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Final Cut Studio 2

Posted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007, 6:06pm

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Apple announced the new Final Cut Studio 2 at NAB last week and heres a link to get a sneek peek. FCS 2 includes Final Cut Pro 6, Motion 3, Soundtrack Pro 2, Compressor 3, DVD Studio 4, and a new program called Color. In my opinion, its a little too soon to release the new FCS 2 since FCS 1 was released a little over a year ago.

http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/
Posted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007, 6:19pm

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You're a little late on this one. razz

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28895
Posted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007, 6:47pm

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razz
-MAGIC
Posted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007, 7:23pm

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Ouch, you guys are harsh!

If you want to see what Color is: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7987.html

ProRes?: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7989.html

Motion 3: http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7988.html
Posted: Fri, 20th Apr 2007, 8:24pm

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Magic_man12 wrote:



razz
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Absolutely hilarious! hehe razz
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 12:15am

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Well I searched the Forums before posting so I must have missed that one. wow Magic_man12, you sure have alot of free time. LOL
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 8:43am

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+1 Magic_man12 biggrin
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 2:59pm

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Final Cut Studio 2 + Vision Lab = BEST STAR WARS FAN FILM EVER!!!

Seriously though, if you use Adobe After effects, switch.

Just my $0.02
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 7:00pm

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Rogue53 wrote:

Seriously though, if you use Adobe After effects, switch.
Switch to what? Motion? Vision Lab? I use AE, and at the moment, I wouldn't switch to anything. Except maybe Shake.
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 9:28pm

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If you want hours upon hours of confusion and hundreds of unusable and impractical tools you'll never ever pull out at a costly price, Shake is for you.

Honestly, I haven't even used AE and I'm gonna say there's no need to move from it to anything else, let alone Shake.

And not to be rude, just thought I'd caution that...

Rogue53 wrote:

Final Cut Studio 2 + Vision Lab = BEST STAR WARS FAN FILM EVER!!!
This shows how much you know about filmmaking/editing. FCP will yield no different result in editing or the quality of the picture than will almost any other NLE. It's the person that uses the tool that makes the difference, not the tool itself. Unlike Cameras, which you may be able to say "now my films will look 10 times more professional with an expensive camera!", which may be half-true, editing isn't that way at all.

Again, I'm not saying that you think FCP will make anything better in a picture, just trying to caution you of that mentality some people get that "more expensive/newer stuff will make my movies better/me more talented".
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 9:38pm

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Whoa, easy guys its all good.

I'm gonna have to say that Adobe's got some pretty sweet stuff coming out with their CS3. There's already been a few things shown that make for some awesome integration that's easy and very powerful. Check out this video:

http://www.studiodaily.com/main/news/7995.html
Posted: Sat, 21st Apr 2007, 9:44pm

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Atom wrote:

If you want hours upon hours of confusion and hundreds of unusable and impractical tools you'll never ever pull out at a costly price, Shake is for you.

Honestly, I haven't even used AE and I'm gonna say there's no need to move from it to anything else, let alone Shake.
You clearly don't know too much about compositing or money. You can get Shake under $300 right now and the tools in Shake are incredible. If you RTFM and follow some tutorials, Shake is a god send and you would never want to switch back from node compositing. Do some research and you'll see why it was considered an industry standard just a few years ago. Shake's value is amazing, but I wouldn't buy it simply because of the lack of support from Apple or a large userbase.

I'm pretty sure Rogue was referring to Motion. However he clearly doesn't know too much about After Effects either. Apple stresses that Motion is not a replacement for AE, but would even do a good job running beside it. These new tools will assists it's ability to "compete," but the amount of tools it has doesn't make it nearly as versatile as AE. As a Motion Graphics tool however, it does a fantastic job.

FCS6 looks amazing. I'd really love to get this when I go off to college next year. The smooth cam Final Cut addon is very handy as it can be done right in the editor and the tracking abilities in Motion are something that have sounded tasty 2 versions ago. Color looks fantastic as well.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 12:22am

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My apologies to those I'm about to disappoint, but I've used AE for 3 years. Don't tell me that I don't know anything about it. Secondly, everything but photoshop in the Adobe libe pales in comparison for FCS2. In. My. Opinion.

I was just saying my opinion, hence the 'Just my two cents.' I obviously think that I'll have better output in quality when it comes to video with FCS2, instead of the Adode.

And as for cost to quality ratio, ask anyone on this board. Does something more expensive than what you've got give you better quality if used correctly? I'm willing to say that 95% of the answers are Yes.

