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Between the Lines - Movie

Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 9:16am

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Rating: +1

Tinyworld Productions proudly presents Between the Lines.

Set after the allied invasion of Normandy, this short feature follows the story of four British soldiers from the Duke of Cornwall Light Infantry. While on patrol, a German ambush on the British section leaves them disorientated and short of supplies. They have to withdraw from enemy lines and find their way back to their company. With German patrols holding their advance, they are stuck between the lines.

Film was made for charity, shot around my full time job in my spare time.

Shot on - Canon Xm2.
Pre Production - 8 months
Principle shoot - 12 days
Pick up's - 3 Days
Post Production - 8 months

For those having trouble viewing the Quicktime file the film can also be found on YouTube at the following links.

PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI2qD8sZE8g

PART 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXYeDzzPvrw&feature=related

PART 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9tHM5pmbmc&feature=related

PART 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MEsx2p3XyM&feature=related

You can also find a making of and effects breakdown videos related to the above.

Big Thank You to everyone who worked on the project and to Sollthar for hosting the movie.

Hope you all enjoy.


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Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 10:15am

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Well well... I remember the day I read a thread of someone posting some pictures of a toy tank and writing "I'm making a WW2 movie" and I thought to myself "Hmmm right...". smile
Then I saw the first footage of BtL and saw the extreme potential in it and how well it was put together. And finally, today, the film is ready!

I'll make it short: This is an amazing and impressive film on many levels. Personally, I don't think I've ever been as impressed by a film I've seen on fxhome before.
You managed to tell an actual World War 2 story that sells the emotions, the action and the mood perfectly. The production values are extremely high and I know that's mainly thanks to you and your crazy filmmaking efforts Ashman. You are an amazing director and I bow to you mate, seriously.

This film uses every aspect consciously and to it's advantage. Great, well chosen locations, excellent costumes and props, an outstanding lead actor, beautyful cinematography, clever editing and remarkable sound clarity and sounddesign combined with a very moody and fitting score.

Yes, this is a proper movie. And it's all been made for very little money, with a lot of love, sweat, blood and effort and that is commendable. Obviously though, love, sweat, blood and effort alone don't make a good movie, but this one is. A great movie in fact.

Thanks for an entertaining and moving 30 minutes Ash and I am looking forward to seeing your next effort and be blown away again.

6 stars.... wink
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 10:59am

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Quite simply brilliant - especially considering that this is one of your first major productions. You've really shown not only directing flair but excellent producing skills, to pull together such a huge amount of support despite being on a low budget. Your enthusiasm for the project really seems to have spread to everybody else, which has resulted in a great movie. I've always been a fan of collaborative filmmaking, and this is the perfect example - both the local support you found for the shoot itself, from actors to props and vehicles, to the post-production assistance from talented musicians, 3D artists, grading experts and compositors - quite a few from FXhome.com itself. Communitytastic!

Most notably for an 'amateur' production, this keeps my attention throughout. It flashes by, never dull - which is remarkable for a 30 minute movie. Most amateur/low-budget productions have trouble retaining my interest even for five minutes!

Really good cinematography, solid acting, superb editing and GREAT music add up to a fantastic experience. There are areas that could be improved, of course, as always - the gore make-up at the start seems slightly unrealistic (not that I know what it should look like, mind you), and occasionally the dialogue ADR doesn't sound quite as natural as it should.

Generally, however, it's all nitpicking. This is a fantastic achievement across the board, and I absolutely cannot wait to see what you do next. I predict your career will go fairly stratospheric in the next few years, if you maintain or surpass this kind of quality.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 12:23pm

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Since I saw the trailers for this I went crazy. This is probably one of the best amature (well not so amature) films in history, and if this doesnt beat the art of the saber in the fxhome box office nothing will. The story thrilling, it kept me on the edge of my computer chair. The acting just brilliant - without it, it could of easily fell apart and it just kept it going all the way through. The cinematography was ASTONASHING great angles and choices. The editing, vfx and sfx was at a proffessional standard, I didnt notice any mistakes (unlike ILM) and loved it all.

I can't stress enough how A M A Z I N G this was and I hope to see more great films from Tinyworld Productions in the near future.

Well done and thank you for the great pleasure of viewing.

Ste
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 12:44pm

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The trailers, when I first saw them, underwhelmed me. They looked cool, but sort of like the same old thing we've seen on FXHome as far as war movies go. I was completely wrong: this looks amazing. In the middle of downloading now. I mid-way load affords me 2 minutes worth of the actual movie, and it looks awesome. Better review later.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 12:46pm

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Went to the premiere with malone and it was a totally fantastic experience. Loved the movie and was totally astounded this was Ashman's first major production.

Great work... 5/5
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 12:48pm

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Sorry to post something else, but any chance of a Zune-ready .wmv? I'd love to show this to my friends.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 2:48pm

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What can I say? Probably one of the best movies I have ever seen on FXhome. A great first major production for you, Ashman. Very, very nice music indeed.

(And I'm in the credits of it, under "Grading" wink)

5/5 + addition to top 10
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 6:35pm

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Simply a great short film!

This is the first film I can think of on FXHome which has truly ticked all the 'film' boxes, for me; story, acting, direction, music, fx, etc.

Huge congrat's to Ash and his team!

