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Looking for someone with FX1 in the UK. (PAID cameraman)

Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 5:53pm

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Hi,
I'm looking for someone that would be willing to work on a fairly large budget Cowboy feature film being shot 6-10th June in Kent, England.

You would be paid for the 5 days you are there, most of the cast and crew are camping or b&b / hotel there, however if local you can go home at night.
9am - 5pm
We have other cameramen shooting on FX1's, and would like to keep the same HD quality (Z1 is also fine)

Anyone interested please let me know.
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 6:07pm

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I wish to help, but I'm in oregon, for one, and I don't have either of those cameras. But good luck otherwise!
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 7:56pm

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Whats the pay?
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 8:47pm

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Hmm, I have a FX1, but I live in Sweden... my dad works in the UK though...will get back to you smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 9:22pm

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The pay is £50 per day cash, although not a fortune the benifit comes in as a camera operator on a film with some b list actors, the film should be a success and thus help the cameraman gain credit.
The film is called "Roswell 1847"
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 9:57pm

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£50 per day?

That's pretty terrible Ian. Renting a FX1 costs more than £50 per day, so your asking for the camera + the operator/owner for cheaper than it costs to rent?

I know people with the cameras and other cameras who would do it for around £120 inc travel.

If that helps.
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 10:32pm

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May be worth offering BECTU rates on deferment as well as the sweetener towards peoples rent - most decent camera ops don't need a credit, they need to pay bills!

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Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 10:34pm

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Yeah, announcing a "fairly large budget" and then offering rates like that does appear slightly odd to a cameraman no doubt.

Might help to post a bit more infos to get people interested? Just a thought.
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 10:50pm

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He wasn't asking for the person to rent the camera, he was asking people who had that type of camera to come and so the job. So I would do it 1. if I lived in the UK and 2. if I had that camera.
Posted: Thu, 15th Mar 2007, 11:18pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

He wasn't asking for the person to rent the camera, he was asking people who had that type of camera to come and so the job. So I would do it 1. if I lived in the UK and 2. if I had that camera.
No doubt, and I'm sure I could double for Christian Bale in the next Batman film if I 1) was a stuntman 2) looked like Christian Bale.
Point is of course that it's not really much of an offer if you satisfy none of the required criteria wink
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 8:16am

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Hi

Er-no - I think I remember you asked people to come along and be a cameraman on one of your films, and you didn't offer to pay?

I was just being nice sad

I had found a film site where people woud come along free, for the experience.
Also bear in mind that £250 cash for 5 days is WAY more than some people make in a week.
Plus you would have got meet some actors that you have seen on TV from Red Dwarf etc.
To me, the fun part would have more important.

Solly you comment "fairly large budget" and then offering rates like that does appear slightly odd to a cameraman no doubt" seems a bit silly, just think,... the most expenisive film of all time.... must have paid £50 to someone per day.. just because the budget is fairly large DOESN'T mean EVERYONE gets a HUGE wage. unless you make films like that, if yes, i'll help you smile
I'l' break our budget down, i'm sure someone will ask.
Location comes first, to hire the location and horses etc takes the main budget up.
Named extra's- although they are given % in the films profit they also want a good wage.
Other cameramen.
Crew, assistant director, sound, lighting etc.
Actors-
food,
places for them stay.
Props.
Misc items.

No worries, no need reply, it will only drag on.
This post can be deleted.
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 10:53am

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I just meant, if a film has no budget or a very low budget to begin with it's something different if you ask people to work for free or lower then standard wages. Since no one gets paid.

But if there IS a budget, especially a so called large budget, then slightly professional thinking people start wondering "Hm... where's that money going to? Who gets it? And why do I don't get it?" That's all.

It's silly, I know. But post something like "Who wants to join us and have some fun!" is different then "Who wants to be cameraman for pay!". People are weird like that. smile


Was just a well meant tip, you're free to ignore it of course. Good luck with the shoot in any case!
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 10:56am

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You can hire me if you want!

