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Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 10:40am

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i serched this but had no luck finding it, ive also looked on google. im making a feature film and was wondering if anyone knows were i can hier proffesional equipment. i live in brandon in suffolk i cant really drive to far because im a kid and i need my parants to drive me so is there any were in my area where i can hire equipment from. the equipment is stuff like cameras boom mics stuff like that
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 10:44am

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First of all, if you are a kid, are you sure you're going to be able to handle making a feature length film?
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YES
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Double posting, if I remember correctly, is a no-no.

Apart from that, I'm with you on that, as I'm attempting a feature length film, and I'm only 15. (I've uploaded the script of my movie, Reign of Destiny, please have a look, and tell me what you think.)

I believe that young people CAN handle feature-length films IF they have the right attitude and mindset. My unbreakable determination is what I'm counting on to get me through my movie, I hope you can get through yours.

First, It's nice that you told us what 'professional equipment' you want, but we do know what 'professional equipment' is.

Now, as for hiring, be prepared to pay a good deal for this sort of equipment, but basically you head down to your local miscellaneous camera store and ask them about hiring some good equipment.

As for things like boom poles, If you're dad is a DIY buff, get him to make you some equipment. I, personally, made my own dolly with adjustable railing, my own jib, my own crane, AND my own steady-cam. All very cheap.

I hope that helped.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 11:02am

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yeah thanks i think it is true about kids able to make films like you said sorry bout the double post didn't even know that. and thanks i forgot about the camera shop because its a photography place but theres digital cameras lighting all that stuff thanks.

do you think i would be able to cranes from there?

ill be looking in there. then its to finding places like thearters where i can try and get actors.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 3:22pm

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Professional hires are expensive, but if you're sure you want to hire pro kit, may I suggest you buy a copy of 'The Knowledge' (appx £95) which has all the names and addresses you'll ever need for professional hires. Or better still, get a proper DoP and they'll handle the kit hire for you. They should also be able to get you lights, prices will vary hugely according to what you need - you can get a vanfull of tungsten for £500/day incl a gaffer, or rent Kino's, etc etc.

Prices-wise, you want a crane, you say. OK - I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your parents are wealthy and can bankroll all the things you want, so firstly, you need to hire a camera. I've been getting a Sony 750 for ~600/day inc legs, lens, matte box, HD monitor, etc, less for longer hires. Ask the hire place about cranes etc - you can get a pretty decent dolly for <£200/day, or as little as £50/day for something like a Wally Dolly. Do you really need a crane? How about a Jib on a dolly? Much cheaper.

If you're hiring pro equipment, you should also hire a professional soundie (again, look in The Knowledge, or Mandy.com etc), who will in turn get a boom op and rent the sound equipment for you.

Insurance - hire companies will require insurance and references. Ask Towergate for a quote - my total insurance budget (statutory company insurances included) is appx £1500/year, as you usually have to prove you can replace lost equipment plus the loss of hire for x weeks until the equipment can be replaced. You also need public liability, I'd suggest £2M.

hth
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 3:42pm

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i think it would be cheaper if i bought the stuff.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 4:32pm

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I suggest making your own, thats what I'm doing for a camera boom, mic boom,etc.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 4:43pm

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OK, first of all- you are 12. Everyone here has been very supportive of your efforts to get into film making- yet onlyl a week or so ago you were asking how you could earn even a few dollars to make your movie- now you are claiming that you are making a "feature film" and wish to hire out professional gear.

