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Barbie Girl

Posted: Tue, 13th Mar 2007, 9:14am

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From the makers of the flamboyant likes of the critically-acclaimed "Afternoon Delight", comes a similar brand of music video sung to the 90s smash hit "Barbie Girl". In this delightfully colorful and fun-filled video, the same rules applied as with 'Afternoon Delight'.

This was shot in two hours (since I had previous experience with certain workable locations from 'AD', it went rather quickly) and edited in a little over one hour. The final product isn't as good or as thought-out as I would've preferred, but as always: it hits the target audience where it needs to.

I worked on this one without Ben's assistance and got one of my first real shots at showing my ability with the GL2, so I hope you enjoy it!

One friend or another gets these every semester for 4 years, so expect a couple more music videos before the end of next year.

Oh yes, Arktic, here comes the battle of the music videos!


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Posted: Tue, 13th Mar 2007, 3:03pm

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This was shot in two hours
That shows. The shots seemed unimaginative and fairly standard. While they didn't strike me as "bad" in the strict sense, they didn't strike me as "good" either.

Unfortunately, the embarassement bonus from Afternoon Delight was already used in that video, so this brings nothing really new to the table. (Except some girls... and girls are always good, so you get a start for that alone wink )

The grading was solid in places and did fit the mood. Good choice of color. There was again some ugly frameblending in some of the shots, which distraced. Need to take care of those.


All in all, a 3. Nothing remarkable, nothing terrible. Simply average.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 1:12am

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Well, I second everything sollthar mentioned. I was really on the border between a 2 and a 3, but here's what tipped me over to the 2:
  • As sollthar said, the camera angles weren't creative at all... my eight year old sister could pick up a camera and do what you did, no problem.
  • I heard a little bit of bad audio compression in the beginning. Come on, there's no excuse for that.
  • The girls looked completely not into it, as if you were forcing a performance out of them.
Sorry man, this one didn't do it for me.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 1:56am

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Wow, Timmy. Your amount of tenacity in that post was almost equal to my own severe critique. However, since this is my work we're dealing with, I was hoping you could give me some more info on your review.

TimmyD wrote:

the camera angles weren't creative at all... my eight year old sister could pick up a camera and do what you did, no problem
Could you elaborate? Your metaphor is pretty harsh for what I would consider pretty solid camerawork. Sure, it doesn't have anything new or fresh in it, but I fail to see how it is less imaginative or creative than a little girl sticking a camera on a tripod leaving 3 times more headspace than the size of the person on frame.

Maybe it's just me.

TimmyD wrote:

I heard a little bit of bad audio compression in the beginning. Come on, there's no excuse for that.
A little bit of bad audio, in the beginning? Come on, yourself. That's called compression in general. No excuse? I don't see what you mean. Surely you must know some points of picture and/or audio quality are diminished when formatting and compressing. There's no perfect compressor. You should know that. I don't see how this affects the quality or content of the video, or the rating.

Again, maybe it's just me.

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he girls looked completely not into it, as if you were forcing a performance out of them.
This is something I obviously can't fix, and as you say, I did do my best to "force it out of them", but, again, how does that diminish the content of the video, at least the "forced" part? I'm not trying to attack, just curious.

I also thought that Rhys, the guy in the video, did a good job picking up the slack.

Thanks to both of you.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 4:29am

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hilarious, although a little bland.
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Atom wrote:

Wow, Timmy. Your amount of tenacity in that post was almost equal to my own severe critique. However, since this is my work we're dealing with, I was hoping you could give me some more info on your review.

TimmyD wrote:

the camera angles weren't creative at all... my eight year old sister could pick up a camera and do what you did, no problem
Could you elaborate? Your metaphor is pretty harsh for what I would consider pretty solid camerawork. Sure, it doesn't have anything new or fresh in it, but I fail to see how it is less imaginative or creative than a little girl sticking a camera on a tripod leaving 3 times more headspace than the size of the person on frame.

Maybe it's just me.

TimmyD wrote:

I heard a little bit of bad audio compression in the beginning. Come on, there's no excuse for that.
A little bit of bad audio, in the beginning? Come on, yourself. That's called compression in general. No excuse? I don't see what you mean. Surely you must know some points of picture and/or audio quality are diminished when formatting and compressing. There's no perfect compressor. You should know that. I don't see how this affects the quality or content of the video, or the rating.

Again, maybe it's just me.

TimmyD wrote:

he girls looked completely not into it, as if you were forcing a performance out of them.
This is something I obviously can't fix, and as you say, I did do my best to "force it out of them", but, again, how does that diminish the content of the video, at least the "forced" part? I'm not trying to attack, just curious.

I also thought that Rhys, the guy in the video, did a good job picking up the slack.

Thanks to both of you.
So then, may I be bold and ask, what are you responsible for?
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 5:17pm

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I think this is generally ok shot (although the zooming and shaking camera without tripod detracts) and edited, but the style is exactly the same as Afternoon Delight so the concept feels old. You've graded it similarly, so nothing feels different.

Try doing something different with the next ones, especially different style. I can't believe the mandate of every video your friends have to do is sing a song whilst making fools out of yourselves... "ironically".

It hits the target audience where it needs to.
I'm hurting in a place I didn't know existed.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 8:29pm

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Mellifluous wrote:

I think this is generally ok shot (although the zooming and shaking camera without tripod detracts) and edited, but the style is exactly the same as Afternoon Delight so the concept feels old. You've graded it similarly, so nothing feels different.
And this is a problem. But, Afternoon Delight was my own personal project for my own grade, so I had the creative control. And although Barbie Girl is mostly a culmination of my ideas, it was said to "make it like Afternoon Delight!" and that's what I did, in a different variation, of course. Grading can only really go two ways with me, greenish high-contrast or mellow glowy-feely. I tried to break off from the those on this one (notice more emphasis on color and less of glow, more desaturation on earth tones), but things never turn out exactly as you want them. I agree, though. There's not that fresh feel. Heck, we even shot the opening (which I desperately wanted to change but faced a reluctant cast) at the same place as Afternoon Delight!

Thanks for the comments, still.

