows Updates would correct them?
I tried it out a bit in Staples and its interface is awesome! I...NEED...IT!!!
I’m guessing if you get it you don’t loose any files or programs you had on XP. Right?
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 8:58pm

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Buy a Mac kid wink
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:08pm

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heh, I'm not gonna start arguing that Windows is better because I know the post would just be deleted and...I kinda do like Mac but, I'm used to Windows, I have a Windows version of ELab, and there's no chance my mom would buy a new computer and there's even less of a chance that I'd have enough money for one any time soon or would want to spend that much money on one any time soon. And Vista looks good. wink
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:09pm

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Vista does look nice, I have to admit
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:11pm

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It's a miracle! Vista will end the seemingly endless debate of Mac vs. PC!!!...well maybe not.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:13pm

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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

Vista will end the seemingly endless debate of Mac vs. PC!!!...
Over my dead body wink
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Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:17pm

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Don't start with a Mac VS. PC here. I've read FAR too many articles online about how Vista copies Mac OS X. They ain't copying, they're taking the good and adapting it slightly to fit their needs, as every other competitive industry giant does and will do in the future.

Now if I was a PC user, I'd wait a year or so before upgrading; too much stuff can go wrong with an initial upgrade, especially a from-the-ground-up one. Hell, just look at the earliest versions of Mac OS X. And due to all the media-centric tasks I perform all the time, I'd probably wait until I got a new computer.

But I'm a Mac user, and the latest versions of OSX run smoother than did the first, and this five year old beaut' still does what I need it to, and will for years to come.

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Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:19pm

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Yeah. I waited a few months before going to Tiger and Intel, and I'm going to wait a few months before going to Leopard.

Likewise, I will wait to upgrade my virtual machine to Vista, but it does look cool I must admit, even if they did copy a lot from Apple.

NickD
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 7:28am

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yeh but Vista's new features are already old to mac users, and vista will be stoneage when leapard is release - go time machine!

I'm hearing alot of negative views on vista, but most of those should change I guess in a year or so when things start to calm.

I'll be keeping xp on my mac for a while as I use it mainly for gaming, and Vista doesn't perform as well as xp for games.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 11:19am

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I think comparing Mac OSX and Vista is a little silly. The major strengths of each platform - Mac and PC, are still very much the same as they always have been.

There's no point at all in drawing comparisons between Vista and OSX, as they in no way affect each other. People should really be looking at how Vista improves over XP because that's what it's here to replace. The Mac remains the media machine, and the PC remains the general, office, 3D Design and gaming platform. Simple.

I'll be upgrading to Vista, probably sooner than I had planned simply because I'm reaching a brief period where having an absolutely stable home computer is no longer a necessity and more of a luxury - so for the sake of having a new toy I'm willing to put up with some teething issues. It'll be interesting to see if Vista will make the PC users life any different.

In any case, at home - I'm a gamer so I've little alternative.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 1:30pm

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I'm not sure I understand how an OS is supposed to be unstable when it's released, is it incompatibilities? Or because it has less security? Does it completely crash for no reason?
Microsoft says Vistas supposed to be secure and stuff and wouldn't Windows Updates automatically fix problems?
It sounds good from what alpha54 and Hendo said...and even somewhat Xcession!!! eek
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 1:35pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Compatibility, stability, and driverless hardware...
That's one reason, really. And to most extents - I agree.

Vista have an upgrade advisor application over on the site, I'd suggest running that Jabooza.. Because if that says you're good with your current setup you should be ok.

Keep in mind though that alot of software companies are yet to upgrade their software to vista editions and so as not to risk being stuck without a couple of applications it's a good idea to wait a little while.

