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Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 5:01pm

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i know there are quite afew of these floating about on here but they didn't have the info i needed. so here we go. for my film im makeing i am trying to get investors even if they only chip in a few pounds every little helps. how would i go about asking people like should i set up a little stand down town witha sign up sheet saying the persons name and amount donated and give them a space in the end credits or somthing is that even legal???
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 5:09pm

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Present them with your ideas, script and maybe storyboard. If they think the movie is going to be good enough, sure they'll help. But if they don't...accept and move on to another possible investor.

But i think the people you want to have are donators, investors want theyre money back + maybe a small profit.
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 5:48pm

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ok thanks
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 6:26pm

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is it illigal to ask the people for donations
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 6:29pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

is it illigal to ask the people for donations
It depends- some would call that "panhandling" and there may be laws against that-

But can I simply ask why you just don't borrow the money from a parent or uncle and then work to pay it back?

Uncle Jim- I will mow your grass 20 times this summer if you loan me 100$ to make my movie... etc.?
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 6:31pm

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good idea
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 6:48pm

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I'd only ask close friends or relatives. If you just ask random people they'll think your crazy. People are often skeptical of charities who ask for donations, let alone a teenage kid asking for money to make a movie.
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 7:29pm

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You could always get a part time job? Ask for volunteers to help with stuff and try to get as much stuff for free
If you live in teh UK check out the film council they can give you a grant to make your movie, the only down side to that is they own most of your distribution rights, e.g it would be illegal to premiere your movie somewhee without confiriming it with them, you wouldn't be able to make copies of it without their consent etc.
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 7:57pm

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There are thousands of people out there who want money to make their film and to get people to "give" you money you need to have something they dont. A good portfolio and/or work history is a good place to start.

If i remember correctly you need to be officially registered to legally ask for monetary donations from the general public and its a quick proccess (in the UK atleast). Ask family and people you know, there's always people willing to pay a few quid for people to mow their lawns. Do NOT ask random people if you can do odd jobs. There's alot of dodgy people around.
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 9:17pm

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could ask people at school to donate a few pounds each or somthing and then they get theire names in the credits
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 9:21pm

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Here's what I do a lot of the time.

Try to go to some big event, and ask everyone there to each donate a small amount (like a pound a piece). If there are 100 people there, that's 100 pounds.

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Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 9:31pm

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yeah hopfully i might get a few people donate a bit of money from school by doing that. then i might ask nighbours, maybe some local bussinesses.
Posted: Sat, 24th Mar 2007, 9:57pm

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is there anywere else i should try to get donations???
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 2:09am

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Pyramid scams and prostitution, that's how all the best directors started.
It's unlikely that you'll get any kind of substantial donation from people you don't know well or any kind of sponsorship unless they'll see a worthwhile return on their investment (either through profit or, in the case of local businesses, advertising/exposure). Your best bet other than funding your project yourself would be to sponge off of people who just want to incourage you and don't worry about the money.

Frankly though I don't see why you wouldn't fund it yourself as you would with any other hobby.
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 3:42am

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Rawree wrote:

Pyramid scams and prostitution, that's how all the best directors started.
It's unlikely that you'll get any kind of substantial donation from people you don't know well or any kind of sponsorship unless they'll see a worthwhile return on their investment (either through profit or, in the case of local businesses, advertising/exposure). Your best bet other than funding your project yourself would be to sponge off of people who just want to incourage you and don't worry about the money.

Frankly though I don't see why you wouldn't fund it yourself as you would with any other hobby.
I agree 100%! How muxch money do you actually need that you can't raise with a few odd jobs and an advance from your parents!?!?!?

You haven't shot frame ONE yet have you?
crazy
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 9:43am

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i need round about donations of £200. i know thats alot but i need it for softwere, advertising equipment ect. that way i can put in what i have to make quite a good budget for our needs
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 10:00am

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Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 10:14am

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i forgot all about that thanks
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 10:40am

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fxmaniac wrote:

i need round about donations of £200. i know thats alot but i need it for softwere, advertising equipment ect.
If you have access to a camera and a computer, that's all you need at the moment. The things you need to learn at this juncture can be done for free. Why would you need money for advertising?