Try doing something different with the next ones, especially different style. I can't believe the mandate of every video your friends have to do is sing a song whilst making fools out of yourselves... "ironically".
Well, I don't choose the song, so I bend my style around the tone of the song. I had really wished for a hardcore rap or something, but the final word was "Barbie Girl". I didn't want to do some cheapened 90s-style greenscreen video, so I went the AD direction. I get what you're saying, though. I hope next semester someone comes to me with some Ghostface Killa. wink
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 8:31pm

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The camerawork issues have been addressed, and I instructed to look in sollthar's post for how I feel about the camera work. Mellifluous posted more about the camera work, so you can also look at his post.

Atom wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

I heard a little bit of bad audio compression in the beginning. Come on, there's no excuse for that.
A little bit of bad audio, in the beginning? Come on, yourself. That's called compression in general. No excuse? I don't see what you mean. Surely you must know some points of picture and/or audio quality are diminished when formatting and compressing. There's no perfect compressor. You should know that. I don't see how this affects the quality or content of the video, or the rating.
To tell me that you can't get CD-quality audio when compressing for the web would be a lie. Naturally audio quality diminishes upon compression, but the matter is whether or not the compression artifacts are audible. You know I'm a big baby when it comes to audio compression, so disregard this should you so wish, but just remember that there will be some people who look upon your film as worse than I should be looked on because of how the work is presented to them. Presentation factors into the rating.

Atom wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

he girls looked completely not into it, as if you were forcing a performance out of them.
This is something I obviously can't fix, and as you say, I did do my best to "force it out of them", but, again, how does that diminish the content of the video, at least the "forced" part? I'm not trying to attack, just curious.

I also thought that Rhys, the guy in the video, did a good job picking up the slack.
You should never force a performance out of your actors! A forced performance is unrealistic and just plain bad. Your job as the director is to instruct the actors in a way that results in the desired performance flowing freely from them, naturally.

You've asked how the points I mention effect the overall rating, and it's quite simple. To watch a film and not rate it on all factors, including presentation and acting, would be to rate it inaccurately.

I hope you understand what I've said, none of it is intended to come across as spiteful.

EDIT: And I would not even download a music video to a rap song. smile
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 8:41pm

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Two of the girls were horrible actors and that pretty much ruined it for me. There were other problems but it turned out alright, I think.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 9:17pm

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Lip sync was unusually poor.

Again, what everyone else said, mediocre camera angles.

It is impressive getting girls to do anything on camera though. Good job there.

Still trying to figure out the "pooping" scene. I have no idea what that was about. It didn't seem to fit at all.

Overall, I was expecting better.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 10:13pm

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I'm sorry, but how in the world are the camera angles mediocre? They are free-moving, with pans and dollying-ins and dutch-angle-ish stuff. How is that mediocre?

Again, maybe it's me.
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Atom wrote:

Again, maybe it's me.
It is.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 10:23pm

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Well, for camera angles to be good it's not enough to simply move your camera and pan it around. You need to compose the shot, make it work, have artistic integrity, have shot diversity, use different angles, make the shot TELL something in favor of the story/context etc.

Some shots in your Splinter Cell teasers had that. But this one just lacks imagination. It looks fairly "point and shoot". The grading can't fool anyone really that what lies beneath it isn't very thought through.
Which is pretty much all you can do in 2 hours I might add.

Spending more time is the only key to get more then average results. Unless you're either EXTREMELY talented or EXTREMELY experienced.


I recommend watching Warning Sign, Between the lines or the "Zugriff" Trailers for some ideas on what makes camera work good.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 10:24pm

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TimmyD wrote:

Atom wrote:

Again, maybe it's me.
It is.
You're quite the speculatory SOB lately, aren't you Tim? wink

And, I'm sorry, but I can't help bad acting past a certain point when I'm stuck with an immutable cast. Would you not agree?

Sollthar wrote:

Spending more time is the only key to get more then average results. Unless you're either EXTREMELY talented or EXTREMELY experienced.
Well, you know me. I did get first place in a 24 hour competition. wink

I recommend watching Warning Sign, Between the lines or the "Zugriff" Trailers for some ideas on what makes camera work good.
I understand what you're saying, and thank you for the comps on Splinter Cell. The problem with Warning Sign is to me it seems fairly cookie-cutter, point-and-shoot to me as well. "Just alot of tracking a guy walking" is what I got from that, so perhaps and can understand and appreciate your response with that view in-mind.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 10:29pm

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Rating: +1

And, I'm sorry, but I can't help bad acting past a certain point when I'm stuck with an immutable cast. Would you not agree?
Why would that matter though?

It makes utterly no difference what you COULD have done or COULD NOT have done. The only thing if interest is what you did and what's in that video. According to that, it is rated.

All those stories why this and that is the way it is might be interesting for some, but I can't see where it's relevant.

It's the final result that counts.

But besides, you can do everything against bad acting. Don't spend 2 hours, spend 20, work with them for 18. Do it again and again and again until they get it right. If they can't, get someone else. If you can't, find someone who can etc. smile

Well, you know me. I did get first place in a 24 hour competition.
Heh yeah. But while spending little time on something might be fun for once or necessary for a contest like that, it's not an "excuse" really.
And if you spend little time for whatever reason, don't be surprised when the outcome is average. Why wouldn't it be?

My video Final Day was done in a video class and I simply had a play around within like 3 hours or so slapping random fire footage on everything together with some mates. And it looked accordingly and got rated accordingly. Why care? smile
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Sollthar wrote:

And, I'm sorry, but I can't help bad acting past a certain point when I'm stuck with an immutable cast. Would you not agree?
Why would that matter though?

It makes utterly no difference what you COULD have done or COULD NOT have done. The only thing if interest is what you did and what's in that video. According to that, it is rated.

All those stories why this and that is the way it is might be interesting for some, but I can't see where it's relevant.

It's the final result that counts.

