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Acclaimed Director, Clint Eastwood, tragically dies...

Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 3:37pm

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On April 1st, 2007 Clint Eastwood died in his Santa Monica home after overnight heart complications. He was 74. Full story here.

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All hail Atom: King of Comedy. Lame.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 4:06pm

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Obviously Atom represents the size of his brain.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 4:36pm

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Death isn't really funny...
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Meh, nice try Atom. Maybe you'll get it right next year.
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mVPstar wrote:

Death isn't really funny...
Actually, what I really meant to say was that you can make someone's death funny by distorting the reasons for death or setting up some sort of irony.

But just mentioning someone died is stupid.


My 2 cents.


On another note, it would be nice if on these "special days" that we celebrated the days for what they really are rather than what society has made them to be. What exactly does prancing around setting up practical jokes on people accomplish?

On a purely side note, Atom, you just love getting negative ratings don't you? Why not try adding some signal and less noise?

Why are you still reading these small notes?
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You posted it after 12, therefore you are the April fool.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 5:22pm

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mVPstar wrote:

Why are you still reading these small notes?
Hehe, all I do is click on "Quote" to see everything in glorious 12-point size.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 5:25pm

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Ther fact that someone recommended this thread is the real joke.
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I'm wondering if it's petty grudges and wanting to "be in the right" that makes these negative ratings rise. Because evidently, last year this was a riot....

But, I guess it's just easier to be an ass, of sorts, about it all.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 5:50pm

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Well you've hit the nail on the head yourself there. It's exactly the same joke as last year (albeit not as well executed) and that's one reason why it's not funny. You don't always need to come riding in to one another's rescue guys, I;m sure you boys are big enough to take it yourself. It's not funny, get over it.
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Clint Eastwood is my hero, and I seriously almost threw up when I read that.

But you got me. April fools. Not exactly funny (but april fools isn't about funny, just pranks), but I don't think people should be so up in arms. It's april fools.
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ben3308 wrote:

I'm wondering if it's petty grudges and wanting to "be in the right" that makes these negative ratings rise. Because evidently, last year this was a riot....

But, I guess it's just easier to be an ass, of sorts, about it all.
Interesting and valid point you have there.
Just wondering what might have caused people not to find this funny.

Maybe Steve Irwins death?
Maybe Sadam hanging?
Maybe as you say it's a grudge?
Maybe the people on here are a year old and have grown up?

I'd be interested to see the reasons why.
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No one likes this simply because it's been done before.

You actually almost got me, but I had actually just done something in Date & Time, so April Fool's was in the front of my mind.
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Rawree wrote:

It's exactly the same joke as last year (albeit not as well executed) and that's one reason why it's not funny.
99% of people would not have the answer if you were asked "hey name an april fools joke from last year".

b4uask30male wrote:

I'd be interested to see the reasons why.
Yes it would.

Alot of people go against Atom and Ben (usually because they provoke it by shooting down critisism or whatnot), but in this case..... they're right. I think ben put everyone in their place with that link from a year ago. i'd +1 if I could - that got me good lol. (all my personal opinions of course, and no doubt others will disagree)

-MAGIC
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Magic_man12 wrote:

Rawree wrote:

It's exactly the same joke as last year (albeit not as well executed) and that's one reason why it's not funny.
99% of people would not have the answer if you were asked "hey name an april fools joke from last year".
-MAGIC
I couldn't remember the director who was said to have died last year but I immediately remembered the same sort of thread having been posted last year. As with you it was just my personal opinion and I can't say why other people reacted like this to it.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 6:43pm

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OMG!! NO WAY. HE DIED!! THAT LIKE TOTALLY SUX!!

Oh.. it's a lame april fools prank..

Jokes on me guys!



Oh, and I'm wondering why Atom got a -9. It's a silly prank.
really.. the -1s are almost as immature as the joke..

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I think it was Spielberg, last year.
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Yeah i bet u no how it feels atom. No one can forget the time u down rated everyone on the form and got everyone mad and used(it wasent u) as a excuse
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 7:08pm

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b4uask30male wrote:


Interesting and valid point you have there.
Just wondering what might have caused people not to find this funny.
It was poorly executed. Clint Eastwood dies...I'm supposed to find that funny?

Last year's Spielberg dies prank was funny to me because it was the first time I saw it here, so it was unexpected. Thus, I walked into it totally believing it.

This "prank" just states Clint Eastwood died of "heart complications" and shows a picture of him. He basically writes as if he were writing his obituary in some drastic attempt to sound authentic. Yet, he cut it short to one sentence, which results in a half-baked portrayal of what he's trying to communicate to us.

He could have at least wrote more about the funeral or what his family is planning to do with all his money or something else. But, he insteal curtailed the joke to just a clever thread title, a one sentence description of the death, a picture, and a link to a "April Fools! image."

It was practically the same prank, if not less of it.

Perhaps if you had invented something a bit more witty, I would have found this funny.
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b4uask30male wrote:



I'd be interested to see the reasons why.
It's because Atom posted it.
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The real question Ben needs to ask himself if whether the same people last year voted on this one. I know I didnt vote last year, but would have given a negative rating if I had.
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Klausky wrote:

The real question Ben needs to ask himself if whether the same people last year voted on this one. I know I didnt vote last year, but would have given a negative rating if I had.
Who said anything about voting? I don't think you fully understand the rating system...

As for this thread: not exactly funny. But for some reason I thought it was true as I clicked on it. I've always wanted something (not something tragic like this) crazy to happen on April Fools day and no one believes it. Maybe this topic is an April Fools joke as an April Fools joke and something actually very witty is about to happen.
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I don't have that big of a deal, I just find grudges and negative sentiments towards people ridiculous, especially when there is denial they exist.

So you're -1ing someone for being lame? On April Fools Day, when pranks, not jokes, take precedence?

You've gotta be kidding me. Lighten up.
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So Atom can make a post about clint eastwood dieing from heart failure but I cannot make a post about them dying from inflated egos. Way to go FXHOME mods. You guys seriously suck.
Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 8:10pm

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Well, not all April fools jokes fly. You guys got me at least. But hey, I've had sucky pranks before.
For instance, my family is angry at me because this year's prank wasted all the ketchup. I thought it was a worthy cause at least...
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He's been -1'd because people recommend the post be skipped by other users, whether that's because they think it's in poor taste or is just not worth reading should be considered on a user by user basis. Stop insisting that it's down to some kind of mass vendetta and accept that it's lame (if it was a grudge then everything either of you said would be rated down in this manner).
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April fools day seems to have gotten totally out of hand this year. Its not supposed to just be a lame obvious lie. For all of those websites and not just this one, if you can't do it properly then don't even bother.

Plus if you are so certain that everyone has a grudge against you two maybe you should ask yourselves why?
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I don't really get all the negative ratings, it's just a joke that some people don't find funny, I saw this thread after seeing Google's and Ebay's April fools jokes so I knew it was a fake, but really, down rating it's a bit harsh, some people need to chill out.
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King Rhymes wrote:

So Atom can make a post about clint eastwood dieing from heart failure but I cannot make a post about them dying from inflated egos. Way to go FXHOME mods. You guys seriously suck.
Did you seriously expect it not to be deleted? They may be annoying at times but you can't go around insulting people.
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This post fooled the hell out of me, honestly my felt like my heart and stomach dropped. So I say, Well Played to u a all hah.

And to everyone else whinning and crying about how it wasnt funny. Take the sticks out your asses and lighten the hell up.. Are u serious?? I have never seen people get sooo angry/annoyed over a joke that didnt make them laugh (Especially when April fools jokes arent exactly based on making people laugh). I think the fact that youre angry means that you fell harder for the joke then anyone else.

Its one thing to freak someone out from a joke on April Fools but its another thing to freak someone out and then incite anger haha. And if you all who are angry are thinking "He didnt freak me out! He didnt get me!" Then why waste your time with anger in this thread?

It was a joke, if it didnt make you laugh, you dont have to waste your time telling everyone in anger, how it didnt. Could you imagin people waiting outside a comedy club after a free show and b!tchin out the comedian on how that one joke didnt make them laugh?
(No Michael Richards does not count)

Anyways, again, well played, you got me, goal accomplished.

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King Rhymes wrote:

So Atom can make a post about clint eastwood dieing from heart failure but I cannot make a post about them dying from inflated egos. Way to go FXHOME mods. You guys seriously suck.
The difference between the two topics comes down to agenda, and the overall nature of the post. Firstly, a post with such a tone as yours had, King Rhymes, could be perceived as an attack or seen as purposely intending to be malicious to the other.

Atom's post appeared to be an attempt at a harmless joke, trying to be in the spirit of the day. It is a post that everyone could be seen enjoying, and is not directed towards alienating a member of community.

