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In need for Jungle Background.

Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 9:15pm

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I'm trying to make a good movie with some rangers whos gonna infiltrate a village in the jungle. But i cant find any good places who looks like jungle where I live, and I cant find any good pictures on google. So, does anyone have any good jungle pictures?
Posted: Thu, 1st Mar 2007, 10:10pm

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Sacristic wrote:

I'm trying to make a good movie with some rangers whos gonna infiltrate a village in the jungle. But i cant find any good places who looks like jungle where I live, and I cant find any good pictures on google. So, does anyone have any good jungle pictures?
Well here is a jungle pic... if that helps

Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007, 12:47am

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Any kind of jungle scene is going to be difficult to pull off with pictures. It will take about half a second to realize none of the leaves are moving, and the effect is ruined; its obvious that the actors aren't really in the scene. Stock footage might work, (if you could find some), but even then, anywhere your actors interact with the bg (like their footsteps) it will be obvious that its a composite. Careful planning and shooting accordingly could help, but you might want to try going about this another way.

Maybe adjust the script so it could tke place in whatever type of forest you can get to, or buy some vines and other jungle plants at a nursery and dress your nearest forest to look more like a jungle.
Posted: Fri, 2nd Mar 2007, 2:28am

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Thrawn

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But if the scene of the people in the jungle is short enough then you could should be able to pull it off with a backdrop.
Posted: Mon, 19th Mar 2007, 3:52pm

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if you really want to do this still (this thread is a litle old) I might be able to help using Vue6 Infinite. Have a look on
www-e-onsoftware.com to see what it can do and see if its what you're looking for. PM me with more details of the sort of thing you need and I'll see what I can do.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 1:54am

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Why not just record National Geographic and the Discovery channel. Look for anything to do with the jungle. Put it on your comp and then make that your back drop. It will be moving. And you can just have a small clip play forward and then backwards. That way it looks like the wind is blowing it. Just a thought.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 8:33am

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a little thing called copyright might just get in the way of that suggestion.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 1:39am

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He's looking to take pictures off of google anyways. Its all copyrighted. If he isn't trying to make money off of the project or enter it in any festivals then it doesn't matter. The most they could do is ask you not to use their stuff.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 9:18am

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jotoki

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so that makes it alright ? Ask the guy that got threatened by the lawers for the producers of stargate on here just for making a fanfilm what they can do. There are other ways of doing it without breaking the law. Get used to doing it the right way now and if you should make it big you'll already be doing things properly. Also if he searches google well enough he'll find photos that will have permission for non commercial use. Why break the law when you don't have to. "oh what can they do" is the wrong mentality if you want to make films properly that are your own work, not that of someone else.
Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 6:58pm

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Instead of using copyright stuff, do as Thrawn said and use a picture. If you want the leaves to move, you could maybe add a very soft displacement. I've never actually tried this myself, but you could maybe give it a shot! Just make sure the displacement is very, VERY light.
Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 7:05pm

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You could use a royalty free picture as a backdrop and composite it into actual footage- for example, you have some guys walking down a path, they brush the leaves, things move- EXCEPT that you mask just beyond where the action is and blend it into a photo- this will take some photoshop skills, but it is NO different than what they used to do in the 80's in films like Raiders of the Lost Ark or Temple of Doom- they would literally PAINT a scene onto a piece of glass and then leave a small place in the glass where the actual action is to take place- that place would be filled with a masked and cropped piece of REAL live action- It's called "matte painting" and you could do the same thing digitally with a stock/royalty free photo or composite of photos. For example, if you want to have them stumble upon some old Myan pyramid, you could leave part of your frame empty, having them step into a clearing and marvel at the pyramid- in photoshop you would create a "matte painting" using a still of your footage as a reference (so you know where your actors are and how to blend them into the scene) - then create a mask in your NLE around the actual footage so it can blend in- add some jungle noises and maybe some birds flying by (like in the old ALAMDV plug in) in FRONT of the temple to increase the illusion and there you have a shot at least as high tech as anything in the 80's or early 90's before CG came into it's own.

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Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 8:34pm

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since the person wanting this hasn't replied to this thread for a while i think it's all become academic anyway by the looks of it.
Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2007, 4:44pm

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Maybe she went to a jungle wink
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 8:38am

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The backdrop request site never works. I asked for jungle backgrounds over a year ago. Everyone ALWAYS does 1 of 3 things.
1) GOOGLE IT
2) Generate it with ____ software that looks like POO (expecially when you don't know how to use it)
3) Watch ___ and steal it.

When I have pointed this out my postes have been removed. It's, for a lack of a better word, "RETARDED".

Here we have a site, with people all around the F'ing world and not a single person goes out and takes any photos for anyone or puts them up. All people ever do is GOOGLE IT. We could use this forum to get the Back Grounds WE NEED by working togethor. HELL if somone wanted "Forests backgrounds" I could get them North West Washington forest backgrounds. HELL I COULD GET THEM F'ING VALCANO BACKGROUNDS (dormet mind you). I could get them enough "dumb fuck small town steets" shots to choke a camel. But people don't ask for these very often (at least not when I'm looking at this forum). What I'm saying here is instead of telling people to google it, or make it yourself. Why not somone pipe up and say, "Oh hey, I'm in Africa, or _____< (WHO KNOWS WHERE...) I happen to live in a tropical area, I'll go out and take some digital stills. Perhaps we could start an archive of said stills/video clips. Then we could all benefit and not have to reinvent the wheel everytime we need a 3 second clip. As it is my film ended up being a photoshop mess, with North West Forests being mixed with photoshoped images of tropical trees. Did it look strange? Yes. Is there anything else I could have done? No. Because I wanted to make somthing semi-professional that I could show people. Didn't work out to be semi-professional, but oh well. I'll give it another go later. I'm sorry if this is a rant (pretty sure it is), but I just get so pissed off at the way this piticular forum is run. I can already feel the angry gods of FXHOME reading their deletion hammers. So I will bid you all good day.