But besides, you can do everything against bad acting. Don't spend 2 hours, spend 20, work with them for 18. Do it again and again and again until they get it right. If they can't, get someone else. If you can't, find someone who can etc. smile
This is carrying-on too much, but let me say this: Your point makes sense, but isn't valid in this situation. This project was brought to me saying those specific people had to be in it and no one else. (That's always how the project goes, to pair up unlikely matches). I knew the acting would be atrocious, so I put the emphasis of the material on the guy, Rhys. And when I'm working on someone else's schedule as a favor, with a set cast that I can't change-

Should I say to myself:
"Then I just won't do it, if it can't go the way I want/need it to."

or do I say

"I'll give it a shot and do my best to work around it."

Because Ben and Chase (my teamo extremo! lol.) have been making the rationale to do the former, and I just don't think that way.
Posted: Wed, 14th Mar 2007, 10:48pm

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No, you didn't seem to get what I'm saying.

Bluntly, it's this:

"Stop explaining, no one cares. Your product is average and no one cares about why that is." wink
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Ouch. wink
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Atom, I don't think anyone is questioning that you have talent. You guys definitely do. It's just your level of talent. It gets really tiring how you never take any responsibility for anything wrong with the films. I can foresee you not hitting your peak early on and stopping at the same level your at now just because you're not willing to take feedback and apply it.

I understand your limited timeframe, whatever, etc. God forbid people give you feedback for a project you've worked 2 weeks on.

I know I've ribbed you guys and poked fun a lot so take this as a grain of salt if you want, but please...The industry whether amateur or professional doesn't need more people that act like nothing is their fault and not taking responsibility for something your putting your name on.
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I felt bad about being a little too harsh earlier so I decided to see what I could do to bump you up another star on my rating. Then I saw you gave your own video 5 stars...
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Lord XT wrote:

I felt bad about being a little too harsh earlier so I decided to see what I could do to bump you up another star on my rating. Then I saw you gave your own video 5 stars...
I think FXhome should disable the ability of a director rating their own films. Just a thought.
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First off, thanks all for your comments and criticism, it does help me-no matter how much I deny responsibility. LordXT, everybody is entitled to their own opinion and rating. I meant to give myself a 4, honestly. Either way, frowned-upon or not, directors have the ability to rate their own films, and I'm going to use that ability.

I know it isn't always the greatest thing, and if it bothers anybody I'd be happy to take it off. I just don't want my movie-rating ability, like my -1ing button, taken away completely.

And thanks for the spill King Rhymes. I appreciate it, just like I did your first comment to me:

KR's first words to Atom wrote:

Way to make friends and influence people, dumbass.
As always, words of wisdom. wink
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Dancamfx wrote:

I think FXhome should disable the ability of a director rating their own films. Just a thought.
This is a valid suggestion that I am sure others would agree with, and suggestions are of course always welcome, but perhaps this is not the most appropriate forum/topic to discuss it. Let's try to focus on the topic at hand.

On to my thoughts about the video; while I will agree that a large majority of the shots in this video seemed uninspired, none of them are particularly bad, and there are a few that did work a bit better, mostly nearing the end.

In terms of continuity, there were definitely a few things that, had they been pre-discussed/more thought out, would have added to the end result, but instead, detracted from everything else. A few of the group singing shots, in particular, were rather disjointed.

An example of this would be at the 1:26 mark. The male (Rhys) is singing in between the girls, one of the girls is not singing, while the other two girls are (though I am not sure who should be singing at this point). Things such as this are spread through out the video.

For continuity sake, I also think it would have benefited this video if the lead male singer did not lip-sync to the female part of the song in some instances, but not at other times (not at all would make the most sense). In the same respect, the female singers should not have decided to sing the male part at various, seemingly random sections as well.

It has been some time since I have seen the actual music video for this song, and do not know if this is in fact what it does, but in this case, it made it appear as if there was little to no planning for most of these shots. Perhaps this also gives the impression that the camera angles must not have had any forethought as well.

As for the grading, I thought this was quite suitable for the feel of the song, even if similar to 'Afternoon Delight'. It is quite obvious you put effort into this element, and that should receive due credit. As for my vote, I am giving this a three out of five.

Take care.
Wizard.
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Sorry Atom, but I cannot take credit for saying that. The fact is I never said that. I'd appreciate at least a PM apology for accusing me of harassing you in that way. The real post and person saying that can be found HERE

(4 Posts from the bottom.)

I didn't think you'd take any of my advice, regardless of what I've said to you in the past but whatever. Good luck.
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well, first of all nearly everything i was gonna say has already been said, the grading was good in places and the camera was a bit distracting.
a little bit of fun here, go to 1.35 and you can see an old woman walking looking at you guys possibly thinking "what the hell" wink

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Sorry about that wizard. It was just off the top of my head.
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I haven't watched this yet, so can't add any film critique at the moment. But I do want to say "holy crap!" 54 megs for less than 3 minutes! Compression my freind, compression. IMToo Mpeg encoder 3 can drop that file down to less than 10Megs using the same screen size and is virtually lossless. As for film critique, I'll get to it once it's finished downloading. biggrin
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Yeah it took me 30 minutes to download it and I have cable!
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The compression isn't terrible for medium quality QT, but I'll try to work on that in the future. Also, for whatever reason Ben and I can't seem to fix: our server is undeniably and ridiculously slow. Sorry for that.

And sorry, King Rhymes, I could've sworn from memory that it was you. Thought that'd be a nice little anecdote, too. wink In all seriousness: apology given. Also, I want you to know I've always taken your advice in some form, even if I deny it. I'm and impressionable person, and while I may get fussy from negative feedback I do appreciate it and (hopefully) learn from it.
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I agree with most of the critiques. The camera, well, it was just normal. I didn't get annoyed or 'wowed' I'm not jumping up and down about it.

The acting wasn't that great. By acting I mean lip syncing. It was quite poor. It looks like you had fun doing the video, but to someone like me that doesn't know you in person, it wasn't that great.

And so I conclude with the comment you gave me about my username:

And the funny and not-stupid-inside-joke part of that was....?

wink
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Rating: +1

Oh yes, Arktic, here comes the battle of the music videos!
Currently:

Warning sign: 4.6
Video killed the radio star: 4.0

Afternoon Delight: 3.9
Barbie Girl: 2.7

I'd say flatout KO... smile



On the compression I'd recommend using a bitrate of about 500 kbps and AAC audio. 50 MB for 2 and half minutes is pretty bad. Especially with a slow server as you seem to have it - took me an hour to download.