You have set a new high bar for everyone to aim for, and for that alone I salute you!

5 Stars

Mantra
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 7:15pm

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So I have to download it, because the time it takes to try and load it on the internet is as bad as downloading a 2GB file with Dial-up. I'll let you know what I think after I've watched it.
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 8:11pm

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Masterpiece!

Ash, this was a wonderfully shot movie with great characters and age appropriate actors.

I've always been a fan of the kind of title opening this movie has. While the credits went on, all you could hear was dialogue, gunshots etc. which always excercises my brain to picture what's going on.

Color grading and contrast especially the night time shots were well done.

The music score fit the mood very well and added great emotion with it.

The effects were well done (both visual and audio).

Congratulations.

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Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 8:33pm

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That is the best film i have seen on Fxhome. amazingly acted, brilliant effects, beautiful sound design, good locations, beliviable props, nice ambient music.

The start of the film like Garrison is my fave type of intro, the way you introduced the germans first i think was very well and the gradeing was good on that part as well and the acting was brilliant as well. The night time part had brilliant grading and put an emotional feeling into my heart and not many films do that.

I could sense there was something going on with the German charater when he was talking to the man [father i think]. i sort of grasped that maybe he was angry that he was dying and thats the reason for the anger in him.

The farmhouse scenes were good and the acting was brilliant yet again. when the first attack at the farmhouse is made i think maybe the bit where the British are running away from the farmhouse could have had a more frantic feel, i felt a bit bored when they ran past the camera at 21.29-21.52 because the camera was stable and didn't shake around making me feel like its a frantic bit.

the ending in the forest was a good scene where all of them died, the way it was acted was good. The bit where the tank blows the big guy up was a cool part as the sharpnel was over his face.
I loved the way they all died as nearly every war film i have seen always ends in a happy ending and this films ending made me realise that it has a feeling for realism in it.

The whole film was brilliant. the background noise made it feel more real as well with distant bombs and gunfire.
The way the story was portrayed on both sides. The grading, camera, acting, sound made the film worthwhile to watch.
I loved the way the emotion was put into it and made it more of a film rather than bang, bang boom, your dead.

well that to me is the greatest movie i have seen this year and it really was a good film. Hope to see future films from you in this way.

B3N
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 9:22pm

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Congrats to all concerned,it seems that everyone's efforts paid off.
Unfortunately,I am having difficulty downloading a film of this length so I have had to abort.However, I thought as the film has been done for Charity, perhaps copies could be "burned to disc" and offered for, perhaps £5 for sale to FX members?

I'm sure members would also appreciate a few sleeve notes of the technicalities involved,what effects were used etc.

Just a thought.
Cheers
Jimmy
Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 9:41pm

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The best film ever on Fxhome and an EXTREMELY GOOD film out of any film ever. I loved the shaky camera work. Loved the ironic ending too, you think hes going to get away and then the Nazi is standing right in front of him. Excelent film.

BTW did you give a certain member on youtube (sgtmoviemaker) permision to show your trailer on youtube because he did and I confronted him about it and he said you wanted him to. Just letting you know


5/5 I have a feeling this will be #1 on the fxhome archives for years to come

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Posted: Tue, 20th Mar 2007, 11:09pm

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Ive been waiting to see this film ever since I joined Fxhome and I was not disapointed. It was extremely well done and is by far the best film on Fxhome, not to mention the best movie trailers on Fxhome as well. I watched it with my father, hes a huge military and war movie buff, and he normally tears war films apart (by pointing out flaws on the historical side, not the filmmaking side). When ever somthing in the movie was done with CG my dad was constantly telling me how real it looks. He did point out some flaws and but without him telling me I would not have noticed. The one and only thing that bothered me was the sound effects, so much was taken from the game COD2 that every time I heard the sounds I kept thinking back to me playing the british campaign on COD2.
Other than that it was really well done. The end was depressing for me, the whole time I was thinking the german is going to holster his weapon and let him go but he didnt. Thats good that you didnt stick to the norm. But in the end, war is a depressing thing so why not a depressing ending.
Great Job 5/5!
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 12:28am

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Brilliant, from start to finish. I feel like my words could hardly do this film justice, so I'll keep it short.

The dialogue and character interactions were like nothing I have seen on FXHome before. The editing and camera movements were perfect, and overall, it was just a gorgeous movie to watch.

This is an amazing step forward for fxhome cinema.

If I catch you in the chat Ashley, I'd love to talk about it some more.

5/5 like I've never 5/5d before.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 12:37am

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Everything was amazing. Score, editing, effects (oh man, effects!), costuming, grading (day for night detectable, but still SWEET!), and alot of other stuff. One thing I was a bit disappointed on was cinematography. For the actiony stuff, or high-tension stuff, we see some really nice camerawork, both gritty in the wide angles and well-framed and shallow-depth-ed in the close ups.

But- and I'm really sorry to be one of the first to raise a criticism or a gripe here, because the movie was brilliant- you have consistently too much headspace and disobeyance of the rule of thirds. A prime example is this shot:



And there are many, many more dispersed throughout the film. It's really a shame that I bring this up, because the movie really is superb, but I think it's something that needs to both be addressed and improved upon. I suspect it's because you have two cinematographers, and one is bound to get these kind of shots, therefore there's a good sprinkling of them throughout the movie. If you disagree in this regard, I'm happy to point out just a few of the shots I'm talking about.

