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Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 8:18pm

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Does anyone know if there are any plans on fxhome making these programs with a universal binary for people with intel macs?
Posted: Sun, 25th Mar 2007, 8:33pm

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This question has been asked and answered numerous times. Please use the search button next time.
Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 2:54am

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There are not currently any plans, although it seems that they intend to make it universal at some point in the future.

EDIT: Read below

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Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 5:02am

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Not entirely true, SGB. The last update provided by Schwar mentioned that there are most definitely plans to move to universal binary. The reason the move has not yet been made is due to other third party software halting its progression, preventing the FXhome team from even beginning the work in this direction for quite a while.

As far as I am aware, there have been some steps made in this direction, with FXhome being at the forefront. Once certain complications are out of the way, universal binary will be in the picture as quickly as possible. Just thought I would clear that up.

Take care.
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Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 9:11pm

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so does that mean if i got the current version now, i could just update it for free when they do make it a universal binary or should i wait for it to be done or what?
Posted: Mon, 26th Mar 2007, 9:55pm

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All updates are free until version 2.0 which will be a paid upgrade. Can't say for 100% certain, but a Universal version should hopefully be out before then. In the meantime, althoguh it won't be quite as fast as it could be, it still runs fine on the Intel/Mac chipset.
Posted: Sat, 7th Apr 2007, 9:41am

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Axeman wrote:

All updates are free until version 2.0 which will be a paid upgrade. Can't say for 100% certain, but a Universal version should hopefully be out before then. In the meantime, althoguh it won't be quite as fast as it could be, it still runs fine on the Intel/Mac chipset.
I agree I am using Intel imacs and it runs fine I just can't seem to import the preset though.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 1:19am

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*watches Macbook Pro calculate 26 minutes to render a 35 second clip*
Posted: Mon, 21st May 2007, 3:58pm

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I just wanted to let you guys know that EffectsLab spoke with me today. It wants to know when it will accepted into the Universal club. Most of its friends have already left the PowerPC league.

I said, "Hey, EffectsLab, I know how you must be feeling. There's nothing I can do about it, but I will bring it up on the discussion boards."

I hope you have it in your hearts to help out an old friend in a time of need. EffectsLab needs you right now.
Posted: Mon, 21st May 2007, 5:14pm

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Wizard wrote:

The reason the move has not yet been made is due to other third party software halting its progression, preventing the FXhome team from even beginning the work in this direction for quite a while.
If this is still the case, it is still not possible.
Posted: Thu, 14th Jun 2007, 9:48pm

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Hey guys...

I have somewhat of a small rant. I hate feeling way. I am not upset with FxHome in any way. The developers of FxHome software and the entire FxHome community has always been great to me. That makes this even harder to say.

Maybe I am just blind, but I have not seen or heard of even the first step in the direction towards a universal binary. I don't expect there to be many others in my position because I know the primary user groups are Windows users. However, almost EVERY other application I use or come across is universal now. Some just convert there own code, some use Cider, etc. It's not that I believe the developers aren't trying. I am sure they are doing their best. I just can't see why this conversion is taking so long.

On my Macbook Pro, once I click something, the spinning whell comes up for 5 seconds before I see any result, or before it starts to do anything. It's just agrivating quickly. The fact that the news page never has any product developement news, only random movie giveaways, isn't encouraging either.

Is there any hope for a Universal binary soon? If anybody has an estimate, I'm open for discussion. It just seems this is taking beyond the normal time frame for an update. A lot more complex apps have already made the leap. If FxHome doesn't update soon, I am going to be forced to learn new software, just to save time in the long run. This isn't something that I want to do but it has come to this.

I don't expect tons of others to agree with me, if any. However, this software seems like its dry period isn't even close to being over. I could be wrong about everything and if I am, I'm sure someone will let me know. If I'm right, I will be moving on. I hope this isn't goodbye.
Posted: Thu, 14th Jun 2007, 11:35pm

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The fastest Mac I've got is a dual G4, which carries its own speed issues, but I know the actual FXhome team have at least one Intel Mac in the office, so they do understand what you are dealing with. Also, I've been around here since the days of AlamDV1, and can assure you that they highly value the Mac platform, and have always endeavored to keep both Mac and PC versions equally current. Sorry that I can't give you the good news you want to hear, but that's about the best explanation I can give at the current time. I'll talk to the crew again and see if there is any update on this, but as far as I know this is as recent as it gets.
Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007, 1:28am

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Thanks Axeman, I really really appreciate your help, as I have over the years. See, this is the community that I hope not to leave.
Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007, 6:08am

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Sure thing. Even if you do eventually need to use some other software in the meantime, though, you can still stick around the community. smile
Posted: Wed, 25th Jul 2007, 9:20pm

