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Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 6:42pm

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me and my friends are going to make some films but all the ideas we have involve much older people we dont know wat films kids our age can make. by the way were only 12 so it a bit of a problem,can anyone help us out? wink
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:00pm

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can antone give me tips?
please? think
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:03pm

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Just remember that movies are PRETEND.


Either pretend you're older or just change your character's ages.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:07pm

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I know the feeling, been through that time too. As Slurvian said, just pretend you're older, that's how we got through. Now we have deep voices and we have to shave, ain't life great ? wink
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:08pm

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thanks for the advice but the thing is we need actors that are somthing like 30 years old and were only 12 and we want the films to look our best so were saving the ideas for when were a bit older but were stuck on what to do for now. could you help us out on that part please.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:22pm

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Why not just ASK adults to act in your movie?
If the script was decent, I would consider doing it and I'm 36- I'm sure there are adults in your area that would consider helping you out if you have your stuff together and are serious. But if you just want to film a lightsabre fight in your backyard- just do it yourselves!

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Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:24pm

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You could ask a local theatre group if they have any actors who could help (you should probably have a script to show them though).

Or, ask all your parents and parents friends.

Stick to people you know, and through proper organisations. And be careful if you go down this route. As others have said, the easiest, safest option is to pretend to be older yourselves.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:28pm

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ok i know my family and friend should be able to do it so thanks for that. we do have a local theatre group that i could ask but how would i go about asking them to help and would they actualy co-operate well and work with a buch of kids. because we cant really pay them so how would i go about trying to get them to help???

by the way thanks for the replies. please keep em comming.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:32pm

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Or just be creative and think of movies that people your age would be in. There's plenty of movies that teens would be in. I don't know what you're into, but just be kids in the Star Wars universe, or kids in Lord of the Rings and such. Visualize what you want, then ask yourself: "Self, how can I make this into a movie that will actually work conisdering what I have to work with?" And hopefully your self will have some clever answers.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 7:35pm

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great idea never thought of that either. everyone here always seems to give great advice thanks alot.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 8:00pm

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You're 12, so appeal to the audience you know best - 12-year-olds, and make things you enjoy with people of your own age.

Funnily enough, it becomes a huge obstacle later in life to shoot with kids - all kin ds of checks and insurances etc to worry about, but you can go right ahead, so you've already got the lead on me for your own demographic

As for adult actors, try asking (as in actually TRY asking) the local theatre groups, the worst that'll happen is they'll say no, but if you have a good script, they may say yes, then you get what you wanted smile
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 8:07pm

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ok thanks
at the moment just for a short practices film were gonna be making a fight sequence which we have sorted out the coreography we need to practice it and go location scouting because it goes around the intire city which will be hard cuz we only live in a village lol then off to shoot hopfully if evrything goes according to plan and the films ok i might post it on fx home.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 8:11pm

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most people have been in our position can you please give me some more tips on how you got around it.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 8:52pm

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Hard to believe that it's getting the point where the kids are having to hand out sweets so that the dirty old men'll come with them to star in their films...
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 9:03pm

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The best option is to wait.

I mean I'm a few years older than you and started writing a script that involved people to play roles as a president, his advisor, and other "mature" roles, and stopped after a while to wait until I got older.

Now that I'm older I realize that the script is unoriginal and not even worth trying to do.

Basically what I'm saying is that maybe wait a little bit and see whether you actually like your idea. I know you'll argue for it now, but maybe in a few months or years you'll realize that you despised the script. The same goes for a humongous project that I wrote 50 pages of script for - I abandoned the project after a while when I realized it was all dumb, when at the time it seemed like an ingenious idea.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 10:02pm

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Waiting is worth it in some cases, but if you are ambitious and think your script is worth it, don't wait. Don't try to compensate for your ages. If you can have good effects, lighting, directing, and writing; people will overlook the quality of your actors or acting. You can't expect your movie to be perfect, and acting is often forsaken in the name of experiments in the great realm of film-making. I won't let it get to me as the audience of such a movie, because as you said yourself, we've all been there before. wink

(I still use my teenage friends as actors, they may not be taken very seriously, but I think its a lot more interesting than waiting for people to get taller. Just find that one kid with the piticuary gland disorder who was shaving in 4th grade. biggrin )
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 10:18pm

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I think you shouldn't wait- just go out and MAKE SOMETHING-
I did when I was 12-14 and I have NEVER regretted it- and this was in the days before everyone had a video camera (1982) we were shooting on Super8mm silent film!! No editing software (heck, no computers!) not even any audio!- just make something and enjoy the experience- but pay attention to the details and do the best you can, you can always RE-make something when you are older if you feel it needs that treatment...

B
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 10:40pm

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Take a look at the film, 'Brick'. The filmmakers took the hard-boiled, fast-talking gangster movie of the 1940's and 50's and remade it with kids, their school and community. Amazing; you gotta check it out if you haven't already.