However, I realize this is a large undertaking, and I'm certainly not one to nitpick, so don't feel too bad about this, but the cinematography let me down in a few places, and I thought I'd let you know. Again, not trying to disparage an otherwise perfect production.

5/5, and blows The Last Days completely out of the water!
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 12:38am

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Terrific, absolutely terrific.

The atmosphere was captured perfectly, with that horrific dead silence coupled with an outstanding score. The acting was great as well, especially on the part of the Allies Captain. The highlight of the movie is definitely the close-up shots. They all have such a beautiful image and grading and such atmospheric movement it makes you feel like you were reallly there. There are some things, very small parts, that aren't to my liking, but I could obviously see where you were going with them. There's so much good about this movie I think all you need is some critique.

It's funny, frankly there's not much to be critical on. This is literally that good. Even better, it's great to see how this movie looks and does rating-wise against another FXHome WW2 heavy-hitter, The Last Days. (Which I frankly HATED. This is loads and loads better.) If you haven't given 'TLD' a look, Ash, you should- only to show you what you did right where they went wrong. wink Bravo, Man.

What was I saying before though? Oh, right! Criticisms. There are very few. However, for your own benefit, I'd think you would want know them:

-Perhaps there is a different spelling in Europe I'm not familiar with, but some spelling on words is off in the beginning. "Enroll" is spelled 'enrol' in the film, and "many come of age, are called up, and join..." is missing a comma. Little things, but I thought you might want to know. Again, though, maybe it's just my regional spelling/grammar.

-The German officers/soldiers actual German. (spoken) While the lead spoke German very well, the other characters German was kind of awkward and forced sounding. This was so small screentime it didn't bother me much, but I noticed it. I know how hard it is to do something in another, non-regional language, though-as I'm sure many others do, and don't really care about that.

-The wide 'standing' shots. The first wide standing shot of the 4 or 5 British Allies is odd for some reason. Perhaps it's the timing, pacing, or editing, but after several reviews through the film I keep noticing it inparticular for some reason. Just a pet peeve or something for me, though. Nothing really wrong with it. wink

Congrats, man. Good stuff. I hope you had a blast at the premiere. You making any money off of this? smile

This is great, nay, I believe the phrase is
"Gives mjaor pwnage."
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 2:03am

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5/5 - Great Movie that I will keep saved on my computer forever.

I disagreed with some of the shots, such as Ben, but other then that, the movie was a perfection.

P.S. Great Job!
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 2:07am

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What a towering achievement in fxhome, or any cinema. Such raw emotion contained in just the right balance of action and dialogue. Not once did this teater into the realm of senseless violence (which admittadly is difficult for war movies to do, because nothing that is based on true events can be that gratuitous) or ceaseless banter. Obviously the collaboration between writer and director was a strong one. Oh wait, Ashman did both of those. What a great movie man. I was inspired and impressed all at once. If low-budget can look like this, it sets a new standard for where Hollywood should be! Either that, or fxhome is closing in on the blockbuster empire...
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 2:13am

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This is a day of greatness for Ashley Wing, and, perhaps even greater for the Canon GL2 (XM2).

Let us all bask in its glory. You've done the camera well, Mr. Wing. You've done it damn well.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 2:17am

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Why write a huge long post when I can sum up the way I feel about this movie in just one word?

BeautifulfantasticamazingincredibleglorioushauntingtouchingperfectionprofessionalmovingFREAKINGSWEET !!! biggrin

I thorougly enjoyed the film and a solid 5/5 and straight to the top 10 for me.

Thanks,
NickD
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 3:46am

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where'd you get the frekin Tank???????? CRAPP
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 3:48am

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and the gun props and actually all the props look real and awesome,and i esecially love the BREN, i love using that gun in Call of Duty, haaha
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 4:11am

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1. It's called the Edit Button.

2. They rented the tank from... I already forgot... somewhere in the UK.

3. I think they found an Amry Surplus store and got the props and costumes, not sure though.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 4:27am

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I may as well reiterate my opinion of BTL on the forums. smile

I was lucky enough to see footage at a very early stage and then last week the final edit. I feel that the whole project has been a resounding success and an excellent début into film making for Ashley.

In terms of Cinematography there are some signs of Ash's inexperience as mentioned by Ben, though there is also a lot of well thought out footage throughout the movie which highlights Ash's keen eye and sense of edit and pacing. Very few movies at this level develop characters like Between The Lines. As some of you may have noticed from the Premiere video - Ash appears to never content with his work. When it is already of this standard I can only see this attitude leading to greater things.

Finally I'd like to add that Ash is a top bloke and was a pleasure to work with/for. And I look forwards to lending a hand in future projects with him.

Brett - Most of the weapons, uniforms and vehicles in Between The Lines were provided via re-enactment groups and the heritage society (if I am not mistaken). Most of the Tank shots however, are either composites of model shots or entirely CG. If you come to posess the DVD in the future there are some before and after shots in the special features. smile

-Hybrid.

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Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 5:02am

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How could I get a DVD? I'd like to always have this avalible.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 7:10am

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Downloading now, will post a full review here in a second.