I work in video and film production for a living and you CANNOT afford to "hire professional gear" - Just to shoot :30 spots we usually have a budget of $15,000 to $50,000 and that is LOW LOW price production with profeessional gear- I have worked on commercial shoots for Huntington Bank, Wendy's and many others that have had budgets of over $1 million dollars. I'm not saying you can't make a MOVIE (even feature length) for very cheap, but HIRING professional gear is expensive- the going rate for general commercial production around here (NON UNION rates- NOT UNION rates) would be about $1,000 per day for a pro VIDEO camera and support gear pacakge, the camera operator himself would be about $500 a day, lighting gear another $225 per day (that's just for a small ARRI kit and some other support gear) Audio operator $350.00+ per day, Audio Kit could run up to $200+ per day etc...grips, stylists, makeup,etc... are equally as expensive.

and these are all NEGOTIATED rates- not the standard rates that you would have to pay-
read pdrg's post again- why don;t you lay out the 95 pounds and buy the directory first- if you can't afford the directory, then you can't afford the gear.

you see where I'm heading? You don;t even have enough money to buy a few props or some software and you are looking to hire out pro gear and crew???

What about insurance? Short term production insurance for your feature will cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars (although most rental gear will be covered in some way)
Craft services? Hundreds of dollars-

generators, porta-johns (gotta go to the bathroom!) Electrical-
consumables= gels, tape stock, etc...

I mean what are you talking here!?

Why don't you just take the camera you have and MAKE SOMETHING for God's sake! You are not ready to make a feature film if you can't put together a 5 minute movie.

If you want to get into professional production and BUY your own gear, then $30,000 is a good place to start with a good camera- heck, you may even get a hardshell case and some batteries for your 30K. Can you afford the $30,000 camera!? Let's start there-
better yet can you afford 500-900 for an editing package? Vegas? Premiere Pro? Final Cut? AVID?
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For the money you're going to pay to hire / rent "professional" equipment - you're way better off starting to invest in your own stuff. All you need is a mediocre video camera and a computer that can handle a decent editing program (and of course FXhome apps as well!). smile

At your age, beg borrow and steal (OK, don't steal!) to make your movies. Don't get in the habit of solving problems with the "money hose", solve them by being creative and coming up with different ways to make your shots for little or no money. Don't spend any money unless you absolutely have to.

Not sure of your background either, but I would also consider starting with a few short films (5 to 10 minutes). If you've done this, and you want to make something bigger... go for it!

hth-

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I have to say, after reading BMB's post, that you should wait until you actually know what your doing. I work as sound and lighting technican, for theater, so I know what I'm doing, and where I can get the stuff I need at a low price. Being able to understand the key elements in a film is essiental in the process of filming.

I say go learn the roots of sound/audio, lighting, camerawork, and, most importantly, editing.

You have to remember that I too am 15 (16 in June) yet I already know what I'm doing, way before I do it.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 5:15pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

I have to say, after reading BMB's post, that you should wait until you actually know what your doing. I work as sound and lighting technican, for theater, so I know what I'm doing, and where I can get the stuff I need at a low price. Being able to understand the key elements in a film is essiental in the process of filming.

I say go learn the roots of sound/audio, lighting, camerawork, and, most importantly, editing.

You have to remember that I too am 15 (16 in June) yet I already know what I'm doing, way before I do it.
Good advice- fxmaniac is all over the map! One day it's "how can I get a few pounds to save up for my movie?" and then it's "I can make a feature! Where do I hire pro gear?"
The truth is that you can make VERY NICE pieces for a low budget, using "pro-sumer" gear like the Canon GL2 or a panasonic DVX100B, or even stepping up to an HVX2000- these are nice pieces of gear, but generally considered "prosumer" not PRO- "pro" means pro- and he hasn't got two cents to rub together-

I'm not trying to discourage him, only to inform him that there is alot more involved than he might realize, and it is best to START SMALL BY JUST MAKING SOMETHING- ANYTHING! Just get something finished.

B
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 5:19pm

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You could even start with a small Sony Digital8/Hi8 and make ok small films.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 5:22pm

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to be honest you don't need boom mics. You could easily get a decent microphone and do lip-synching. Onto lighting. just some stands and floodlights can't cost much. and for camera's there are tripod leg attachments that allow decent movement
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 5:23pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

You have to remember that I too am 15 (16 in June) yet I already know what I'm doing, way before I do it.
No offense here, but how can you know what you're doing before you do it? You have to go out and actually do it - to know it. If I misunderstood and you're simply talking about planning & pre-production, then that would make more sense.