You can get that file down to 15 to 20 MB without any loss of quality easily once you figure out the correct settings.

What do you use for compression?

EDIT

Here, check this file for example:

http://www.nightcast.net/outtake.mov

It's 2 minutes and 10 seconds, almost Pal resolution (600x338) and is only 12 MB in size.

I'd recommend using Quicktime Pro with these settings:

Video: Sorensen 3 or H.264, limit bitrate to 500 kbps, set quality to 75% and use a keyframe every 100 frames.
Audio: AAC Stereo at 44 Khz, limit bitrate to 112 kbps

With these settings, your file will look about the same and won't be larger then 15 MB.
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Rating: -3

Well, we don't have Quicktime Pro. We have Video Explosion Deluxe. I'm sorry that we're poor, freakin' stop badgering him about it.
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ben3308 wrote:

Well, we don't have Quicktime Pro. We have Video Explosion Deluxe. I'm sorry that we're poor, freakin' stop badgering him about it.
Why would you need either? You can export straight from Premiere/Most editing suites.

I've voiced my opinion regarding your ridiculous compression before and won't be downloading this until the size / time I have to wait are sorted out. Sorry chaps.

-Hybrid.
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Are we in a mood today sir ben? smile

Well, never heard of Video Explosion Deluxe. Sounds groovy. Should it allow you to adjust settings, I would recommend using something similar to what I described above. And as long as you have a server that stops at like 10 kbps, I'd think of higher compression if you want to reach a wider audience.

Just trying to help. Compression is a difficult thing to get right. Too many codecs around these days.
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ben3308 wrote:

Well, we don't have Quicktime Pro.
If neither your editor nor Video Explosion Deluxe can use the settings that sollthar recommends, MOVCreator can do it. It doesn't have all the features of QT Pro but it will give you most of the options sollthar recommended. (Just use IMA 4:1 instead of AAC in MOVCreator.)

I also highly recommend this tutorial:
High quality at low bit rates
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Thanks, Hendo. My copy of Vegas (I won't say through what means I've acquired it....) is bugging out on me, so we've been strictly Video Explosion Deluxe lately; which only affords me a "Quicktime Template" of 512kbps, 1mbps, and 3mbps.
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ben3308 wrote:

Well, we don't have Quicktime Pro. We have Video Explosion Deluxe. I'm sorry that we're poor, freakin' stop badgering him about it.
Poor? Quicktime pro costs $30. Film production is an expensive hobby/career but $30 is nothing compared to other programs.
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Sorry, but myself, my friends, parents, and grandparents don't have credit cards to purchase it with.
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Sorry, but myself, my friends, parents, and grandparents don't have credit cards to purchase it with.
Sounds like bad planning and bad use of budget to me. I would have done things much differently.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

Sorry, but myself, my friends, parents, and grandparents don't have credit cards to purchase it with.
Sounds like bad planning and bad use of budget to me. I would have done things much differently.

-Hybrid.
I don't know if you're referring to the purchase of QTPro or this statement, but either way: Credit cards put people in a lifetime of debt and without knowledge of our circumstances you have no place judging our financial planning. It was by fluke and many thanks that we were able to use a credit card to buy AlamDV2. Perhaps you do things differently, that's your prerogative. We do things differently, as you may know, too. wink

Now if you were referring to purchasing QTPro, that's a different story.
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Credit cards dont put people into a lifetime of debt, people put themselves into a lifetime of debt. You only go into debt as far as you allow yourself to go. I racked up some debt on mine and I've learned my lesson. It was my fault, i've corrected it smile

But back on topic -> I'd try and see what you can do about compression (like others mentioned). I was on a t1 line and it was really slow for d/l which actually stopped me from watching the whole thing. From what I saw i thought it was about how other people have commented.

What about flash video? You could set up a youtube-like video player and have it streamed like that? .FLVs are great for filesize. (Although I don't know how/if that works for fxhome's movie submission... example of what i mean can be seen here http://www.kylechappell.com/videos/ )

-MAGIC
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I wanted to like this, but it was far more similar to your other music video then I had expected....

The grading was decent, but the camera work wasn't as good as you guys usually do.

I also made a music video lately, and it's not a simple task, so I can appreciate the time spent, but...

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I've already seen it, but thanks. Good job, not quite what I would do, but still. Nice plug, too. wink
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ben3308 wrote:

Sorry, but myself, my friends, parents, and grandparents don't have credit cards to purchase it with.
I didnt think it was possible not to have one at this time in age. I dont have a credit card myself but my friends, parents, and grandparents do.
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Dancamfx wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

Sorry, but myself, my friends, parents, and grandparents don't have credit cards to purchase it with.
I didnt think it was possible not to have one at this time in age. I dont have a credit card myself but my friends, parents, and grandparents do.
Like I said before, as we are brothers and have the same relatives: credit cards bring on debt. Not directly, but with temptation and 4 kids, it's hard not to find yourself owing some company. So we stopped using them, it's that simple. Probably helped us more than we could imagine, too. I don't see how this doesn't make sense to you all.
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Very amatereuish budget planning from your side there. I would definately have invested in a credit card. You get so many things for a lot cheaper in online shops and it's downright unprofessional not to have a credit card to purchase stuff.
Getting in depth is just pure amateur. I've had a credit card since I was 16 and I never managed to get myself into any sort of depth. I guess I just use it better.

*slight hint at Atoms edited post in the RvD2 thread in case he didn't get the sarcasm in Hybrids and my own post... which it seems he didn't* wink
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Getting in depth is just pure amateur. I've had a credit card since I was 16 and I never managed to get myself into any sort of depth. I guess I just use it better.
Sorry, but your use of "depth" has been cracking me up for quite a while... just got around to writing this... and why do you not get yourself into depth...do you not like swimming? wink
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You don't need a credit card for online purchases - just use a debit card. I've never owned a credit card and never intend to, for exactly the debt risk issues you mention (I'm terrible with numbers/finances) but you don't need them for web purchases such as FXhome and Quicktime.
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Tarn, you're absolutely spot on on this one.

