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Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 3:04am

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whats the advantage of dual moniters what do you use a second moniter for? sorry if this is dumb question but im revising all my video equepmint and just wanted to know it i should get some. thanks
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Do you have some money burning a whole in your pocket? cool

Dual monitors can be useful if you don't like to display all of your information on one screen, but they are not necessary. Some people wrig it so that they see the media bin on the second screen, or maybe their final output. It is a nice thing to have, but unless you have an extra 500-1000 dollars to spend, save your money.
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 3:20am

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ok... forget about dual moniters for the moment. i was just wandering cause im going from pc to mac and im getting a gl2, final cut, and Elab
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 3:30am

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1 dollar budget wrote:

ok... forget about dual moniters for the moment. i was just wandering cause im going from pc to mac and im getting a gl2, final cut, and Elab
Um. Why?

You have vegas video right? Why would you want to fork over another $6,000 for a mac and editing apps? Yes, $6000. That is how much money it will take to switch platforms to a nice mac-pro w/ final cut studio.

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So much for only having a $1 budget biggrin

Basically the second monitor is the option of most people who want to have a larger workspace but don't want to buy one large monitor. Buying a second monitor literally doubles your workspace (duh) and makes working more convenient (you could have your NLE open in one window and something like VisionLab in the other, if you have a hell of a lot of CPU and memory to spare).

I've tried it before. It's nice for all editing stuff, but leaves something to be desired for gaming. Having a large widescreen monitor is usually more pleasant but much more expensive.
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Right now I'm using my television as a second monitor.
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I vote for this thread as the one with the worst spelling and grammar ever!


"moniters"?
"Wrig"?

"Just WANDERING"?
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 4:23am

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Bryan M Block wrote:

I vote for this thread as the one with the worst spelling and grammar ever!


"moniters"?
"Wrig"?

"Just WANDERING"?
I spell everything correctly 60% of the time, every time.
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 5:00am

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Slurvian Films wrote:

Bryan M Block wrote:

I vote for this thread as the one with the worst spelling and grammar ever!


"moniters"?
"Wrig"?

"Just WANDERING"?
I spell everything correctly 60% of the time, every time.
made with bits of real panther?
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 5:12am

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Bryan M Block wrote:

Slurvian Films wrote:

Bryan M Block wrote:

I vote for this thread as the one with the worst spelling and grammar ever!


"moniters"?
"Wrig"?

"Just WANDERING"?
I spell everything correctly 60% of the time, every time.
made with bits of real panther?
Exactly!
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 11:44am

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I've already got the price for everything and its only going to cost about $3000- mac mini $600, GL2 $2000, Final Cut Express <$200 if I get it on ebay brand new, and $110 for Elab. And I have Vegas Movie Studio which only costed $90 so its kinda of worth it to switch oh and my computer is a Emachine with an intel Celeron... CELERON! I cant explain how mad I get when this thing will just randomly freezes for 1-2 hours on me. thanks for all your comments


p.s. I'm changing my name to RebornStudios, so yeah your right so much for $1 doller budget
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 12:08pm

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I would love a dual monitor set up for using Premiere (monitor displayed on one screen and the clips displayed on another etc). Even on a 19" tft it can get very cluttered at times. Similarly for using Photoshop to composite photos the screen can get very full when I have several images open at once and the extra desktop area would be a great help.

Matrox make a device wihcih plugs into your VGA port and splits the display over two monitors. It is only around £150 for the device so add £150 for a second 19" tft and you can add dual monitors to your set up for £300. It's not a vast expense in the grand scheme of things in the dv world though it is a luxury for sure.
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I have a dual monitor setup. It is so nice. I friend of mine got a new monitor so i jacked his old one, forked over $20 for a VGA to DVI adapter and was set. Video wise I use the monitor whenever I have multiple windows opened up to keep my workspace uncluttered. Otherwise I have itunes opened up on it all the time for easy access to music, its also the screen I display AIM on. It also come in handy when editing papers for school. I can have the old one on one screen and the new one on the other.
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 12:29pm

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A dual monitor setup is brilliant. For editing you can see more of the timeline, clip bins, titling, etc. When you are cutting you can see both the in and out clip at once at a bigger size. I would always use a proper video monitor or tv though for the output monitor because the colour and look is very different on a computer monitor. When I used to sell professional setups, our standard one which most people wanted to buy was dual 19" monitors with a proper video monitor on the DV deck for output. (The deck would be set to passthrough the firewire output). You can get this at home by enabling passthrough on a camera, dv bridge or using the tv out on your graphics card. Most editing apps will preview to firewire.

