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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 1:18pm

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we are currently trying to make a film so far little success but we need help getting it out there to the public once it is finished any tips? wink

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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 1:21pm

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#Deep Breath#

One step at a time grasshopper - your multitude of posts over the past couple of days show you haven't even started. Deal with that once you have something to show.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 1:27pm

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that is true were not getting anything done were just asking other people what to do trying to be safer than sorry. we keep starting new idaes when we arnt even finished with the other one. can you give us some advice on how to stop doing that. frown
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 1:34pm

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Yeah: Just stop.
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Well, that's kind of the nature of being 12 or 13 years old biggrin

Seriously- making a film is like any school project you might have to do- you have to uderstand the steps needed to achieve what you want to achieve. First you have to come up with an idea, then you have to write a script, then you have to plan your shots, then you have to get your actors, locations, props, etc.. then you have to shoot the thing which may take weeks, then you have to get it inot your computer, edit it, add effects, sound, music, etc... then render it, then post it or make a DVD or whatever your delivery method is.

There are many steps, and each one takes TIME, and sometimes more patience than a 12 year old can muster. biggrin

My personal advice is just to pick ONE idea that you are interested in and start writing a script- even 5 or 6 pages will be fine. This may require several RE-writes, but if you are interested in the idea, it will pay off. Once you have that THEN you can worry about the next phase. So start on the idea and develop your script- remember that every story has a begining, middle, and end. Give your hero a problem to solve using his/her strengths- If he is a great fighter, give him a tough enemy. If he is an intellectual, give him a puzzle to solve, if he is a sports hero, give him a big game, if he is the best paper boy on the block, then give him a chance to prove it- etc...

Come back when you have the idea and the outline for the script- we'll help you flesh it out- but it is up to YOU to get started and stick with ONE idea that interests you- even if you lose some interest in the project as you go (which is natural) you should still try to FINISH it so you have at least one project under your belt.

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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 3:50pm

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ok thanks for the tips if i pick an idea could you help me sort it out a bit and see with parts i should change
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 4:40pm

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Some more advice for you:

First- you are taking the first step, you are posting here to get advice from people who are trying to help you- you are looking OUTSIDE of the group of people who don't believe you can do this.

BUT

You are going to wear out your welcome if you don't follow the proper ettiquete for the forum- you have posted WAY too many threads in the short time you have been here- all with basically the same question!! So PLEASE just stick to posting in this thread or one of your others if it is directly related to the original topic. Do NOT start a new thread every time you visit.

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Again, YOU have to take the first steps toward making your film- do you even have ONE or TWO friends that believe in this and want to do it? Then you have enough. SECOND- do you have a camera??? Access to a camera?? If you don't have that much, then you can't really move forward with MAKING the thing now can you? Start with your idea first and then let's build on that, in the meantime try to find a camera you can use- that is your homework, get the idea down and get a camera, then come back- post in this SAME thread and we will see it.

This is not a magic 8 ball or the oracle at Delphi...
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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 5:09pm

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OK sorry about all the posts just really want to know about filmmaking ill stick to this tread i do have a camera and we have 3 people in our group.
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 5:47pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

OK sorry about all the posts just really want to know about filmmaking ill stick to this tread i do have a camera and we have 3 people in our group.
Good!

Do you have a tripod? What is the idea that you are working on? Does it have a begining, middle, and end?
Let's start there and then develop the conflict within the script.

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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 5:53pm

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yes ive got a tripod and we have loads of ideas
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 5:55pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

that is true were not getting anything done were just asking other people what to do trying to be safer than sorry. we keep starting new idaes when we arnt even finished with the other one. can you give us some advice on how to stop doing that. frown
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Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 5:57pm

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whats a ritalin
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Ritalin is a drug for hyperactive children...

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Anyway- what is your favorite idea? Does it have an begining, middle, and end- not tons of details at this point, just a basic idea and some information about the begining, middle, and end-
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 6:13pm

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i need to talk that over with my group about which one is our favorite or our best cuz we probebly think differently. it think what we will do is wat we talked about yesterday we will get all our ideas together and peice by peice just decide what is the best and the one we will be able to make out of all our ideas first. we still need an easy 3d rendering program yet.
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Garrison wrote:

Ritalin
Perfect timing, I just needed a giggle, thank you!
Posted: Wed, 28th Feb 2007, 9:00pm

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I think the really important thing to do is to communicate with your friends, select one project that you like the most, and stick with that. If there are disagreements among you as to which project to select - - well, that's sort of the nature of collaborating with others, so you'll need to compromise. If these people are true friends of yours, then you shouldn't have any problem finalizing a project idea.