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William
It's now 2am where I live. I'm not even going to try and spell check this rambel.
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 12:08pm

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with an attitude like that no wonder you didn't get the help you want. Why not try and go out and get the images yourself. Thats what I do if I need it. Since you dnt have the budget to fly to the jungle you do things like they did with "Get Lost" , no jungle trips to africa just a forest in norfolk UK. It may not be ideal but you have to accept and work with what you have available. The the skill is not in flying out to the jungle and shooting there. Its in choosing locations and camera angles that create the feel you want. Coupled with a little post production it can be a lot more convincing than you think. If you want to create a semi pro feel to your films concentrate on the things that matter and get them right and the audience will forgive slightly less perfect locations. It is a low budget movie after all. Give the viewers some credit as well as those that do make suggestions. we dont all have time to drop everything and go photograph jungle for you and even then we dont know if it will be the right look for your vision of the scene. If you just reject peoples suggestions out of hand like this they wont be interested in helping you in the future. If your film didnt turn out like you wanted that not everyone elses responsability. Its yours.

If your posts are getting deleted then maybe you should think about what you're writting. I find the moderators on here are very fair. Even when I've had the odd disagreement with them myself its always resolved fairly and unlike a lot of other forums its not run by a bunch of little hitlers. They are very fair minded people
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 2:13pm

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I've asked for a picture and someone took one with a camera for me, so don't go mouthing of at this forum. Just because you didn't get what you want you don't have to say that this forum sucks. And overall you cannot get a good jungle scene with a pic, practicly everything is moving!!

jotoki wrote:

run by a bunch of little hitlers
Just have to say that this just cracks me up... biggrin
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 2:49pm

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Yep i agree with you.
And I'm so using that saying when the time comes, it is indeed really funny. Little Hitlers!!haha!! razz
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 4:30pm

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Well I dont have access to the jungle but I would be more than happy to go out on my property and get some wooded shooots for you. The nice thick woods of USA-Georgia, it will consist of pine trees and other hard woods and vines...

Doug
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 5:21pm

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hey glad you guys liked it. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 6:11pm

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A way to make the leaves look like they move is to put a light slow grain over them. Never tried it, but it might work.
Posted: Sat, 8th Sep 2007, 6:31pm

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That wouldn't look close to good unless you have really really crapy quiality... like really crappy.
Posted: Sun, 9th Sep 2007, 1:44am

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That wouldn't look close to good unless you have really really crapy quiality... like really crappy.
Ever try it?
Posted: Sun, 9th Sep 2007, 3:05pm

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Yes
Posted: Sun, 9th Sep 2007, 3:09pm

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Looked good, but with really crapy quiality.
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jotoki wrote:

with an attitude like that no wonder you didn't get the help you want. Why not try and go out and get the images yourself. That's what I do if I need it... (edited for length, just add blah blah blah)
I haven't checked this forum in 2 years and I still stand by my previous statement. As misspelled as it was what I said was accurate and you saying "get the images yourself" just proved my point. Everyone says Google it or make it yourself. When people ask for help, that's the default reply. No one ever offers to really help, except on rare occasion. I don't need anything from this forum right now, but after reading your reply I felt compelled to write back. *sigh* What a waste of what could be a very productive forum. Ah well.

4:59am Night,
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Posted: Sun, 18th Oct 2009, 1:40pm

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I agreen that the responses in this particular forum aren't always as helpful as they could be. However, I find this rant amusing for several reasons.

Firstly, the very first response to this thread included a jungle pic, which makes your whole 'no one ever helps' point a bit humorous. In the fourth post someone volunteers to help out going the software route, which would involve them spending a lot of their time and effort just to help the OP out. Later on we have another poster offering to take pics in a forest near his house with vines, if it was wanted.

Secondly, your response implies that ONLY someone who lives by a jungle should have replied. Instead, you have other users (who have no access to a jungle or way to take pictures of one) still trying to be helpful, and offering suggestions, pictures, or their time, to help the guy out. None of the people who posted here would complain or get upset if someone who was able posted some jungle pics for him to use, but they weren't in a position to do so themselves, so they tried to help in other ways.

Thirdly, when you quote jokoti as saying 'get the images yourself' you left out the far more important part of the quote: 'WHY NOT TRY"? followed by an extensive explanation of how you could try. And maybe you have tried, and it didn't work, in which case you could explain what you tried and why it didn't work, so we could eliminate those possibilities.

Fourthly, in your first post in this thread, you say:

Avenger111 wrote:

Here we have a site, with people all around the F'ing world and not a single person goes out and takes any photos for anyone or puts them up.
This seems to be based on the fact that you didn't get the pictures you requested? It is true that the occasions where someone actually goes out and takes a picture in response to a thread here are limited, but its decidedly more often than 'never.' And most of the time, its not because no one wants to help, but because the users who frequent these forums aren't in a position to directly fill the request. More often than not, the requesters are directed to somewhere that their needs can be met in one way or another.

Obviously you are upset about this, and I'm sorry about that, but I have a hard time harmonizing your viewpoint with what has happened in this thread, in the Backdrop Requests forum as a whole, or with my overall experience in these extremely helpful forums.