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I just bought fxhome effects pro and was considering buying composite pro but now I will more than likely go with another tpye of software. Not because I dont like the product.I think Its great.Some of the easiest and most intuitive around and the support is unmatched. But all things have a down side. My hopes for a Universal Binary has been crushed. The Mac community begs and pleds for some answers on this subject and all we get over and over is "well bring it up." Have you "brung" it up yet? If so, what was the response? The Mac community is growing and growing. Since Vista, more and more people are moving to the Mac platform. Mainly the intal Mac. And it seems we are getting ignored more and more by fxhome.The ppc is history and has been for awhile. What is the hold up. effectslab runs fine but the lag is just to much to take over a long film. It makes me feel ignored. Windows is the main customer base but that you should forget the people that dont make you alot of money. Is that what its about? Money? Once again, the software and the support are unmatched but being left out in the cold doesnt make you feel to warm.I wish i could buy compositepro for mac but i just cant. not knowing when, if any, universal version will be available. I just wish they would make an announcement one way or the other. I really hate to leave such a great company for less effective software but production time means everything.
Posted: Wed, 25th Jul 2007, 11:50pm

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I can't imagine that the software runs slower on your intel Mac than on my 5 year old Powermac G4, and even on my computer, the lag isn't all that bad. I'm curious to see how slow the software is actually running on an intel mac. As far as Mac support, read my post fourth up from this post for an answer there, and remember that they are running macs in the office over at Fxhome.
Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2009, 3:06pm

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All Bull crap. You realize I bought FXhome products (BOTH of them i might add) in 2007 Feb.!!!! It is now almost March 2009 and still no word of a UB for mac. Your still telling us you cant give out any info? BULLS**T. This is a big huge con. No way is third party support this late in going UB. Your lying to us. If you depend that much on 3rd party stuff than i dont want you guys anyway. If a 3rd party outfit can STOP production on your products than its pathetic. Your business totally revolves around these people if you want a UB? So the UB version is not in your hands at all? If this is the case than I for sure dont want to get any of your stuff. I bought this 2 years ago ON THE PROMISE that a UB was coming its just delayed. Now 2 years later your screaming the exact same bulls**t. Blaming someone else trying to take focus off the problem by saying "They are fast in the office" BULLS**T. Maybe they are but if you tell me they are as fast as pc than your liars. You say things like "I cant believe its slower than my g4" Well sir, if a g4 is all you have than it tells me how concerned with the mac you really are. If your using ppc macs than no wonder your in no hurry? Are you guys not smart enough to do it or are you waiting for Snow Leopard to be intel only than my version i bought wont work anymore cause SL is intel only. So you telling me i bought software i wont be able to use when SL arrives because your to damn lazy or incapable of doing a UB version. All your excuses and bullcrapp over the last 2 years on this is just made me sick. I have a youtube channel with over 1000 subs. I am in theprocess of making a video telling my viewers TO NEVER EVER use your stuff if your a mac user. You think the attitude you have taken and the shut mouths you have had has done anything but inspire disdain in the mac community for your stuff? Do you care? Or do you just not give a f**k about us mac users. How dare you say you care when every time this is brung up your blame other people or tell people its still fast. How dumb do you think we are? You never take responsibility for anything and you always blame 3rd party stuff. There is NOT ONE app out there that is not UB fort the mac now. Your lying to us. You are not stuck waiting. I know the situation and your waiting on ways to make more money. Your upgrade policy is so expensive is laughable. You say its for the professional but you clearly know its not up to ANY pro level quality like Houdini, Shake, Cinema4d, Maya. These are pro apps. Not fu**ing VLStudios. Its for the very very INDIE film maker. yet you charge a huge upgrade price at the excuse its for pros. The watermark is unacceptable. So damn greedy you have to make your customers put your name on stuff they created. I can go out and get a complete version of houdini for 100 dollars thats non commercial and you know what? they trust there customers enough to remove the watermark from it. They say its not useable for commercial use but they dont watermark it. THEY TRUST US. But you guys, lol,. No damn way will you go without people seeing your name somewhere. I realize you must have no clue on how bad this attitude of your is effecting your reputation, not only with mac users but with all users. PC users suffer from your pricing upgrade scheme and watermark bulls**t. In the end, I finally realize your lying to us. Nothing you can say will convince me otherwise. No way after 2 years of waiting can you have no answers for us. Your not telling us anything more than you did 2 years ago. How long do you expect us to feed into your line of bulls**t? You have told us this for 2 YEARS!! A UB is coming, its 3rd party. Sorry cant even guess when it will be released. YES you will have to buy it again when a UB is released.