The best way for fxmaniac to learn how to make a film is.. to go out and make one. For example, if he went out and actually tried to rent some pro equipment, he would quickly learn that it's too expensive (understatement) and it just doesn't make sense at his age and level.

Reading is good, watching others is good - but he'll have to get his hands dirty at some point. But I agree with everyone that is saying he is way ahead of himself at this point, talking about elaborate equipment and whatnot.

Start small & simple. You may find out that filmmaking is a pain in the a** and you don't like it... or, you could be the next <insert favorite director's name here>. smile
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 7:43pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

i think it would be cheaper if i bought the stuff.
Hahahahahahahaha

Sorry fxmaniac, but I'm right on the brink of blacklisting you for being a timewaster - you ask for help then ignore it, you want to run before you even crawl, you're spending a budget of hundreds of thousands of pounds to buy equipment you can't use, and yet you're asking people here how to scrape £5 together.

I've tried to be encouraging and supportive and give you the benefit of the doubt over and over again, but now I wonder if you're just trolling? You want to buy pro cam gear? That'll be with the fiver you made, then? I like to think you're a troll, not just thick.

How many films, shorts, even cameraphone snippets have you made? Post them up here if you're proud of them, and I'll take it all back, but right now I'm just tired of excuse after excuse, a million delaying tactics, and I don't think you really want to make a film at all, or you'd have made one by now with all the time you spend on here asking for help you ignore.

Forum, excuse my rant, but I've run out of encouragement and patience, I really have.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 8:08pm

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i know this might sound rude but i dont care what you think. im making the movie the way i wan't and this is what im doing http://www.filmmaking.net/articles/show_article.asp?id=14
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 8:27pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

i know this might sound rude but i dont care what you think. im making the movie the way i wan't and this is what im doing http://www.filmmaking.net/articles/show_article.asp?id=14
Hate to say it but if you won't take other people's advice, "don't care what [they] think" and are doing it all the way you want then why ask for help? You'll just be wasting thier time and irritating a lot of people as well as clogging up the forums and making yourself look childish.
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 8:30pm

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making yourself look childish. sorry to brake it to you but i am a kid. i do take peoples advice i just dont take peoples negativaty. lol.
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Filmmaking.net wrote:

Ignore any negative people in your life, and drive yourself on faith that your movie will get done
Reminds me of a certain Edward D. Wood Jr
Posted: Wed, 4th Apr 2007, 8:47pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

making yourself look childish. sorry to brake it to you but i am a kid. i do take peoples advice i just dont take peoples negativaty. lol.
There's a difference between acting childish and being a 12 year old. If you can project yourself as a mature individual then you'll receive a lot more help and you'll be taken much more seriously as it'll seem less likely that you're just here to waste people's time and never get round to the point where their suggestions are of use.

As for the negativity comment; again there's a difference between being negative and being realistic. You have to take the rough with the smooth, that's just how this stuff works and it's how you learn and improve - just because it's not what you want to hear doesn't mean it's invalid. They (presumably) know what they're talking about, you don't (otherwise you wouldn't be asking these questions) so I recommend you listen to what's being said and take it on board and find ways around these problems, don't just think that people are making them up to try and put you off.
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fxmaniac wrote:

i know this might sound rude but i dont care what you think. im making the movie the way i wan't and this is what im doing http://www.filmmaking.net/articles/show_article.asp?id=14
I think you may have burned some bridges with some of us here, at least for now. I feel a bit foolish for putting time and thought into my two replies today. neutral

It's good to have a dream and a vision, but bulldozing your way there won't work. Please don't waste your / our time by asking for help from others and then responding as you did above. Not cool.

