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Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 6:24pm

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For our film we really need horses, (As in the main character needs to ride on a horse). The problem is, we can't ride a horse and we don't have any horses anyway. Any reccomendations?
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 6:35pm

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once again the answer is greenscreen. this will be hard as i see you don't have composite lab. you would need to make the shape of the horse in greenscreen, (or possibly just somewhere to sit) then composite it on. the only other method would be to get a real horse.
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 6:45pm

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Hi,

Where are you based? how urgent is it?
Just an idea.

I'm shooting two different films, both will have horses, i'm sure you could come along and if it's not a long scene you would be able to shoot with someone on a horse.
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 7:02pm

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I'm sure there have to be farms where you are, and I'm sure they would allow you to use a horse of theirs.
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 7:08pm

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link123456 wrote:

For our film we really need horses, (As in the main character needs to ride on a horse). The problem is, we can't ride a horse and we don't have any horses anyway. Any reccomendations?
I suggest you forget them altogether.

It'd be ridiculous to try and fake riding a horse if it's such a big part of the movie that it can't be cut out and will look fake as you like. Greenscreening someone onto a horse is just daft. I was originally going to explain this point at length but there's really no need. Basically it'd be more impractical than learning to ride and would look 1% as good.

Learning to ride is one thing but when dealing with something like this you'd be a fool to not have a professional/stunt rider so I guess that rules that out. It can be dangerous even when you know what you're doing and isn't one of those things where you can just wing it.

The lack of software is most certainly not the biggest problem, it's more the lack of any practical solution.
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 7:17pm

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Honestly, link123456, I can't think of any way to show an actor riding a horse without using an actual horse. You could use some kind of creative editing to create the illusion, (camera movements, sound effects, etc,) but if you actually need a horse in the shot, your options are rather limited without access to a real horse. Things like greenscreening and 3D amimation are likely to look comically fake, particularly on a budget. Of course, I'm not saying you should scrap the idea alltogether, but you may want to tweak your script so that the horse doesn't appear onscreen, or else try to obtain a real horse for your shoot. Depending on where you're located, that may be easier than you'd think.
Best of luck with your film!
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 7:49pm

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Just fake it by banging some coconuts together. Thats what monty python did.
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 7:53pm

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CinemaFreak is right!
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 8:36pm

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it really depends what type of film you're going for. If it's a action/epic then just cut the horse all together. If it's a comedy however. you could simply get two people in a horse suit or do the monty python.
Posted: Thu, 5th Apr 2007, 9:51pm

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It's a 'The Ledgend of Zelda' Fan-film.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 12:52am

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Well, guessing Link is riding the horse (Just assuming it's Epona biggrin ) get someone who CAN ride a horse to dress as Link. Or just avoid using the horse. I can imagine Zelda without Epona, you don't NEED her.

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Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 2:12am

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The stunt double idea is a good one, but DO tell, if you can't get a horse, how are you going to get an ORANGE horse?
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 2:25am

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This movie is set in the time before any zelda games, it's about the first king of Hyrule, so Epona isn't alive yet.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 2:55am

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Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 4:37am

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If you need horses and can't get them you can do either of these two:


1.Fake it.


2.Write a different script.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 6:58am

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They aren't half way though the script, and are shooting next Wednesday.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 10:54am

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What about just filiming the top half of your actor looking like he's riding a horse. And then cut to a clip of horses hoofs running. Not sure where you would be able to get footage of just horses hoofs running... unsure But just a suggestion.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 12:04pm

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Apart from the horse content tell me how these two are different in terms of plot development:

George rode majestically into the courtyard, his cape swirling behind him in the morning breeze

George strode majestically into the courtyard, his cape swirling behind him in the morning breeze

And CX3 I don't care if it's an abuse of the system (fight the power, down with Thatcher etc), that hobbyhorse deserves recognition!
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 1:59pm

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=3blWODE8pN4

looks like these guys were a bit stuck for a horse too. Quality film.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 3:37pm

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As had been said, there is no real "effective" way of faking it that wouldn't require more time and effort than it would be worth-

However there have been some useful suggestions-

First of all, riding a horse well is one thing- that takes some time, patience, and a willingness to learn what the animal is telling you with her body language and all of that- but literally just sitting on some horses for some shots is not a big deal- anyone can do it.
I'd suggest getting with a local trail-riding group in your area, I don;t know how common those are in the UK, but here in Ohio, there are lots of places to go-
I would tell them what you are trying to do and offer to pay for the day of riding- they have to pay their employees! and maybe you could get your shots all in one day- If you need dramatic shots involving other locations, that may be tricky, so you should consider having your heroes "dismount" and go wherever they are going on foot- also, if you need some dramatic shots of fast riding and things, you can always dress up some of the experienced riders from the trail riding place in your costumes and have them do the fast riding- just film those scenes from a sufficient distance or from the back so they actors faces cannot be seen.