Aside from the expected issues whenever a new OS is released, Vista is meant to be very secure/good.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 1:53pm

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I ran the upgrade advisor and it says I need more RAM which I kinda should get anyways if I'm gonna be running something like ELab because I only started with 512 MB and now I only have 384. So maybe I'll get Vista at some point after I've got the RAM.
The upgrade advisor also says what programs might have problems on Vista so I'll know about that too before I get it.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 9:31pm

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You may have already read up on this Hybrid but being a gamer it might be worth the read.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 10:15pm

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NuttyBanana wrote:

yeh but Vista's new features are already old to mac users, and vista will be stoneage when leapard is release - go time machine!
This is true for some things but not for time machine...Vista has a Undelete feature I believe, which is basically the same thing as time machine, but just not as pretty. There are some things that are just plain superior, like media center vs front row. Media center is much better in my opinion. and yes i have experience with both.



I'll be keeping xp on my mac for a while as I use it mainly for gaming, and Vista doesn't perform as well as xp for games.

True, but as game studio's start designing games for vista than that should change.

I think that Hybrid brought up a good point, debating whether vista is better than mac os x is really not the issue. Until mac os x is realeased so that it can be installed on pc machines than you can start comparing the two. But for now i think its all depends on what you plan on doing with the computer. Although I don't think there is anything a mac can do that a pc can't or vice versa.

I have personal vendetta agianst apple but that doesnt stop me from using there stuff. They do have some spectacular programs. I dont think its the OS that sells mac for me its Ilife. and there other programs like final cut and comiclife....Comic life is a brilliant program! I wish microsoft Office would transform into like Microsoft Home or something and I could get a bunch of good easy-to-use programs....but that just wouldn't be micrsoft....
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 10:49pm

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NuttyBanana wrote:

You may have already read up on this Hybrid but being a gamer it might be worth the read.
Hey, yeah. I've read up on this and I'm not really surprised by the results. DX10 is really going to make Vista a necessity for gamers, even if some games run ever-so-slightly slower initially.

I'm interested in seeing how the Fxhome software will run, along with my other web/3d/video applications. If the environment is in any way nicer or easier to manage than XP then I'm sold. Also secretly looking forwards to the media centre to X360 stuff.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 12:43pm

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ive got vista business and to be honest alot of the changes apart from the obvious visual ones are behind the scenes and i dont know about the home versions but this one is crazy sensitive to changes made on the system and seems like it makes a fuz about everything, which when your first setting it up is annoying as your installing loads but after a while it doesnt really bother you.

im installing office 2007 today so looking forward to seeing the changes.

and as for visionlab it runs fine except for one unresolved problem, when it starts up it imports the presets again like it does when you first install it, lucky it only takes a around half a min!

my only real problem so far is getting used to the black taskbar... would rather have silver :s
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 12:54pm

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NickD wrote:

Buy a Mac kid wink
No thanks

Also I feel that I have to point out that gadgets and widgets have been in various versions of linux for years. Thats were Apple copied it from. Also they both suck. If I bought Vista (which I won't) then thats the first thing that I would turn off.

Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

I'm not sure I understand how an OS is supposed to be unstable when it's released, is it incompatibilities? Or because it has less security? Does it completely crash for no reason?
Its because in the PC world hardware is made by all different manufacturers. Many of these will not have released Vista drivers yet. Also because of Vista's DRM, a whole swathe of devices that they deem unsuitable for protected content won't even work. My DVD drive for instance!
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ssj john wrote:

Until mac os x is realeased so that it can be installed on pc machines than you can start comparing the two.
I wouldn't hold my breath for that...
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 7:12pm

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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

I'm not sure I understand how an OS is supposed to be unstable when it's released, is it incompatibilities? Or because it has less security? Does it completely crash for no reason?
When XP was first released, in my experience it was awful to work with. It literally crashed tons and at least once a day on a new out-of-the-shop computer. Thank god updates made it miles more stable.

Just got Vista today, I liked it when beta testing, looking forward to installing it on a spanking new harddrive later.