Its all bullcrap. Your doing this so we have to buy it all over again and I WILL NOT. A UB comes out former mac users should get a free upgrade to because we have been lied to for 2 years. You expect us to wait 2 years and then so "oh thank you all mighty VL labs gods" @ years is all i needed to hate you. You dont think we deserve anything? All we get it "its fast for us" or "Its 3rd party" all bulls**t by the way. I should MOT have to pay the same money as pc people for an out of date, stone age PPC app running damn rosette. Make all the excuses you want but its not as fast or responsive as the pc version. And I should NOT have to pay the same price as the pc guys when i get a crippled version of the software. Fast or slow its not working to its full potential; and rosetta kills my processor. If i want to work in other apps i cant cause VL bull crap is using rosetta. Us mac users are lied to, ripped off, and ignored. Yu are not the least bit interested in macs, so im gonna make sure the mac community isnt the least bit interested in you. Ill even leave a date and time for my video about you. The channel is applesoldier and the video will be posted 3/3/09. It will revel all your arrogant comments from this forum and all your excuses and then ill tell people to not buy your stuff. our response to this will just be more excuses. Blaming other people or telling me its fast like it is. You wont tell me anything for sure but you will tell me to keep waiting and you will blame other people. I want to know a BIG question. WHAT ABOU SNOW LEOPARD BEING INTEL ONLY? No ppc Support at all. So have i just got 2 years of use out of something i paid hundreds for? Or are you planning to spring it on people and then tell them they have to buy it again? With you acting like this, refusing to share any info about it. Refusing to even let us know what to expect with snow leopard tells me you either have no damn clue or are not telling us cause you dont want a back lash from mac users. In the end we mac users are not dumb. Its been 2 years and still just excuses. Im now officially to the point of think your crooks or just incapable of maintaining your product. Either way, i dont want no part of you anymore. I have waited very patiently for 2 long years. I gave you my money with promises of a UB someday. How much bullcrap do you expect us mac users to put up with? Plase stop giving us second hand products compared to the pc version. Please stop charging me the same price as the pc version when the pc version runs nativly adn my mac version dont. Its like making colored people pay more cause they are colored. It may sound stupid but i feel as if your racial against mac users.

So you keep ripping other mac users off, you kep charging them the same money for a slower non native product than the pc guys. And you just keep lying to them telling them it will be here one day, its 3rd party peoples fault. When i can look across the hall and clearly see a pc version of the same app running way faster than my version on the mac and knowing you charged me the same money, tell me it will be fixed and never gets fixed, just makes me want to make it my life mission to hurt your reputation. I have had faith in you guys only to be ingorned, spoken to rudly or laughed at. Everytime this is mentioned you say crap like "it runs fast in the office" We know thats a lie. It may be fast but its not NATIVE, everyone is on intel now. And if you still use ppc than that tells me how concerned you are with macs in general. I want to know what to expect with Snow Leopard. Will my stuff quit working? Have i pard you for only 2 years of product? If you do make a version for leoaprd are you gonna make me pay for it? Im sure you will. Teh app i bought before wont work at all but if i want iteh app i legally paid for to work on snow leopard im gonna have to buy it again? You telling me i just paid for 2 years of use unless i buy a new SL version. And if no SL version is planned you telling me I JUST PAID FOR 2 Years OF USE? All this is bull crap adn i will do everything in my power to spread this around to people. I am in the industry and I talk to many,, many people starting the industry everyday. Now when your name is brung up only greedy, watermarking, no UB knowing guys are whats is pictured and laughed at. Just drop mac support all together because doing this is just pissing people off. Drop mac support and dont pretend to support something you really dont want to support. Cause I get the impression you just dont give a dan about mac anymore. I WANT ANSWERS FOR SNOW LEOPARD!! I deserve that much cause i have paid. Its been 2 yaers. I hardly ever voice out or say bad things here or about you anywhere. But after 2 years I just cant be quite any longer so realize this letter is 2 years of frustration and feelings of being left out.
Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2009, 3:12pm

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The watermark is just in the demo, dude. You may have some justified points regarding UB, but repeatedly bringing up the watermark issue is just misinformed.
Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2009, 3:22pm

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Um, I'm the one that mentioned still using a PPC chip. No one from FXhome said anything about it. And since that post, I have moved to an Intel Mac myself. It sounds like some of your frustration is aimed at the posts I made in this thread, but I don't work for the company. I'm just a user, same as you.

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Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2009, 3:31pm

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You really think that FXhome benefits in any way from NOT having a Universal Binary video product? It is a great limiting factor on the sales opportunities we have for the products.

While I understand this might anger you the fact remains that virtually every issue you have raised is covered with these simple facts.

