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Vegas Video or Adobe Premiere?

Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 12:23pm

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Hi all,

I'm new to DV editing and was wondering which program would be best for me - Vegas Video or Adobe Premiere? While I'm new to it at the moment, I'd like a program that I can grow into and doesn't have a steep learning curve. I've had a look at the demo packages for both of the above and I could use a lot of features in Premiere straight away without reading too much of the instructions. The opposite was the case with Vegas Video, I was totally lost. But I've read great things about VV and wouldn't like to think I went with Premiere because "it seemed easier" and miss out on something with Vegas Video.

Any suggestions on which of the two?

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Destroyer
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 2:05pm

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I was just going to make a post on this myself.

I used Premiere 6 for about 6 months before switching to Final Cut Pro 3 (I just finished a certification course via Apple as well). I've switched back to a PC and now I'm using Vegas Video 3.0.

Having gone through the primary "suite" I can tell you that Vegas Video is the easiest to learn out of all 3. It's got most of the same tools (the ones it's missing you'll never use anyway), a very slick and easy ot understand interface (it looks exactly like ACID 3.0) and it's powerful. There are loads of first and third party plugins and it comes with a healthy supply of features (you're not likely to ever purchase more).

If you're new to NLE, the Vegas Video manual (pdf.) is the most professionally written, easiest to understand manual I've ever read, period.
Like most people, I didn't buy it, but I own a copy of ACID 3.0 that I use for Dj'ing etc. Sonic Foundry's staff are some of the kindest and easiest going tech. support people I've ever talked too.

If I were you, I'd go with Vegas Video 3.0. you'll be quite happy. Check the standard shmock of file sharing portals to try it out beofe you make a purchase just to be sure.

I'm sure opinions will very on what I've just said; but I've run the gambit on these applications and had formal training on all of them, so you can take my word on what I've just said about Vegas Video 3.0. biggrin

-Neo
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 2:38pm

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I have to say I think Premiere is a much more complete application.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 3:29pm

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Well, I started video editing on Vegas Video 2.0d and have continued to use it right up to the latest version 3. It certainly seems the easiest between Premiere and VV. But I have started to use Adobe Premiere for certain things. Not to mention, AP integrates well with Photoshop and After Effects.

Vegas Video is by far, the easiest of the two.

Adam.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 3:44pm

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I had a trial version of Premiere, and I soon gave up on it! After trying various others I came across Vegas, and it was sooo intuitive and easy to use. Also it's much cheaper than Premiere smile Sofar i haven't found anything in Vegas which I can't do, and many many more effects possible than I realised originally. Of course that being said, if you are looking to go professional, it's probably worth going down the Premiere route, a it's also cross platform, and everyone knows the professional world uses macs smile. All I can say is get a trial version of each, and try and compile the same piece of work in each, to see what you liked most, and what you ended up with in each.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 5:01pm

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premiere!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Jun 2002, 5:02pm

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and neo! u good at wrinting posts! LOOOOOOOONG POSTS!! razz
Posted: Tue, 4th Jun 2002, 1:39am

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Sorry.....I tend to ramble wink

I used AVID for a couple of weeks on a friends PC while I was waiting for mine to be built. If you want to talk industry, that's what you need to know how to use. If you can handle the Express DV interface you'll be able to tackle on of the actual "boards" (if you're ever lucky enough to sit in front of it). Final Cut Pro 3 is AVID. I didn't find it much worse.

I agree with Fallen. If you really intend on going "pro" stick to Premiere, AVID or FInal Cut Pro. For just about everything else (and making your life headache free) go with Vegas Video.

-Neo
Posted: Tue, 4th Jun 2002, 2:20am

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Thanks for the reply guys.

From what I read here it seems Vegas Video is the easiest to use but that was not my first impression. I guess the old saying is true: When all else fails, read the manual.

Cheers,
Destroyer.
Posted: Tue, 4th Jun 2002, 2:40am

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Why'd you switch from FCP Neo?
Posted: Tue, 4th Jun 2002, 10:51pm

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I've started using a PC at home and I moved my iMac G4 Superdrive to work. I needed an NLE for Windows and I've never been much of a fan of Premiere. AVID seemed like the most logical alternative to FCP but I found the interface a bit too muddled- a buddy let me borrow his PC with Vegas Video on it. I've been using it for about 2.5 weeks now. Nothing you can do in FCP3 that you can't do in Vegas Video 3.0 + I've been using ACID Pro for 3 years for music so I found the switch really easy.