For general use it makes it much easier to compare a couple of files, be them web browsers, word docs, whatever. It is invaluable for coding and graphics too when screen space is really needed. Much more useful than a bigger widescreen monitor and usually cheaper. For gaming you can just use the single screen or in a lot of upcoming games you can set the second monitor to display a map or other tactical info.
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Yes I agree re the need to monitor colours on a proper CRT. I use the pass through on my mini dv cam to output to a 15" monitor. When I referred (above) to having the monitor window open on a second screen that was meaning the clip / timeline monitor window in Premiere. Fine for editing, compositing, titling etc but not suitable for colour balancing or grading.
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 1:23pm

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Well not only is the colour space different on the pc to start with. As people are switching over to TFTs they don't even show that too well.
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cinemafreak wrote:

Um. Why?

You have vegas video right? Why would you want to fork over another $6,000 for a mac and editing apps? Yes, $6000. That is how much money it will take to switch platforms to a nice mac-pro w/ final cut studio.
Huh?? I have all those apps and a very fast Mac and I am nowhere near $6K...

A second monitor is very useful for any type of animation (where you're working with an expanded timeline) and of course video editing. The downside is the second monitor will eat up half of your video card's memory - which is why I stopped using one.

However..

This leads me to a side question about external monitors - will FXhome products support using an external monitor (via camera, card, etc.) for color correction / grading? Having a calibrated monitor (even a TV) would be a huge help, especially if we're not outputting our projects for the web.

Thanks-
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ccirelli wrote:

cinemafreak wrote:

Um. Why?

You have vegas video right? Why would you want to fork over another $6,000 for a mac and editing apps? Yes, $6000. That is how much money it will take to switch platforms to a nice mac-pro w/ final cut studio.
Huh?? I have all those apps and a very fast Mac and I am nowhere near $6K...

1200 for FCP
Elab 150
GL2 with batteries and case (standard package) 2000
Mac: 2000

6K is not that far off-
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 4:14pm

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Ahh - the camera. Didn't catch that GL2 in 1 dollar budget's post. But cinemafreak only mentions "a nice mac-pro w/fcs" in his reply - $3800.
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 4:40pm

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ccirelli wrote:

Ahh - the camera. Didn't catch that GL2 in 1 dollar budget's post. But cinemafreak only mentions "a nice mac-pro w/fcs" in his reply - $3800.
Yeah- but getting the camera from a good dealer with a few basic accessories will still cost ya around 2K...
BUT like you said- the actual computer upgrade part of that is NOT 6K
Posted: Wed, 7th Mar 2007, 8:32pm

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1200 for FCP
Elab 150
GL2 with batteries and case (standard package) 2000
Mac: 2000

6K is not that far off-
What I meant to say was between 4 and 6k , but a Mac for $2000? The current line of mac pros start at $2499. That is with the least accessories. I configured a machine at apple.com. Starting with the minimum $2499 machine I added another GB ram, another 500 or so GB of hard drive space, and a 20" display, (all worthwhile upgrades for the serious filmmaker) and I have a subtotal of about $4000. This doesn't really matter however, because $1 Budget says he is going to buy a mac mini.

1 Dollar Budget:

Don't buy a mac mini. The mac mini is pretty much apple's equivalent of an emachine. Is doesn't have a whole lot of memory, hard disk space or upgradability. It is something meant to meet the basic needs of a consumer, not satisfy the technical needs of a filmmaker. I would think that mac and pc editors alike would advise you not to make this choice.
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Don't get a mac mini if you're planning on doing intense video editing.

Seriously dude, you're going to regret it. I suggest getting a real workstation mac, and getting Final Cut Express instead of Pro. Pro isn't even supported on the Intel Macs (that's what I hear) while Express is, so save yourself the $900 and put it towards something useful. Like a more powerful computer.
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well what about iMacs there pretty cheap and they look like they'ed be pretty good. thanks for the advice.
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You still haven't answered my question as to why you want to switch platforms.
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sorry... i was kinda preoccupied, anyways the reason i want to switch is

1.) Final Cut express (i find Vegas Movie Studio (not vegas video) anoying at times)

2.) the color is better...or so people say( but thats just a minor reason)

3.) I have an intel celeron and find it stupid to spend $300+ on upgrading to duo and then spend $200+ on Vegas Video and then another $110 on Elab. then spend another $100+ on other upgrades (graphics card, memory, ect.) When I could just buy a mac with a better editor and already has an intel 2 duo for $1648 (MacBook & Final Cut)

and I just dont like pc's very much i dont know why i just dont, i'd rather have a mac

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Posted: Thu, 8th Mar 2007, 12:09am

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Final Cut Pro isn't even supported on the Intel Macs (that's what I hear).
Yes it is. All FCP Pro users could turn in their original discs, pay a small fee of $100, and could get the FCP Pro with the universal binary.