If you're under 18, you need parental consent to get a credit card. And apparently, you bar none have to be 18 to get a debit card, I've tried, my bank has turned me down a number of times. All I'm allowed is a "cash card" which only affords me the amount of money I put on it, and it works like cash. So if I make 400 dollars doing a video, but I've already purchased the cash card, that 400 dollars can't be used in conjunction with it. Also, if I lose the card by any chance, I lose the money. Not to mention, not a lot of retailers even accept the cash card.

So Sollthar, don't call something "amateurish budgeting" when you really don't know what you're talking about. I've learned (somewhat, I guess smile ) not to speak ignorantly upon subjects I know very little about; so don't try and call it "downright unprofessional" of us not to have credit cards when we have absolutely no means of obtaining one.

Good day to all of you. I just finished a shoot 100 miles from my house where the guys promoting it declined the graphic designs I'd spent hours on (logo design) and my co-directing on their promo video didn't end up being compensated monetarily.

So I'm a bit on the edge right now.

Funny how these movie threads of ours always turn in to bigger arguments about life in some regard.
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ben3308 wrote:

If you're under 18, you need parental consent to get a credit card. And apparently, you bar none have to be 18 to get a debit card
Ah, how very annoying! I don't believe that's the case in the UK, though I could be wrong - it's been a while. razz

and my co-directing on their promo video didn't end up being compensated monetarily.
That doesn't sound good - did you not get anything written down contractually? If you're expecting money for a job, always get it written down and signed. smile Even if it's only a 'minor' job. If you've got any of the assets your end, simply don't hand them over until they pay you.
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Not all credit cards lead to dept, most people think they do but the reason people go into dept is because they go over their limit and the intrest charges build up. Its easier to spend money with a credit card, but if your responsible you will not go into dept.
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ben3308 wrote:

Not to mention, not a lot of retailers even accept the cash card.
These type of cash credit cards, when used properly help your credit rating so that when you are of age, you have a much better chance of getting better rates on your card.

Your statement above though is somewhat false. If you use a debit card, with a VISA, AMEX, or MC logo on the card most if not all online retailers will accept it.

If you'd rather not use these features, Paypal has a really cool system: my paypal account is tied to my back account. When I want to make a purchase, the Paypal system enters in a temporary AMEX card number on the merchants website. You make the purchase and get your stuff. The credit card number is destroyed and at your next purchase, you get a new unique number.

For me it wasn't credit cards that got me in trouble, it was a brand new car. redface
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For me it wasn't credit cards that got me in trouble, it was a brand new car. redface
Haha. Don't forget those living costs for that kid of yours. Those'll kill ya! wink

And we use bank/citi debit cards, for the same debt issue with the major cc providers. But enough of that, I know what I say is clear and logical and don't need to defend it any longer. If Tarn agrees: IT'S THE LAW. wink

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Haha yeah, tell me about it. I actually got a real job with a livable wage though so the diapers are comin' in by the crate.
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ben3308 wrote:

And apparently, you bar none have to be 18 to get a debit card, I've tried, my bank has turned me down a number of times.
That's strange. Because I'm 14 and I've got 2 debits that I use consistently (1 Wells Fargo, 1 PayPal).

NickD
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Could be a local law then, I guess? I'm in Texas and I've tried time and time again at multiple banks to get a card.
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Heh, I guess the joke didn't work. Ah well.

Sorry, but your use of "depth" has been cracking me up for quite a while... just got around to writing this... and why do you not get yourself into depth...do you not like swimming?
Bite me. biggrin
Heh, bloody foreign languages and their similar looking words.



Btw Ben/Atom:

In case you wanna use a slightly lower quality version as well, that's only 13 MB (I used your clip and recompressed it again, obviously, that isn't the best way to do it) I've uploaded it for you here. You can add that file as a smaller download link for people.

http://www.nightcast.net/BarbieGirl_low.mov
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Heh, whenever I need a good laugh, these Adams Brothers cinema topics are around...
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I never get why things always get out of hand, but always seem to.

I think it's because we- more so on my brother's end- have very resilient personalities. I can take more kindly to criticism, but I hate it when people make generalizations; in this case, the issue of a credit card/compression.
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What generalization are you talking about? Compression is something like camerawork or grading, which you are so fond of. It can be done right, and it can be done wrong. And you do it wrong - as with everythig else, you have a story/excuse/justification for it, but that doesn't really change the fact 50 MB for 2 minutes is BAD compression.
Me and others are trying to help you and you ignore it. I even redownloaded and recompressed your video for you, you ignore it again.

Oh, about the credit card thing. I was never serious. Neither was Hybrid. We poked fun for atom calling the budgeting of RvD2 "amateur" and "unprofessional" just because he disagreed with the decision. But I guess the sarcasm wasn't cought. smile

Seriously. For people advertising themselves with quotes like

someone wrote:

Because people tend to think that we are like 'phenomenal' filmmakers. I really don't like bragging, hell, I think all my own work sucks, but people just REALLY like it. I don't know why, they just do, I think it's 'cause we can make the dullest moment look like your watching the matrix for the first time.
it makes me wonder why you can't understand people make fun of you sometimes... or often... You do kinda provoke it with statements like the above. smile

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ben3308 wrote:

I never get why things always get out of hand, but always seem to.
I'd guess it's largely due to both you and your brothers tireless attempts at justifying things that are criticized in whatever you've put online...

If you were able to shut up and take some advice for once then things might be very different. No one gives a rats ass that you can't afford quicktime, there are free alternatives. Sort it out.

-Hybrid.
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Adams brothers, face it. You've just again been

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Questioned? Asked? You don't know? wink
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whoops, edited by accident! seriously, sorry!