It is the goal of the moderators to not allow any members to feel singled out or attacked, in any way, on these forums. That was the motivation behind the removal of the topic. The decision was not made under any personal bias.

We, as moderators, are not obligated to explain our actions, however I am firm believer in others understanding why something has happened, so that they do not make the same mistake.

In regards to the negative ratings, issues with a rating of one of your posts should be brought to a moderators attention, away from an open discussion on the forums. As you can see, discussing the matter here does not serve to benefit the topic.

As for whether or not these ratings are justified, this can be hard to determine, especially when it concerns General Chat. Generally a rating should be given if a post is of a helpful or disruptive nature. Agreeing or disagreeing with a post does not warrant a rating. Naturally, this will have an impact on your decision to do so, but a rating should not be given solely for this reason.

This ideal has been skewed over the years by positive ratings being given when a member finds something amusing. Equally so, we are now finding members giving negative ratings when they find something is not amusing. In this case, I can't say if the negative ratings are a result of a grudge, but they are a misuse of the system.

Negative ratings, as Rawree said, are to be use to suggest that one skip a post. However, this is to be used when a post is found to detract from the topic or is insulting/belligerent. When dealing with a topic in the general chat forum, one should rate mostly according to the second criteria (insulting, belligerent, etc), as there are not likely to be many useful or constructive topics, at least not in the same respect as the other forums.

This is not to say that positive ratings do not have their place in the general chat forum. For instance, one may find a useful resource that you have been unable to find or did not know about, this would warrant a positive rating. Finding something humorous does not.

With that said, the ratings provided in this topic are to be removed. This is not to detract from everyone’s right to rate a topic, or an attempt to prevent anyone from having an opinion, but rather to clear the air. With any luck, misunderstandings and misuses of the rating system will less frequently occur.

Rate wisely.
Wizard.

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Posted: Sun, 1st Apr 2007, 9:31pm

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jgtrox2 wrote:

Yeah i bet u no how it feels atom. No one can forget the time u down rated everyone on the form and got everyone mad and used(it wasent u) as a excuse
Uhm, didn't You abuse the rating system by going on a unnecessary -1 streak? So why would you criticize him for something you did too? You mind as well be thrown in jail for murder and start lecturing everyone for what they did wrong. That's called hypocrisy.
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Every single one of Atom or Ben's threads are hilarious to watch because of the automatic negative responses they receive.

I used to do the same thing most people on here are doing, but I realized it's stupid and petty to hold such long standing grudges. And its even stupider to try to hide these grudges behind some other stupid reason ("omGz UR s0 nawt FuNNi cauz u copied frum la$t year!1"). Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one's buying it.

If this exact same thread were posted by any of the FXHome staff, any of the mods, or other respected members on this forum, I can guarantee they wouldn't get any negative crap about it, so grow up.
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I don't mean to jump onto a bandwagon here but I agree with CX3, Wizard and Evman's posts. Whatever Ben or Atom post doesn't automatically equal negative treatment (and I'm not talking about ratings). So give them a clean slate, otherwise everything turns into a vicious circle.

Newer people in the forums are going to pick up on any negativity between members and might shape their future responses to these members negatively as a result. That doesn't help, it just exacerbates things and doesn't allow people to change if they're constantly facing antagonism.
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If it matters, Atom really fooled me, and I thought it was funny he did.

First and only time I got fooled this day. That's worth a 1+ if you ask me. smile
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Haha, I wish I wasn't looking for April fools jokes when i came upon this smile


Would've tricked me otherwise! I feel bad for any famous person that DOES die on April Fools day. As soon as someone posts about it here everyone would just start throwin flames wink
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Evman wrote:

Every single one of Atom or Ben's threads are hilarious to watch because of the automatic negative responses they receive.

I used to do the same thing most people on here are doing, but I realized it's stupid and petty to hold such long standing grudges. And its even stupider to try to hide these grudges behind some other stupid reason ("omGz UR s0 nawt FuNNi cauz u copied frum la$t year!1"). Sorry to burst your bubble, but no one's buying it.

If this exact same thread were posted by any of the FXHome staff, any of the mods, or other respected members on this forum, I can guarantee they wouldn't get any negative crap about it, so grow up.
High five, dude. I'm giving you force for that one.


Oh, and jgtrox, they took away Atom's -1 button when he used it to rate down 30 of my posts consecutively for no reason (which is also why I have so many -1s to my credit smile ) So since 2004, he can't -1 anything; hence your conclusions are wrong about unjust negatives from his end.

Just wanted to throw that out there.

Aaaaanyhow, even when he was typing his post up, and I came into the room, I was fooled for about an hour before I reliazed it was April Fools Day. Tricked me. biggrin
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Holy hell! What happened to this thread? I'm gone and all the fun misses me.
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OK lets steer this in a more constructive direction. Other than this anyone else been pranked/pranked someone else?

My girlfriends best friend told me she had feelings for me before I realized what day it was, scared the hell out of me.

I then proceeded to convince a friend of mine that I was gay and I thought I was falling for him. wink
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Evman wrote:

If this exact same thread were posted by any of the FXHome staff, any of the mods, or other respected members on this forum, I can guarantee they wouldn't get any negative crap about it, so grow up.
Naturally there wouldn't be anything wrong, because not only is there somewhat of a fanboyish userbase here (just look at the FXhome staff movies in the cinema), there's also a tad bit of censorship, which is usually done reasonably, seeing as they need to sell software and can't have users saying bad stuff about aforementioned software. I'd be willing to bet that this post is deleted too. FXhome staff and Atom are apples and oranges, they can't really be compared like you do. Anyway...


Atom, Ben: you guys should make more movies and post more topics, because every time you do, there's always an ensuing argument that's simply priceless. Kudos for that.
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I thought Rawree coming back on FXHome was going to be a good thing. Guess I was fooled, eh buddy? wink

On a more serious note, my huge-time pranking friends threatened a mighty large prank on April Fool's Day. These are the guys that attacked Ben in a chicken suit and threw fried chicken at him as a Halloween prank. (HILARIOUS, might I add) Needless to say, I've been on-edge all day and nothing has happened.

The psychological prank, you never expect it.

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So I read the title and I was like, ha April Fools.

Because honestly what are the chances that he would die on April Fools day? 1 out of 365.
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Multiwagon wrote:

OK lets steer this in a more constructive direction.

TimmyD wrote:

Atom, Ben: you guys should make more movies and post more topics, because every time you do, there's always an ensuing argument that's simply priceless. Kudos for that.
I've stayed completely out of my own topic because of instigating stuff like this, Tim, and it only got worse. What does that tell you. Either way, perhaps it would be advisable to act more mature than you're childish "Timmy" name gives off and listen to previous posters.

And yes, Gnome, what are the odds? Still glad I got you, though. smile

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Atom wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

Atom, Ben: you guys should make more movies and post more topics, because every time you do, there's always an ensuing argument that's simply priceless. Kudos for that.
I've stayed completely out of my own topic because of instigating stuff like this, Tim, and it only got worse. What does that tell you. Either way, perhaps it would be advisable to act more mature than you're childish "Timmy" name gives off and listen to previous posters.
MUST... CONTROL... URGE... TO FLAME...
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Don't say you're doing it, just do it. I have today, and it's not that hard. No, really.
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Atom wrote:

Multiwagon wrote:

OK lets steer this in a more constructive direction.

TimmyD wrote:

Atom, Ben: you guys should make more movies and post more topics, because every time you do, there's always an ensuing argument that's simply priceless. Kudos for that.
I've stayed completely out of my own topic because of instigating stuff like this, Tim, and it only got worse. What does that tell you. Either way, perhaps it would be advisable to act more mature than you're childish "Timmy" name gives off and listen to previous posters.
If I were you I'd sit back and enjoy the fact that the same community you claim singles you out for negativity stands up to protect you when you are being wronged. The mods are always watching. Always. wink

With this in mind, remember that continuing an uncalled for Agenda against any forum member simply because they have a imperfect reputation is really only a quick way to sour your own.