We have an HVX200 which is HD so rather higher quality than HDV but it would match up pretty well.

I warn you I'm pretty expensive wink
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 10:57am

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b4uask30male wrote:

Also bear in mind that £250 cash for 5 days is WAY more than some people make in a week.
That's generally true when you're talking about a regular, continuous salary. When you're talking part-time or short term contract work, the costs involved are very different.

And while, yes, there are of course people that get far less than £250 a week even on salaried work, it's also unlikely that such people are going to have expensive cameras, or be able to contribute their services so cheaply.

Still, best of luck! Is this a project you're directing, or are you helping to produce and secure crew?
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 1:37pm

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b4uask30male wrote:

Hi

Er-no - I think I remember you asked people to come along and be a cameraman on one of your films, and you didn't offer to pay?

I was just being nice sad
You cannot compare your description of the film you've boasted about already in this topic against when I ask for help shooting on a film with zero budget, or budget I'm completely paying for myself.

If this film has a budget and 'actors from red dwarf'. Then a budget will exist for the cameras, if indeed it has a proper budget at all.

Of course, people will do it for free, I'd potentially help for a day for free with a camera, but not for five days, and not on a 'budgetted' film.
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 2:12pm

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Hi thanks guys, sorry solly I took your comment the wrong way.

I'd love schwar to come along but.... i'm not that rich yet wink

Tarn "Is this a project you're directing, or are you helping to produce and secure crew?"

I'm directing this. (no specail effects this time, so should be able to avoid the amatuerish look I seem to get)

A relation to Dick Cheney is funding the film and coming over when we shoot, we have everyone in place, I just wanted one more cameraman as the location costs charge if we go over the 9-5.
I don't know if you guys know this, some of you may think it's bad others might like the idea, read on!!!

I put an auction up on Ebay for one part in the film, before you moan, the person get's the money after the film is finished, I done this for publicity reasons.
I've had equity head man complain that i'm using people and that i'm not paying the nation wage etc, you may know the equity rule changed a few months ago and I told the guy to take a running jump, it seems he did, he didn't get back to me.

So right or wrong, it's now being talked about on other sites.
I hope the film will be a success and i'd like to think that the ebay winner will be interviewed as being the man that put a deposit on a film roll.
Posted: Fri, 16th Mar 2007, 3:02pm

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I think we all want to be able to pay everyone BECTU/Equity if/when we can so again, I suggest if this is a commercial project to offer either a deferred payment or some slice of the back-end to seem equitable.

I've also found it a lot easier to get favours from people for a day here or there than any length of time they could be getting commercial rates for, so maybe think about your extra cam op for a single day, and pick your day carefully?

My 2p again...
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 4:40pm

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I really don't see anything wrong in b4 asking peeps if they want to
bring their shiny big hd cam for a shoot and give them £50 as well
for the effort.
You all seem to assume that all high quality cams come
with a pro operator and we know that just is'nt the case.
Surely its obvious that the guys b4 would be aiming for would not be professionals but hobbyists who would love the excuse to use their wares and get a few quid as well.
It's a shame that hobbyist forums like this should even have discussions on these "Pro" matters.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 6:37pm

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Yes! Another b4uask30male thread for one of his amazing movies!

These are almost as gold as the thread Ben and I start.

And b4uask, that really is terrible pay with a terrible pitch for the pay. And no offense, but your sig doesn't really help anything either. Still, I'm interested in a synopsis or outline of the project, if you're willing to tell me. And this budget: you list things but not the prices you're paying, so how is anyone to know how much they are getting in-proportion to the entire budget? $100? $1,000? $100,000!?!

Some people need to know these things.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 7:07pm

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Hi

To be honest, every time I post I get the same old people, yes you included that somehow manage to try to make me look bad.

I honestly can't be bothered to reply, as mentioned before feel free to delete this thread.

