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Is FinalCut Pro Good or Sony Vegas

Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:11am

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I might buy either of FinalCut Pro or Sony Vegas. If all fxhomers don't mind, I would like opinions and recommends for either of these programs.

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Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:42am

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Final Cut Pro is pretty much the best you can get, as far as I'm aware. It's regularly used in professional television and film productions and is the one I'd personally use if given the choice.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 11:27am

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Final Cut Pro is pretty much the best non-linear editing progi there is. Even alot of Avid Cutters are changing to Final Cut Pro, because there are alot of things, which FCP can do better than Avid.
Once u got to know the prog. it easy really easy. I would also recommend that u learn the shortcuts right away, because it increases the workflow ALOT...

So, go for Final Cut Pro (it costs an arm and a leg though !!!)
Dont know how much Sony Vegas costs ... sad

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Just to let you know the "real world" difference between Final Cut and Avid:

The last television commercial I did that aired on regional cable, I had to take to the cable outlet for transfer off MiniDV and onto 3/4inch. The cable outlet said they always had to transfer onto their NLE to check audio levels.
So there I was, camera and tape in hand. I told the tech I always dealt with, "Hey, you got a new NLE."
"Yeah, the company bought a new turn-key Avid system. I still keep my own Mac with Final Cut as a backup."
So we tried to download the tape off my camera (Sony VX-2100) using Avid. No go. Complete lockup of the Avid turnkey system. So he put the tape into their JVC MiniDV unit and tried to input with Avid. Still no go. Another complete lockup.
"This is useless," the guy said. "I've had this problem since the company got this thing."
The company let him use his own Mac with Final Cut Pro shortly after that.

I'd be using Final Cut now if I had the money. Okay, probably not. All my other software is PC-based, and that includes Sony Vegas. Switching at this point in my business would not make good monetary sense.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 4:08pm

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I work in video production myself. We have an AVID Xpress system here in house, but normally I go to a post house that uses an AVID Nitris system for the edit. I also have Sony Vegas on my production PC here in my office for laying things out or other uses-
A friend of mine is a producer for our local PBS station (WOSU Columbus) and he is a certified Final Cut guy- he has cut three documentaries on it for broadcast in the past year or so-

The bottom line is this:
All of them have DV in - DV out, it's not like you can't get a broadcasat quality program out of Premiere Pro, Final Cut, Vegas, or whatever - you can!

What I feel Vegas, FCP, and Premiere Pro offer is an integrated multimedia editing environment which is perfectly suited to todays "desktop production" environment- I can drop MPEG's MP3's quicktimes, AVI's jpegs, even a flash file!!! - just about anything onto a Vegas timeline and edit together something for a presentation- try doing that with AVID Xpress!! NO. Recently we needed to capture DVCPRO50 footage into our AVID Xpress- guess what? NO CAN DO- that codec wasn;t supported on the software we have- Final Cut? You bet! Vegas? FREE codec download from Sony to upgrade Vegas to support DVCPRO50- AVID? Sorry, gotta buy the next package for 5000$.

What I LIKE about AVID-
Tight workflow, excellent media management, great interfacing with pro gear.

But when it comes to features:performance:cost ratio FCP, Premiere Pro and Vegas kick the crap out of AVID, with cost being the bigest variable. What you have to spend to get AVID to do what FCP or Vegas does is crazy, but honestly a fully tricked out AVID Nitris ROCKS (IF you have 200,000 to spend wink )

If you are a Mac guy and have a powerful machine, I'd say go for FCP. If you have a PC, I like Vegas, but I have also got my company looking at the production bundle from Adobe including Premiere Pro as an all in one alternative to the AVID for certain things- there are some great features in there! All of these packages are very powerful and you can't really go wrong with FCP, Vegas,or Premiere Pro.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 7:00pm

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I use final cut pro and the only program better than it is avid. But avid costs A TON!
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Rating: +1

Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 8:55pm

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Amen ^

Sorry for the huge image, but is it not beautiful?



