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Posted: Sat, 28th Apr 2007, 10:21am

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This is a trailer for a new film called "call me a psycho" it's a comedy and a remake of a film we made 18 years ago, thought it could do with an update.


www.superteam.biz/psychotrailer.wmv
Posted: Mon, 30th Apr 2007, 2:28am

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Wow! It looks great! I was very impressed by the actors, as well. It had a sort of 'Shaun of the Dead' / 'Hot Fuzz' look and feel to it.
Very professional, very impressive!

Cool!
Cheers.
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Posted: Mon, 30th Apr 2007, 3:29am

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Good job! Nice acting. Convincing news report. It's alot better then I could do...

I know it's not exaclty regular for a guy like me who is not as experienced in filmaking as you to give advice and critic to you but here it goes...

The sound kind of sounded fake. Cartoony (if you will) and was not very convincing.

The fight with the bars (or crow bars) with the cop and the sycho looked very rehearsed and unrealistic.

At the end of the trailer the credits (or whatever you call those) zoomed out from the camera just like the text did. So it looked like apart of the plot line. I was trying to read that and listen to the voice at the same time. I had to re-play it.

Anyways over-all it was pretty well done. What camera did you shoot it with? Great job! and like I said, 'It's alot better then I could do...'
Posted: Mon, 30th Apr 2007, 5:25pm

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Thanks, very valid points, didn't think of those.
Sometimes it's too easy to get too close and advice from someone else is always welcome.
Thanks once again
Posted: Mon, 30th Apr 2007, 10:30pm

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Very good. I thought that the quick scene of the big key-chain was pretty funny. Also, as Thrawn said the crow-bar fight scene looked rehearsed. But it looks cool, do you have an idea of when you'll be completing the film?
Posted: Mon, 30th Apr 2007, 10:46pm

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i liked the look of this trailer...introducing new stars along the way...
if you full film is as cool as this then you'll have a hit on your hands.
Goodluck with this and future films.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 6:54am

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Hi

The film (90 minutes) will be edited and is having a premeire at 20th century fox screening room, during the making of this film I've been lucky enough to meet a lady that used to work very high up in warners, she's getting Icon films, 20th, warners and sony to attend the premeire, i'm sure they won't be interested in buying the film or anything but it will be the closest i've got to showing the right people.
Due to the above I've made sure i've not put any specail effects in the film, i've been told they let my films down sad
Also, being a bit cheeky i'm putting a trailer of the cowboy film i'm shooting in june on the start of the premiere, that film I hope they would like to buy as it's a fair size budget film that needs to earn money back.

Remember it's not what you know sad it's who you know sad
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 7:40am

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Hey, Question: How do you manage to make all of your films so long? It seems like you've made a couple 30 minute+ films now.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 8:59am

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Some odd editing in this trailer - for example after the line "Do you want some drugs?", at which point it looks like it's cutting do a reverse, but instead appears to be a completely separate scene. Also confusing with the scene at the start of the guy jumping over the car/railing seeming to indicate that he's the psycho, then the end of the trailer indicating that the guy in the white shirt is...generally a bit of a jumble.

Use of the term 'psycho' seems a bit strange, especially from the newsreader. But, then, I presume this isn't intended to be a serious look at mental health issues. I've never been particularly fond of political correctness, but this does seem to have something of a naive, Daily Mail-style 'hang 'em all!' attitude which sits a bit uneasily with me.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 9:03am

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Hi,

I want them long, I have made a few just under 30 minutes (the old stargate ones) but from a business point of view I think it's easier to sell a full 90 minute film than a short 5-10 minute.
Also when I sit down to watch a film, I want to watch it and enjoy it as long as possible, sitting down to watch a 10 minute film is too short, only just opened the popcorn.

So I write the script with 90 minutes in mind, (most of my stories are over complicated and take 90 mins to explain.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 9:13am

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Thanks tarn, I have to agree the trailer didn't turn out that good, your right with the cuts, even catches me out, strange didn't notice when editing but after it was online I noticed it, again one of those things where you are too close to the project.