*waits for another pile of negative comments from the chat room crowd.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 7:34pm

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Rating: -5

EDIT: I'm going to leave this comment up, but want to say that anyone who is rating it down is doing entirely nothing and in my opinion, abusing the rating system. This topic is old and dead, and while it is such there are likely not many who will pass it and need to note my post be skipped. And, as a negative rating is a marker for such, and markers aren't needed in old threads......what's the point? Just to make you feel better?

Please, let's not argue over spilled milk, mmkay pumpkin?


I could've easily pointed out tons more crap on you, but I didn't. And yet you choose to disregard my post as some kind of nonsense and act as if you're being the bigger man. Sure. While you're at it, why don't you try not typing words and sentences so grammatically incorrectly you look like a 10-year-old.

I asked you a question with all seriousness, and I'd appreciate an answer. I'm showing interest in your project, not negativity. I hope you see that.

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Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 8:36pm

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Atom is most certainly not part of the 'chat room crowd'.

Atom: why dont you stop going round putting everyone else down and this childish squabbling you seem to be doing a lot of at the moment and put more effort into the films you are making, they certainly arn't perfect. Have you ever heard of the saying 'Let he who is without sin amongst you, cast the first stone'? It means that you should look at your own problems before you start pointing them out in others.

Its bringing the forums down and I expect that you'll be banned if you keep it up for too long.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 8:41pm

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I think everyones points meant Ian was that you just needed to put up more information from the offset about the production/film/plan. everything! That would have helped.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 9:20pm

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Hi
Thanks er-no and kid, (although very smart at most things, i'm the first to admit i'm crap at spelling etc.)
Normaly when I post on here about a film it comes across as bragging, so me coming on here saying that i'm doing his new film etc, I was worried that it would be taken as braggin again.

If you guys are really interested in what's going on then I'll gladly tell you.
I'm lucky enough to have a guy from the USA pay for the 99% of the this cowboy film, it was going to be called cowboys and aliens but i checked on the net and there is a comic book of the same name with a movie due from that book, i contacted the movie and book company and told them about my film, they was nice and suggested in a polite way that we change the title as they had copyrighted it some years before.

We changed the title to roswell 1847, it's about a group of english people going to the USA for FREE land in 1847, however they end up in a town in roswell, 100 years before the ufo crash, not all is as it seems.
Production wise, it's snowballed, got actors that i've seen on TV in the film, got a crew of around 50 and actors around 50 people, i've even got a woman who is a stage director in the usa coming over to be my assistant, it's got very big and i'm a little worried, so with the cameramen we already have, one more was just a safe guard.

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The next thing i'm working on is: a film someone else wrote and he works in the usa for a film finance company, they get big money for hollywood, anyway he said he wanted me to make a trailer for his script and he would send over some money to do it from his own pocket, if the trailer was good he would get his company to finance the film for 600,000 dollars, of course i thought this was a load of..... but a few days ago I got the cheque for 5,000 dollars for me to shoot the trailer, so I have to believe him when he talks about the bigger money.
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Got 6 films planned this year, the above are two of them, the rest are my normal zero budget films.

Hope this answers some of your questions
thanks
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 9:21pm

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Kid wrote:

Atom is most certainly not part of the 'chat room crowd'.

Atom: why dont you stop going round putting everyone else down and this childish squabbling you seem to be doing a lot of at the moment and put more effort into the films you are making, they certainly arn't perfect. Have you ever heard of the saying 'Let he who is without sin amongst you, cast the first stone'? It means that you should look at your own problems before you start pointing them out in others.

Its bringing the forums down and I expect that you'll be banned if you keep it up for too long.
+1.

b4uask, I dont see any harm in asking for help from someone, I mean why not? Just be a little bit more specific.

Atom: I would've ignored a post like that too. It was basically like you were taking a crap on his head.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 10:19pm

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slighty of topic here but wasnt the whole roswell thing in the desert? or am i confused, just seemed weird for a movie set in roswell to be filmed in kent. were abouts in kent are u filming out of interest?