Come on, that is the most beautiful thing on earth.

NickD
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 8:57pm

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FCP all the way. If money is an issue, then go for FCE.

You will also have a blast with Motion. If you want to do real-time keying (even HD), pick dvGarage's dvMatte Blast for Motion 2.
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:03pm

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Nick, I was gonna do the same thing razz

...And as for what ccirelli said, I use FCE, personally, and I'm in love with it. Hell, the almighty SOLLTHAR is just wrapping up NightCast... in FCE. NightCast, being a feature length film, seems pretty intense, and it's done in FCE, so that just gives you a little idea of the power the suite holds. All for $299 (less with student discounts).
Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:07pm

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Also, add on to what Timmy said, more and more plugins are now available for FCE as well as FCP, so you get a lot of options. Plus they're adding more FCP features in with every update.

+1 for being an FC geek Timmy wink

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Posted: Wed, 31st Jan 2007, 9:09pm

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I mentioned the suite above... Final Cut Express comes with LiveType and Soundtrack. LiveType you may not find much use for (I havent), but you'll love soundtrack. Check out the whole thing: www.apple.com/finalcutexpress
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I do wish I had Motion though, so I might look at upgrading to FCP sometime in the future.
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i've never used avid myself so i can't give you an informed view on that one i'm afraid.

what i can say is that a few months ago i purchased final cut studio, and yes it does cost alot. however its money well worth spending if you can stretch to it. i was used to adobe premier before FCP and i have to say it was a MASSIVE learning curve getting used to the new program, but with a lot of hours spent playing around i'm finally getting used to it.

for me its final cut all the way. smile
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 1:36am

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What you're seeing here is the normal overly-rabid response of mac people. And they're absolutely right, FCP is more or less the standard in NLE's right now. However if you talk to people who have used both FCP and Vegas extensively, I think you'll find that most will tell you that they personally prefer Vegas. It's often refered to as the industry's "best kept secret" because it just hasn't received the exposure and attention that anything made by Apple or Adobe does. Oh, and it sells for less.

In the end though, do you want to go Mac or PC? That pretty quickly decides which one to go with. There is of course the 3rd option: do you want the tight integration of Premeire with other Adobe products? If you wait, you'll be able to get Premeire on Mac or PC.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 2:02am

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thefiddler wrote:

What you're seeing here is the normal overly-rabid response of mac people. And they're absolutely right.
Thanks biggrin
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 2:28am

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Well, the Mac or PC option is up to you, don't dare start that argument here; not only will it get out of hand, fast, it's also not allowed.

Premiere will be available for the Mac in the near future, and both Apple and Premiere offer terrific integration with their other products. Let's look at a breakdown:

With Apple, you get integration between:
  • Final Cut Itself
  • Soundtrack
  • Livetype
  • Motion (Final Cut Studio)
  • DVD Studio Pro (Final Cut Studio)
  • Compressor (Final Cut Studio)
  • The Mac OS X Operating System, which is great for countless things...
  • And limited integration with Adobe After Effects and Photoshop.


With Adobe you get integration between:
    Premiere
  • After Effects
  • Photoshop
  • Other Adobe products (someone else, I'm sure, can add)


Now this is just on the Mac platform, and it is a comparison between Final Cut and Adobe Premiere, not Vegas. I've never used Vegas and I haven't used a PC regularly for five years.

It's up to you...
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 3:55am

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so whats the difference between FCE and FCP what things are you not getingwith express that you get with pro?
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 3:57am

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I've probably used them all, for around seven years now, since a very first incarnation of both Premiere and Final Cut. I started my hardcore editing days on Final Cut Pro 2 but briefly switched back to Premiere, then Vegas, then Avid (to learn it).

Where do I find myself now?