Don't worry about political correctness, (I done that in my last film Superhero Harry)
This film is a family comedy, possibly why you feel uneasy, the word psycho makes people think it's going to be one of those dark crappy (in my view crappy) films, when infact the target viewer for this film 6 years and older, so a real fun family film.

I remember years ago watching nightmare on elms street and going to school telling friends about it, knowing i wasn't allowed to watch it, I wanted the same feeling for kids, I want kids to think this is an adult film that they are supposed to watch and talk about it at school.

It is almost a direct copy/remake of the orignal version we made back in 92, it won the surrey comedy award and I had rank copy 70 vhs tapes and we sold them all, the feedback we got suggested that kids and adults loved the film, thus the reason for the remake, it's a simple film to shoot, this time around you'll see the actors are more proffessional and I hope to have got rid of the boring bits.
If you want to watch the original

here is the link
http://hillbilly.diinoweb.com/files/callmeapsycho.wmv

thanks, always welcome your comments.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 10:01am

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This trailer was enjoyable in an easy-watching, baffling kind of way.

60% of the scenes failed to contribute to the trailer meaningfully. Its as if you felt that providing irrelevant ancilliary stories (such as a model being photographed over an altar? What?) would make me want to watch the rest of the film. Or perhaps you didn't have enough meaty footage to use?

Its just confusingly pointless, basically. I feel like I ought to have gleened something tantalising from those scenes...except I know i didn't.

Nice typo in the credits by the way: "Executive Producder".

I'm still waiting to see you create something with decent production values. I'm certain you have it in you, but you always have some excuse for why your productions look half-arsed or incomplete. "Family Fun", "Just as a laugh", "Local film festival" etc are only good enough excuses the first time around.

I appreciate that film-making is only a hobby for you, obviously you're starting too late in the day to make it a career, but if I were in your shoes, with so many films under your belt, I'm sure I'd have tried to really push myself by now. You don't appear to have done.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 10:27am

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Thanks Xcession, but as you say you haven't made any films, I've took your points onboard before when you commented on my other films in the same way, but I now believe unless you have made a fun film then i'll have to ignor you comments, sorry.
Now if you had made many films and know how to shoot etc, then I'll take your advice.

Thanks for the note about spelling, if it's got a spelling mistake then you know it's mine and you'll love the film. smile

The real production you are waiting for from me is the cowboy film, that my friend is where actors are paid to turn up, will learn there lines and i'll have freedom to shoot what angles i like.
If I may give you some advice, making a fun film relies on your friends turning up, relies on people in the street not walking in front of the camera, relies on the planes that fly over every 30 seconds, relies on a script that can be shot, eg, not worth having in the script, sitting on a boat, if you haven't got a boat, so then writing the script comes down to where you can film and not where you can not.
Feel free to spend a day with a film maker, then spend a day with them editing, then and only then will you know that making a fun film is a little harder than you think.
I've seen you comment on so many films, giving your words of wisdom, just spare a thought for the film maker and the process he has to go through just to get the first scene in the can, by doing those days mentioned above it would really help you and the film makers on this site, you can then say you know what you are talking about.

Having re-read my post it comes across as if i'm being rude, i'm not just saying you are more than welcome to come along on one of my shoots and spend a day with me.
Thanks
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Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 10:37am

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Thanks Xcession, but as you say you haven't made any films, I've took your points onboard before when you commented on my other films in the same way, but I now believe unless you have made a fun film then i'll have to ignor you comments, sorry.
Right, so because I haven't made any films, the fact your trailer was muddle and made little sense to me, as your audience, can be ignored? Strange.

Regarding your "advice" (which falls on deaf ears, but thanks all the same) I couldn't really care less about what goes into making a film any more than I care about what goes into making a cake. If the cake tastes crap, I'll ask for my money back. Even if 3 million pounds and 2 decades of work went into making the cake - if it still tastes crap, then i'll have an appreciation for the perseverence of its cooks, but it still. tastes. crap.