-Hybrid.
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Atom wrote:

I thought Rawree coming back on FXHome was going to be a good thing. Guess I was fooled, eh buddy? wink
I've never tried to make any secret of the fact that I'm a dick a fair amount of the time. I apologise for the way in which I've come across to you, I didn't mean this as a personal attack and, although it's pointless to argue that I didn't as some people have already decided what the intentions of other people were, I don't see how I would have formed this grudge what with my absence through all the drama that seems to have occured to encourage these rocky relations. I will also make no secret of the fact that, along with hallowe'en and Comic Relief, I have a stong dislike for April Fools day for whatever reason. For the record I wouldn't have found this any more convincing or funny no matter who posted it. Better luck next year and no hard feelings I hope? Lets make love. smile

Interestingly though given that I hate April Fools I'm told that I nearly drove a mate of mine to seriously assaulting me due to my winding him up at a party the other day oh and once told my girlfriend that I was adopted just to see what the reaction would be. I R teh attentionwhore. biggrin
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There is definitely a double standard from the mods, and if fxhome cannot control their own mods then business will be lost. You've already lost one copy of visionlab. So long fxhome. I hope you enjoy mediocre teenagers flaming your forums and scaring off business. So long.
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The best prank of all would be to prank someone on April SECOND! That way no one would expect it.
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Wow are you guys serious? This is a 4 page thread about how this april fools prank was not funny. Have you guys run out of things to talk about around here?
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No, just people to target.
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Now what would have been funny is if you had come out and said that you were gay. I would have laughed all day...Even if I remembered it was april fools....
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Not appropriate, though, man. One, because I'm not and wouldn't make a fool of myself, and two because that's derogatory to actual homosexuals.

Don't worry, I'll find another funny thing. wink (Why don't you get your boy Aaron to jump back on FXHome speaking in ALL Japanese. THAT would be hilarious!)
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but its april fools! o well...........But as far as making a fool of your self. Well I'm not saying i agree with this but, if you read this thread, most people feel you do that alot? Maybe thats why you have so many negative ratings? I dunno. But I actually like you atom. It's better to have lots of negative ratings because you say what you think whether it goes along with what others think or not. But I can't stand when people automatically agree with everyone just so there reputation will rise.

Most of the time you are helpful, when asked for assistance, and thats where I think this forums true worth lies. anyways enough of my motivational speech.

As for aaron. I wish he could get on here...But there are strict internet laws when your on a mission. You have limited time to use the internet and you are only aloud to write emails to direct family. So your going to have to wait for a little less than two years for aaron! Oh, and he's not my "boy" I didn't say I was gay........
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I kinda suspected it was a joke before I clicked the link, but to be honest I wouldnt be that suprised if it were true.
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i dont like to fuel these things but i thought i would, just once lol.


ssj john wrote:

Now what would have been funny is if you had come out and said that you were gay. I would have laughed all day...Even if I remembered it was april fools....

Atom wrote:

Not appropriate, though, man. One, because I'm not and wouldn't make a fool of myself, and two because that's derogatory to actual homosexuals.

Atom wrote:

One, because I'm not
so does that mean that Clint Eastwood is really dead?

Atom wrote:

wouldn't make a fool of myself
does that mean that pretending your gay for a day will be making a fool of yourself? if not how is saying Clint Eastwood is dead making a fool of youself?

Atom wrote:

that's derogatory to actual homosexuals.
i cant speak for homosexuals but a few of my friends are and none would find that derogatory. Would a gay person saying their straight on april fools offend you?

and finally how is pretending someones dead (who is a stranger to you) better then you pretending your gay for a day.

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Atom wrote:

One, because I'm not and wouldn't make a fool of myself, and two because that's derogatory to actual homosexuals.
Besides that, isn't saying that by acting like a homosexual, you would be making a fool of yourself derpgatory to Homosexuals? Making a fool of yourself implies that you think that it would hurt your reputation because homosexuality is looked down upon. Thus being derogatory while trying not to be.

I didn't mean act gay, so that in the end you can say april fools and put homosexuality down. I'll admit, if I found out that one of my friends that I thought was straight turned out to be gay. I'd be shocked and i would probly laugh for days when they cracked the news to me that it was april fools. It's just like saying your a vegetarian. I would feel the same way if a gay friend said that they were straight......
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Looks like you can't do a nice trip to Zurich for a NightCast premiere without something hitting the fan. smile

First off, nothing wrong with Atom's April Fool, if you ask me. There does seem to be some grudge-type behaviour going on, which has no place on FXhome. Check out Wizard's excellent post for insight into how the ratings system should be used.

TimmyD wrote:

Naturally there wouldn't be anything wrong, because not only is there somewhat of a fanboyish userbase here (just look at the FXhome staff movies in the cinema)
Which movies? None of us have submitted movies for ages, and the ones we have done are mostly quite low in the charts (justifiably so). If you're referring to Get Lost, then it's a moot point as it was made by other people. It's popular due to a) being rather amusing and b) its connection to a massive hit show. It's nothing to do with me being the person to submit it.

I'm a little lost as to what you meant, I'm afraid!

there's also a tad bit of censorship, which is usually done reasonably, seeing as they need to sell software and can't have users saying bad stuff about aforementioned software.
On the contrary, we rarely remove or overtly censor stuff to do with the software or company. Negative comments on those topics we approach very seriously, and usually leave on the forum and respond to, as well as taking a look at our practises to see if we can do better.

The fact that you can't find much negative stuff about us on FXhome.com isn't due to censorship, Timmy, it's due to people being mainly satisfied with the products and services.

I'd be willing to bet that this post is deleted too.
Again, not sure why, really. The only posts that get deleted are the outright rude or insulting ones, which have no place here or anywhere else.

MUST... CONTROL... URGE... TO FLAME...
I think that says it all, really.

King Rhymes wrote:

There is definitely a double standard from the mods
If you have any evidence of this, please contact us at team@fxhome.com and we'll deal with it. However, I'm unaware of such a double-standard and we haven't had any complaints from anybody else on the matter.

if fxhome cannot control their own mods then business will be lost. You've already lost one copy of visionlab. So long fxhome.
Could you explain what exactly the problem is? Is your main complaint that your topic was deleted? A topic that's main purpose was to insult Atom and Ben? As Kid said - how could you expect that to not be deleted? It was simply unpleasant and rude behaviour that wouldn't be tolerated in any civilised gathering of people.

Or are you complaining about another issue I'm unaware of? I have to admit I'm a little confused as to why you're upset. The mods' conduct, particularly Wizard's, seems to have been exemplary in this particular topic, as far as I can tell.

I hope you enjoy mediocre teenagers flaming your forums and scaring off business. So long.
I see exactly the opposite - the fantastic community here has attracted many people both to the forums and to our products. I've lost count of the number of customers that have praised the friendly community spirit here. Sure, there's the occasional tiff, but that's inevitable in any large gathering of people.

This weekend we were in Zurich and had the pleasure of meeting Sollthar, er-no, Redhawk, Xcession, Ashman and Laryk, many of whom I hadn't met before, and all of whom reinforced my belief that the FXhome community is a fantastic place full of brilliant and diverse people.

I simply can't perceive the negative picture that you're portraying, King Rhymes. As I said above, though, we're always willing to look at areas to be improved, so drop us a line if you have a genuine complaint.

Otherwise, I can't wait to meet more of you guys at your future movie premieres!

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In the words of Eric Cartman, "Weak. Totally lame."
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I totally agree with Tarn about this post and its validity as an April Fool. I also second that its worth reading Wizard's excellent post.

King Rhymes...

Our moderators do a fantastic job. Your post was correctly removed as its main purpose was to insult Atom and Ben, both members of this community unlike Clint Eastwood. Directly attacking their personality as the sole focus of a post would never be tolerated here no matter who posts it.

We have heavily moderated Atom and Ben in the past for various reasons, so to suggest double-standards is just absurd.
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While we're talking about April Fools, you simply can't beat malone's from a few years ago, which actually went up as a news post...

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9643#9643
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Bugclimber wrote:

Haha, I wish I wasn't looking for April fools jokes when i came upon this smile


Would've tricked me otherwise! I feel bad for any famous person that DOES die on April Fools day. As soon as someone posts about it here everyone would just start throwin flames wink
The Queen Mother died on April fools day, lots of people thought it was a joke.
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@ Tarn: I don't have anything against FXhome, at all, but I've found that on occasions there's been some stuff going on that I just don't like. I specifically remember one post in which I said something about one of the Lab products being very slow on my Mac, which was deleted.

As for the movies, I seem to have a different take on them than the rest of the people here or something, because for instance, the Project One trailer, I thought, was kinda lame (no offense to er-no, hybrid). It seemed to be one of those cases where one person sees a good rating and sees a movie by a respected member of the community and just joins in for the sake of it. It's probably just me, but that's how I've seen things happen in the past.

Regards,
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I think that the moderators do an excellent job on the FX Home forums. They allow us all a pretty free reign while making sure that the discussions don't dissolve into anarchy and insults.

I think some people have got far too upset about the nature of this post. I come to the forums to increase my knowledge as a film maker and user of the FX Home programs. I am also happy to help other film makers and FX Home users where I can - one of the few advantages of being old is experience.

Every now and then you get a thread which seems a little pointless and perhaps arises from some of the less mature FX Homers. I just ignore those posts, it's not a big deal. It's a small price to pay for the community that exists here and it would be a pretty dull group if there weren't a few members here who rattle our cages from time to time.