Nothing compares to Final Cut Pro for its implementation as a non linear editing suite. It incorporates features in terms of ease of use that the other programs just dont have. It still has its niggles, and I still have problems. But for an all out creative freedom whilst editing it remains the leader. Without a doubt, its with no irony that the great and brilliant Walter Murch now edits all his feature films on Final Cut Pro. Christ! He edited Cold Mountain on 4 G4 computers using Final Cut Pro 4 in the beta stage.

I've heard good things about the recent Sony Vegas. But I wouldnt ever want to edit movies on a windows based system. Whilst I edit, I want to have complete control and be free to navigate around my workflow. It is with that simple reason I recommend Final Cut Pro.

Online or offline. FCP please.
Posted: Thu, 1st Feb 2007, 4:05am

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I use Final Cut Studio:

Final Cut Pro
Soundtrack pro
Live Type
Motion
DVD Studio Pro

And I got Shake too.
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My friend and I do broadcast video all the time (about three times a month) and we used to use a Videonics mixer, but since he bought an iMac with the Production Studio, we've been using that.

And yes, while the multi-camera support and the mock-up 'mixing' is good, we still find ourselves turning to Vegas to fix little aspect or color correction problems at ease. The fact that Vegas works seamlessly with DVD Architect Pro and CineScore is a plus, because my DVD Architect menus look alot better and less preset-ish than those on iDVD or whatever the Mac DVD Author is.

Bottom line: yes, FCP is good, and it works well for how easy it is to use. But thefiddler has it right on Vegas being the "best kept secret." It's an incredibly powerful tool; don't believe me? Look at how insanely intricately edited the sound and visuals are on Bryce007's 'Imminent". The flickers all over the place and the nuances of foley are a product of not only time and effort, but also of Vegas' power and capabilities.

That's my 2 cents, at least. And for the record, Avid sucks.
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thefiddler wrote:

What you're seeing here is the normal overly-rabid response of mac people. And they're absolutely right, FCP is more or less the standard in NLE's right now. However if you talk to people who have used both FCP and Vegas extensively, I think you'll find that most will tell you that they personally prefer Vegas. It's often refered to as the industry's "best kept secret" because it just hasn't received the exposure and attention that anything made by Apple or Adobe does. Oh, and it sells for less.

In the end though, do you want to go Mac or PC? That pretty quickly decides which one to go with. There is of course the 3rd option: do you want the tight integration of Premeire with other Adobe products? If you wait, you'll be able to get Premeire on Mac or PC.
Nah, I've used both and FCP IMO wins everytime. As someone said, once you know how to use FCP, you can't go wrong.
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Vegas shouldn't even be compared to Final Cut Pro (even if a couple of huge Vegas fans would like to think it should be) as FCP is a totally different level. I don't know a single professional who uses Vegas (even outside of work) where I know many tens of professionals editors and motion graphics people using FCP, Avid and even a couple who use Premiere (because of the strong integration with other Adobe products).

Vegas is much closer to Final Cut Express. It seems a bit odd to compare software which is single platform anyway - one only on Windows the other only on Mac OS X. Are you going to be buying a whole computer based on this decision?
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I've tried Final cut pro and find it decent. I've used the fully integrated adobe package and find it painfully slow (Plus I dislike their interfaces)


If your talking about PC, get Vegas. Since version 7 came out, I just about can't use anything else because of the brilliant snapping tools and render times. It's preview function KILLS anything I've seen, save FCP on a good mac. And the easily customized layout and keyboard functions are so convenient, it's funny.


And yes, I think Vegas should be considered alongside FCP, and here's why.

I hear ALL THE TIME when I tell someone I'm a film maker and they immediately go "Oh, You use uh...whats it called...G5 and final cut?"
That IS the reason FCP has it's place in so many pro's lineup. Perceived professionalism.

Because it's "Industry standard", sort of alongside AVID. I can tell you right now, FCP truly isn't a "Better" editor, or a "More Professional" editor. Its a "Standard" editor.