1 dollar budget wrote:

When I could just buy a mac with a better editor and already has an intel duo for $1200 (iMac & Final Cut)
Where are you getting it from at that price?
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3.) I have an intel celeron and find it stupid to spend $300+ on upgrading to duo and then spend $600 on Vegas Video and then another $110 on Elab. then spend another $100+ on other upgrades (graphics card, memory, ect.) When I could just buy a mac with a better editor and already has an intel duo for $1200 (iMac & Final Cut)
Go here:

www.academicsuperstore.com

as for editing with the stupid line thing, I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about but in every editing application you will have a cursor and a timeline.

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Dont confuse Intel Core 2 Duo with Intel Core Duo. Core 2 Duo is current and fast. Core Duo is old and not fast. smile
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cinemafreak wrote:

3.) I have an intel celeron and find it stupid to spend $300+ on upgrading to duo and then spend $600 on Vegas Video and then another $110 on Elab. then spend another $100+ on other upgrades (graphics card, memory, ect.) When I could just buy a mac with a better editor and already has an intel duo for $1200 (iMac & Final Cut)
Go here:

www.academicsuperstore.com

as for editing with the stupid line thing, I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about but in every editing application you will have a cursor and a timeline.
Yeah, academic super store is the best place to go. Here is a more direct link if your lazy like me...
biggrin http://www.academicsuperstore.com/market/marketdisp.html?PartNo=763575
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Lithium Kraft wrote:

I suggest getting a real workstation mac, and getting Final Cut Express instead of Pro. Pro isn't even supported on the Intel Macs (that's what I hear) while Express is, so save yourself the $900 and put it towards something useful. Like a more powerful computer.
Final Cut Studio (which includes FCP) is fully supported on Intel Macs, except for any model with the Intel GMA 950 graphics card. This currently includes:

- all Mac Mini models
- all MacBook models (not MacBook Pros)
- the entry-level 17" iMac

To help simplify things, you need to start out with two things: a real number for your budget, and a very solid idea of what you want to do with this equipment. We can talk circles about what the best setup is for the money, but honestly we're wasting time without a real starting point.

But again, from my point of view if you want to edit video on a Mac without breaking the bank: iMac 20" (as loaded as you can afford) with Final Cut Express. At this stage, based on what I gather from this thread, you do not need a Mac Pro and Final Cut Studio. There will be a new Mac Pro lineup announced soon, so now would not be the ideal time to buy one anyway.
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cinemafreak wrote:

1 dollar budget wrote:

ok... forget about dual moniters for the moment. i was just wandering cause im going from pc to mac and im getting a gl2, final cut, and Elab
Um. Why?

You have vegas video right? Why would you want to fork over another $6,000 for a mac and editing apps? Yes, $6000. That is how much money it will take to switch platforms to a nice mac-pro w/ final cut studio.
Ah, yes, fact. You will indeed need $6,000 and a 4 story house to own a Mac.

My Mac (with shipping + Final Cut Studio) cost me $4,000, and I had a high end one at the time. The new iMacs are evem cheaper and they are great for editing. When I got dual monitors, editing was never the same. If you have Final Cut, you will love dual monitors. Make sure your video card is dual DVI or it has a VGA port. Mine had ADC, and I had to buy an abstract VGA to ADC convertor for $60. Final Cut typically consists of 4 main windows: Your viewer, your canvas, your timeline, and your browser. If you can put the viewer full size on another screen, it makes playback and editing, and organizing your windows much more friendly. It's useful of course for tons of other things, but if I were you, I'd find an acceptable monitor to use as a second monitor.

Also, I'd wait a little longer for Leapord and possibly FCS6. You'll be kicking yourself when you are one generation behind. I got all my stuff right when it came out and it felt great (I am up-to-date right now, but it won't last much longer.)
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Ah, yes, fact. You will indeed need $6,000 and a 4 story house to own a Mac.
Nope, but you might need a 3 story house.

Don't get me wrong, I like the mac system and I like final cut pro. If I would start all over again I might to it on mac, but I have a kickass pc and have been editing pc for 3 years. Switching now wouldn't make financial sense.