For what it's worth, I didn't actually think that the original post was funny so for me it wasn't a good April Fool. Yes, I'm sure it fooled a lot of people but for me an April Fool should make you laugh when you find out it is a joke. I didn't laugh, I was just relieved that we hadn't lost a great film maker.
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TimmyD wrote:

As for the movies, I seem to have a different take on them than the rest of the people here or something, because for instance, the Project One trailer, I thought, was kinda lame (no offense to er-no, hybrid). It seemed to be one of those cases where one person sees a good rating and sees a movie by a respected member of the community and just joins in for the sake of it.
I think there are definitely instances where this kind of voting occurs. Though realistically 79 people are not going to give something an average high rating if it is simply no good. Most of my submissions haven't been huge successes simply because they are not of a high quality.

It's fine to have an opinion that contrasts a majority, simply because it's not a widely held one doesn't make it any less important - just make sure that your opinion of a cinema submission is not affected by who directed it, or how others have voted, be that either positively or negatively and we'll all be happy.

(And none taken).

As for the mods, I believe they do an excellent job. They are kings among men. Knights in this bastion of awesomeness. wink

-Hybrid.

*Tags er-no then steps out of the ring*

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TimmyD wrote:


As for the movies, I seem to have a different take on them than the rest of the people here or something, because for instance, the Project One trailer, I thought, was kinda lame (no offense to er-no, hybrid). It seemed to be one of those cases where one person sees a good rating and sees a movie by a respected member of the community and just joins in for the sake of it. It's probably just me, but that's how I've seen things happen in the past.
Offence taken Timmy. I feel it doesn't seem to be one of those cases at all, with industry editors and professionals, as well as the numerous votes it has received here at fxhome telling me otherwise, and not through 'copycat voting'. I think in this case it is therefore just you.
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TimmyD wrote:

the Project One trailer, I thought, was kinda lame
I don't have any vested interest in the movie and I don't know the makers. However I did buy the dvd of the twenty minute version of the film last year (as much as anything so I could see what the FX Home programs can do). I thought it was great and my 12 year old son was inspired by it too.

I think the trailer captures the essence of the movie (though I'm not sure about the tag line "All projects...go wrong").
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petet2 wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

the Project One trailer, I thought, was kinda lame
I don't have any vested interest in the movie and I don't know the makers. However I did buy the dvd of the twenty minute version of the film last year (as much as anything so I could see what the FX Home programs can do). I thought it was great and my 12 year old son was inspired by it too.

I think the trailer captures the essence of the movie (though I'm not sure about the tag line "All projects...go wrong").
...the... ending...? wink

Not that we want to give it away for people who haven't seen the full short film yet! smile
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I actually think that tag line was a bit skew wiff too, in all honesty.

Plenty of projects go fine. Or at least too many to warrant "All projects go wrong". Perhaps "Some Projects" would have worked better. In any case, I don't remember the tag line being used in the actual movie at all. Whew smile

-Hybrid.
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Yes that was my point really, some projects do go ok.

Only a minor point though.
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petet2 wrote:

Yes that was my point really, some projects do go ok.

Only a minor point though.
All projects go wrong!

twisted
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Don't say that, I'm hoping to get my latest project finished over the Easter weekend and it's going ok at the moment... wink
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er-no, if it's any credit to Timmy's case, I've shown the P1 teaser to many, many of my friends, and they all say "that looks gay!" but then they see some clips in the fxhome tutorials and such and they want to buy the DVD.

So no disrespect to the movie, but the teaser is seriously lacking the intensity it needs, IMO. Again, not trying to rag on you, as I'm sure it's a quality production, but the teaser was underwhelming to alot of people I showed it to. (On my Zune, nontheless! smile )
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ben3308 wrote:

(On my Zune, nontheless! smile )
Well that's the problem...
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I have a confession. I only said I liked Project One because I wanted to be cool, and I have a serious problem pertaining to how much I want people to like me.
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ben3308 wrote:
(On my Zune, nontheless! )


Well that's the problem...
I know we just had a clarification on how to use the rating system and how not to use it..


But I really want to give Timmy a +1 for that comment...
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I should probably also clarify that er-no isn't even on the FXhome staff. He's a beta tester, sure, but so are a lot of people. I can't see anybody being influenced on their movie vote simply because he's a beta tester.

I think maybe some people are looking at things backwards: er-no is a prominent and popular member of this website because of his contributions to it (with his movies, helpful technical tips etc) - not the other way around.

As for specifics such as the Project One trailer, that's just a matter of personal taste. But just because it doesn't work for some people such as TimmyD and Ben's "that was gay!" mates doesn't mean that all the people that do like it are working to some kind of biased, populist agenda.

It simply means they had a different opinion. That's all there is to it, there's no conspiracy. razz
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That's all there is to it, there's no conspiracy.
Or is there??????

razz
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This thread is getting more and more of an april 1st joke that actually works. Even though it's too late. smile
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Sollthar wrote:

This thread is getting more and more of an april 1st joke that actually works. Even though it's too late. smile
Maybe we're just building up to something BIG for next year!
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Just to close this from my side of things.

Ben, I'm flattered you would download and place the trailer on your Zune. If your mates think guns and action are gay, then so be it. I'm glad they found the use of clips from Project One interesting in the tutorial section of the site. I mean, as far as gay projects go, perhaps you and your mates need look at you and your brothers 'barbie' and alike submissions.

I don't mind people having their opinion, I just felt I should defend Timmy's comment of mass swayed voting. These other comments, if you've got something to say about the teaser, put it in the teaser thread and I'll happily agree/disagree on points.
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TimmyD wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

(On my Zune, nontheless! smile )
Well that's the problem...
Yeah! It's has a bigger screen, it's scratch resistant, and can take tons of different formats! God! What's wrong with that thing?!
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Kyal wrote:

TimmyD wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

(On my Zune, nontheless! smile )
Well that's the problem...
Yeah! It's has a bigger screen, it's scratch resistant, and can take tons of different formats! God! What's wrong with that thing?!
It's still like watching a movie on the back of a postage stamp - That's the problem. I've found that anything will lose much of it's dramatic effect when being played on a portable player.

-Hybrid.
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schwar wrote:

Your post was correctly removed as its main purpose was to insult Atom and Ben, both members of this community unlike Clint Eastwood.
How can you really be sure I'm not Clint Eastwood?
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Darth Penguin wrote:

schwar wrote:

Your post was correctly removed as its main purpose was to insult Atom and Ben, both members of this community unlike Clint Eastwood.
How can you really be sure I'm not Clint Eastwood?
Clint Eastwood posts on this forum under that tag 'DirtyHarry69'.

You do not share the same IP as DirtyHarry69.

wink
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What the heck happened to this thread?

It started as an April Fools Prank which some people found funny while others did not (I did not find it funny and gave straightforward reasons why).

Then when Ben/Evman gave comments as to how the people who did not find the April Fools prank just had a grudge against Atom, this thread became a "everyone hates Atom, let's assume this and then complain about it."

Then sfbmovieco claimed that there existed a "double standard" amongst the moderators. This statement turned the thread into an attack against the moderators (okay, maybe attack is a bit too exaggerated).

And now, for some reason, we're talking about something totally unrelated...the Project One Trailer...


I don't get it. I don't come to these forums that often as I used to due to a massive amount of work (school work and my own projects as I've found an interest in web development and artificial intelligence). Maybe it's because I don't come here too often that I don't understand what could make people feel that criticism = "I hate Atom." (PS. He apparently has another thread, and on the surface, it does not look at all like anyone has a "grudge" against him)

Anyways, back to the April Fools prank...if it's not much of a prank-as in, if we all know it's supposed to be a prank so we are, consequently, suspecting of it from the very beginning-then it has to be funny. If it's not funny, then what exactly is the point of said prank.
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OK, here's my two sense. The whole thing with "its all about personal taste." I dont get....Personal taste doesnt deal with facts it deals with opinions. Personal taste is not a contrast on whether you think the director ACCOMPLISHED what HE wanted. But rather a contrast on whether YOU liked what the director ACCOMPLISHED. I know you pretty much summed this up tarn. But I'm just adding my thoughts on the topic. smile

As I watched Project one, knowing that it was a big project with very talented cast and crew I was to say the least....Let down. It didn't live up to the hype that had been expressed. One of the major issues for me is that....While I haven't seen it for a while, I don't remember anything at all about the story,or the characters or anything. All I really remember about it is guys walking around in black suits. There was just nothing in there that I was astounded by and thought about after watching it. And believe me there are fan films I've haven't watch for years that I still remember pretty vividly. It was all just a little cliche for me. Now its a good movie none the less, but its really nothing special in my opinion. I don't care if 40 other people disagree with me so don't bring that to your defense. But I would recommend this to anyone who likes action movie.