Editors can only be judged on their users ability to edit with them. You can edit DV with quite a few programs out there. I think a better way to compare NLE's is the extra features and whether the existing features are of "Higher quality" (IE Color correction tools, compositing tools, titling tools), and stability/speed.

Just because people in the industry use it doesn't mean it's better. Infact, from what I've seen from local film students and commercial producers, It's what they're told to get when they inquire as to which NLE to purchase. Thus, they think: FCP=PRO. (self propagating reputation anyone?)

But I digress. Vegas is more easily utilized, cheaper and faster.

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But Final Cut is simply better. smile


Heh, no. I can't compare, haven't ever worked with Vegas so I don't know. What I do know though is that Final Cut is the sex when it comes to editing, color correcting, even basic compositing.

Workflow / Design / Easy of Use = Final Cut is the best I've used yet, by far.
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Well, I don't know any "Pros" in the local market shooting on DigiBeta, but it doesn't mean it isn't a pro format.
(most people just made the leap from Beta SP to DVCPRO50 without going to DigiBeta) and of course now HDV is looming...

Everyone has their preference of workflow, and YES some programs do SOME things better than other programs, but I keep waiting for someone to illustrate 10 things that FCP or AVID can do that I couldn't get Vegas to do- I'm sure there are things, but I just can't think of them.

I know of only two "Pros" that use Vegas- Douglas Spotted Eagle, native American filmmaker and Grammy award winning musician- and a friend of mine who is a producer- he has two AVID systems at his company and a Vegas system- he says he loves it.

It's not that I think Vegas is the end all be all of editing, I much prefer the AVID workflow for some things and I think FCP is awesome.
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I've use both programs but a currently use Vegas. I own a very nice PC and use it for both video and gaming. While I like the mac system and FCP, it doesn't make financial sense to by another computer (and a way overpriced one at that) just for video when I am fine with vegas. Vegas is easy to use and will get the job done.

One thing I like about vegas is that you do not have to render each individual clip or effect before being able to see the result in real-time, something which you have to do in FCP.
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cinemafreak wrote:

One thing I like about vegas is that you do not have to render each individual clip or effect before being able to see the result in real-time, something which you have to do in FCP.
Ummm no you don't, not on an intel mac at least. I've use all the usual colour corrections, levels, etc etc, plus a number of magic bullet effects on a single clip, and never had to render it to view it in realtime.
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I've got FCE. Its brilliant, and can do everything I need it to do. Dont really know if upgrading to Pro would make such a huge difference.

Sollthar also works with FCE...i Thought he works with pro...hmmm
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You would be suprised how much of a difference it makes to upgrade to pro.
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What difference does it make DancamFX?

Cause I've always wondered if I should upgrade... I don't really miss anything.
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The Pro version includes more video and audio filters, video transitions, audio transitions. More tools for both audio and video. It works directly with other pro programs; Motion, Shake, Soundtrack pro, Quicktime pro. There are a ton of extra features, to sse them all go to:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/

I myself uprgraded from express to Studio and found tons of new options and features. The ones I found most useful to me were the new sound features and filters.
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NuttyBanana wrote:

cinemafreak wrote:

One thing I like about vegas is that you do not have to render each individual clip or effect before being able to see the result in real-time, something which you have to do in FCP.
Ummm no you don't, not on an intel mac at least. I've use all the usual colour corrections, levels, etc etc, plus a number of magic bullet effects on a single clip, and never had to render it to view it in realtime.
what version fcp are you running? Because in the one I used you have to render eahc effect individual before you could see it work in real-time. It was that time consuming, just tedious.
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It depends on your RAM and CPU speed. If you've got 2GB of RAM, then you should be able to view in RT. But if you've only got 512 you'll have to render. Likewise with CPU (1GHZ vs. 2GHZ)

NickD
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cinemafreak wrote:

it doesn't make financial sense to by another computer (and a way overpriced one at that)
*resists temptation to start a Mac vs. PC debate*