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Atom wrote:

If you're under 18, you need parental consent to get a credit card. And apparently, you bar none have to be 18 to get a debit card.
Call your bank, seriously. I got a MasterCard debit card over one phone call + a checking account and I am under 18. Anyways, as everyone else said, there are plenty of free compression utilities. I don't see why you brought the topic down this path again. Did you not see it coming? Seriously, I think it has happened for almost all of your films in the cinema. Then you go and yell at people like Sollthar, who was giving you handy compression advice. Was that a joke? Is this topic a joke? Where am I? I just can't grasp the concept of you guys doing this for eternity. You are obviously improving (See Odyssey), so just take criticism for what it's worth. Apple compresses their HD trailers at 720p at the same length for about the same size as your video, and they have fast streaming servers. I am not saying any of this to be mean, usual you guys are somewhat rational, and you guys are great filmmakers, but I feel like I'm in another dimension or something.

I would look to people like 'JohnCarter' who has internationally distributed his film. He gets positive reviews and then he gets a lot of crap about his stuff. All I ever see him say is "some people like it, others don't." We all know that certain things had to be the way they are. Time, money, resources, etc. etc. etc. We all have those limits. So just expect people to criticize it (you obviously see it, because you justify everything) and don't take it that way. Look at it, think to yourself "how can this make me improve?" If it can't, ignore it and thank all for the criticism.


The video
It was pretty fun and somewhat funny for a little short. I am sure it would work as a class project (that's what it felt like acting-wise on the girls' parts). I am sure this would be even more ridiculous if you knew the people involved (just an assumption.) 3/5

EDIT: Just something I noticed--I thought the person on the poster was one of you two for some reason. With that facial expression there was some kind of resemblence.

NOTE: This entire post could have been directed at either of you because you are both posting here, and it gets confusing as to who said what.
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ben3308 wrote:

...I can make movies better than 70% of the crap on this site...
Then why haven't you?
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And herein lies the reason everyone things you're a bit of a tool. You're never going to be able to really respond to criticism whilst you're obsessed with believing you're better. Whilst I agree you've shown some potential with the Splinter Cell trailer and a submission prior to that it's become obvious that you're now failing to realise that the majority of stuff you upload is in contrast - of a pretty low standard.

Whatever your achievements, they don't afford you the level of egomania you've prescribed to. This is a community forum, if you're going to let an infantile superiority complex cause problems every time someone points out an often obvious flaw with your work or it's presentation then perhaps it's just better than you leave as you simply don't stand to benefit and neither does the community.

Film, as a medium is meant to appeal to an audience - largely of people who haven't even got the slightest comprehension of film making. Does this mean that their opinions are invalid or of lesser importance than yours? No! You really need a reality check and bring yourself down to earth. People who try to invalidate peoples opinions by name dropping personal achievements - especially when self declared are utter morons.

Though I suppose if you want to continue argueing that angle you might want to wonder why the people you claim to be so superior to's opinions align with people like sollthar's, who both in terms of film, experience and intelligence blows you well out of the water.

I doubt it's a coincidence. I mean, I often find myself hoping you guys succeed but you're making it very hard for me to like you.

-Hybrid.

p.s.
Hell, I just got back from a shoot where I was supposed to film a pre-written script, and when I got there, the script hadn't even been started. So I get there, draft the script, print copies for everyone, overlook it, get 3 miles out in a prarie to film, set up a crane, and then the people female dog and complain about little nuances in my writing that they don't like.
Sounds like bad planning and use of budget to me. wink

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Ah, please accept my apology then. I thought you chose to ignore it entirely. I was really merely trying to help. The add of bad compression + slow server really affects the audience you can reach. So I hope you can use the file - allthough at the moment, my entire server seems to be down... crazy

but I guess using something so grossly improportionate to this situation suited you....
Yeah, admitted. Seemed like a good moment to post that seeing atom posted "first words" of someone too. smile
And it's one of my favorite fxhome quotes after all. Gets me every time.


I don't understand why you turn everything into a contest really. I don't doubt you're a nice guy and well spoken. But do you seriously not get that, again, writing things like but I can make movies better than 70% of the crap on this site won't help your case? Like at all? If it's true or not is not even of ANY importance.

What do you expect from statements like that? Come on, I'd consider you an intelligent young man: How else should people react then thinking "Man, this guy is full of himself. Let's make fun of him next time he posts another one of these videos he's made in 2 hours that aren't half as brilliant as he claims he could do." or "hey, he insults me. My film isn't crap! What a jerk." because a statement like that assumes that you think of yourself very highly AND think of 70% of others very low?
And people will then provoke things. Yes. I'm not surprised they do really. The only thing that surprises me is that you manage to write lines like those or the ones I quoted (which aren't that different) and then wonder why people react weird to you.


Seriously. A lot of people like my work, which is great. And I'm happy they do. But I wouldn't think of writing a line like that. What for? If people like what I do, they'll say so themselves and I'll be flattered. If they don't like it, they'll say so too and I'll either adress the issues they have in my next film or say "thanks" and move on. And why would I even want to compare myself to everyone? I don't care if I'm "the best", the "second best" or "one amongst many", as long as I enjoy what I do and some people enjoy it too.
You should ask yourself that really. Why is it so important to you be "better" or "speshul" as you named it in another thread?

Sticking up for your opinion is a good thing. I respect that and always do that myself. But applying a slight bit of psychology and diplomacy might not be the worst idea. wink

I predict the day you learn to do so, the wondrous ways of some threads you're involved in will become less wondrous. biggrin



Now, enough off topic. Back to Barbies!
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Sollthar wrote:

Seriously. A lot of people like my work, which is great. And I'm happy they do. But I wouldn't think of writing a line like that. What for?

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Though I suppose if you want to continue argueing that angle you might want to wonder why the people you claim to be so superior to's opinions align with people like sollthar's, who both in terms of film, experience and intelligence blows you well out of the water.
I guess a great deal of people missed the parenthetical portion of my argument, which delineates my purpose in referring to superior; which in all truth meant that what I do is comparably better than things like "effekts test #6" or "Gir finds a piggy" or what have you. That line meant specifically that when you consider "Barbie Girl" or another work of mine or my brother's of low standard or mediocrity, look at how low and mediocre some of the rest of the stuff on FXHome is. It's not an attempt to be superior or "great" in general, just in specific regard to the low-rated, consensus-voted poor-quality films that breach FXHome's walls every now and then. Read below....