Also er-no you said to ben something along the lines "If your mates think guns and action are gay," That in a way sums up what I thought of this movie. Not that it was gay. Because I don't think that guns and action are gay. But it kinda feels like you just made this movie so you could have lots of guns and action and not so much story.

Now you ask, why did I give this review....Well I'm going to tie it all in here so hang in there.

While I realize this isn't the proper thread to be posting the review. I am doing so as an example. See I rate films on a more cinematic value rather that whether they have alot of cool good looking special effects. SW3 for example has lots of good special effects. But the actors suck and the story wasn't to impressing to me. Now I'm not saying that all movies with special effects have crappy story lines. Take 'stranger than fiction' for example. That movie was greatly enhanced by it's special effects. But my point here is, there is aaaaalllways a bias. You can't escape bias's. Who to say what makes a movie good? You give me any situation and I can tell you the bias.

But I do agree that sometimes people will vote unfairly. I might suggest that fxhome make it an option for you to vote anonymously if you want...Then people may be a little more honest.

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ssj john wrote:

But it kinda feels like you just made this movie so you could have lots of guns and action and not so much story.
I guess we'll have to refer to him as "Er-no Wachowski" from now on.

Just so you know, ssj john, your post is really hard to make cents of and seems more than a little irrelevent.
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If you want to talk about Project One, there's a place for that in it's own forum thread.

er-no wasn't defending Criticism of Project One, if you actually read his posts you'll see that he was defending fxhome users by saying that he thinks timmy is wrong when he said people popularity vote for lame movies - in the mentioned instance, Project One.

ssjjohn wrote:

I might suggest that fxhome make it an option for you to vote anonymously if you want...Then people may be a little more honest.
HAHAHAHAHAHHA.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

If you want to talk about Project One, there's a place for that in it's own forum thread.

er-no wasn't defending Criticism of Project One, if you actually read his posts you'll see that he was defending fxhome users by saying that he thinks timmy is wrong when he said people popularity vote for lame movies - in the mentioned instance, Project One.

-Hybrid.
This is the exact attitude I think people are talking about from the mods. Not to say this is rediculously harsh, but assuming I didn't read the post just because you don't agree with me, is simply ignorant and frustrating.
If your mates think guns and action are gay, then so be it.
I mean, as far as gay projects go, perhaps you and your mates need look at you and your brothers 'barbie' and alike submissions.
That sounds to me like he's defending project one....Yes he does go on to say that he's defending the mass swayed voting. But those two sentences clearly are in defense of someone calling project one gay. Then he goes on to try take a stab at ben and atom.

And to say that every single vote is not being influenced by anybody else is ignorant as well. It's there whether the fxhome staff chooses to see it or not. I'm guilty of rating certain peoples movies 1 star more than I would have, just because I liked them. And I'm positive I'm not alone. As much as possible though, I rate things as fairly as I can.
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If it's not funny, then what exactly is the point of said prank.
To make the person who pranked you laugh. Who cares how you feel.

EDIT: That wasnt too mean was it...?
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ssj john wrote:

I might suggest that fxhome make it an option for you to vote anonymously if you want...Then people may be a little more honest.
In my opinion if you're ashamed of your views enough to not want to voice them honestly unless you can do it anonomously you shouldn't be voicing them at all.

The delicious irony of these accusations of mod bias is that it's either untrue or, if it is true any evidence and accusations will be promptly removed by Hybrid Himmler and the rest of the FXHome fascist squad wink. Mmmm lose/lose.

The above does not represent the views of the poster and is simply an excuse to crowbar in the obligatory Nazi reference.
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CX3 wrote:

If it's not funny, then what exactly is the point of said prank.
To make the person who pranked you laugh. Who cares how you feel.
So, the point of the prank lies on a more personal, vengeful, level. And if that's the case, then, as you said, said prankster should not care how anyone else feels. He needs only to care how the person who pranks him feels.

And if that's the case....then, Why in blazes post said prank in a public forum?


Could have just e-mailed said prank to the original prankster that pranked you.
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Could have just e-mailed said prank to the original prankster that pranked you.
Who whats to go through all that work?
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This is the best thread ever.
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ssj john, I love you. I really do.



In other news...

Tarn wrote:

I think maybe some people are looking at things backwards: er-no is a prominent and popular member of this website because of his contributions to it (with his movies, helpful technical tips etc) - not the other way around.
IMO, dead wrong. The reason he's a prominent member is because he's in with the true FXhome staff; you guys are friends, you know each other, you've hung out, and by association he's popular, I think. Naturally, anyone that's in with the FXhome staff will be revered by most. Even if he became to be associated with you guys because of his contributions to the community, that's not why he's respected, at least not anymore. I think it's simply because of association.

TimmyD

Disclaimer: I may've been blunt or even politically incorrect in the above post, but I reserve the right to douse any flames directed towards me.
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Both of you have fair points, and I apologize if my attitude frustrates you. To some degree, I suppose the reactions are because both myself and er-no are most probably a little bit offended.

Popularity voting is always going to occur to some degree, whatever community you go to. It's pretty unstoppable, as in there is literally no way for it to be moderated. I never really stopped to think that a star rating in the fxhome cinema would be something worth causing a fuss about. The reason myself and er-no have released anything on fxhome wasn't to receive praise - but direction or criticism (which we received).

By now we are both well aware of where Project One succeeds and where it fails - and we're fine with that. Neither of us have ever said it was a flawless creation though I feel er-no was right to take offence, as I too feel that the majority of people voted without bias, and correctly. Compare Project One to crawling space or infact any no-budget action short and tell me it wasn't a giant leap and huge challenge for a young director. It's fine to have your opinions, but voicing them outside of the Project One thread is counter-productive as they will be lost amidst the forums. What isn't fine is pretty much stating that because a majority opinion does not coincide with your own, that it is incorrect.

We can't exactly apologize for being popular for spending our free time aiding the fxhome community and providing countless hours of technical support... Can we? I'd never really given the idea of being revered any thought as within the FXhome team there has never been the attitude of being anything above other FXhomers. What you would suggest we do exactly?

Something you need to remember is that the support we give at FXhome isn't a job for either me or er-no, it's something we do because we love film making and fxhome itself. The same reason you are here. I'd love for there to be a huge FXhome get together where some of you could meet all of us, as there really is no divide between us. We are all Fxhomers.

Jeez Timmy, wasn't I even helping you out with a website a while back?

-Hybrid the Hun
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

By now we are both well aware of where Project One succeeds and where it fails - and we're fine with that. Neither of us have ever said it was a flawless creation though I feel er-no was right to take offence, as I too feel that the majority of people voted without bias, and correctly. Compare Project One to crawling space or infact any no-budget action short and tell me it wasn't a giant leap and huge challenge for a young director.
Not to exacerbate the situation, but I talked to Timmy for a few hours yesterday and I think you guys are both missing the distinction between Project One the movie and the Project One Teaser Trailer. This same thing happened with JohnCarter on his Painkiller trailer thread. It's easy to see why you, just as I, have taken offense to someone berating your project, and you are therefore overly defensive; in this case on the wrong points.

The teaser isn't great, but we're all sure the movie is. I don't think any of the comments directed at P1 are for the movie; rather, they address the faults and "popularity-voting" of the trailer, which is obvious on the trailer.

I also don't think there's any contest that industry professionals and all your mates have praised Project One, but I think what's irking Timmy is that you're failing to realize the popularity voting in regard to the teaser.

That's just my take on the whole thing. Take example from the people who got mad at JohnCarter, and realize maybe you're not preaching to the choir by incessantly defending the teaser.

(Please note, I don't feel that negatively towards P1, and am in no way stating that I myself don't incessantly defend my work; but from experience in doing so, I've learned it's sometimes better to refrain)
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No I agree Hybrid Halo. The mods do, do a fair job. And you guys definently deserve recognition for the stuff you supply to this community. It has without a doubt been enhanced greatly by you guys. All I care is, that you guys (fxhome staff and mods) acknowledge that the abuse is there, even if it is a very very small tiny fraction of the time. MY frustration comes when tarn or schwar or any other staff member writes the former off as not possible. This is a great community but it is not perfect........yet. Muahahahahaha!

I hate getting into these discussions, and I'm always hitting myself in the head afterwards thinking 'why did I have to even say anything'

But really, I probly do have more respect for some of the mods than I do some of the other fxhomers. Mostly because the all the mods have been here since I started at fxhome and have been around since, and I have had many conversation's with them. But my respect i have has nothing to do with the sole reason any of you are mod's.

We have our agreements and disagreements but in the end like Hybrid himmler....errrrr halo said! We are all fxhomers.
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In all honesty, I'm not sure that voting a movie slightly better because you wish the director well counts as abuse. I'm not saying it's something I agree with as it'd be hypocritical of me to give out truthful and often blunt criticisms of my friends work and not expect the same back (which I feel I receive). Really, what can be done about it?