While I was in Beginning TV last semester (need to wait till next year to do Advanced...ugh!) all of our computers were Macs with FCS or FCE loaded on them. After learning 3 shortcut keys ('b' for blade, 'a' for selection, 'n' to snap), I was doing the fastest and easiest editing I've ever done. I don't have that extensive experience on them, but during the couple weeks we used them, I loved it and couldn't have asked for a cleaner and simpler interface. Plus, I was using a 1.8 GHz G5 iMac, with 1 GB of RAM, and I noticed no choppiness or slowdown while editing - ever. With 2 GB of RAM, and a 2 GHz Intel chip, you will be able to do a lot. We also used it for importing a live video feed, and that worked flawlessly.

I've had more experience with an old Vegas knock-off called VideoExplosion (or something to that effect). I've read that it's very similar to Vegas, and if that's true, it also has a nice interface, but not as intuitive or nice as FC. The effects are easier to add and manipulate to the novice user, but overall you learn the styles of each system. I can't comment too much on this software, however, as it is just a knock-off of an older version of Vegas (Vegas 6).

With a student discount, I can get FCE HD for only $150, which seals the deal for me. Once I get my Intel Mac, I am no doubt getting FCE.

As TimmyD said

TimmyD wrote:

Finder + Final Cut Express Suite + EL = Happiness
(but in my case, it's VL... wink )
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rogolo wrote:

*resists temptation to start a Mac vs. PC debate*
With you on that one my friend biggrin
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devilskater wrote:

Final Cut Pro is pretty much the best non-linear editing progi there is. Even alot of Avid Cutters are changing to Final Cut Pro, because there are alot of things, which FCP can do better than Avid.
Once u got to know the prog. it easy really easy. I would also recommend that u learn the shortcuts right away, because it increases the workflow ALOT...

So, go for Final Cut Pro (it costs an arm and a leg though !!!)
Dont know how much Sony Vegas costs ... sad

cheers,
d.
actually I believe that Avid is the most powerful non-linear editting program there is. From what I've heard, and I have a good source, more companies are switching to FCP because it is cheaper than avid. We had an editor who editted for pirates 3 come into our class at school, and he's the one who told me that. AVID is great FCP is not far behind at all and its cheaper so its definately the better alternative. especially if your comparing it to vegas. I've never been a fan of vegas.

I use premiere which has alot of similarties to FCP. But being on a pc, premire is the only cheap alternative. I would gladly spend money on a mac to be able to use FCP and soundtrack pro. Those are fabulous programs!
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cinemafreak wrote:

NuttyBanana wrote:

cinemafreak wrote:

One thing I like about vegas is that you do not have to render each individual clip or effect before being able to see the result in real-time, something which you have to do in FCP.
Ummm no you don't, not on an intel mac at least. I've use all the usual colour corrections, levels, etc etc, plus a number of magic bullet effects on a single clip, and never had to render it to view it in realtime.
what version fcp are you running? Because in the one I used you have to render eahc effect individual before you could see it work in real-time. It was that time consuming, just tedious.
I'm using pro along with its best buddy motion.
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schwar wrote:

Vegas shouldn't even be compared to Final Cut Pro (even if a couple of huge Vegas fans would like to think it should be) as FCP is a totally different level. I don't know a single professional who uses Vegas (even outside of work) where I know many tens of professionals editors and motion graphics people using FCP, Avid and even a couple who use Premiere (because of the strong integration with other Adobe products).
Quality of a program is really down to each individual person. How do you tell someone that likes Vegas and doesn't like FCP that FCP is a far superior program and "out of Vegas's league"? Which one is better is totally a matter of opinion and not fact. If someone doesn't like something then its simply not better to them.