1) The current versions of our video software have NEVER claimed to be Universal Binary and we are very VERY clear about this. We have also never made claims the current software would become UB. We have only stated that we would move to UB when the move became possible (like we did with our photography products).

2) We provide FULL FEATURED DEMOS of our software to allow you to test the functionality and PERFORMANCE before you purchase. If you are not happy with the product, for whatever reason, then don't buy it. Still, we are very open to feedback about how the products can be improved.

If we could flick a switch and move the software to Universal Binary then this is something we would have done long ago. As it is, the core foundation application we used to create the software has only recently become Universal Binary. Unfortunately, nearly all of the core libraries from 3rd parties have not made the move because the market for the core application has pretty much disappeared (its late move to UB is part of the reason for this). It is quite simply IMPOSSIBLE to release the current software as Universal Binary.

This is not a happy situation for us either, but the current Lab software is a casualty of Apples move to Intel and it is NOT the only one!

Rest assured that any future video software we release on Mac will run native on Intel Mac systems and not rely on the same foundations. This is already the case with the PhotoKey series, which has run natively on Macs for several years.

P.S. What have we lied about and why is Rosetta overheating your computer? crazy

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Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2009, 3:38pm

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one more thing. The developer of Cheetah3D is a SINGLE PERSON. One person doing it all. A 3d app. Way more complicated than an effects app liek this one. Chetah3d has ray tracing, super fast renderer and great modeling tools. The point being thats its even UB. The developer puts out updates regularly and in version 5 has even promised PARTICLES. Its one of the best 3d modeling apps for mac out there fort the money. Very complex. Even he has went UB. And let me tell you, HES A ONE MAN TEAM. He is the only person developing Cheetah3d. TEH ONLY ONE. He does all updates and everything. He constantly releases updates and fixed it to UB over a year or 2 ago. If a one man team can make one of the best 3d modeling apps for the mac out there than i cant understand why a team of people are so stuck on this. If 3rd party developers are holding back production than you need to seriously reconsider who and what you use for help. What company would put its upgrade policy in the hands of 3rd party? One that dont really care, thats what kind.
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Ok now you're just deliberately not listening.
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FXhomer26682 wrote:

If 3rd party developers are holding back production than you need to seriously reconsider who and what you use for help.
We already have. That's why the PhotoKey products are all Universal Binary.
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Some applications could be ported to UB in literally seconds (which Apple took great pleasure in demonstrating) while others took years, and sometimes a couple of versions, to make the jump (Adobe software).

One core application we used to develop the software has only just made the move, while the other has been discontinued (codewarrior), and most of the libraries built in that application have also been discontinued.

For every example of how easy it is to port software there are many counter examples, and examples where the software was simply discontinued. Please note that just because software creates 3D doesn't make it more complex, video algorithms and effects are often just as complicated as 3D rendering. Even an application like Excel (another late mover to UB) could easily be much more complex to make than a 3D application.

You should also note that EVERY video application has to rely on 3rd party libraries as there are hundreds of standard formats you have to support. If you were to try to program support for these internally you would need a team of hundreds of coders. Even Adobe and Apple use 3rd party libraries in these cases.

The key issue is that the core foundation we used for the software died rather unexpectedly on the Mac when the move to UB failed to materialise within a respectable time frame - thousands of developers, including FXhome, were enraged by this issue but our calls for information fell on deaf ears.

As Tarn has already said, we've moved away from our old development environment which is why our PhotoKey products are Universal Binary. Our future video software will be Intel native, but nothing can be done about the current Lab software. Sorry.

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Posted: Thu, 26th Feb 2009, 3:58pm

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schwar wrote:


Our future video software will be Intel native, but nothing can be done about the current Lab software. Sorry.
While I've always understood the technical reasons for there never being a UB of the Lab software as a customer, one that's been with the company since the start, it's frustrating.

As a Mac user that has stuck with the company since the days of AlamDV long past I hope that when the future video product is released that we folk, whom arguable the company was partially built on, will get a big fat discount on it.

On a lighter note is there any word on when the "future" product is due for release?
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I'm a Mac user myself, since the very first days of the Mac, so I understand the frustration. We have been hugely disappointed by the company who produces the software we used to use, but we are on the right track now.

As always, we will give hefty discounts to users of our current software when the new product(s) appears.
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schwar wrote:

I'm a Mac user myself, since the very first days of the Mac, so I understand the frustration. We have been hugely disappointed by the company who produces the software we used to use, but we are on the right track now.

As always, we will give hefty discounts to users of our current software when the new product(s) appears.
Fair enough. I understand.

Your post fills me with hope. And some other emotions that are weird and deeply confusing. wink

Name that quote.

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