In the instance of this particular trailer, I haven't faulted your locations, camera work, cinematography or anything technical really - just the content. "knowing what i'm talking about" goes no further than the simple, observational skill of knowing that what I saw makes no sense. I need no further education or training.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 11:15am

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I knew you'd reply like that.
It's common sense, If you like to comment on peoples films, then having a better understanding of how things work is only a good thing.

If you can't see that then sorry and your always right.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 11:40am

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Well I could understand what you are saying if xcession was giving technical advice but he isnt.

The altar thing is a bit out of place, its like its a punchline to some joke that you haven't told us yet.

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Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 11:41am

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Heh, I'll stay out of the above discussion. Reminds me too much of having an argument with one of my pupils. wink


I liked the news shot. That looked really high quality in terms of production value. Good lighting, good framing, good everything (Well, I didn't like the acting, but in terms of the filmmaking it looked like very high quality)
Unfortunately, the rest of the trailer wasn't even close to this level, apart from the one shot with that old dude, which looked really good too - and that guy has a fantastic great face.

Those two shots showed that the quality *could* be there, as they really had it.
Maybe you can put as much time and quality into your film as in those two shots, that would be great. (I know it CAN be done, because I work with the same background and I know what I'm talking about - just to make sure that won't face the same funny dismissive argument as xcessions) smile


And B4 is right about the "it's easier to sell a feature then a shortfilm" thing. That really is the case. Marketing wise, shortfilms are really difficult to find an audience for.
Though as an audience, I myself care most about high quality. So I'd rather see 10 minutes of high quality then 90 minutes of lesser quality. But as an artist, I prefer doing features too obviously, because they allow for so much more. It's a difficult choice.


Good luck with the film and your cowboy movie. I'm curious to see what you come up with having that kind of budget.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 11:58am

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Sollthar wrote:

Good luck with the film and your cowboy movie. I'm curious to see what you come up with having that kind of budget.
Thanks Solly, my main concern is getting all shot in the correct time, also as you once said when you move up you friends turn a bit funny, i found that out last night, a guy that is due to be in the cowboy film for 2 days, offered to take the 5 days off work to be there and film the making off, good idea but then he wanted to be paid for the 5 days days, even when he was giving us 2 days free to start with.
You was right, money seems to change people.
I'd like to shoot the film on the panasonic HD pro camera but I won't have enough time to learn it and for the full 5 days i'd need a few hard drives and might struggle to justify the costs.
Oh what have i got myself in for sad heeellllpppp
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 12:08pm

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Personally, I didn't think this trailer was very good at all, I can deconstruct it techincally, but I will wait for another time to perhaps do that, one strong point is the general cutting and editing isn't right, some shots could be tweaked so cinematically they deliver a stronger misc-en-scene and the 'news' report was terribly lit from a key light on camera left. Studio lighting is neutral and natural, 'enhanced' if anything. I'd improve key areas of technical film-making before diving into making a feature with money, needless to say Ian, if you enjoy it, keep doing it, I enjoy watching your work, I just feel if you took a step backwards and did some reading up on the subjects of lighting, camerawork and directing shot for shot, you'd discover a whole new arsenal.


Has your cowboy script been greenlit yet then Ian?
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 12:50pm

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You sould do some colour grading.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 12:57pm

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If you like to comment on peoples films, then having a better understanding of how things work is only a good thing.
Unquestionably and I completely understand.

There are however things in life that are so wrong even a layman can tell they're wrong, whether its a news presenter turning to the wrong camera, an iceskater failing to land a jump, or a scene added to a teaser that seems irrelevant. You don't have to be a professional [whatever] - you just know something wasn't right. No amount of background information will make it "not a mistake", it'll just give you an incite into why it might be difficult to get right.