Edit:

Installed. Pretty damn good, I haven't had any software incompatibility issues yet and everything works really fast. In addition, some games like FEAR run faster on Vista. FEAR's graphics used to stutter a bit when I had XP (even on clean reinstall, new HD), but now I can run everything maximum and it's as smooth as anything. Odd.
Posted: Sun, 4th Feb 2007, 8:43pm

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I've got Vista Ultimate currently installed, and it runs like hell. About the combination of Vista and Visionlab:

Works great! Loading goes well, no problems with importing so far, and the render still outputs the PNG as it should be.

I also found one bug: I cannot insert the numbers you see at the right hand side of many slides by using the keyboard. (so only sliding by mouse will work. This is annoying for fine tune purposes).

I must admit I haven't tested all functions of Visionlab, but as far as I can see for now, you don't have to worry about this product.

EDIT BY MVB: The bug don't appears to be a bug after all (phoef)! Restarting Visionlab solved the problem. Don't dare to ask me what caused it in the first place wink
Posted: Mon, 5th Feb 2007, 6:40pm

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Is it true that Microsoft have "cracked down" on all file sharing programs (Limewire, Torrents etc.) ?

Not that I care but a friend told me (hey, i trust him)

Still... MAC OSX FTK!
Posted: Mon, 5th Feb 2007, 6:52pm

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Please don't turn this thread into a Mac vs. PC debate.
Posted: Mon, 5th Feb 2007, 7:10pm

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I wasn't trying to.

I was just simply stating which I prefer.
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Got Vista Home Premium for my laptop, and I really love it. For some reason it runs a LOT faster and smoother than XP, and it looks a lot better too. Might be a while before I upgrade my workstation desktop computer, because of possible bugs working with video and stuff like that. Although it is great and easy the best version of Windows ever.
Posted: Mon, 5th Feb 2007, 9:50pm

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Kid wrote:

Also I feel that I have to point out that gadgets and widgets have been in various versions of linux for years.
He.. He said it! He said it! Dammit Apple, stop copying Linux. I mean it's almost safe to say that Macs run on linux. Linux, like OS X(aka FreeBSD with a pretty GUI) is a branch off of UNIX.

As for Vista. Well, Vista is Vista. I'm only excited for Direct X 10 and the new games that will be fueled by it. I gotta say it sure looks good but that's not the thing I'm looking for. I might give it a shot in a few months but I'm in no hurry.

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Is it true that Microsoft have "cracked down" on all file sharing programs (Limewire, Torrents etc.)?
Nope. They'd have to step in other OS's territory and buy opensource software. Which is like trying to breath in space.

ssj john wrote:

Until mac os x is realeased so that it can be installed on pc machines than you can start comparing the two.
It can. It's just illegal. Unless you have a 64-bit processor you wouldn't have any problems. You'd just download and compile a few UNIX drivers for graphics cards and such.
Posted: Tue, 6th Feb 2007, 12:24am

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Digerati Media wrote:

Is it true that Microsoft have "cracked down" on all file sharing programs (Limewire, Torrents etc.) ?
I've not heard anything about that. However, I do know they're working on their own file sharing program Codenamed Avalanche.
Posted: Tue, 6th Feb 2007, 1:11am

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I think I'll wait several months at least before upgrading to Vista.

Perhaps with my next random gaming PC. Which I might never buy.
smile
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TimmyD wrote:

ssj john wrote:

Until mac os x is realeased so that it can be installed on pc machines than you can start comparing the two.
I wouldn't hold my breath for that...
Not so sure about that. I'm pretty sure that you can install OSX on certain PC machines, just it's not legal. I'm quite sure it has been done before, though.
Posted: Tue, 6th Feb 2007, 1:56am

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Yeah, the OSX86 project is dedicated to illegally hacking OS X to run on PCs. It's illegal though. Apple most likely will not ever release Os X legally to run on PCs.
Posted: Wed, 7th Feb 2007, 9:52pm

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I'll let my pal Anthony sum up my thoughts for you, with this handy how-to-install video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54ypt_FzRAk

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