If you look at www.detonationfilms.com. They've got the Agent-12 films (I think because Agent-12 is 12). Those films are impressive, to say the least.

Anyway, there really is a lot of stuff you can do! Good Luck!! There will always be people here to help you out - - or at least try and help!
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 11:02pm

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Two words: Bugsy Malone.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 11:13pm

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Aye, Rawree..! Good call! I was tempted to mention that one but thought maybe it went back a bit too far. Still, it's got Scott Baio (sp?) and those pie-shooting tommy guns (or were they cream-puffs?) - - you can't beat that!
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 11:36pm

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I'm close to your age(13). You just have to be creative and write movies with kids in it.

EX: Two kids find a treasure chest in their yard. Just ask you self what would you would do, and you will have a good story in no time.

Also, do be too ambitious with effects, just do what you know you can do. Bad effects ca ruin a movie.
Posted: Tue, 27th Feb 2007, 11:43pm

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Well, here are my three suggestions:

1). Get older by using a super-duper-fantastic aging pill...

2). Set your movie to where it is actually believeable that kids *ahem*-- preteens-- would be playing those parts...

3). Hire adult actors...

But besides, it shouldn't matter whether you are very old or not; it's not like you would plan on SELLING this movie or have it screened around millions of theaters around your nation...
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 3:41am

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my two cents:

What people have told you is valuable, but I have a little something more to add.

I encourage you to act in your movie yourselves, it is much more fun that way. Secondly, try a comedy. Dramatic/overly serious movies made by younger kids can get ugly real quick. Mainly because people have a hard time taking kids with squeaky voices and peach fuzz seriously. Comedy in your movies can lift the mood tremendously and the audience will be more focused on having fun watching your movie then they would pondering the realism of said film.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 3:43am

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Don't be afraid to take a leap and try it. I'm making a huge feature film right now and my main characters are in 5th and 7th grade. They are good actors, and play the parts beautifully. I've shown some people some rough scenes and they find them completely believable, and most of them are very moved by the emotions and drama. Having talented performers makes one of the biggest differences in the world I've found.

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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 6:12am

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As someone notorious for using people too young (had a guy act as an adult kidnapping a "boy", and the two actors are only two or three years apart. Luckily, they're both great actors, so it comes off convincing enough. My two cents? Either act your age in the role you have (which SHOULD be appropriate for your age) or do whatever you can to make yourself fit the appearance/acting of someone older.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 7:22am

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I recommend Growing a thick beard and wearing pleated pants. It really help the illusion of being older.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 11:49am

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Very interesting to see that you're already aware of the "but we're just kids!" issue. Most kids aren't even that self-aware at your age. That in itself suggests you're willing to put the effort and thought in to make something good.

The way I see it, there's a few options:

1. Think of some stories that involve kids your age. This might seem hard, because most movies/TV feature adults doing exciting things. However, the world is full of children/teenagers, even if Hollywood doesn't always bother showing them. Let's say you want to make a war movie: rather than you all pretending to be adult soldiers, do a war movie from the point of view of a kid caught up in the conflict.

2. Ignore the age issue and pretend to be gangsters/soldiers/policemen etc. This can often seem a bit silly, and makes it very difficult for older people (like myself) to take your movie seriously.

3. Make the age issue part of the movie, either for comedy effect or to give it an unusual twist. See Bugsy Malone and Brick for perfect example of that.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 12:22pm

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Just make the movies you want to make.

I'm an old man like Bryan and when I was 12 I was also making super 8mm silent movies. My brother and I didn't bother about our ages, we just played the parts. We were making the films because we enjoyed it, not hoping to sell it to Hollywood.

And yes looking back now there is something comical about seeing my 14 year old brother step out of the car on our drive prentending to be an animal control inspector (does that even exist?) but the editing and camera work is good even if the acting leaves something to be desired.

You can learn the craft of movie making by making movies irrespective of the credibility of your cast. If you are going to convince adults to act in your movies it is far better to have some demo reels to show them that you can actually make a movie to help you persuade them to give up their time for free.

As for searching for stories which don't involve adults then go to a bookstore. My son is an avid reader and I know that most of his favourites involve protaganists who are around his age (Eragon, anything by Darren Shan).

Or just try the what if? exercise. You and your mates are messing around somewhere deserted and find a crashed spaceship / cursed building / rampaging monster. What would you do? I recently made a film with my son and his cousins and we got around the "no adults" part by having one of the actors say "there's no point telling the grown ups, they'd never believe us" and so they set out to save the day on their own.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 12:32pm

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The other thing to consider is that when you are so young you dont need people to take your movies completely seriously. You have plenty of time for that.

Pretend to be older, its called acting you know smile Get the experience and master your filming skills and have fun because all that is more important than trying to impress people.

If you have a great idea for a film you can always remake it later anyway.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 5:04pm

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Use LEGOs or clay or something and try doing some stop motion. It's fun, and from my experiance people are entertained by LEGOs no matter what the story is!