You must accept that when compared to pc's, macs are the more expensive of the two. You can pay about 1-2k less to build/buy a pc of a certain speed/power, compared with a corresponding mac of similar strength.
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cinemafreak wrote:

You must accept that when compared to pc's, macs are the more expensive of the two. You can pay about 1-2k less to build/buy a pc of a certain speed/power, compared with a corresponding mac of similar strength.
On the high end machines, you are looking at the opposite scenario. Outfit a mid-range Mac Pro and then build a Dell or HP with the same specs - you will be surprised. On the low end - $599 for a Mini? Not bad with everything it includes. The mid-range models are where you might see a difference, maybe a few hundred dollars though. Then there's the total cost of ownership scenario, paying for anti-virus on Windows, a few hundred bucks for Vista Ultimate, bla bla. It all evens out I suppose.

Computers are just tools anyway, they are nothing without a good creative filmmaker behind them. Rule of thumb is, go with works for you, what you're comfortable with. smile
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Macs are much more expensive in my experience, even the apps.

But I digress-
I think you guys are all spoiled -
I edit on an off the shelf HP (less than 600.00) with 2G of RAM (maybe 280.00) a used dual monitor graphics card (60) and two external 300GB drives (less than 150 each)- I've been using this system for 5 years- so I'm WAY out of date, but I'm not missing anything really. My system is fast and reliable and I've added to it- first expanded the RAM awhile back, then the external drive, then another one, etc.. AND I parted out my old computer on EBay for about 250 at the time- and it was a Frankenstein machine built out of all manner of used bits... I have a very minimal investment compared to some of you...
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So I'm picturing a train, racing down some tracks. Cut to close-up shot of a loose bolt, violently shaking and almost breaking free of the axle it's holding together... cut to a wider shot of our train, full of people, just flying toward the bridge... now, this bridge is supposed to carry the train safely over what I like to call the "Mac vs. PC Valley", but, we all know what's going to happen...

<insert effects shot here>

wink Just havin' some fun.
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ccirelli wrote:

So I'm picturing a train, racing down some tracks. Cut to close-up shot of a loose bolt, violently shaking and almost breaking free of the axle it's holding together... cut to a wider shot of our train, full of people, just flying toward the bridge... now, this bridge is supposed to carry the train safely over what I like to call the "Mac vs. PC Valley", but, we all know what's going to happen...

<insert effects shot here>

wink Just havin' some fun.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO-

Not my intent, Macs are great, but you can obviously get into PC editing for quite a bit cheaper.
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I find it crazy up there when someone say you can trade in to get a compatible version of FCP for just $100. Why should you have to pay at all? And the OS updates cost money as well when over on the PC the equivalent is a free service pack. Its this sort of attitude that really puts my off macs and apple in general.
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Kid wrote:

I find it crazy up there when someone say you can trade in to get a compatible version of FCP for just $100. Why should you have to pay at all? And the OS updates cost money as well when over on the PC the equivalent is a free service pack. Its this sort of attitude that really puts my off macs and apple in general.
It's $49, actually. But it's a major, major update to the software. I don't mind paying a few bucks for quality programming and massive speed boots. Example? My iMac Intel encodes 99 minutes of video (NTSC to MPEG2, for DVD) in Compressor in a little over 2 hours. On my PowerPC Dual G5? 15 hours.

That one encode session alone more than paid for the cross-grade (time-wise). But what you're paying for is the processing and shipping of 4 new installer DVD's. Considering you have to pay at least $50 per year for anti-virus on a PC.. like I said earlier all this evens out.
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ccirelli wrote:

Kid wrote:

I find it crazy up there when someone say you can trade in to get a compatible version of FCP for just $100. Why should you have to pay at all? And the OS updates cost money as well when over on the PC the equivalent is a free service pack. Its this sort of attitude that really puts my off macs and apple in general.
It's $49, actually. But it's a major, major update to the software. I don't mind paying a few bucks for quality programming and massive speed boots. Example? My iMac Intel encodes 99 minutes of video (NTSC to MPEG2, for DVD) in Compressor in a little over 2 hours. On my PowerPC Dual G5? 15 hours.

That one encode session alone more than paid for the cross-grade (time-wise). But what you're paying for is the processing and shipping of 4 new installer DVD's. Considering you have to pay at least $50 per year for anti-virus on a PC.. like I said earlier all this evens out.
Uh- I hate to break this to you, but anti-virus is available for FREE on the PC if you know where to look- I'm not talking about pirating either- there is TONS of stuff out there for windows that is just, well, plain FREE!

But- I get your point, Macs aren't nearly as susceptable to viruses...yet.