Back on topic, I myself have never used FC, but i do use Vegas and i like it. I found it to be easy to use right from the start. I used premier previously for a while but when I tried Vegas I made the switch almost instantly. I would like to have a go at FC but seeing as I couldn't afford to buy a Mac if I liked it I'm not going to bother.
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Dancamfx wrote:

The Pro version includes more video and audio filters, video transitions, audio transitions. More tools for both audio and video. It works directly with other pro programs; Motion, Shake, Soundtrack pro, Quicktime pro. There are a ton of extra features, to sse them all go to:
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/finalcutpro/

I myself uprgraded from express to Studio and found tons of new options and features. The ones I found most useful to me were the new sound features and filters.
well, i dont really need any extra audio/video transitions, because one doesnt even use them in a film anyways. And to color correct a film, i would rather use after effects than any video-editing program like FC, because its alot more powerful and it has more gadgets.
and the normal FCE also works directly with Soundtrack and livetype and quicktime pro (i suppose, havent tried that out yet).

Sooo, in the end, i dont really think it would make such a huge difference to upgrad to Pro...hmmm

However Soundtrack PRO, has a lot of features which I truly miss in FCE'S Soundtrack sad

cheers,
d.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 4:59pm

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Bryan M Block

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I think the issue for me is that I can't afford a Mac to run FCP. If I havd a Mac you better believe that I would be running FCP, but on PC, I like Vegas- and I don't have to go to an external audio program to do anything either- Vegas USED to be an audio only package once upon a time and it is great for audio editing. It also does 5.1 surround sound right on the timeline allowing you to draw envelopes for panning to any of the speakers over time. Again, I wish Vegas would change a few workflow issues, but I don't see how someone can say it's not in the same "league" as FCP- what does FCP do that Vegas doesn't? What I find is that most people (especially "pros") are completely ignorant of the feature set of Vegas so they adopt the "yeah, but it doesn't have the high end features..." And I keep asking "like what?" and most of that comes down to preferences regarding workflow etc.., not actual ability.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 6:13pm

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FCE Doesnt work directly with Motion, Shake, Soundtrack Pro, and quicktime pro. If you you are serious about making films and would highly recommend adjusting and fixing your audio. I do it for every one of my films and it makes a huge diference. Upgrading from FCE to FCP was the best decision I've ever made. When I was really young I used iMovie and I said theres no reason to upgrade to FCE, when I did I was so happy I made the move. Then I thought I never needed to go to Pro and when I did, I knew the extra money was well worth it.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Feb 2007, 9:45pm

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Lets get something straight here, avid, Premiere, vegas, and FCP or FCE can all get the job done. What I think it all comes down to is how easily and efficiently they can get it done. For me FCP comes out on top, even though I use premiere. One of the most notorious things that all my friends ask when they ask about editing is....How long did it take you? Because it's a well known fact that editing isn't a quick task! But it's doesnt just come down to how fast you can edit because if that were the only thing, then Imovie would beat out all these guys. But its the efficiency of the professional look you are able to obtain in that time period. I use premiere as I said before and I am able to edit things pretty decently fast. But for some reason, FCP just seems faster and easier, and there interfaces are so so similar. My pc runs windows and I have a better video card and just as much ram as my friends mac. But yet on his mac things just seem to flow faster. FCP is just nice to work with.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Feb 2007, 12:32am

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i've got a question. What makes avid so good? I've never used it. What makes it different from the rest so that the majority pro companies use it. And also, I know that avid has a large range of products (each with different hardware), which is run by the said companies?
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 8:43am

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can you get final cut pro for the pc platform (ive only got windows xp to run it on)?
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 9:12am

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fxmaniac wrote:

can you get final cut pro for the pc platform (ive only got windows xp to run it on)?
No, Macs only
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 9:21am

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fxmaniac

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ok thanks.
please can you tell me what the pc equivalent is?
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 12:34pm

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It has a couple of equivalents...Avid, and Adobe Premiere Pro 2.

Avid has been the industry standard for many years but it's actually quite horrible to work with. Premiere is pretty good and easy to use.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 3:07pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

It has a couple of equivalents...Avid, and Adobe Premiere Pro 2.