I'm already about to pee my pants smile
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 9:19am

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Great work Ash, definitely worth waiting for! I know you've put a huge amount of work into this film, and it certainly shows. Believable characters, professional production values, and a genuinely moving story (my mother was on the verge of tears.)
Far and away the best film in the FXhome Cinema, 5/5!
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 9:46am

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Finally we have a proper film in the top spot of fxhome and not some Lightsaber battle video... It gives me great pleasure to see this moment, as I thought it would never happen.

Thanks Ashman! smile
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 10:23am

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This singlehandedly blew my mind about being shot on a GL2. HOW? Did you use frame mode, or convert to 24p in post?

The Film was decidedly well made. The thing that most stood out was the VERY high production values for a film of this nature, That, and the actors were of proper age and "look".

I felt grading was absolutely spot-on, and the effects were reasonable in same areas and good in others.

The sound was also a strong point. Very crisp and fitting.



5/5.
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What can I say Ash that I haven't said already to you, firstly. I admire and respect your decision and determination throughout this project, you've pulled off something with your first serious film-making stab that not many can pull off after years and years.

BtL is fantastic, for its budget, level, production restraints, its tip top brilliant. There are of course the niggles, but you know them and I believe you knew most of them whilst you were editing, the pointed out 'head room' we've spoken about before is the most apparant, and because I'm such a sound whore the sound really lost me a few times, I can tell its dubbed, and I lose myself if I concentrate too hard on that face!

None of these detract from its deliver what what you've achieved.

Its great too see, and as you know I've been on the blunt end of trying to slice imagination recently, and seeing BtL pushes me on that bit further.

5/5 Ash. You deserve it. Now do what I did, and switch your filming attentions to semi-naked women wink

heh razz
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It was shot on an XM2, not GL2 which means its probably 25P (lots of professional digital film work is also shot at 25P rather than 24P).

24P/25P/30P all look near enough the same. To some people its the fact that its progressive which makes the difference as it appears to be half the motion of interlaced footage.

Cinema look gamma/colour changes which often form part of 24P on some camera models is what people mistake for film look and attribute it to 24P but its the gamma and colour changes which are just as important. Footage at 25P or 30P with the same changes looks just as convincing. We have a camera which can film in 50P with cinema look gamma/colour and still looks entirely cinematic.

I loved the grading of Between the Lines. Having played with Ashman's raw footage a bit you can see how he has taken the fairly non-filmic standard footage from the XM2 (doesn't have the cinema look features of the DVX100) and made it look far better with his grading.

Ashman really shows the importance of grading! There are so many films on FXhome which could be improved if grading was part of the post-production.
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 8:01pm

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BRAVO!!!! This film was fantastic! This film is going to be one I will watch again and again. I know that you have put in so much effort in to this film (And also now I can tell why you been doing a lot of masking razz)

Everything was flawless well done ashman I raise my glass to you! smile

Cheers!
-JT9
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awesome job ash! I felt like i was watching something from hollywood here...except hollywood usually doesn't have good stories.

2 thumbs up man! can't wait to see your next film
Posted: Wed, 21st Mar 2007, 11:38pm

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Love the movie but where did you get the guns they look so real. please tell me
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reindirkfilms1 wrote:

Love the movie but where did you get the guns they look so real. please tell me
If you read all the posts, you would have read:

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Most of the weapons, uniforms and vehicles in Between The Lines were provided via re-enactment groups and the heritage society (if I am not mistaken). Most of the Tank shots however, are either composites of model shots or entirely CG. If you come to posess the DVD in the future there are some before and after shots in the special features.
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3/3 for multiple reasons. I gotta run to bed, so I'll explain myself real quick before I go into detail. Things I didn't like (beware of nit-pickiness):
  • ADR! That was the first thing I noticed. A lot of it sounded completely unnatural and the dialogue remained at the same volume, even when the character speaking was off-screen.
  • Day-for-night. Sometimes it looked like these soldiers were members of the Blue Man Group, sometimes it didn't; sometimes it looked like there was a purplish tint, sometimes it didn't. This ties into my next complaint:
  • Inconsistent grading. There were a few instances where I lost track of what was going on because there would be a cut, and the grading didn't look the same as before.
  • A tiny tiny bit of bad acting on the german tank-driver (not the guy who shoots the guy at the end).
  • And last but not least (although leaving stuff out in the middle), is the ending. I think you cut to black too soon, and the ending is really abrupt.


Also, there's a typo on the first title card. "Regulars enrol (should be: enroll)."

Sorry about the rushed and aprupt quick review, I'm exhausted and probably am not making much sense. All will be explained.

Good work,
TimmyD
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TimmyD wrote:

Also, there's a typo on the first title card. "Regulars enrol (should be: enroll)."
This is an archaic spelling of the word. Used in older texts, and more notably in Old English spelling. If you're going to point out archaic typos, how about "manoeuver" a few title cards in, or the lack of punctuation in many phrases of the text.

It's Old English. A choice of style over standard. I actually used the text on here as my evidence in an argument in AP English today.
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Ash, not got long to post this - but huge congratulations mate.

This production is superb, and to think that this is the first film you've directed... you've got a natural tallent and a superb work ethic that's made BtL one of FXhome's greats. This is a movie that I'm proud to have worked on, even in a very small way - so you should be REALLY proud of what you've acchieved!