I wrote:

I hate it when people I know I'm better at filmmaking than (the primary speakers in this thread excluded)- and I don't care what rebuttal people have, but I can make movies better than 70% of the crap on this site- try and post snide remarks as if they could do better. That bugs me a lot.
So my problems raised did not refer to TimmyD, Hybrid, Sollthar, or the like. Just other, inexperienced/amateur/poor filmmakers. A great example of the point I've outlined above is the user b4uask30male. I remember about a year ago when he criticized my grading, yet took no heed to my useful comments regarding his substandard editing/grading. Granted, he's changed since, it still illustrates my point.

Ultimately, the reason I include such an outlandish claim is that I know that this thread is too far gone to sustain much real criticism. Every TimmyD remarked at what a farce the arguments here are. Clearly, Sollthar's and Hybrid's sarcasm was not duly recognized, and that's what has led to this whole debacle. Perhaps be clearer in your satire/use of smilies next time in an effort to further stress your tone of voice, eh? wink

See you as soon as myself and chase upload our new movie to his account. Until then, best of luck to y'all.

PEACE OOOOOOUT, Ben
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ben3308 wrote:


I guess a great deal of people missed the parenthetical portion of my argument, which delineates my purpose in referring to superior; which in all truth meant that what I do is comparably better than things like "effekts test #6" or "Gir finds a piggy" or what have you. That line meant specifically that when you consider "Barbie Girl" or another work of mine or my brother's of low standard or mediocrity, look at how low and mediocre some of the rest of the stuff on FXHome is.
I believe, and I may be wrong on this, that each movie that is in the cinema needs to be judged on its own merits. This is not a contest or festival where all the films are judged and compared against one another and a winner is chosen.

When I think of other movies that I really enjoy and look at some of your (both bros.) previous work, I definitely think it is inferior. When you compare your movies up against 1:30min special effects test, wouldn't you say your cookin' the books a little bit? I mean come on, 50% of the movies are submitted from people in the age range of 14-10. Grow up. Even if your statement was true, that only means yer middle of the road when it actually comes to older teeangers/adults who submit films. I am looking forward to growing more involved in FXHome and hope you guys are too; in a much more humble and helpful role.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 3:00am

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Albeit any sentiments you guys may have towards me in regards to a superiority complex, I do try to be as helpful as possible on almost every occasion. I recently had someone on here call me a "genius" for helping them, go figure, haha.
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ben3308 wrote:

I recently had someone on here call me a "genius" for helping them, go figure, haha.
Though surely their opinion doesn't count because you're better. Or maybe it does because it was something you wanted to hear and thus didn't fight to try and disprove or invalidate.

I hope you guys both break back in to reality, and put your efforts towards something worth watching - we keep hearing about you having some form of talent, now's a good time as any for you to display it.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I hope you guys both break back in to reality,
See, it's this assumption- which connotates arrogance, might I add- that, however substantiated, brings forth my argumentative attitude. How do you know I'm not taking full regard of what you said? Have I really been that oblivious in my response to give you reason of unresolve? Or is it perhaps your generalized view of me as a whole that drive your partially sardonic comments?

Though the above paragraph is merely for exposition, surely you'll see my point. In truth I don't have that much apprehension to what you just said, but I felt the need to outline a possible viewpoint nonetheless. Regardless, I heed your comments with great significance. Expect more movies- and, perhaps, more incessant, ultimately baseless debates- from both of us in the near future.

With a somewhat positive demeanor, Ben
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Ben, did you just start studying your all important SAT vocabulary? Seriously, a 17 year old speaking (typing) the way you do makes you sound like that much more of a jerk. Hybrid has been echoing my sentiments from get-go but you can't just let go. Just stop trying to make sense of in what my opinion are justified comments by HH.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 4:16am

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King Rhymes wrote:

Ben, did you just start studying your all important SAT vocabulary? Seriously, a 17 year old speaking (typing) the way you do makes you sound like that much more of a jerk.
In all honesty, I'm not trying to patronize or otherwise show up anyone with my convoluted assemblies of words; that's just typically how I'm inclined to write. This whole year I've been prepping for the English language AP, so excuse my indiscretion when it comes to separating standard jargon from evolved diction.

Jerks write in such a way to create a sense of false superiority, whereas my writing as such is simply force of habit. Check posts of mine upwards of a year ago, I tend to write in the same overly verbose manner. Sadly, I speak in this way a lot in real life, and it dismays me when people mistake my articulation for arrogance, as you've near-assumed. Though, granted, you've taken the liberty of questioning me about it.

And note that I pointed out Hybrid's comments not because they were unfounded (I even said something to the extent of "however substantiated...") but because they were somewhat typical of harsh tone in responses that are commonplace to our videos. I used what he said merely as an example; perhaps not the best one at that.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 5:57am

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This is my thread and my movie only, so don't look into two posters and only reply to one as an amalgam of ridicule, it just isn't necessary. And Sollthar, don't represent your thoughts on me based on comments made nearly 3 years ago. You, as well as I, know things and people-as well as maturity-change.

That being said, I must say without my own interruption this thread turned back into an argument- and while the stem might've been Ben, I have to look at another poster's comment as sparking it back up again, and it wasn't one of us. In the same fashion of question regarding "if.....then why...?", if you know we're going to react that way, like clockwork, then why provoke it? Read something in-full before you wish to nitpick and paste portions of an argument to throw back at us. That's just plain petty. From there, like always, I apologize for the fuss in this thread.

Did you read it all, yet? Or have you already got in a fury and quoted pieces without reading everything? smile Gotcha! wink

While it turned into an excuse-a-thon, I don't see why people needed to continue commenting on the credit card thing. It's just plain logical for why not to have one. Like a gun, while it may not immediately be used as a negative device, it always has the capacity to be one. (Was that a bad analogy? It felt kinda flat.)

Anywho, I'm kinda sidetracked, if you've noticed, so sorry about that, too. I don't know where I'm going with that, but PM me if you wish to answer.

Now, let's get back to the fun! First off, thanks Sollthar for the compression tip and Serpent for your review, I appreciate both-even if I'm too stubborn or defensive to show it. wink

What were we talking about again? Ah! Big words!