Just choice I guess. razz

-Neo
Posted: Wed, 5th Jun 2002, 12:24am

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Yeah, FCP3 is really nice, except the only problem is when importing! I wish it did it automatically like iMovie does. cool
Posted: Wed, 5th Jun 2002, 1:04am

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Clip logging is a definite nuisance. Premiere, Final Cut, Avid, even Vegas Video (but you don't have to do it that way in Vegas) all go through the same crazy feature. I remember the clown who was teaching my Final Cut Pro class went into this long diatribe about why it's necessary to "log and comment" on all your clips. When I edit my first Hollywood Blockbuster I'll be sure to thank him; until then I'll stay pissed off with the whole silly procedure.

-Neo wink
Posted: Wed, 5th Jun 2002, 1:14am

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i likes premier 6 oink
Posted: Wed, 5th Jun 2002, 2:34am

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From my first experience of video editing programs being with professional systems I have always looked down on toy programs like Premier that only worked on mpeg based footage.

Since then processing power has increased and the use of DV has increased the general standards of quality so theres now quite an overlap between the low end professional stuff and the toy ones and Premier has moved up a little on the scale. (Oh and of course there are all the boards which work with it)

I would say its goes

pro systems

Things like speed razor, studio.dv and fcp

Premier

Vegas video and pinnacle studio dv

the lower pinacle products, ulead and the other freebie ones you get with firewire cards and cameras
Posted: Wed, 5th Jun 2002, 2:32pm

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Why not use the capture now option in FCP?
Posted: Thu, 6th Jun 2002, 1:52am

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I hear you. It's a matter of choice. I'm only being a stickler about Vegas Video because of the ACID Pro style/iMovieish interface and "potential". Like Fallen said, there isn't anything you can't do with it. More importantly, it's idiot proof. You learn the complicated stuff easily with the help files and/or manual when you need them. I just feel that FCP, AVID & Premiere require a "training" investment (coursework or books) just so you can do the elementary stuff.

Maybe I'm just a tard .......... wink biggrin

Vegas Video 3.0 for this kid from now on.

-Neo
Posted: Thu, 6th Jun 2002, 2:07am

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premiere didn't require any training.
Posted: Thu, 6th Jun 2002, 2:12am

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I've used most systems but only in a playing about with features kinda way. Of all the applications I've tested I feel most at home on FCP3 but on the PC I use Premiere 6 but it is not as much fun. smile
Posted: Thu, 6th Jun 2002, 3:10am

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I still love FCP3, but to be honest, if Sonic Foundry made Vegas Video for a Mac, I'd use it instead. Bizarre coming from the former Apple FCP advocate I know, but I love this app.

-Neo
Posted: Mon, 10th Jun 2002, 6:56pm

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I had no problem learning FCP after a little bit of practice. I haven't gotten a chance to try Vegas Video because I only use Windows at work, but I'll be majoring in Computer Science in the fall and I have a feeling I may end up getting a PC sad
Posted: Tue, 11th Jun 2002, 10:39pm

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Don't be so hard. I love my new one (I thought like that for a long time). If you want an application for the PC that is almost identical to FCP, try AVID.

-Neo
Posted: Wed, 12th Jun 2002, 4:21am

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I love Final Cut Pro Three IT IS SO GREAT I MEAN REAL TIME EDITING I thinks its great and the editing wheel is very cool gotta buy on of those if you buy FCP3
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 1:07am

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yeah..........jog wheel are very useful. Have you guys checked out the Final Cut, AVID & Premiere Editing Keyboards? They're pretty cool. A must have with the wheel.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 1:17am

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Hey All

I use premier 5.1
It does jsut bout everythign i want so im happy
ihave tried vegas one, but premier is great

-MAGIC
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 4:14am

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Vegas Video 1 bit the donkey shvanz. This is a matter of personal preference ultimately. Having just finished editing a little peice for this site (I'm on to the Audio now) I can say I'm thankful for Vegas' ability to port directly into Soundforge to correct audio. Very useful feature.

-Neo
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 7:13am

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i forgot to say, vegas video 3 has raltime effects, similarly to FCP. Premiere doesnt smile
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 4:12pm

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Does Vegas Video have the color correction tools like FCP 3?
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 5:39pm

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it does have colour correction tools, but i dont think they work in the same way
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 5:10pm

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I disagree. The colour correction tools are the same if not better. They certainly don't have the same sliders but you can easily manipulate them to achieve the same results+ Vegas Video has some excellent "Film" plugins that none of the other software has.

-Neo
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 5:21pm

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Many class Premier as the industry standard though. Just a thought... wink
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