Best of luck for the next project you decide to take on biggrin

Cheers,
Arktic.
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Atom wrote:

-Perhaps there is a different spelling in Europe I'm not familiar with, but some spelling on words is off in the beginning. "Enroll" is spelled 'enrol' in the film, and "many come of age, are called up, and join..." is missing a comma. Little things, but I thought you might want to know. Again, though, maybe it's just my regional spelling/grammar.
Just to clarify, as a few people have commented on this now. 'Enrol' is indeed the correct spelling in Proper English (nothing archaic about it, as far as I am aware). As this is an English movie about English soldiers, it's how it should be.

"many come of age, are called up, and join..." - are you referring to the final comma before 'and'? Because that definitely should not have a comma. Commas should never be used before 'and' or 'but'.
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Hold on, let me get my tongue off the floor. There we go, that had to be one of the most AMAZING movie I have ever seen. The effects and acting were superb. My one question though is when the Germans were advancing at the line of the British line and Dunkirk, the British artillery fired at a group of 3 Germans. The explosion landed dead in front of them and nothing happened to them. Shouldn't they have at least have been knocked over?
Truly great, I will look a forward to your future projects.
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First, congratulations! Second, it was excellently pulled off. Third, I liked it. razz But ol' number four here.....

TimmyD wrote:

...the dialogue remained at the same volume, even when the character speaking was off-screen.
I noticed that too. I thought at times it was a little hard to tell who was speaking, like during the scenes where they are walking. I think it would have benefited from some volume differences to set certain people apart from others.
Oh, and weren't those Call of Duty sound effects for the guns and things? wink
Congrats again!
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Seargent wrote:

My one question though is when the Germans were advancing at the line of the British line and Dunkirk, the British artillery fired at a group of 3 Germans. The explosion landed dead in front of them and nothing happened to them. Shouldn't they have at least have been knocked over?
Hey there Seargent,

To answer this simply - Yes! They should have been knocked over. The only reason they weren't was because there was no time to capture green screen footage of soldiers falling over (not to mention that the Green Screen set up probably wouldn't accommodate for such lengths of movement). So unfortunately footage of running soldiers was used.

I apologise. smile Well Spotted.

-Hybrid.
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Tarn wrote:

"many come of age, are called up, and join..." - are you referring to the final comma before 'and'? Because that definitely should not have a comma. Commas should never be used before 'and' or 'but'.
Perhaps this is another case of regional grammar, but surely "never" isn't the right word for a 'comma before "and" '.

Maybe it's an archaic thing, using commas.
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Not really, as the 'and' serves the same general function as the comma, separating each part of the clause. The difference is that the 'and' signifies the final part. To use a comma and an 'and' at the same time is completely superfluous.

Nothing archaic about it, it's standard English. I very, very rarely see commas before 'and' or 'but' in American texts either. 'But' is slightly less strict and there are, of course, always exceptions - especially in dramatic writing - but, overall, not only is it grammatically more correct, the flow of words is also far more pleasing. If you ask me, anyway. wink

We should probably take this to PMs if you want to continue the discussion. smile
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I really liked it +5 and overall i only found one think that i thought could be changed and that was the audio levels on the speakers. They all seemed to be equal. Example a guy talkin 20 feet away from the camera or mic was as loud as a guy talklin 5 feet away from the camera or mic. Just made it hard to figure out who was talkin at time. But other then that it was an AMAZING Movie
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Great Production, Top Notch Work.
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Frodo1987 said
Oh, and weren't those Call of Duty sound effects for the guns and things?
If you watched the credits it says they are from Call of duty 2.

Once again, great work Ash

B3N
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Well it's great to see that film is going down well with the majority. Some of you mention issues with the ADR. I except this and know I need to spend more time improving the way I approach this in future productions, it really is something that needs to be addressed and tackled before I do anything on this scale again. There are also some framing issues, something I was kicking myself in the editing process over. There's little that could be done at that stage to fix these, but I am aware of them. The whole film has been a great experience for me and I have learned so much. All I can do is take the weaker points of this film and improve upon them on future productions which I can assure you I will try to do. Spelling wise, I'm English smile

Thank you all for all your kind words and constructive critisim, I am reading the feedback and taking it in.

TimmyD - Anything constructive to add to the list, what were the things you felt were working. You mentioned all the things you didn't like but cut the feedback short, wasn't sure if you had anything else to add.

All the Best
Ash
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One of the best movies on the site, the sound of the wind blowing in the camera mic was probably one of the only things that made it seem amateur to me. By the way, I loved the ending.