I wasn't aware that Schwar or Tarn said that popularity voting doesn't occur to some degree though there really are only a handful of people who know me or er-no are beta testers - not enough to warrant any serious votes. Because of this I believe that the average vote of the majority gives a pretty fair rating as I'm sure Schwar and Tarn do too.

The Core staff however, are a different story! There was a point a couple of years back when me and Tarn released films into the cinema in the same week and his out scored mine despite him swearing that my offering was superior. Perhaps he was just being humble wink

Curses!

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It's not just this thread. Whenever someone brings up the subject about mods abusing there privileges or rating's being abused. It seems to me that the Fxhome staff tend to just ignore it and deny that there is even a problem without really taking a look. Maybe they do take a good look and its just not obvious.
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ssj john wrote:

It's not just this thread. Whenever someone brings up the subject about mods abusing there privileges or rating's being abused. It seems to me that the Fxhome staff tend to just ignore it and deny that there is even a problem without really taking a look. Maybe they do take a good look and its just not obvious.
It seems the perception we have of the mod team as mods ourselves is very different from some of you chaps. I've always been quite confused when accused of abusing mod privileges - As I know that amongst us there isn't a person here for any other reason than to benefit fxhome. I firmly believe that the Fxhome staff on every level is made up of great people which is what makes the idea of Mod abuse seem absurd.

Earlier in this thread someone posted something unsuitable then cries abuse when the obvious happens. Without the original post intact I'm sure it could look suspicious and so often mods are forced to post defending their actions - in a perfect world the offenders would simply accept they wronged.

As for the ratings system, the mods do a lot of moderating the ratings. You can take my word that most ratings on the site over a +3 or -3 is looked at carefully to ensure fairness. We can't spot them all though, so if you spot what may be rating abuse let a mod know so we can have a look - simple.

If in the future, you feel a mod is abusing their power then PM Tarn or Schwar and they'll look into it. The majority of times that someone believes abuse is under way they simply haven't seen what caused a deletion/mass deletion because we were all over it before anyone had time to read it.

Something also worth keeping in mind is so that people like myself can remain active on the forums without having to sit back in order to moderate fairly the Mod team works by a simple unwritten rule:

"Don't Moderate what you want to take part in unless absolutely necessary"

Perhaps as mods, we are just too good. razz

-Hybrid.
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Evman wrote:

This is the best thread ever.
I came into this thread with the exact literal intent to post what you posted. So now I am quoting it instead.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:



Perhaps as mods, we are just too good. razz

-Hybrid.
Thats it! But I wasnt saying that the abuse was here in this perticular thread. And I'm not saying that abuse is rampant and out of control and I'm not saying when it is abused its abuse in a significant manner that has damaging effect on the community. I expect you guys to defend your actions, but there will always be people that disagree with them.

And as for ratings go, I personally think atom has been rated unfairly on this thread. Yeah so, you didn't get a chuckle out of his post. That doesn't constitute a negative rating, that deserves no rating at all. Can someone please justify the negative ratings given to atom?
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ssj john wrote:


And as for ratings go, I personally think atom has been rated unfairly on this thread. Yeah so, you didn't get a chuckle out of his post. That doesn't constitute a negative rating, that deserves no rating at all. Can someone please justify the negative ratings given to atom?
And I agree with you.

Unfortunately, I think it was a pretty good prank. It got me as I see the topic titles pop up in a ticker before I read them, my reaction was a sort of "Whahahahaat?!". Not everyone will enjoy being fooled, and I think that the person playing jester being Atom may make things a little bitter for some people...

Though that side of things has been dealt with, negative force has been removed a few times already.

In regard to mod abuse, perhaps some sort of system where deleted posts are stored for a week in some part of the forum so people can have a look and check we're being fair. Of course, the problem is that I believe that all posts we delete are deleted because they do not belong on the forums - though I'd definitely be comfortable with our moderating being totally transparent. How possible that is, I do not know.

-Hybrid.
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

In regard to mod abuse, perhaps some sort of system where deleted posts are stored for a week in some part of the forum so people can have a look and check we're being fair. Of course, the problem is that I believe that all posts we delete are deleted because they do not belong on the forums - though I'd definitely be comfortable with our moderating being totally transparent. How possible that is, I do not know.
It's a sad paradox, and I don't think there's a solution either way. In most instances of modding, the moderators do exactly what they should and clean up bad posts. (King Rhymes in this thread and every post by users like critic4you and Vladknob come immediately to mind)

But in about 10% of the modding of posts- and more so in the posts of Atom or myself- there's some modding that perhaps doesn't fit the bill. Last year I had a conversation with scwhar about this over-regulating, and he agreed to unlock several of the threads of Atom's which have been locked. When attempting to, however, he realized the threads had already been deleted by mods.

So I do like the idea of having an "undo delete" function for mods, but I don't like the idea of making modding obvious and transparent. The whole way the mods work effectively is off of their honestly and congeniality; Wizard being a prime example. In some cases they should substantiate their moderation- as Wizard always takes the time to do incessantly- but in most they should keep their actions short, sweet, and unknown. For if you expose who modded what, then whoever was flaming will only get more riled up at the fact that they know who to yell at for deleting their stuff.

I don't want to say you've "been lucky" to have this, but you literally have been lucky that even people who slightly flame or start heated conversations at times like me, Atom, TimmyD, or ssjohn take the time to write eloquent and thought-out arguments; rather than taking to simple name-calling.

Just some thoughts, figured I'd just throw 'em out there.
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Good points from several people, particularly some of hybrid's and Ben's last post.

Modding is always a tricky thing. For 99% of users it works fine and they won't actually ever even be aware it's happening, because we get to the spam and unpleasant posts before they even see them. You have to be a very regular poster/viewer of the forum to even notice the modding happening.

I'm still convinced that both the team and the moderators are doing a great job, given the ratio of complaints:users. Out of the few complaints we do get, most actually turn out to be simple misunderstandings.

Generally, however, I think you're all giving us far too much credit, to be honest. Moderating on the FXhome forums is actually very, very minimal. Nine out of ten times the moderating is simply to remove spam topics, accidental double-posts, non-sensical drivel (usually from first-time posters that are never seen again), illegal stuff (asking for dodgy software etc) or blatantly abusive posts.

Moderating in an active thread or 'censoring' people is incredibly, hugely rare. The reason for that is that the FXhome community is still made up of a very intelligent bunch of people. You lot simply don't need much moderating!

So half the reason that we don't often accept claims of moderating abuse is because moderating activities are generally so minimal, and usually don't even involve the genuine, regular posters. You're giving us and the mod team far too much credit, basically!

As always, if people do have genuine concerns, they should contact us at team@fxhome.com, where we'll take a proper look at the issue.

TimmyD wrote:

IMO, dead wrong. The reason he's a prominent member is because he's in with the true FXhome staff; you guys are friends, you know each other, you've hung out, and by association he's popular, I think.
Well, we've met once, which was at the recent Nightcast premiere.

Naturally, anyone that's in with the FXhome staff will be revered by most. Even if he became to be associated with you guys because of his contributions to the community, that's not why he's respected, at least not anymore. I think it's simply because of association.
So anybody that we (the FXhome team) respects and acknowledges immediately loses any actual credibility? That seems a rather odd attitude to have. Again, your logic does seem to be a bit...backwards.

I think you're also giving the FXhome association far too much weight - I doubt many people on the forum are even aware of his beta tester status, other than the long-time regulars, who are going to be too savvy to let it affect them anyway.
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I would just like to note that I have decided to stay completely out of this argument.
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ben3308 wrote:

I don't want to say you've "been lucky" to have this, but you literally have been lucky that even people who slightly flame or start heated conversations at times like me, Atom, TimmyD, or ssjohn take the time to write eloquent and thought-out arguments; rather than taking to simple name-calling.
I have to say I disagree, dealing with people who are abusive is far easier than dealing with people who make good points. smile
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Shazam!
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

In regard to mod abuse, perhaps some sort of system where deleted posts are stored for a week in some part of the forum so people can have a look and check we're being fair. Of course, the problem is that I believe that all posts we delete are deleted because they do not belong on the forums - though I'd definitely be comfortable with our moderating being totally transparent. How possible that is, I do not know.
Being a victim of numerous post deletions, some justified, while others up for interpretation, I believe that this would be an excellent experiment to see what gets deleted, as a whole, in this community. For example, in this thread, I posted an early comment about why I negatively rated Atom. Yes, it was a rather rash decision, but I just simply did not find it funny. I hold Eastwood with such high esteem. Bravo Atom you really got me, but I still felt the topic should be skipped to spare any other Eastwood fans from a brief feeling of nausea. However, it was deleted, without any direct reason as to why. As an investor to this company, I felt almost betrayed to be muted without justification. I interpreted the Mods' actions as not only unjust but arrogant. If I had recieved a personalized message as to why I was being censored, I would not feel as bitter about this.