Back on topic £50 a day is only really gd if food and accommodation is provided, might be an idea to post an average costs of staying in a hotel/B&B in the area your filming.
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I hate and like (sarcastically) how I'm always the one to be told "oohhh, why are you so mean? Bad!", when all I did, and I really believe this, was offer an echoed reply of Sollthar or er-no. I was then met with "I'm not going to listen to you for no reason", and I'm just not going to take that. I hope you can see what I'm saying. My reputation is only pertinent to the conversation when I show lots of ridicule, which I don't think I did.

Still, I'm the first to apologize. So there: I'm sorry. No, I'm not the chat crew, but if I was, who would be the diverse element on FXHome? wink

Anne wrote:

Atom: I would've ignored a post like that too. It was basically like you were taking a crap on his head.
How so? I didn't insult the movie. I feel like, and this happens alot, someone went

"Oh, Atom said what we're all saying, but someone called him out on it. Let's all turn around and attack him! It's easier!"

I've tried hard to fix and control my attitude on the forums over the years, but I am met with no mended attitude towards me.

Aside from that, I'm happy you have a good project going, b4- and thank you for answering my question. Peace and lov-.......more peace.

Seacrest out. (PM me Kid, I'd be happy to offer some explanation or further apology)

MOD EDIT: Please don't use tiny text for no good reason - it makes your post difficult to read. It's not big and it's not clever.
Posted: Sat, 17th Mar 2007, 11:56pm

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Don't bother to echo er-no or me atom... please. For your own good and ours.

I wasn't trying to make fun of b4uask, I was trying to offer him a tip. Because most, when they work within a budget for the first time, will find, that people change. Even friends. Nodbudget all good fun is one thing. But when there's cash involved, everything starts to look differently. Trust me. I know.

I was trying to give b4 a hint so he won't have to find that out the hard way.

We have this saying here in switzerland, "friendships end where money begins". Unfortunately, I've experienced that to be true a lot of times.


So either way, be very careful Ian. Especially with involving people you don't know over the internet. Be aware that you CAN be sued for example if you pay wages less then what the law dictates and you HAVE the necessary backup.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 12:30am

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b4uask30male wrote:

To be honest, every time I post I get the same old people, yes you included that somehow manage to try to make me look bad.
You're managing to make yourself look bad, my friend, when you fail to include specifics or substantiate your payment. Even when given reprieve, your hollow response is lacking in both justification and detail. You've entered into this mess on your own, and by this point, you've only yourself to blame.

b4uask30male wrote:

I honestly can't be bothered to reply, as mentioned before feel free to delete this thread.
How much longer are you going to pull this? Throw out some wildly incoherent information, then retract it when someone faces you with abrasion; followed up by a request to cowardly close the thread when it fails to suit your needs. Grow a spine and grow up, man. I'm resilient and at times abrasive to people who criticize me, but my faults pale in comparison to your infallible ignorance.

The bottom line is:

If you're going to go as far as asking the thread be closed, then simply don't post the thread at all.

Perhaps you made a minor mistake by prefacing your project incorrectly. It happens. But when you ignorantly- and yes, that means you've ignored others, or spoken on a subject upon which you have a considerably small amount of knowledge; both conditions of which you've managed to satisfy- disregard helpful comments and obliviously blow off suggestions then you're flatout asking people not to help you.

As for the thread's original query- if it were paying more and I could have a great deal of creative influence in the project, then I'd love to help; I know I could remedy many of the small problems your films consistently suffer from. Also, I wouldn't have advertised a daily wage, rather, I'd consider offering an overall contract payment of 300 pounds or so. I think offering room and board as well would be a great persuader.

Maybe you'll read this, but probably you won't. You're that twisted, man, you ignore everything.