If you can't see that, then I too am sorry and you're always right.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 1:22pm

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b4uask30male wrote:


I'd like to shoot the film on the panasonic HD pro camera but I won't have enough time to learn it and for the full 5 days i'd need a few hard drives and might struggle to justify the costs.
Oh what have i got myself in for sad heeellllpppp
It still sounds to me like you need a producer to manage you and your shoot. People always assume producers take money for nothing, but in this case they (if capable) would help calm the project down, help you make some comprimises (and decide which to make), settle on a kitlist, sort out who's paid what and when, agree rates, blah blah blah.

My 2p - shoot it best-quality DV or better still digibeta if you can't afford HD (bearing in mind HD really pushes up your post costs too). Tell your mate you just want the 2 days, you haven't suddenly found enough to pay him for 5. If he wants to charge you for those 2, make sure it's in line with his value (look at the BECTU/PACT rates) to your project. 90' is easier to sell than 10', true, but it's a lot harder to get right. Get a core unit (director, producer, DoP) assembled and benchmark/storyboard exactly what you're after between you. Then the Dop and Producer will tell you the bits they think you can't do for the money, and make suggestions (don't be precious, all film is comprimise as you seem to know already). If your American chap is giving you money for this, spend it wisely, keep a load back for post, make sure your chain-of-title is covered, and agree the deliverables in advance (35mm print with 5.1 surround or HDCAM SR master with stereo audio or digibeta stereo/mono) to save the inevitable tears caused by misaligned expectations.

Oh and for my money, the difference between a 'fun' project and a 'good' one is usually money - money will buy you experience/expereinced people, but by making your own stuff, you're building up your own experience anyway. Maybe you might want to specialise a bit so you can build experience in just (say) direction, and let others play to their own strengths?

hth smile
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My main comment on it is after about the fight scene you seem to spend to much time fading to and from black to see what's going on.
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I haven't actually seen the trailer yet because I'm at work on my lunch break and the firewall won't let me but I wanted to make a few comments anyway.

I do feel for anyone brave enough to post their movies on the FX Home site as the criticism expressed is sometimes harsh and unconstructive. I can fully understand why people feel the need to pre-empt the flack with excuses as to the quality of their work.

The vast majority of the FX Homers are amateur film makers and I don't mean that disparagingly, I mean it factually - we make movies in our spare time because we enjoy it, we are not employed as camera people or directors. When you look at their ages many FX Homers are still at school. However it seems that people's films are compared to multi-million pound Hollywood films with crews the size of a small village and then criticised for failing to match up.

I haven't seen a post on here where someone has submitted a film and said "I'm the greatest film maker in the world, prepare to be amazed". If they do and it's pants I'd be the first to point out their over-confidence. However many posters are young film makers showing their first efforts. Let's help them, not scare them into hiding. There's nothing wrong in making movies just for fun. We should support these people, rather than condemn them for not wanting to work full time in the movie industry.

I feel very sorry for Ian as he is a genuinely enthusiastic film maker
who is out there making films for little or no money (and indeed is now looking at the prospect of a budgeted production) and who has had his films shown on some of the satellite tv channels in the UK. Yes they're not perfect but I am sure he knows that too. But there are ways of raising faults in a helpful way and there are ways that are not. I think this thread has examples of both.
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 2:06pm

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Well the main point of the cinema is to help each other make better films so people tend to pick fault without wasting the time on the rigmarole of softening the blow. If you look at it from that point of view then very few comments are especially harsh.

The problem though is when people cant take that criticism and use it constructively but rather make a lot of silly excuses and become defensive. It only invites harsher criticism where people are trying to get through to the filmaker in question.
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petet2 wrote:

I do feel for anyone brave enough to post their movies on the FX Home site as the criticism expressed is sometimes harsh and unconstructive. I can fully understand why people feel the need to pre-empt the flack with excuses as to the quality of their work.
I don't see it that way at all. Generally the criticism seems very fair and constructive at FXhome - often it's actually a bit too kind, which doesn't really help anyone. Compared to, well, just about anywhere else on the Internet I've been to, it's a very friendly, safe place to show your work.