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ash: I haven't had the time to go into detail yet but I will, probably this weekend. I just felt I should explain my 3/5 rating, regardless of how detailed I could make it. I plan to elaborate, I just haven't had time. unsure
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Amazing video... one of the best I have seen on FXhome
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This is better than m0st real theater films, great w0rk!!!!!
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i cant watch it sad
it keeps saying that i dont have quicktime or something..............
can you put it in wmv?
then i could watch it.
it looks great though!
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B3N wrote:

Frodo1987 said
Oh, and weren't those Call of Duty sound effects for the guns and things?
If you watched the credits it says they are from Call of duty 2.
Credits? Who reads the dern credits anyway.....? lol razz
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Credits? Who reads the dern credits anyway.....?
I do. Everytime I'm in the theatre... Like every proper filmfan should. wink
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ill keep my comment short and sweet that was the best
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zgproduction movies wrote:

i cant watch it sad
it keeps saying that i dont have quicktime or something..............
can you put it in wmv?
then i could watch it.
it looks great though!
Quicktime's a free download from the Apple website, it's a good idea to download and install it if you're doing video work.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/win.html

It's also much nicer to use and usually better quality than WMV. smile
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This is one amazing movie. It really portrays the horrors of WWII (actually for any war). No matter how much money and equipment you have, it's still the creative mind that makes the movie good, you definatley proved that. Good job. Seriously, Good Job eek
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Rating: +2

First off, Ash, congrats on completing a project this large. I had been casually following the development of Between The Lines since I first heard about it on these forums and was pretty excited for its opening. Now, onto the review...

I've watched it twice so far and plan on watching it a third time. And, well, I really hate to have to say this but, I have really found myself not particularly liking it in either of those two viewings. There were a few good points but there just seemed to be too many things that really didn't work for me. They are as follows:

Story and writing - I really never understood what the story was about and more importantly, I never felt an emotional attachment to the characters due to just overall lack of character development. I didn't know all of their names much less care about it when they died. Also, I don't think there was enough tension within the story. There never seemed to be a reason for anything...everything just kind of happened. I don't know, this just didn't sit too well with me.

Editing and pacing - This can go hand in hand with the writing but in my opinion the pacing for the story was all over the place. Like it started out to be a two hour epic and then sped up to quickly fit into a half hour. At some points it sped by too quickly and I didn't catch stuff and in others it was too slow and I found myself having to strain to keep myself focused on the movie. There were a few good parts but the majority of it just didn't work for me.

Acting/ADR - I'm not sure if it's the fault of the actors or of the ADR recording/mixing but there was some dialogue that I didn't catch (even on second viewing when I was looking for it). Also I found some of the acting (specifically body movements and mannerisms) to not be very convincing at times. The best example of this is the first time we see the four British troops gathered together in the clearing, talking about what they should do. I felt that the actors' mannerisms just didn't convey the necessary tension and anxiety to make the scene believable to me.

Don't take this the wrong way, you did a number of nice things with this movie (I really loved the opening as well as the music and some of the cinematography was beautiful) and by the look of things in this thread you've entertained a bunch of people (kudos to you for that). I was just not satisfied and found myself wanting a lot more out of it. You definitely have the potential and I eagerly await your next project, I just felt this was lacking specifically in the areas mentioned above.

I'm going to wait to vote until I watch it again and if I have any more thoughts I'll be sure and post. Also, let me know if you want me to go into more detail about anything I've mentioned.
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Rating: +2

Hello Harvey,

I'm sorry to hear you didn't like the film. I have taken on board what you have said and will try to improve on future productions. I am slightly worried that you didn't understand the storyline as I thought it was very striaght forward, this may be because I have been to close to the project for such a long time. Thank you for your constuctive criticism not only has it been helpful but it is greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Ash
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Very well done! I definitely felt like I was watching a real movie, not somebody's "home made" movie.

Admittedly, I must be a much less sophisticated viewer because I didn't really notice the ADR issues, etc. (And, I wouldn't have a clue what German should really sound like... etc.)

My only regret: while waiting for the long download, I started reading some of the posted comments here, and suddenly stumbled upon spoilers about the ending. (I know, I should have seen that coming -- I just wasn't thinking.)

Tim L
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It was a very exciting experience! Congratulations on it! You obviously enjoy what you do and enjoy getting involved with your fans( I've added your myspace and checked out the between the lines website) Which i think is a necessity of any director! I wish for all the best in the future and hope you continue to make good films!

All the best,
sam (Scribble)
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Top draw. Not much else I can say really. Slightly dodgy dialogue in a couple of places if I'm super picky but overall my first ever 5 stars on here
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First off; congrats on one of the overall best quality flicks on this site. Great cinematography, color grading, f/x, and sound f/x. I can certainly appreciate your work. It demonstrates hard work, planning, and overall commitment.

Here's what didn't work for me. I felt the dialogue sound was too "clean." It almost felt studio recorded in spots and I found it distracting for some reason. I also thought the beginning credits were drug out way too far without visual footage. I think that an occasion flash of imagery would have helped it play out better.

But that's just me. Overall you've got a solid film. Congrats!
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That was amazing! the grading was sweet and flashes and animation and explosions were great! except the one part with the tank it kind of looked like a toy when it stoped(which i'm pretty sure it was) other than that only two problems the night time scene i could easily tell it was shot in the day time and the ending was really lame in my opinion but other than those two things it was awsome!
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This was a great film overall, but there's always something to complain about, and in this case I'll have to agree with mavic19; the sound (dialogue) was TOO good. I like that you put a lot of effort (at least I believe you did wink) into getting the audio clear and crisp, but you kind of overdid it, so at times I felt as if the film was dubbed! Other than that there's not much I can complain about. Everything I can think of, from the actors to the effects, were top-notch. Okay, there's one more thing you could've maybe done better, and this one is also sound-related (surprise!). The sound effects you used for the various weapon in the film are ones that have been used over and over again, and I think that it would've boosted the overall quality of the film just a teeny bit more if you'd used some sound effects that weren't as generic. But still, bravo!
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I've been waiting for this movie for along time and i have to say it definately delivers. Yes, some of the ADR was too good and the sound effects were straight out of Call of Duty 2 but i still think this is one of the best films on this site. The grading is excellent and original, since most war films these days like to use the "semi-desaturated" look and copy Saving Private Ryan.