Other than that- you have limited choices. You could TRY to do what some others have suggested, shoot the actors moving as if they are on a horse, then cut to shots of the hooves, or you could try an incredibly complex compositing job- Use a greenscreen BEHIND your actors and then build something that you can straddle that gets your feet up in the air- this could be done on sawhorses with wood or chairs or anything- drape the WHOLE THING in greedn screen material and light the hell out of it- then act like you are riding a horse- then provide this footage to a really good 3D artist and have them generate 3D horses with you on them. I'm sure this COULD be done- but it would take TONS of time and effort and skill to make it look at least half as good as just going out and trying to find a place that would let you ride for an afternoon (supervised!) and shoot some scenes- this may take some imagination on shot selection, and good planning to make sure you get what you need that day, and even modifying the script-

Good luck!
B
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 4:10pm

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For something like a fanfilm, I think you might get away with closeups of people acting like they're riding a horse, and add a few horse sounds to the soundtrack. If you can get a longshot of somebody (anybody) riding a horse, you can cut that in as an establishing shot before going to the closeup. Especially if you can get them to wear your jacket or hold your bow or sword, etc.)

A lot of the closeup riding scenes in Lord of the Rings were done with a fake horse -- just a neck and fake head, which were mostly off camera anyway. Watch the "making of" scenes (I think on the The Two Towers? extended edition?). They give instructions to the hobbits (Billy Boyd) on how to make it look like you're riding a horse. But those instructions are probably illegal to pass on to anyone under 18. (Umm, they basically say from the waist down to act like you're, umm, having marital relations...)

Of course, I guess they filmed those scenes in front of a green screen, so they could add in the moving background later. Maybe you can fake it while riding in the back of the pickup truck, or on a bicycle or atv, to get a real motion background?

Tim L
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 6:43pm

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In the first LOTR when they engaged in "Marital Actions" upon the horse, they attached it to the side of a truck and had the camera on the truck. And then they had other expierenced Black riders ride with the truck.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 6:46pm

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you green/blue screen and make a geen/bluse blace for the character to sit on and act is out as though they were riding.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 7:28pm

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I'd have to agree with the idea of removing the horses all together. Even if you could get the horses and the riders you've then got to look into liability insurance. Someone falling off a horse and breaking their spine is not going to go down well, and insurance isn't cheap.

Its annoying not to be able to do something the way you want it, but sometimes you have to.
Posted: Fri, 6th Apr 2007, 11:42pm

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Yes, this is the part where you need to get creative and revise your script. It's what most of us here have to do with a small budget.
Posted: Sat, 7th Apr 2007, 5:10am

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i think a good idea would be to go with the LOTR approach. except you could make it safer by simpler filming your character in front of the green screen on a slightly horshish looking barrel thing(like in LOTR when they show faramir charging osgiliath) and then put your camera man in the back of a pick up truck and drive past a big field. then with some compositing it might look ok.
Posted: Sat, 7th Apr 2007, 11:44am

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Horseys yay! Well you could alternate between shots, there must be a local horse training group near you?(There is near me!) Get an experienced horse rider from there to dress up in your costume and then shoot them from behind riding the horse, Then alternate to a shot with you on the horse, but perhaps not moving, or a close up of teh face with you just making the motions!
Posted: Tue, 10th Apr 2007, 5:44pm

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We have come to a descision: We are going to our nearest farm and asking nicely for the usage of their horseage.
Posted: Tue, 10th Apr 2007, 5:55pm

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You might want to learn how to ride a horse also... just a thought.
Posted: Sat, 14th Apr 2007, 3:32am

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Do it like the Wargs in Lord of the Rings. Or when they have the full sized human riding the same horse as a mini Hobbit, one of them isn't really riding the horse. It's all an illusion. Or you could do it like in Sea Biscuit, where during the close-ups on Toby Miguire, he's on a saddle on a peice of plastic that moves back and forth like those fake bull rides. Or, more far out there, film yourself playing zelda, riding the horse around, get a lot of good shots, some from the side, some from the front, and some at wierd angles, and try to overlay your actor over link. Sure it might look funny, but it's worth a try.