Again, good luck!
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 4:01pm

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thanks we talked it over and we dicided on a short fight scene were doing. weve got most of the coreography done already we are just trying to perfect the idea then we will take it one step at a time
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 5:00pm

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Well,
One fight scene is not necessarily a "movie" from a story telling perspective- is there a story that comes before and after the fight? Why do we care that they are fighting?
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 5:05pm

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we are gonna do a story we just wanted to do that just to see how it turns out and just practice some colour grading ect... once thats done were moving on to a proper story. we are trying to make this to show people what we can do and hopfully get some more help for a proper project. what do u think is that a good idea or not plaese reply with your opinions.
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 5:07pm

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Sure- it's a good idea. It's always good to practice anything at any time and a fight scene will keep you interested in the project.
Just be VERY careful not to let anyone get hurt...
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 5:17pm

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although were 12 we got quite a bit of expirence because my brother is a puple belt so am i and my dad is a black belt and my friend dose ti quon do and some karate and so dose some people in his family so that should help.
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tommorow my new computer, which i got all the parts specificly for special effects, is comming. so that means i can put some software on there download some graphics software and in a month or two be able to buy visionlab rather than just practicing on the demos. im learning a bit on the demos along with the tutorials im getting there slowly yay. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 7:59pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

although were 12 we got quite a bit of expirence because my brother is a puple belt so am i and my dad is a black belt and my friend dose ti quon do and some karate and so dose some people in his family so that should help.
Sounds like a good start - especially if you're disciplined like they teach you to be! Maybe ask your instructor to help with the choreography of the fight - that way he can keep an eye out for risky moves?
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Hey bro. You sound like me when I was 12...."Lets do a fight scene"..... but anyway, although you may know karate and your friends know martial arts, I know karate too, and last year right around this time, my friend wanted to film a fight scene too, and at one part, I was supposed to tackle him as he threw a right hook. Now, don't ask me how, but he forgot the right hook and did some improv.....he decided to throw a knee, well, I was diving for his hips, he brought his knee up, and well, you can imagine what happened. So, just do be VERY CAREFUL, because even though you know karate, you can still get hurt. And, even though fight scenes are cool. I hate to say it but, they don't show much movie making ability. Anyway, just follow your ideas and be careful.

----Ryan B.
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we'll be careful. but what you was saying about it not showing off movie makking skills is true what type of project do you think would???

by the way we have the basic equipment needed to make a film. camera, computer, tripod ect...

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Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007, 4:32pm

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Don't worry about it- I think he just meant in the larger sense of developing a story etc.. but a fight scene is a good thing to shoot and edit, very good practice for shooting and editing- keep at it.
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i know its a bit off topic but i dont want to make a new forum page do i have one of those banner things because i put it as my signiture and im not sure if it showed up
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First off, please try to use proper punctuation, spelling, and grammar.

Concerning the banner, make sure you copied the BBCode version accurately, and pasted it into your signature under Forum Options in the User Preferences panel.

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yes i have figured out that it was not set to come on but as you can see below it sould now be under all of my text that i have written.
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It looks to me like you copied the HTML version. Try the BBCode version like I said earlier.
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ok
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back to the main subject weve decided to do the fight scene as a little side project but have got a proper idea for a short film a pretty basic plot but its our first try so nothing to complicated. were just putting the finnishing touches to the plot and were definatly going to go away and write up a script. the film should last somthing between 5 and 10 minuets maby a bit more but we'll go over the script a couple times to see if we can change anything to make it better. once that is done we'll go on to filming our first film. i acn't wait.
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Cool. I look forward to seeing the finished product smile
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thanks same here it might not be on here for a little bit. one of my major concerns is that the picture will not be that good because we dont have a HD camera. were trying to make a decision at the moment wether to try some lighting or not because most of the film is outside and were not sure weather to just use the natural light what do you think???
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This is the downfall of the internet- a 12 year old is worrying about whether his film will "be any good" because he doesn't have an HD camera!!?!?!?! crazy

I was shooting films on silent Super 8 FILM when I was 12- and my film that I shot this summer is in standard def 30 frame progressive mode- I'm not worried about it NOT being HD. If I need to upconvert it to HD for festivals, fine, but all I had access to was a panasonic DVX100B- a great camera by the way.

DO NOT WORRY ABOUT HD. MAKE A MOVIE. the camera will not determine whether or not the film is "good" your creativity WILL. ANd even then- just worry about getting it DONE and having the EXPERIENCE OF DOING IT.