Avid has been the industry standard for many years but it's actually quite horrible to work with. Premiere is pretty good and easy to use.
Beating dead horse take 3:

I've used premiere, I edit with AVID at work, Although there are some advantages that premiere has, I think Vegas is easily an equivalent with advantages of it's own. You also have te realize there are several "levels" of AVID. An AVID Nitris system kicks @$$!!!! But for 500$ You are going to have a hard time comparing them- It's only been recently that AVID has gotten on board with providing some of the features that were standard on Vegas and Premiere at the lower price point.

For ease of use you can't beat Vegas or Premiere and you will achieve similar results with either one. Remember that most films are straight cuts and dissolves anyway- this can be achieved on anything...


P.S. I hated AVID for a long time because I was used to the incredible array of options offered by Vegas- but honestly, the workflow in AVID is quite nice, streamlined, adn the media management is better than any of the other programs IMO.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 3:34pm

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fxmaniac

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cool sounds like there quite good products. i'll probably go with premiere though because im more familliar with there products but i might have to do a litttle bit of reserch into Avid
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 4:57pm

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ssj john

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nope....
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 9:18pm

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I might make the jump on Vegas this weekend. Here's the thing, though: My computer only has 256 mb of Ram, and only 40 gbs of memory, so if I got vegas I would buy an external hard drive [and maybe buy some ram if I have money left over]... is this a good idea?

I plan to get a job this summer and work enough to build me a new computer that Vegas could run faster on.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Mar 2007, 10:38pm

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Definitely upgrade your RAM, for any type of video/graphics work until you have at least 512, or more preferably, 1GB. But try to get as much as you can.

Also, you'll want more storage, once again, get as much as you can. The two things you want for video work: Mega RAM, Mega Storage.

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Posted: Fri, 9th Mar 2007, 4:49am

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I made the jump tonight. I ordered 1 GB of Ram from crucial.com [great site, it will tell you what you need to upgrade your memory for your computer if you dont know] and Sony Vegas from Studica. I still need to get an external hard drive, though, and I need as big as I can get for less than $97 including shipping and handling.
Posted: Sat, 10th Mar 2007, 9:31am

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Tarn wrote:

Final Cut Pro is pretty much the best you can get, as far as I'm aware. It's regularly used in professional television and film productions and is the one I'd personally use if given the choice.
For job requirements that I read they generally reccommend that you have experience with avid. So I would say Avid is most frequently used, but FCP is still good. They used a mixture of those to editing platforms to edit 300.
Posted: Sun, 11th Mar 2007, 7:17pm

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I own Vegas Movie Studio 6.0 Platinum Edition (its a dumbed down version of Vegas 6.0) I have done many projects on it and for only about $130 it is a great price for someone on a budget. Vegas is a great program but it really isn't comparable to FCP, they are just so different (especially because they run on two different OS's). currently I am trying to buy an iMac and FCP. What you could do is buy a mac because they can run windows, but at that point just get FCE or FCP because although I love Vegas, I think that the apple software is superior. Heck, even iMovie is a great program! at least compared to windows movie maker biggrin
Posted: Mon, 12th Mar 2007, 12:54am

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Well, Id say that the best and cheapest one is neither of the above, use MAGIX Movie Edit Pro 12, its only US$60 and works on the same prinible as FXHome products, a credit at the end. Also It has 16 tracks for video/effects/sound etc.

If you really want to they do have the ultra pro ones but they cost HEAPS!!!
Posted: Mon, 12th Mar 2007, 1:28am

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xanetia wrote:

Also It has 16 tracks for video/effects/sound etc.
Vegas has unlimited audio and video tracks.
Posted: Mon, 12th Mar 2007, 1:36am

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Anne, I thought you were a Final Cut/Mac person?
Posted: Mon, 12th Mar 2007, 8:44am

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Multiwagon wrote:

xanetia wrote:

Also It has 16 tracks for video/effects/sound etc.
Vegas has unlimited audio and video tracks.
and to get that you have to pay 10 times as much!!