KR, Ben always talks like that. It's annoying, *believe me, I know* but he's not trying to strut his vocab.

However, I am.


Ergo, I concordantly find it inherently obvious that while your subconscious has remained altered you irrevocably appear jerkish. Visa-vis, a change-that being an alteration of state and matter, is forth whit in order to, for the purpose of being, extraneously and didactically examine excerpts of an otherwise frivolously, loquaciously, and pretentiously written post

In other words:

My words are bigger than yours, so says Biggie Wordzalot.



And also,
*Don't take Ben's words to echo my thoughts in this thread, even if you're thinking they do- don't take things out of context and don't couple us in one boat- at least not in this instance. Y'all know I appreciate everything, even if I don't show it. wink


Wait....




Did you read that whole thing before you passed judgment and said "ahhhh, kids"? If you did, then how many wink-smilies were there?





5?






It was 4 and one smug smiley.
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Atom wrote:


Visa-vis, a change-that being an alteration of state and matter, is forth whit in order to, for the purpose of being, extraneously and didactically examine excerpts of an otherwise frivolously, loquaciously, and pretentiously written post
The talk of credit cards must have gotten you sidetracked Mr. Vis-a-vis...
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back to the topic - i do actually agree with whats been said already and im hoping that splinter cell is really going to prove or disprove previous comments in this topic. the video is unoriginal, its been done thousands of times, it gives no credit to you as a film maker, all it does is prove you can hold a camera and press record at the same time.

also from reading as much as i possibly could of this topic without my head exploding, you have to learn to take critisms, thats all im gunna say.

1/5
(would of given it 2, but you did vote for your own film even if it was meant to be a 4, you should never do it)

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Atom wrote:

My words are bigger than yours, so says Biggie Wordzalot.
You know, I'm trying really hard to think of a good way to make fun of that... I don't even know where to begin.

/me hangs his head in dismay
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SteveW wrote:

back to the topic - i do actually agree with whats been said already and im hoping that sleeper cell is really going prove or disprove previous comments in this topic. the video is unoriginal, its been done thousands of times, it gives no credit to you as a film maker, all it does is prove you can hold a camera and press record at the same time.
I'm sorry, but how is this video sooo unoriginal? There's a difference between shooting a one-angle webcam video, as you sent me a link to many, and actually making a real music video. So, may I ask you, did you even watch it, or just read the comments and look at the picture and title?

Perhaps this isn't original material, but I would say the video itself is. But maybe I'm just misreading comments, so if that's the case, I'm sorry and thanks for the review.

Oh, and it's Splinter Cell. And trust me, you won't see that for a few more months. wink

And yes Timmy, I can use teh googimages to trump your smartassitude. wink
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haha oh yeh i said sleeper cell (awesome show tho!) its unoriginal because of the content not the camera angles it (dancing round like a idiot singing along to barbie girl, how can that ever be original). maybe the video itself is a original take on something unoriginal but i dont have the nerve to watch hours of barbie girl videos to prove your point.

and yes i did watch it, do you really think id have to time to read through 6 pages of criticisms of peoples opinions lol?!
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True. Well, like I said, I didn't pick the song or the cast. Afternoon Delight I did both, but that's because I was in it.
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A word of advice i havent yet watched the video because it is taking so long to download. Next time make a smaller version or put it on a faster server
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They do have a smaller version. I would know... but for some reason they haven't yet to added it to the links...

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I was going to give it a 2, but that pink shirt is fabulous. So I gave it a 3.
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I'm still confused about the dude taking a crap. What the hell is that?
Posted: Mon, 19th Mar 2007, 10:04pm

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Stupid teenage "oh! look at that! Let's do something oddly suggestive!" humor, Bryce. Even I'm not quite sure.

Glad you liked the pink shirt, Waser. I'll get you one for your birthday. wink
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Sollthar wrote:

They do have a smaller version. I would know... but for some reason they haven't yet to added it to the links...
It took somewhere around 20 days for the first link to appear on FXHome, I don't think he'd risk adding another, seeing as the page could be down for a rather large amount of time.
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Your call.

I'll take it offline then.
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After watching this I can honestly say Afternoon Delight was better. It outperformed this video both with the acting and the video camera work. I dont really go for the shaky handheld camera thing in this video. A couple bits were funny, but the video got repetitive. It was okay because of the fact that you couldnt choose your actors and you were under a time limit. I give it a 3.
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Thanks, Anne. Yeah, it gets a little tiring and difficult when you can't choose your "actors". Hopefully the next batch that come to me will be better.
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 2:55am

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Hilarious
5/5
I almost liked it as much as "All By Himself"
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It was Ok. I liked how enthusiastic the guy was, he was the one that kept me laughing. In fact, at first I thought he was you or ben wearing sunglasses. At then end when he took them off, i was suprised to see it was someone else.

While the camera work wasn't inspiring, it definitly wasn't bad. I frankly didn't think about it, it just seemed ok.

I liked the grading you did. i realize it was basically teh same as afternoon delight, though i think it actually worked better here. I guess it just worked welll with all the pink.

I do however think that Afternoon Delight was much better. This one had its moments, and it was probably lots of fun, but its really nothing so special.

Keep in mind that I'm not picking out things that were wrong with it, it just didn't really seem to have much to it. Yes, it was funny. But it wasn't hilarious. The movie was so similar to afternoon delight that it almost seemed tiresome before it started. I mean, it starts almost the exact same way! same location and everything.

Still, i understand the constraints. My movie cave was almost embaressing to work on becuase i was stuck with no time, a crap camera, 2 guys who couldn't act for their lives, and a storyline i couldn't really change. Very frustrating.

SGB
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Well, I'll be honest. I can't watch it with my slow internet, and due to the title and the garish poster, I doubt if I ever will. Ever since you submitted Afternoon Delight, I've found myself skipping your posts to avoid hurting my eyes from exposure to your signatures smile I guess it isn't really your fault though because you couldn't choose the subject/song...
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woW
like the glow effects but definitly would have been radder with some crazy camera angles.