But whatever.
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Atom wrote:

I could've easily pointed out tons more crap on you, but I didn't. And yet you choose to disregard my post as some kind of nonsense and act as if you're being the bigger man. Sure. While you're at it, why don't you try not typing words and sentences so grammatically incorrectly you look like a 10-year-old.
If we're on the subject of grammatical errors may I just say: "Oh the irony/hypocrisy"...wink
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Atom wrote:

While you're at it, why don't you try not typing words and sentences so grammatically incorrectly you look like a 10-year-old.
I honestly hope this is one pitiful attempt at a subtle joke.

If you are trying to correct somebody's grammar, make sure you use proper mechanics yourself. Way to debase your whole attempt at trying to be the greater intellectual in this situation. brAvo!
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You shall try, my wolf-avatar'd friend. You shall try to find irony. It is, of course, your nature. wink And yes, Klausky and Rawree, that was a joke- notice the italicization.

B4, are you shooting on location at an actual western place, or is it all sets and facade?

Oh, and
We have this saying here in switzerland, "friendships end where money begins"
I thought that old saying from switzerland was "Give a Swiss (wink) a gun and he won't act like an American.". smile Now did you catch that thread allusion? wink

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Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 8:15am

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Hi, not sure if i've read bens and atoms post correctly, but they have mentioned about the money in a way that suggests that payment should be connected to the size of the budget, it's not, it's a simple case of being paid 50 pounds (nearly $100 dollars) per day.

Thanks solly, good points as always.

The Cowboy town, is a full town and was made over 30 years, people live there at the weekends dressed as cowboys, one tiny scene of finding neverland was shot there.
It's not got sand, but dried mud, but... i've seen hundreds of westerns with mud insted of sand, so I guess it depends what part of the old west you're in?

Either way, no worries, didn't want to start a war. well, maybe between the cowboys and aliens smile
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Why does it seem like all the newest threads are turning into arguments more and more?
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Bryce007 wrote:

Why does it seem like all the newest threads are turning into arguments more and more?
I've only seen this happen in a couple of threads recently - RvD2 and this one - and it always seems to involve the usual suspects. I don't think it's reflective of the forum as whole - hopefully not, at least. Retaining a friendly atmosphere on an Internet forum isn't easy, but we've managed it here so far. Let's hope it stays that way!

Back to b4's movie - have you got any more information on this town, or some more photos? It sounds really quite intriguing.
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atom wrote:

I thought that old saying from switzerland was "Give a Swede a gun and he won't act like an American." Now did you catch that thread allusion?
You mean that americans are geographical brickstones not knowing the difference between sweden and switzerland?

Well anyways.

b4uask wrote:

but they have mentioned about the money in a way that suggests that payment should be connected to the size of the budget, it's not, it's a simple case of being paid 50 pounds (nearly $100 dollars) per day.
Actually... That's probably not true. I'm not 100% sure of UK laws, but if they're anything like swiss employment laws, you CAN'T just pay whatever you want. So I'd double check if that's really the case.

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Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 11:33am

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Sollthar wrote:

t they have mentioned about the money in a way that suggests that payment should be connected to the size of the budget, it's not, it's a simple case of being paid 50 pounds (nearly $100 dollars) per day.
Actually... That's probably not true. I'm not 100% sure of UK laws, but if they're anything like swiss employment laws, you CAN'T just pay whatever you want. So I'd double check if that's really the case.
Marco is right Ian, if its a budgetted thing and your being given money to make a film on any sort of high end budget, then taxes, implications and a lot of law will come into play as you progress into filming. Obviously payment 'would' be connected to the budget as its outgoing money from your pocket?
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Sollthar wrote:



Actually... That's probably not true. I'm not 100% sure of UK laws, but if they're anything like swiss employment laws, you CAN'T just pay whatever you want. So I'd double check if that's really the case.
I thought he'd said it would be cash in hand work so you wouldn't necessarily have the problem of minimum wage etc if it's off the books (you would be potentially opening yourself up to all sorts of other problems and trouble though). I may have misunderstood so please correct me if I'm wrong.