I wish you the best in your future projects.
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fxmaniac wrote:

i know this might sound rude but i dont care what you think. im making the movie the way i wan't and this is what im doing http://www.filmmaking.net/articles/show_article.asp?id=14
Then why keep asking questions? Then why keep ignoring the advice? We have told you several times HOW to go about getting something done- have you even shot ONE FRAME yet?

How about the $30,000 for that camera?

I started making movies when I was 12...in 1982, and it was lots of fun- but I was using an 8mm silent movie camera- no audio, no editing software, no internet, no computers- You have an AMAZING amount of resources at your disposal that I could only dream of having- and one of those resources is THIS FORUM and the people that contribute to it.

Pdrg is a professional working in video and film production, and there are others here as well that work at pro or semi-pro levels, or at least have lots of experience actually MAKING films- and everyone has been encouraging, given you good FREE advice, and answered your posts. It's really, really disappointing that you have let your own ignorance and immaturity become a source of pride (I don't care what you think...etc...) Your initial posts claimed that you had a hard time sticking with an idea- you got LOTS of help with that and it seemed like you had made some progress- How is that coming along? Have you developed that idea?
Have you shot anything? The reason that you have trouble sticking with an idea is because of YOU. There is no real secret, just DOING IT is what gets it DONE. Yet, here we are...
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 1:28pm

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fxmaniac wrote:

i know this might sound rude but i dont care what you think. im making the movie the way i wan't and this is what im doing http://www.filmmaking.net/articles/show_article.asp?id=14
Free advice here - don't make enemies in what is a very small business. In film everyone knows one another, or at least have worked with someone who knows someone...and it is very self-cleansing too. Idiots and ****holes are poorly tolerated and don't get work, simple as that.

If you show some gratitude as opposed to rudeness when people spend their own time to help you, they may do so again in the future, but you seem to be in love with the dream of being a hotshot director with no intention of ever exposing some film/tape. 'Check me out, I'm a brain surgeon who's never been to med school' or 'Flying one of these things must be just like riding a horse - what can go wrong?'. You have to work at things to hone your craft.

There are some really, really experienced, generous and helpful people on this board, and the vast majority of them actually have spent time exposing film/tape. That's where experience comes from. Not from asking a million and one questions that have already been answered, and not from dissing peoples help when you've asked for it. 12 or 21 or 45 or whatever, poor manners and arrogance are unattractive traits, and memories are long.

You could try realising just how lucky you are - Bryan puts it really well above - and appreciating it. But you're 12 behaving 3, and working as hard as you can to alienate the very community you say you want to be a part of. Not a smart move, now, is it? And believe me, I'm one of the most positive and supportive people around.

So, apparently you have all the knowledge you need from that one article on filmmaking.net (which is a good site, I agree), which means you can stop asking questions and get on with taping, doesn't it? But seeing as you're going to buy your own pro equipment (when the real pro's hire), looks like you've got another 10 years of excuses ahead... 'when I get this £80,000 camera, then I'll be able to start making films'.

Filmmakers MAKE FILMS. Even 15 seconds of phonecam footage is a start - it's moving images, it can tell a story, it can even make money. This is why I say you love the IDEA of film, but not film itself. That's OK, but this isn't the place for you - go over to IMDB and pretend to be a bigshot over there instead. Maybe there, someone will believe you. Or stay here and start making films. Talk to me again when you've got distribution for your feature, in the meantime you're on your own as far as I'm concerned.

Shame.
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peace man i dont wanna fight. i am trying to make films http://youtube.com/profile?user=stickmanfilms i just need to practice
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fxmaniac wrote:

i know this might sound rude but i dont care what you think. im making the movie the way i wan't and this is what im doing http://www.filmmaking.net/articles/show_article.asp?id=14
Man............ you need to wake up! What does that article tell you??? For those who didn't read it, it basically says... write a script and visualize your movie. It says plan out EVERYTHING until "money arrives". Guess what? There is NO money coming your way any time soon! You have to have something to show to get funding! and you DO NOT NEED THE KIND OF FUNDING YOUR LOOKING FOR AT THIS POINT. So you can sit there and ask 10000 questions..... and then when people are extremely generous and answer, you can say "i dont care what you think (then why the hell did you ask??????).... and 5 years from now you won't be any closer to making the movie you want to make.