Problems only really arise when people consistently fail to take onboard what people have said. It makes constructive criticism difficult, as before viewers even post comments they expect them to be dismissed out of hand, which leads to a certain exasperation, especially when the criticism is intended to help/improve the work.

As you say, most people at FXhome.com are amateur filmmakers, which is something we actually love here on the team. We've had the pleasure of watching many filmmakers, young and old, progress from absolute beginners through to very polished and ambitious productions.

I don't think anybody is comparing Ian's work to multi-million pound Hollywood films. They're most likely comparing it to his earlier work, which received almost exactly the same kind of criticisms, few of which seem to have been properly addressed. Which is why this exact same discussion crops up each time - when people take the time to download, watch and comment on a film, it's frustrating to see those comments largely ignored.

Given that Ian is progressing to a new stage in his filmmaking career, namely working with large budgets and (importantly) other people's money, it's vital that people be honest and open if they sense areas that can be improved.
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Sorry didn't mean for this to get this long, the only reason why I commented back to xcession is because he didn't read my posts.

I replied to tarns message (first page) saying I agree with Tarn and the trailer is not that good.
Once I mentioned that I though xcessions comments about me not pushing hard enough to make it was a bit below (well a lot below the belt) and I took that a bit personal, those that know me and even those that don't have seen me post on here before about me quitting my day job to persue film making, i'm sure xcession doesn't have a family and thus would find it easy to do what he wants, but in the real world I think i've done what it takes to the max of my skill and abilty to get what I want.

Sorry sad

ps. i did do some colour grading, but do remember back in the days (before pc's one would have to imagine the colour, people i do think get hung up on the colour correction stuff, it's just another tool)
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A question to Xcession - I am genuinely curious: you are clearly a long standing member of the FX Home comunity (I bow down to the size of your sabre) and own all the FX Home products but you say you don't make movies. What do you use the programs for?
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petet2 wrote:

A question to Xcession - I am genuinely curious: you are clearly a long standing member of the FX Home comunity (I bow down to the size of your sabre) and own all the FX Home products but you say you don't make movies. What do you use the programs for?
Xcession was one of the founding members of FXhome, back in 2001. He's since moved on to forge a successful career in high-end web design but still actively beta tests, moderates and indulges in other ineffable behind-the-scenes gubbins.

More details can be found on our amusingly gossipy Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FXHome
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Thanks for that link.

I came to the FX Home party pretty late on after getting a free copy of Alam DV on a PC magazine cover disc a couple of years ago. It's interesting to see the history of the company and how it has grown.
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fxhome is a great success story, One day fxhome should either make a documenty on themselves (i'd love to see it)
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I want Edward Norton to play me. wink

Going back to your movie, b4, when will the full thing be available? Will it be available via download or other means?
Posted: Tue, 1st May 2007, 9:33pm

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b4uask wrote:

i did do some colour grading, but do remember back in the days (before pc's one would have to imagine the colour, people i do think get hung up on the colour correction stuff, it's just another tool
Actually, if I may be so bold to correct you, color grading is neither new, nor limited to PC's. smile

Like with every other filmmaking aspect, color is a vital part of telling your story and selling your image to a potential audience for numerous reasons and has been examined from the time film actually had color (before that, it was the science of shadows and lighting that dominated).
Claiming it's "just another tool" shows you have a distorted understanding of the process, so I recommend you do some research on the subject.

You was right, money seems to change people.
It always does, yes. Making a film purely for fun as a hobby or dealing with a budget are two entirely different things.
Posted: Wed, 2nd May 2007, 6:23am

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Tarn wrote:

I want Edward Norton to play me. wink

Going back to your movie, b4, when will the full thing be available? Will it be available via download or other means?
The full film should be finished by end of june, we have a premeire set up with some heads of warner, icon films and sony coming to watch it (someone in the film used to work with them) so i'm not expecting the companies to buy the film, but it's a nice thought that they will be there watching it.
I'll try to sell it to smaller distributors, the type that take low budget films, failing that as with my other films i'll send them to tv stations etc.

Failing that I'll have a lot of shinny tea coasters smile