Just a thought; what if you were to offer to pay travel costs and/or put them up in a hotel for the nights they're filming instead of a wage. That way you have a high chance of attracting enthusiasts (who would do it just for the experience) that may have found it difficult because of geographical concerns, plus you avoid the issue of the pay being too low or whatever.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 11:37am

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Yeah, if there wasn't employment and payment laws, basically any company could say "Well, we do have a multi million dollar budget. But we'll just pay 10 £ a day. Take it or leave it.".

To prevent that kind of thing there are laws in place what job HAS to earn how much money. And if you have a 600'000 $ budget, I seriously doubt you can avoid those laws.

Then again, 95% of people probably don't even know those laws exist and that they COULD claim money if they wanted, so probably won't.

But as I said. Working with a budget is a different world. Just a friendly warning.


thought he'd said it would be cash in hand work so you wouldn't necessarily have the problem of minimum wage etc if it's off the books (you would be potentially opening yourself up to all sorts of other problems and trouble though).
Which could be even worse. Theoretically, I could accept the offer. Take the money "in hand", go home. Then sue him for more. I'd be right AND Ian would be in trouble with the tax law.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 11:45am

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b4uask... I'm really sorry about all the negative comments. I'm not sure why it turned out so horrible, but I for one, think it's awesome that your making a movie with some good actors and actual budget, that's more than most people here could say. Have you tried looking at other forums and other places for Camera people? Obviously Fxhome isn't getting you as far as you'd hoped. Try putting up a few pieces of paper around that just say what you're looking for. If there's a camera shop around where you live, that would be a prime location to put up a flyer or two.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 11:52am

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Sollthar wrote:



Which could be even worse. Theoretically, I could accept the offer. Take the money "in hand", go home. Then sue him for more. I'd be right AND Ian would be in trouble with the tax law.
Absolutely, hence the "opening yourself up to even more trouble" comment wink
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 11:53am

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I think your missing the point DavidLittlefield, myself (definetely) and Sollthar are actually trying to help. I've met Ian and know that he has a real passion for making films and movies, As well as anyone, I don't want to see someone get 'destroyed' for their passion, which can easily happen in the film-industry when money becomes involved and payments/outgoing/incomings start to creep into it. If you've been allocated say even 50,000£, you'll have to announce that to the film tax office.

I'm sure Ian doesn't see all but perhaps a couple of users on these boards as demeaning. I believe we just wanted to know a lot about the project, it sounds like a great opportunity. But with that, comes massive responsibility.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 4:41pm

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Sollthar wrote:

atom wrote:

I thought that old saying from switzerland was "Give a Swede a gun and he won't act like an American." Now did you catch that thread allusion?
You mean that americans are geographical brickstones not knowing the difference between sweden and switzerland?
Heheh thats a classic.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 5:16pm

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Thanks guys, nice to see you all working together to help me out, I'm not a businessman and as such the money paid for the camerman would have been from my own pocket, i've got 2 other cameramen already, but I just wanted to cover my bases.

Here are a couple of pictures of the town when a friend and I went along to see the location for booking.



Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 5:29pm

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If only I had a set like that for the filming of "Gringo Gold" this past summer. I know this is a western, but are you going to stylize it like a Sergio Leone spaghetti western, something more like "High Noon," or simply your own style all together? Also, what is the horse situation?
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 7:31pm

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Hi,
I'd like to try it the old Sergio Leone, not sure if i can pull that off, proberly end up something different.

The location is a set price per day, if you need a horse it's 100 pounds per day.

Stage coach etc are also more, can't remember price as we don't need them.