With that said, I still completely respect every other aspect of the FXhome company and community. I am indebted to some members who have shown me how to be a better filmmaker and community member.

My plan to solve the latter issue would be to collect all the deleted posts for a certain period of time. Mods would carry on just as they have been, cleansing the forum from "potentially" offensive material. This data would then be displayed to the community, each member could interpret whether or not the posts are worthy of deletion, and then steps could be taken to change the criteria for a deleted post.

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Nice idea, but there's three fundamental problems with it that spring immediately to mind:

1. It creates a bureaucratic nightmare of everyone cross-checking everyone else, which would likely lead to arguments rather than everyone nodding and approving. The people that are most affect by moderating actions tend to be hostile generally (hence why their post was moderated in the first place), so they're unlikely to accept a ruling or debate it sensbily, whether the system is transparent or not.

2. New users will be rather confused by the 'recycle bin' part of the forum. To my knowledge it's not a standard system.

3. 99% of deleted posts are deleted for very good reasons. They're either abusive (nasty to the community or company - we're not talking negative criticism here, but unwarranted rude/offensive posts), dangerous (incorrect pyro advice, for example, or unpleasant links to snuff movies), illegal (pirated software/movies etc) or simple spam. The whole point of removing them is to save the general community from wasting time viewing/reading them or being disturbed by them - moving them to a temporary 'recycle bin' style side area would make this impossible.

Aside from anything else, I don't think it's a necessary system. Given the overwhelmingly friendly nature of the FXhome community and the fact it still functions without too many problems, it would be something of an over-reaction. Anyone that has frequented other Internet forums will know that the atmosphere here is rather different to 99% of other public forums - so far, I'd say the past and current systems are working fine.
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Claiming to be a Eastwood fan, surely you'd want people to read this thread so they can find out it was an April fools joke? Doesn't that make rating it down counter-productive?

Just a thought.

-Hybrid.
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Klausky wrote:

Bravo Atom you really got me, but I still felt the topic should be skipped to spare any other Eastwood fans from a brief feeling of nausea. However, it was deleted, without any direct reason as to why. As an investor to this company, I felt almost betrayed to be muted without justification. I interpreted the Mods' actions as not only unjust but arrogant. If I had recieved a personalized message as to why I was being censored, I would not feel as bitter about this.
It's simple, really. They like me more than you.

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Claiming to be a Eastwood fan, surely you'd want people to read this thread so they can find out it was an April fools joke? Doesn't that make rating it down counter-productive?
Once again, shazam!
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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Claiming to be a Eastwood fan, surely you'd want people to read this thread so they can find out it was an April fools joke? Doesn't that make rating it down counter-productive?

Just a thought.

-Hybrid.
I would rather see the topic deleted outright. I believe Tarn just said the Mods delete "rude/ offensive" posts. Wouldn't Atom's post fall under this category? It reminded me of somebody saying your dog had died. Obviously, plently of people took offense to the post, so it doesn't make sense for it to be kept.

The issue I'm trying to get at is who has the right to decide if a post is potentially offensive? I realize the FXhome team owns the site and have the right to do what ever they want to, but the company is nothing without customers. And when these customers are being censored for potentially offensive posts, while other potentially offensive posts remain is hypocritical ridiculousness.
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Saying Clint Eastwood died as an april fools joke isn't something I, or any of the other mods classify as offensive though. If he's not literally part of your family (as in, if hearing he was dead would cause you personal grievance) then perhaps I'd evaluate the perhaps unhealthy attachments you have formed with celebrities.

It's certainly very worrying. Clint Eastwood isn't your dog let alone someone anyone here is likely to have met personally or formed any friendships with.

April the 1st is meant to be a day where we remember to laugh and not take laugh too seriously - to enjoy being fooled. With this and the fact that there has already been discussion on how ridiculous it is to be offended by this post in mind - I'm afraid you'll just have to accept that the majority of people won't find the this offensive.

As Moderators, we decide what is or isn't offensive and what should be removed. It is our purpose, and I feel we do a good job. I think the majority if people do infact. It seems that only people with high negative : positive force ratings think otherwise. Which is fine by me.

-Hybrid.
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Klausky wrote:

The issue I'm trying to get at is who has the right to decide if a post is potentially offensive? I realize the FXhome team owns the site and have the right to do what ever they want to, but the company is nothing without customers.
Indeed, it's a constant rapport between the FXhome team and our customers/website members. Neither of us exist in a vacuum, and each influence each other. Also, the community is self-regulating to a degree - if someone posts something that is potentially offensive, you'll find a large number of people pointing that out, whether the mods step in or not.

To answer your question more directly, it is the FXhome team that decides where the line is drawn. The moderators work from our own guidelines, not their own - although most of the moderators will have been chosen partly because their general outlook matches our own. It's worth noting that the mods don't have free reign, however. The FXhome team regularly monitors and moderates the moderators to make sure they're not getting power hungry. smile

FXhome, despite increasing in size over the last year-or-two, is still a friendly and welcoming place. It doesn't matter where you're from on the planet, or what your religion is, or your political beliefs, or your skin colour, or your sexuality or even what console you own (although that's a bit more sensitive than the others, it would seem).

I like to think that the open, welcoming example we've set from the very start back in 2001 has encouraged like-minded people to join up, which in turn has helped to set the atmosphere for the community. Unpleasant and aggressive behaviour generally isn't tolerated, with such people either leaving or learning how to act more maturely.

As such, FXhome.com - to me, at least - is something of a pleasant oasis amidst the harsh wilderness of the Internet. I've done the rounds of various forums, usenet newsgroups and the like over the decades and they all seem to trade on hatred, jealousy and aggression. I don't continue to post on FXhome.com at the weekends because I'm dedicated to my job - I do it because I genuinely love the community, and would still be here even if I didn't work here.

I guess what I'm saying is that the current moderating system seems to be working fine for the community as a whole as well as most individual members.

The Clint Eastwood prank is a good example, as it requires a judgement call on whether it is offensive or not - some people will find it offensive, others won't. You could play it safe and delete it just in case, so as to avoid all possible offense. The problem with that is that you'd soon end up with a dry, dull community with no real 'soul'. So instead our only choice is to follow our own moral compasses and rely on the good sense and tolerance of fellow community members when things don't go precisely as they'd wish.
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Well this was a good discussion. As irritating as these threads can be sometimes, I think its important to have these discussions. It does nothing but help the community understand eachother. I always come away from these with a renewed confidence in the fxhome team and the community.
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That was corny.
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you know you liked it
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Can't we all just.... get along?

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ben3308 wrote:

In some cases they should substantiate their moderation- as Wizard always takes the time to do incessantly- but in most they should keep their actions short, sweet, and unknown.
If one were to read into this comment, one may deduce that an implication is being made that one tends to be long winded. With this reasoning, one may like to make a statement in opposition to the aforesaid comment, doing so by beginning with a rather general statement regarding said comment, then presenting that individual with a list of 15 examples that speaks to the contrary.

I will categories these examples chronologically, with an in-depth analysis of each incident to illustrate my point as affectively as possible. To begin...I think I have gone far enough to do this joke justice.

In all seriousness, I agree that moderating should remain mostly impersonal. Not putting a name to the moderating creates a sense that the moderators are of one entity. Putting a face to the moderating may perhaps cause feelings of resentment and animosity towards that moderator.

I can see how this may well impede that moderators’ ability to reason with that member in the future, or to steer a topic, which involves the member in question, in a different direction, but this can not always be avoided.

Although I fully agree that the majority of moderating should remain discrete, in some cases, the best option is to make oneself known, even if the result is being made out as the "bad guy" every so often.

As I have said, I believe it helps to prevent confusion, and aggravation, when the member is aware of the motivation behind the decision, such as when a member openly expresses a grievance with a decision. I also believe that receiving an explanation can go along way in preventing such things from occurring again. One can not learn from their mistakes if they are not aware of what these mistakes were.

I am coming back into this topic quite late into the discussion, and much of this has been resolved for the most part, but I thought I would briefly touch on this point. Though I would have liked to discuss some of the other points in this topic, much of what I could have said has already been covered quite exceptionally by Tarns and Hybrid-Halos' recent replies.

It is nice to see some positive elements come from this topic, and hopefully it has served to provide some insight into each others perspectives.

Take care.
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Tarn. I sincerely appreciate your respectful response. It provided me with the information I was looking for from the Mods, so thank you.