Read Robert Rodriguez's (Once upon a time in mexico, sin city, spy kids, grind house (coming soon) ) book "rebel without a crew". He is completely right when he says something along the lines of everyone has a ton of bad movies in them... its just a matter of getting them out of you before you go big.

STOP asking questions every other day about the thing you heard of that has to do with making movies.
STOP acting younger than you already are, and telling people you don't care what they think.

At this rate no one will care what you think or say. So when you FINALLY make something.. no one will care to see it. Get your hands on whatever camera you can (be it cell phone, digital still camera video feature, 8mm, mini dv) and make your movie. Do what it says in that article about planning out, then just MAKE IT.
When your done that, make the next you.
If you dont want to start another one right away - then maybe filmmaking isn't for you. If this is what you truely want, it should be the only thing your interested in doing, and you should be making a TON of movies.

My advice -> Dont start another thread, dont even post more than one more time in this thread, and focus your time on making something. When you've made something, show it. Even if its 4 mins long and you dont think its very good, its better than nothing.

-MAGIC
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I understand that you have ambitions to make it big in the film industry - great! It's good to have a set goal above blindly jumping into the lake.

However, you can't start off by shooting for your goal in one long stretch - you have to allow time and experience to build a foundation of knowledge for you that can allow you to, step by step, achieve your goal.

My first movie was about 5 minutes long and while it was decent, had terrible acting, camerawork, and effects. But we enjoyed making it, and we enjoyed watching it. We had fun, the most important thing about making movies.

That was about 2 years ago, and now I'm much more experienced and have made a few more short movies just to sharpen my skills. I thought I knew everything I needed to know to make a blockbuster when I was 12. I'm almost 15 now and I realized how dumb I was back then.

I know it's going to sound hostile, but man, 12 years old is just nowhere near close enough to make anything near a blockbuster. Trust me, in 3 years, you're going to look back at yourself now and say, "Man, what was I thinking!?" I did the exact same thing, and I have yet to meet a single person that hasn't.

I'm going to repeat what everyone else has said now: Don't plan it. Get your friends together, and just make a movie! Don't even think about it, get a basic idea, and make it up on the spot! Have fun! Build yourself a staircase up to that goal, step by step, through experience and learning.

Best of luck.
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thanks thats true. tommorow im gonna be metting up with my freind and were gonna be making a short film or two on the spot. till then ive been doing some mini animations just for fun http://youtube.com/profile?user=stickmanfilms im gonna carry on writting the script and planing it out so maby when im more expireenced i'll have a good starting point.
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Well, like everyone else has said... Show us your potential.

We friend (only 12) loves making movies, yet HAS NO clue on editing, camerawork, etc. But then I met him,and have been helping him. When he showed me his first movies (1-2 minute shorts of random stuff) I LOLed th whole time, but (by showing me these shorts) he showed me his potential. So now, he's apart of the team at Dodo Bird Productions, and helping create the WWII movie that is untitled. But at least he has made shorts to show his potential, here is a small short we did together (I edited).

Just show us what you got, so we know how to help you.

:EDIT: I see you posted as I was typing... Well good.
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hey there. i saw that one befor a couple days a go but this time its different youv'e addad music and there'a a different beging. i liked it by the way cool hair mine used to be like that only a little longer. i started making a randome film a second ago and im gonna continue tonight and tommorow. and im gonna be making a film or 2 tomorrow with one of my friends hopfully.

i was wrong its not really a feature film. its a long short. sorry lol.
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How'd you see it? there was always music.
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ive already had an offer to be in it from someone who takes acting classes wooo

i should have visionlab in a few weeks woo