We are getting breakable bottles etc, for the big bar fight.
I know it's a bit a of copy but i've tried to add all the good things from other westerns in this film.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 7:55pm

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Hey man, if it's any consolation, I'd try and copy Western Sergio Leonne angles verbatim. Get your cameramen to study the old spaghetti westerns and see if they can emulate it nearly frame-for-frame. Mix that with a bit of the frenetic Men In Black modern-esque alien shooting/editing/grading, and you've got a winner. In fact, I think after you're done shooting and preliminary editing, perhaps you should post up the rough cut (no titles, grading, music, effects, just film, fades, and cut) onto that 2gb hosting thing you spoke of a month ago and let everyone here have a go at the finer nuances of post, as that's where many of your glitches tend to enter.
Posted: Sun, 18th Mar 2007, 9:05pm

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Thanks, i'd like to do that, however as the film is being funded by someone else, they has got distribution companies they want to show, so from the pirate/bootleg point of the funder wouldn't want a copy out on the net before it's released.

Thanks for the thought though, good idea.
Posted: Mon, 19th Mar 2007, 6:09pm

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Hi B4uask...

I see in one of your posts you mention '...I'm not a businessman...' - seriously, when dealing with £300k you should have a producer/business-savvy person on-board. It's a well-financed low-budget movie, and you may find you can afford (at least approaching) BECTU.

I'm based in Bath, drop me a private message if you like and I'll happliy discuss some of the business aspects of this loveable/hateable beast of a trade we all work in. I'm serious, I do this for several projects, and I know you can get into massive grief if you don't have certain things in place! If nothing else I may be able to share some of the legal documents I have had drawn up with you smile

50% show and 50% business makes showbusiness, after all...
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 8:13am

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Hi
Thanks for your comments, very kind. i'll send a pm.
I'm working with a guy called geoff to help with setting up the bank account etc,
However, again some more good news I met with a lady on Sunday, she's and actress / producer, (she's production a 1.5 million pound film with Martin Kemp in at the moment) she's watched my other films and see's (without bragging and using her words) potential, she's offered to help me with the film Legacy, not to produce as it's already being funded but she's offered any help I need from A list actors to simple crew.

This a great break for me, having 3 different people prepared to help me, after 20 years of filming and a lot of pushing it's all going to plan.

Next step, take over the world, MWAhhaaaha haa
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 10:27am

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The budget is $600,000 and you are offering camera people £50 a day and using HDV cameras?!

I think you are going to need some professional help with this buddy as it sounds like you're all in a muddle at the moment...

I've replied to your message about HD camera stuff but at this kinda budget buying an HVX200 isn't the way forward either. You should be hiring professional camera operators and professional camera equipment...

It does seem you're missing a stepping stone (or five) somewhere from the films we've seen before to the kind of budget you are talking about now.

My advice is to surround yourself with professionals who know about filming/lighting/directing/etc at this kind of level and hire cheap but good actors rather than any z-list celebs.

If we can help let us know. Good luck.
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hi, schwar,

The 600,000 film is not the one I wanted one more cameraman on.

the cowboy film is, and that's a smaller budget film, also remember I said i'm not dealing with the budget on the cowboy film, thus the reason I offered the money from my own pocket.

To get the 600,000 i have to make a damm good trailer, i'm allowed to use the fx1 for the trailer, if the trailer is good then i've been told to shoot the full film on better equipment.
I think I asked for solly's help a short while back for the cowboy film but he was too busy.

So to answer your question for the larger film if all goes well I'll be searching for more help, I know my limits and will be happy to have any help from anyone.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 1:27pm

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B4uask I would just like to say well done.

Last month you had a movie on satellite tv in the UK, now you're moving onto having actual money to spend on a movie and have the chance to get a real budget.

I find it really refreshing to find someone making movies that last over an hour and have a real plot. These days so many people seem to be happy knocking out self indulgent shorts which are really just glorifed show reels and use how quickly the films were made as a justification or excuse for any technical failings. I blame the You Tube generation.

Thankfully this forum has members making movies such as Between The Lines and Nightcast, real movies which take time and effort to make and take time and effort telling their story.