Lastly, I ask that when a potentially offensive post is deleted, the user recieves a short message as to why his/her comment was removed from the specific Mod who deleted it.
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Tarn wrote:

Naturally, anyone that's in with the FXhome staff will be revered by most. Even if he became to be associated with you guys because of his contributions to the community, that's not why he's respected, at least not anymore. I think it's simply because of association.
So anybody that we (the FXhome team) respects and acknowledges immediately loses any actual credibility? That seems a rather odd attitude to have. Again, your logic does seem to be a bit...backwards.
I never said they lose any actual credibility, that's putting words in my mouth. I'm saying that it seems as though they're automatically given praise, not only when they do do something good, but when they do something not so good. I'm not posting anything to be mean or offensive, and I'm not going nuts over here about how sometimes things seem this way, but myself and some others have seen some things go askew, and to just hush up about everything would do nothing.

I respect the FXhome team and staff very much; FXhome has come a long way from just "So I said I'd make them a program...", and I respect those whom you chose to assist you, I'm just trying to point some stuff out.

[quote=Tarn]I think you're also giving the FXhome association far too much weight - I doubt many people on the forum are even aware of his beta tester status, other than the long-time regulars, who are going to be too savvy to let it affect them anyway.[/quote]

I hate to say it, but monkey see, monkey do. If newcomers visit and see these guys getting praised and revered, they're naturally going to follow suit.

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So what makes you different from everyone else then Timmy? Why have you not naturally followed suit?

Because you do not have faith in the human race is no excuse for continuing this shameful attempt at validating your own opinion, especially when in this instance it just so happens to stand directly opposed to my own, the rest of the fxhome staff's and the majority of Fxhome, or at least those who voted.

It's absolutely fine that you didn't like the Project One Trailer and that you are not someone who 'popularity votes' though I do disagree with your opinion. Even more so when it contrasts that of people I would rely on for honest criticism.

From my perspective, the FXhome staff have always done their best to promote aspiring film makers work when it is exemplary. Project One, Deus Ex Machina, NightCast, Between the Lines have all recieved support not because of any friendships or loyalties - but because of a belief in their quality, regardless of which tier of professionalism that exists within and the desire to further the creative talents of it's members.

I suspect you would not be so critical of this if (or when) you yourself create something truly worthy of praise and FXhome give it the cover it deserves. Now there's an idea...

-Hybrid.

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I hate people that add fuel to the flame but..

I suspect you would not be so critical of this if (or when) you yourself create something truly worthy of praise and FXhome give it the cover it deserves. Now there's an idea...
Ooooooooo Snap!!


*Returns to his seat*
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Perhaps that came off more aggressively than I had intended (as is characteristic of me). There is no flame as such, I just absolutely disagree with what Timmy is saying.

To set things back onto a more sedate theme - Timmy, exactly what do you suggest people like myself, Ashley or er-no do? Give up our dreams because someone dislikes that our efforts on a website may to some extent cause people to vote in our favour?

-Hybrid.
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Now that "Lost" has gotten so crappy, I'm glad there's threads like this around to entertain us.

Now if it can just keep going until Sunday when the Sopranos comes back...
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So...does anyone want to join my FXHome Tag-team?
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Heh, whats your tag team then biggrin ?
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B3N wrote:

Heh, whats your tag team then biggrin ?
You can't be told until you're invited to join or somesuch. Older members will know what it's all about.
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Heh, I was thinking about that when I was reading this thread.

I'll join, Rawree.
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Let's do it, Rawree!

Seizure-inducing avatars and all!

Oh, and

Hybrid-Halo wrote:

I suspect you would not be so critical of this if (or when) you yourself create something truly worthy of praise and FXhome give it the cover it deserves. Now there's an idea..
Hybrid hinting at something, methinks.
Cover's Story, methinks? wink
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You must first prove your worth as a scientist, and a fighter. Then you can apply to the Tag Team. No newbs allowed, also. You must have two-year seniority.
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The even more hilarious:

Digi's Rebel Alliance
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*2 or more years seniority

Also, you must know how to wrestle.
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mVPstar wrote:

*2 or more years seniority

Also, you must know how to wrestle.
The only two formally recognised forms of wrestling which allow you to qualify are:

- Aligator
- Mud

Those capable of reaching grade 3 Foxy-boxing may also qualify.
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Atom wrote:

The even more hilarious:

Digi's Rebel Alliance
Ooh. I was wondering what happened to that. oink
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Atom wrote:

Let's do it, Rawree!

Seizure-inducing avatars and all!
Meh, I'm game. wink
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is there a force requirement?
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ssj john wrote:

is there a force requirement?
I don't see why there shouldn't be.
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Rawreee, your GIF avatar isn't animated in Firefox. Why's that?
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ben3308 wrote:

Rawreee, your GIF avatar isn't animated in Firefox. Why's that?
Works for me in Firefox. confused
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Hahahaha. Me and er-no had flashing sigs a while back but we got told off for them. Flashing images of our faces super-imposed into hazardous material suits.

smile
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Wheee-heheee, seizure-inducing Apple avatar!
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Whoa now... I can't sit back and let there be a resurgence of the Tag Team days without a guarantee that I will make 5-10% of the profits.
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You can have creative control rights and 8%, deal?
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just like to say that i thot the prank was funny(sry i saw it on april fools but never posted anything so i thought better late then never) i was on the phone with my friend while going through the forums and saw this and was like "omg! Clint Eastwood died of heart complications!" and my friend was like "REALLY!?" and i said "yeah! just a minute. theres a link to the full story!..................(page loads) .................hahahahahahahahaha its an april fool's joke!" yeah, i wasnt here last year so this one took me by surprise. thanks for the joke Atom
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Aculag wrote:

Whoa now... I can't sit back and let there be a resurgence of the Tag Team days without a guarantee that I will make 5-10% of the profits.
I'm willing to allow you 6% profit and the exclusive rights to produce Atom and Ben plush toys and TimmyD workout videos. How does that grab you?
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Rawree wrote:

Aculag wrote:

Whoa now... I can't sit back and let there be a resurgence of the Tag Team days without a guarantee that I will make 5-10% of the profits.
I'm willing to allow you 6% profit and the exclusive rights to produce Atom and Ben plush toys and TimmyD workout videos. How does that grab you?
What do you have to offer, Rawree.........


*GASP*A sex tape?
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Atom wrote:

Rawree wrote:

Aculag wrote:

Whoa now... I can't sit back and let there be a resurgence of the Tag Team days without a guarantee that I will make 5-10% of the profits.
I'm willing to allow you 6% profit and the exclusive rights to produce Atom and Ben plush toys and TimmyD workout videos. How does that grab you?
What do you have to offer, Rawree.........


*GASP*A sex tape?
Heh.

As the Creator (henceforth referred to as "Supreme Aligator") of this Tag Team I'm able to offer nothing whilst reaping 92% of the profits (henceforth referred to as "booty") and am able to barter with any members, or their likenesses as though they were photographs of tower bridge (henceforth referred to as "Official currency of the FXHome Tag Team").

EDIT: Anyone wishing to apply for the posts of "High Donkey" and "Lesser Badger" should write a 6 word letter of application detailing the workings of an internal combustion engine in the form of a simile or a metaphor.
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I love how this post has changed from a april fools joke, to an arguement then to a seizure inducing forum biggrin

B3N
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You do not know the origins of Tag Team and therefore are not qualified to make comments on the pertinence of said thing to this thread.

Also, you are not accomplished as both a scientist and a fighter.

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You are only a true member of the true tag team if you know what this means -

12212012

And if you play incessant amounts of WallBall
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does this mean im a true member than....?
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You'd need to pm me the meaning of the number and a video clip of you playing wallball.
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im pretty sure tha mods can access the PM's so its not safe...... Email maybs? No no.........hmmmmm I'll have to deliver it to you personally where you do you live?
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I don't know if its the large amount of rum in me or the fact I've been up for a very long time and have just finished celebrating my birthday, but yes, this topic has entertained me. Bravo to you all.
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I'm taking Atom's offer. 8% and creative control.

12212012
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I accept your acceptance of my offer.
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Evman wrote:

You are only a true member of the true tag team if you know what this means -

12212012

And if you play incessant amounts of WallBall
I think I know what this means, But I'm not for sure, But It could many things. it could be a code or somthing, who knows. But as for WallBall, I never tried it.
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Rawree wrote:

...and TimmyD workout videos.
Spandex gives me a rash.
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ssj john wrote:

im pretty sure the mods can access the PM's
Nope.

Isn't 12212012 as in 12th December 2012 the end/destruction and recreating of the world according to the Mayan Calendar? Coincidence perhaps.

I can't really join the tag team anyway, I've already pledged my soul to a greater union of powers.

-Hybrid.
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The number is a secret known only to Tag Team. If you wish to join, entity Hybrid-Halo, all will be revealed.