In terms of authenticity, nothing beats this movie...at all...you had a real Tiger Tank for Christ sake! The weapons were all acurate and the uniforms looked very authentic (i wish i had some so i could make my own WWII movie). Obviously, you were able to tap into a group of highly dedicated people to complete this production. The actors were good, although the main German looked about 17 and not old enough for a rank that high. The locations were well chosen and music was really good.

The effects were really good and the CG was well done also. Even the story had an unexpected ending. This film is definately up there with the best. Well done!

One last thing; when can we expect the making of documentary?
AE
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I Can't view this. sad Its not working for me. :'(
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The actors were good, although the main German looked about 17
It is a misconception that tank crew are well aged. Some tank commanders were as young as 14. Soldiers from hitler youth were as young as 12. The average age for a soldier in WW2 was 18. Films usually portray soldiers in their late 30's-40's. In Saving Private Ryan nearly all the actors are too old to play the parts. Of course this is all nit picking and really doesn't matter.

Can't view this. Its not working for me. :'(
Make sure you have the latest quick time installment and all should be dandy smile

Thanks everyone for the kind comments. I'm glad most of you like the movie biggrin
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Simply brilliant! Great job with the entire project. It kept me interested from start to finish. Very professionally done film. As a recording engineer from my previous life, the sound was done very well. Personally, I prefer ADR over live/on-site audio. So the more crisp the voiceovers the better. Fantastic job.
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Hi Ash,

Some great comments and useful feedback from FXHome users. Keeping an eye on BTL's rise through the box office ranks, got the Asti Spumante on ice for when it breaks into the top 10! hugegrin

Really looking forward to gettting the hard copy!! Have you used any of the soundtrack in the DVD extras? Checked out your Obedient Bone video-looks great, some funky editing!

Cheers

Dave and Jode
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THAT IS BEST MOVIE I SEEN ALL MY ENTIRE LIFE!!!! 5 STARS FOR THE MOVIE AND YOU FOR WRITTING AND DIRECTING BETWEEN THE LINES!!!! : ) biggrin
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To answer this simply - Yes! They should have been knocked over. The only reason they weren't was because there was no time to capture green screen footage of soldiers falling over (not to mention that the Green Screen set up probably wouldn't accommodate for such lengths of movement). So unfortunately footage of running soldiers was used.
K, Thanks for clearing that up. That was all that was wrong with it for me. Some people have been saying the sound stayed at the same level, I thought that made it better and seemed to fit the style. smile
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what a fantastic film, boy has mine got a way to go.
i cant wait to get a dvd of it, normally i'm a sci/fi fan
but this is good and can easily rest well with the
longest day, battle of britain, kellys heroes to name just
a couple of the war films in my collection. keep up the
good work fellas.
sean
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Can't get it to play. I have up to date Quicktime, but it says the required compressor could not be found.
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That is awesome. Nice period uniforms, and the interaction between either side brilliant.
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Phenomenal.
What can I say that hasn't been said already. Easily the best movie to ever be submitted to FXhome(alamDV)

I applaud you sir.

Looking foward to your future projects.
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Gives mjaor pwnage.
That sums it up. 5 stars.
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Loved the visual style. Spoke a lot in terms of composition and editing.

I hate to nitpick but the sound kinda ruined it for me. The recording was generally good but the faint reverb on much of the dialog made it a bit painfully obvious that it was all dubbed. More natural sounds such as a lot more background rustle and live recorded footsteps would have added so much more. Also you may need to check on the legalities of using some of your sound effects as (to me) it seemed that most of them came from from Call of Duty (game).

As I said I really hate to fault it as its a superb effort and worthy of all the high praise its already recieved. I look forward to seeing more of your work.
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I can't speak for the actual sound editing/quality itself, but I do know that Ashman got full permission to use the Call of Duty sounds from Activision/Infinity Ward.
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Hmm interesting. When I was in the industry they were usually dead set against anyone using anything they'd made (Studios in general). If thats changing it bodes well for all film makers smile

Only downside I guess is that if its a fairly well known game, people will recognise it (Im amazed the number of times I hear sounds from Microprose's UFO : Enemy Unknown in adverts and the like)...

Anyway I digress. Cheers for the info smile
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Hmm interesting. When I was in the industry they were usually dead set against anyone using anything they'd made (Studios in general). If thats changing it bodes well for all film makers
Vince Zampella from Activision gave me permission to use sound effects from the CoD games. All the other sounds were recorded live. This film was made for charity as a non profit project, this was the reason I was allowed to use the well known sounds.
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I'm always surprised when people say they recognise sounds from a game like Call of Duty. To me, it just sounds like authentic weaponry noises, I couldn't specify whether the sounds were from a WW2 computer game, movie, radio play etc.