Some people criticise your movies for having errors - I say to them welcome to the world of low budget film making. Sometimes you don't have time to reshoot, you just have to make do. Yes there may be a line crossing or a shot where the focus isn't right but ultimately these may have to be overlooked to get the story told and the movie finished. What's better - the perfect movie that never gets finished or the one that people get to see warts and all? Ask Herschell Gordon Lewis, Bert I Gordon or Roger Corman.

I will join the chorus of voices saying to get some business advice. It's one thing to make a hobbyist movie where you dip into your own pocket to pay some of the expenses of your willing volunteer assistants. However I don't think you can say "you're a professional so I'll pay you but you're not so I'll give you something cash in hand". As soon as you get crew or actors who take the money you give them (and declare it on their tax returns) then you need to be thinking about doing the same.

You need to get someone to do that for you if you can. For the past two years my wife and I have been running a business in our spare time (she's just given up her job to go full time) and accounts and finance take a lot more time than you allow for when starting out. A movie has a finite lifetime unlike a regular business but crams in a lot of finance issues.

You will have a hundred headaches on the creative side - you won't have the time or inclination to look after paying for lunches or extra money spent becuase your shoot over ran by half an hour one day. These issues will come back to haunt you later though so make sure someone is looking after them.

Good luck. Make sure you keep the forum updated with your progress.
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Thank you petet2, your comments are valid and welcome, I'll be happy to keep you informed on how I get on.
I'll put the finished trailer when done on here.
Once again many thanks to all of you for the support.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 12:03am

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Just wondering, in all seriousness b4, what you consider A list actors. Because I think of the immediate Ocean's 11 cast. That's great that you've got a $600,000 project in the works. Hope it turns out good.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 5:12pm

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b4uask - did you get my lengthy private message? It was from the heart, man wink

Seriously though I'm in Kingston on Saturday, as close to Kent as I'm going to get for a while, so would be happy to meet up and chat for an hour or two then - ping me your email addr if you're interested

Paddy smile
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 6:32pm

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Hi,
I don't live in Kent, i'm in Hounslow/feltham, we are shooting this weekend (remake of a film we made 20 years ago)
If you are out and about your more than welcome to come along, we have a nice lap dancer smile there.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 7:04pm

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Thanks for the invite, and as much as I'd love to spend the afternoon seducing your lapdancer, I've got shoots on Sunday and Tuesday, and a lot to sort out around Kingston, hence the offer!

Also on offer is Monday lunchtime in Wandsworth if you fancy it (you can bring your friend along to distract from proceedings if you like:))

Seriously though, were any of the points in the PM any help?
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 9:36pm

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I'll pm you to stop this post from popping up all the time.
Posted: Fri, 23rd Mar 2007, 6:15pm

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Atom wrote:

Just wondering, in all seriousness b4, what you consider A list actors. Because I think of the immediate Ocean's 11 cast.
England has its own start system. India does too. Germany. Any country with a semi developed film industry has their own local star system with their A list talent for that country... Even us, in little Quebec, Canada. British A list actors do not command tens of millions of dollars to work on a film... They are expensive, yes, but nothing as crazy as it gets in North America... So it is conceivable that Ian could afford one or two on a $600,000 budget.

Congrats Ian. I agree with that producer you met. you indeed have potential - saw that from the first film of yours I saw. With a budget, get some help to ease the burden of doing everything yourself and get help in the areas where you are weaker or not as comfortable in and I think you'll make a mighty fine film.

Don't hesitate to cotnact me if you need help/advice/ etc.

Having worked with budgets, I must admit that both Sollthar and Er-no make sense - check the laws, make sureeverything is kosher. When you do something with money, a lot of people come sniffing around and if things aren't anchored in steel, you're in for quite a ride.

Conrats again and best of luck!
Posted: Fri, 30th Mar 2007, 3:17pm

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How did your shoot go this weekend just? Hope it went well

The guy posting above this is right - people do come sniffing as soon as they know you've got cash, so it is important to get an accountant and lawyer on your side, if not a producer (who will get an accountant and lawyer...)

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