Do you know how to white balance? Do you know what a key light is? a scrim? a flag? a "cookie"? JUST GO MAKE IT.





p.s. have fun and don;t get hurt.
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thanks. the camera we have still produces quite a good picture. what do you think about the natural light then???
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Try to use the sun as your key light, and get some reflectors to fill in the image. As long as you pay attention to that, you will get a much better result.
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if you can't afford lighting (and the time it takes to get lighting right - which is a deal in itself!), use daylight - it's cheap and plentiful! You may choose to use a reflector (something big and white, even white card will do) in daylight just to soften some of the harsh shadows on close-ups, though.
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And be sure to bring along some stuff to diffuse harsh light.
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thanks got ideas. another thing i was wondering is if when your filmming one of your actors is carrying somthing with another companies logo o it like a McDonalds drink or somthing would you need to blur out there logo???
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Not if the film is a nonprofit production.
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ok. thanks. also in this film there is a scene when someone runs across a road to get someone out the road with oncomming traffic. what do you think would be the better idea use blue screen and put the character in the road or find an empty road one that never gets used film it there and put in some (i think its called) matte backgrounds.or are there any better ideas that i havent thought of. by the way the road we want is useally very busy so we dont really want to film on the road. can you suggest anything???
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Do one of two things:

1. Find an empty road and put a bluescreen up. You can later add in cars, more road, etc.

2. Find an empty road and have a bunch of friends drive cars for you.

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thanks the first one is probably the best option for us because it would take a while to keep setting up shots each time. and getting people to drive around for us to film might be a bit hard. thanks for the ideas. i will keep everyone up to date with how the project is comming along.

by the way i might need some questions awnsered if we get stuck would you mind helping us out???

oh and by the way our school has a small cinema screen, well a couple actually, so we might try and get a little premiere going there, mabe sell of food and stuff. we'll just have to see how it all turns out.
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Look- this is not meant to be insulting, but since you are a couple of 12 year olds that have never made a movie before- I have serious doubts about whether you could perform or would be able to tell if a scene was lit properly or not- so my advice is that if you can SEE what is going on, then you should be okay. If you are shooting interiors, make sure you have plenty of light- digital cameras don't like the dark very much and they add alot of color noise to areas that are supposed to be "black"
Another thing is that it is easy to get excited about all of the incredible options you have at your fingertips with all the software and computer tricks you can do, but pulling off a convincing blue or green screen takes practice, it takes time to get everything to look right in post, it takes a good eye to make sure you have shot the scene properly so that it can be composited correctly. It takes more time and talent to get the elements so that they composite correctly- I just hope that you aren't setting your expectations so high that when you get down to doing it and it doesn't quite look like you thought it would, you don't get so disapointed that you give up yet again. Although everything is basically POSSIBLE on your home computer with some cool software and a decent camera, it still takes lots of time and there is a serious learning curve at each step.

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true. with all the lighting we didn't know how to do it so thats why we thought of just useing natural light which we have decided apon. your probaly right its gonna suck but we just want to try anyway.
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weve got the basic idea down and are now adding some extra ideas to try and really give the script a little more push. soon with a practice clip ill be trying out some colour grading to try and give the project is own individual look, still not sure wat its gonna be though. confused
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fxmaniac wrote:

thanks got ideas. another thing i was wondering is if when your filmming one of your actors is carrying somthing with another companies logo o it like a McDonalds drink or somthing would you need to blur out there logo???
Try avoiding shooting logos at all - quite often on MTV etc you'll see proplr with gaffer tape over their logos on their clothes although that's as much to do with sponsorship as liability.

Make sure you don't refer to a brand, especially in a way they may get upset about (eg 'Ronald McDonald's got the Shakes'), or if a brand or logo will be in shot/background anyway, why not have fun and create stickers to go over the top with your own made-up brands ('Evil Clown Burger Bar', for instance) wink
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cool good idea ill have to give that a try sounds like fun. hopefully in the next couple of months ill have a few films on here because im going on a few mini corses about film making and animation. im looking everywere i can find to learn about movie making. so far a ive got a small success. wooo biggrin
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I would just go and do a couple of tests first before making a movie, grading tests, camera tests etc. That way you have a better view of your capabilities and get the maximum out of the movie smile
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were gonna do the grading tests but what do you mean by a camera test???
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could someone please tell my a good music making software thats prety cheap and easy to use we need to make some music that is customed around the films to add to the all around effect and emotions.
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Just use some pre-recorded music or other soundtracks for crying out loud. It's just a fun project.
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but dont you need an agreement from the group if your planing to show the film to the public even if its just a small group of people???
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fxmaniac wrote:

but dont you need an agreement from the group if your planing to show the film to the public even if its just a small group of people???
The answer here, strictly speaking, is yes...

However there's sometimes a sweetspot somewhere around the 'will they ever find out and how upset will they be' point. wink
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pdrg wrote:

fxmaniac wrote:

but dont you need an agreement from the group if your planing to show the film to the public even if its just a small group of people???
The answer here, strictly speaking, is yes...