In the event of unique sounds that are unusual, then sure, they can be very recognisable. I'm curious as to what identifies these sounds as being specifically from CoD. smile
Posted: Thu, 17th May 2007, 2:21pm

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I guess it comes from playing the game a lot. If you're exposed to sounds that are repeated fairly often, in a stress like environment (such as being viritually shot at) I guess you could recognise them easier (maybe?).

Aye as I said, Im not knocking it for the sake of knocking it and I think its a fine film (I certainly can't claim to have made anything like it), just a few minor points for reference etc smile
Posted: Thu, 17th May 2007, 2:29pm

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True, but in the case of the CoD noises (I've played the game extensively myself) I think I associate them more with 'World War 2' than Call of Duty specifically, so it works perfectly in BtL for me. Then again, some people are more sensitive to specific sounds so perhaps pick up on it more easily.
Posted: Sat, 19th May 2007, 6:09am

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That was positively amazing! Even with a shot here and there that was distracting (I thought the soldier near the beginning with the guts exposed could have looked a bit more realistic), this movie was very well done. I mean, I got so sucked into the story and the action, I was talking to my computer monitor!

Great work!

Josh
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Posted: Sun, 20th May 2007, 4:57am

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Great work! This kept my attention for a full thirty minutes, in a small window on a computer screen...now that is amazing.

I'm really surprised at how good the footage from the GL2s look. Nice depth of field.
Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007, 10:27pm

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Incredibly good for a mini budget movie. Nice pictures and good story. Was wondering what kinda sound equipment was used?
Anyway, 5 stars from me and keep up the movie making ^^
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 12:46pm

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An example of how story and good acting can move a film forward
more than the technical side of things.
A fabulous production and something to be proud of.
I also felt that this film had a similar "feel" to it as "The Last Day" by
ferral.

This and TLD are great tributes to the heroes and horrors of war and we can only hope that they are never forgotten.

Well Done
5stars

Dave
Posted: Mon, 3rd Sep 2007, 9:16pm

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DUDE!!

My girlfriend and I watched this film for the first time last week and it actually made me get my password just so I can come and post this comment!

It was soo good! And that doesn't even begin to describe how good it actually was. We watched it during the week last week and it's still with me. Mate, you'll have to let us know when your feature comes out... we'll be at the premier... we're both huge fans now!

Kind regards

J
Posted: Tue, 1st Jan 2008, 4:46pm

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Wow! Great film
10/10

It must have cost you an arm and a leg to hire/buy all the props used in the film
Nice work, hope you enjoyed making it as much as I enjoyed watching it
Posted: Fri, 4th Jan 2008, 5:20pm

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It was really good. It must have cost alot to make this but in the end when you see the final product, it is sooo worth it.
Posted: Sun, 27th Jan 2008, 10:46pm

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Most of the films i've seen on FxHome pretty much live up to my expectations of being 'amateur' but this one was a real shocker. It really did have a film quality to it and the attention to detail has paid off so well.

My only gripe would be an overly descriptive screenplay. The characters say a bit too much about stuff that isn't relevant to the immediate situation they are in, but this is a really minor point.

There are a vast amount of shots in this that simply scream "professional production". When I showed this my friend (who is a film maker) he said 'wow, that guy muct have used a good camera'. He was shocked when i told him it was all done on a Canon Xm2; shocked because that's the camera he uses & he was just amazed at how it all looked. A lot of time must have gone into grading this film to get it to look good, because it really does have a proper film look about it.

This was the film that inspired me to get FxHome & start messing around with filming & now I appreciate even more how hard Ash must have worked on this.
Posted: Tue, 1st Apr 2008, 2:43pm

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You know why I love this film?

This german guy, I would call him the antagonist (sorry, don't remember his name) speaks a perfect german. It's not remarkable that all the german cast does not speak wotihout accent, but this guy do. Maybe better than me, though biggrin

Amazing, just like the film, the shots the effects, the mood. See ya in Hollywod, ashman - but only if the level there isn't too low for you wink

Regards,
Lucas
Posted: Sat, 3rd May 2008, 6:03am

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I enjoyed this film. Thank you for making and sharing.
Posted: Wed, 21st May 2008, 5:26pm

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This masterpice is better then some of the hoolyood movies.
its so goooooooooooooooooooood!!!!
I love i and i think the creators can do good stuff an ashley wing should work in hollywood.
with th money he can do it
Posted: Fri, 25th Jul 2008, 9:03pm

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Well done to all the team behind this film.
From script to screen very good indeed.

I liked the fact that you 'witness' emotion not tell it.

When ever I hear characters talking about their emotions I want to get the sick bucket out, but this film was like the greats, you use your emotional empathy to understand the characters.

Also no classic good/bad types but real human beings!
Posted: Sun, 1st Feb 2009, 6:18pm

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Did u use a professinal camera?
Posted: Mon, 2nd Feb 2009, 1:20am

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Canon GL2 was used with no adapters, if I'm not mistaken.
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We did indeed use the Canon.

Although it was the PAL version, the XM2.
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I cant play this video of yours why?? WHY???
Posted: Wed, 11th Feb 2009, 6:58pm

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Maybe your Quicktime is broken or you don't have it?
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Between the Lines is also on YouTube. I have amended the details in the description above with links to each part. Hopefully this will solve issues for those who do not have Quicktime installed.

Best,
Ash.