Write a few simple scenes that you can put together with a couple of friends or family. Learn how to frame shots, learn how natural light can effect these shots by filming in different locations at different times of the day. Then, get this footage into some editing software, and play around with different cuts of the same scene.

Show people you have a firm grasp of film-making concepts, with well executed, strong ideas.

I don't know your family's financial situation, but £200 doesn't sound like too much to attain over the course of say a year, if this is something you really want to do. I'll confess I don't know what the average 12 year old in the UK is into these days, but I'll bet if you made a few sacrifices in the next 12 months and asked for the money to go to your film fund you'd be quite surprised.
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 10:43am

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yh i need the like Quite a bit of money to be able to buy visionlab
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 10:51am

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fxmaniac wrote:

yh i need the like Quite a bit of money to be able to buy visionlab
Read my post again. Visionlab is brilliant, but it's the icing on the cake. It can't write dialogue, it can't shoot your footage, and it can't edit it for you. The greatest effects in the world don't mean anything without solid film-making to back them up.

Grab the camera, and go film something. Anything. Then do it again. Prove to people why you need the software.
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 11:31am

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I agree with all Alex Reeve's said.

Have you even made a film yet? There are plenty of things you can do without effects. And with the tack you're taking, no one is going to want to "invest" in a film of someone who's never made a film. An investment implies return and something worth buying into. What you seem to be looking for is just money to allow you to buy stuff. Which isn't as simple as saying to people "Hey I'm making a movie can you give me money for it?" Unless those people are your parents.

For getting experience and on the right track, in the UK the film council has regional offices that they give funding to. These places usually offer free filmmaking workshop schemes, so I would go to the film council's website and look up your local regional office. I've been on them and while they're not the best ever for a film career, they give you the basics for digital video.

Another thing is to start earning money. I earnt money from 11 onwards by mowing people's lawns and gardening, you could do the same.
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 12:29pm

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i know its stupid of me to do this but im now filming a random film that i make up as i go along
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 12:55pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

i know its stupid of me to do this but im now filming a random film that i make up as i go along
If you're going to use it to try and encourage donations then don't!
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 1:03pm

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Make some sacrifices as previous people have said, try and find a free hobby for a while. I'm saving up for my feature film now and i used to belong to a hobby called Warhammer, it was basically painting miniatures and stuff, which was fun, but really expensive! since i've putthat on hold i'm saving bundles of cash! And i've started doing more sports and being able to concentrate on my movie and school work at the same time. It shouldn't be too hard to get 200 quid surely? when's your birthday? or even easter! instead of chocolate ask for the money instead, sure it's only about £3-5 but every little helps biggrin
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 2:14pm

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you are all right sacrifice is good i just washed my mum and dads car which only took me 45 minuets and in no time i was given £10
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 2:23pm

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Excellent! 5% already saved!
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 2:58pm

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just dugg out an old £15 i had hidden and i might ask about having a carboot sale. ive got some old toy lamps fans stuff like that i can sell or i might try ebay.
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 3:21pm

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Nice thinking. You could always get a paper round, i know it's only like £3 per day but that's quite a lot if you do it around 3 days a week!
Posted: Wed, 28th Mar 2007, 7:28pm

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I heard about the EIS scheme while I was at Bradford International Film Festival - it's a way for companies and investors to write off some of their tax bil by investing in films. The thing is, of course, is that you need to be able to pitch them your feature, which usually takes a few years of making them (or at least shorts).
If you can prove you're passionate about your idea and sell it as a movie before it's made, you can get money off al kinds of people.

When you're old enough. In the meantime, you could always work for money. That is, after all the traditional way.
Posted: Thu, 29th Mar 2007, 3:20am

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I'm against borrowing money for a film. What I do is just do odd jobs and save up until I have enough money to shoot.

Paying people back plus some is a bitch to do. It would be better if you paid for it all yourself so you can get all the profits.