However there's sometimes a sweetspot somewhere around the 'will they ever find out and how upset will they be' point. wink
Yep. And there is a legal remedy at law for that- it's called a cease and desist order- It just means that if they actually do see it- they have to first write a letter telling you to stop using it. You aren't going to get sued or anything. smile at least not right of the bat.
These are not civil laws that the government has to enforce, they are tort laws- which means that they are in place for the average citizen to have adequate remedy at law. Don't worry about it. If you want free music software you can download ACID Xpress- there are plenty of free music loops on the web for you to download and piece together in ACID.
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cool thanks, now ive got some idea about music including own made too.
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the idea is comming together nicely and casting has a few ideas of whos gonna play who from our group. a problem we have with our camera is the sound that is recorded it makes all our voices completly differnet, all high pitched and squecky can you tell me how to stop that???
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fxmaniac wrote:

the idea is comming together nicely and casting has a few ideas of whos gonna play who from our group. a problem we have with our camera is the sound that is recorded it makes all our voices completly differnet, all high pitched and squecky can you tell me how to stop that???
Puberty.
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Bryan M Block wrote:

fxmaniac wrote:

the idea is comming together nicely and casting has a few ideas of whos gonna play who from our group. a problem we have with our camera is the sound that is recorded it makes all our voices completly differnet, all high pitched and squecky can you tell me how to stop that???
Puberty.
Lmao!

It doesn't matter if your voices are high-pitched. Just make the movie. You don't want it to look like those "identity theft" commercials where the old ladies sound like men. wink

Really, the best way to learn is to MAKE SOMETHING. It's very hard to critique or guide you if you don't have any work to show.
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fxmaniac wrote:

the idea is comming together nicely and casting has a few ideas of whos gonna play who from our group. a problem we have with our camera is the sound that is recorded it makes all our voices completly differnet, all high pitched and squecky can you tell me how to stop that???
Use Audacity to change the pitch of the voices, but not too much or else you'll sound like Barry White.
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I'd advise against messing with the voices. If you shift them enough to make a difference (i.e more than a semi-tone or 2) then it'll sound very fake and mysteron-ish. If you start pitchshifting it'll sound very...pitchshifted and you'll probably lose other qualities of the voice. Plus the finished thing will look bloody ridiculous! wink
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Rawree wrote:

I'd advise against messing with the voices. If you shift them enough to make a difference (i.e more than a semi-tone or 2) then it'll sound very fake and mysteron-ish. If you start pitchshifting it'll sound very...pitchshifted and you'll probably lose other qualities of the voice. Plus the finished thing will look bloody ridiculous! wink
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Just make it, man, so far I've heard 100 questions from you about everything, but they're starting to feel like excuses - just go anbd get shooting, and you'll learn on the job! Your first film will probably be awful, the next better, and so on, so get going now and you'll be making good stuff all the sooner smile
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Camcorder mics are teeny-tiny diaphragm mics that aren't really best suited for accurate voice reproduction. You could plug in an external mic and give that a go if you like...
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Bryan M Block wrote:

Camcorder mics are teeny-tiny diaphragm mics that aren't really best suited for accurate voice reproduction. You could plug in an external mic and give that a go if you like...
I think it's more likely the teeny tiny vocal chords causing the problem...

Oh and what's this business: ^--this ?
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Bryan M Block wrote:


Oh and what's this business: ^--this ?
Gah! 'Tis a hangover from one of the old BBSes I used to use - basically a shortform of 'The above is exactly what I would have said, so if you're reading this lot and trying to see what kind of answers everyone is giving, and who is saying what, this is my 2p as well'. the ^-- is a poor ascii approximation of an arrow pointing above!

Sometimes I use it forgetting it's not in common parlance, especially when I'm tired :-$ Apologies to anyone I've confused wink
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writting the script just a short not really much plot or meaning but im in the middle of writting the script

the first few scenes down a pointless film though nothing special about it.
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hi!
pls check out the behind the scenes movie about a german band i made and let me know what u think by commenting it!
i appreciate your feeback!

http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=AnninaGalipeau

thanx alot!!!

annina
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once weve done with the short film ive had an idea for a longer film its just an idea but here it is :

scientists are useing the governments funding money to make geneticly engineers battle suits incase of war. from in side the lab they are stolen and are being used by an group of criminals holding the country at ransom. to do this they stole the suits and threaten to attack a forign contry but perpossly let then know it was england so it would start a war. and if they dont get there ransom money they will attack and start this war. while the military keep then busy the send a team to reteave the suits without the criminals realising but not every thing gose so smoothly.

there you go just an idea but what do you think???
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fxmaniac wrote:



there you go just an idea but what do you think???
I think don't run before you can walk, focus on your current project and make it the best you can before you think about the next. Also remember all the issues you've come up against so far (before you've even written the script!) and that the more ambitious you are the more issues/problems there'll be wink
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true anyway we probaly wont even do that idea for few year yet
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dose any one know of a cheap reliable voice changing softwere and a music making software???
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We already answered that.