Please, don't insult people until you know what to insult.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 12:43am

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Rogue53 wrote:

Final Cut Studio 2 + Vision Lab = BEST STAR WARS FAN FILM EVER!!!
Agreed!!! (working on some ideas...)

Rogue53 wrote:

Seriously though, if you use Adobe After effects, switch.
Just my $0.02
Let's not start that war... even though I already dropped AE last year... wink
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 12:48am

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Agreed, let's not start a war.

Still, for such an abrasive post, I'd wish you read my side notes. If you're trying to add credibility to your post by spouting off numbers, then I've edited on different NLEs (more advanced editing on FCP and Vegas, some Premiere) for 4 or 5 years now, save 3 or more extra years on Pinnacle and other crap.

Aside from that, though, I was just saying, on principle, it's not the cost of the tool you use, it's how you use it. And, frankly, I was mostly speaking about the use of FCP, not AE. Again, I said I don't have knowledge of AE but do of Shake. Perhaps this wasn't clear enough.

Either way, I'm sorry if I came off aggressive. Surely you should know, though, that the moment you say the words "STAR WARS FANFILM" you're open to a behemoth of criticism.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 1:11am

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I just shortened this reply WAY down, it came off too harsh (my apologies). So, in short:

Atom wrote:

If you want hours upon hours of confusion and hundreds of unusable and impractical tools you'll never ever pull out at a costly price, Shake is for you.
Just because you didn't get along with Shake, doesn't mean its tools are unusable and impractical. Hogwash. Oh, and it only cost me $299, and has already saved me oodles of time.

Atom wrote:

Honestly, I haven't even used AE and I'm gonna say there's no need to move from it to anything else, let alone Shake.
You simply cannot advise people to stick with AE when you've never used it. OK, well you can.. and you did. But it's irresponsible, unprofessional, and I don't think anyone here is taking your suggestion seriously.

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Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 1:20am

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Serpent wrote:

I'm pretty sure Rogue was referring to Motion. However he clearly doesn't know too much about After Effects either. Apple stresses that Motion is not a replacement for AE, but would even do a good job running beside it.
That was as of version 2 - now that Motion 3 is out, Apple is going to head-to-head against Adobe's AE. Lots of competition between the two (which of course is great for us).

Both apps have their place, but the gap in features just got way, way more narrow. But to me, Motion's ability to work in real time - even keying HD footage on a mediocre Mac at 29.97 fps, for example - was a no-brainer.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 1:28am

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Either way, I'm sorry if I came off aggressive. Surely you should know, though, that the moment you say the words "STAR WARS FANFILM" you're open to a behemoth of criticism.
I'm sorry too, but I would have assumed that a person with a post count as high as yours, you'd know by now when to spot a joke, and not take that sort of action against it. =P
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 2:28am

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Serpent wrote:

You can get Shake under $300 right now
I thought it was fixed at US$499?
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 2:42am

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Hendo wrote:

Serpent wrote:

You can get Shake under $300 right now
I thought it was fixed at US$499?
You can get it used on eBay or find it cheaper at other stores. I've seen 'em go for under $300.

I'm sorry if my comment sounded harsh, but here's what I meant: AE is a bit more expansive than Motion is. There are just many more options for more advanced things. However, Apple hasn't said to much about Motion 3. It's GUI and capabilities as far as workflow give it the potential to be a much nicer, smoother, and better application.

Anyone know how it works for upgrading the academic version?
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 3:17am

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It's to bad Final Cut Studio 2 is only for Mac. sad Would have been cool to get.
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 4:17am

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I work a lot with Shake. It mops the floor with AE for compositing any day.

AE is great for motion graphics. So is Motion.

Shake has lots of tools that may seem hard to grasp at first but once you get the hang of it, you can make miracles. Literally.

That's why it was nominated for every single Oscar for Visual Effects since its existance... And won them all.

Your knowledge of Shake is obviously limited or swayed by its tough learning curve - I guess you quit before you could see its potential. A lot of the most practical tools of Shake have been implemented in FCP 6 and Motion 3, which is great news for editors and motion graphics artists everywhere because they rock! I've saved shots with the smoothcam node more times than I can recount and it's a great addition to FCP 6!
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 5:18am

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Rogue53 wrote:

I would have assumed that a person with a post count as high as yours, you'd know by now when to spot a joke, and not take that sort of action against it. =P
And, as I figured, someone with such a recent join-date as yourself completely missed my passing of that lame humor. wink

Good try, though. You almost gave me a "burn".
Posted: Sun, 22nd Apr 2007, 5:21am

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You call a year recent? I suppose you say $7000 USD is pocket change, too? =P JJ.