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Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 6:31pm

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So it comes out tonight at midnight. What you guys think it going to be like and what do you guys think of it. I'm going to try to see the midnight showing at my local theater.
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 9:44pm

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me and my friends are going to see it tomarrow looks pretty cool. I'll put what I thought about it tomarrow.
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 10:56pm

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I'm going to see it tomorrow too. I traded hours with someone at work so I could get off earlier and get a better show time. smile
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 11:14pm

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I'm going to see it tomorow too. It looks soo awesome!!!
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 11:15pm

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I'm not going to get to see it this week and I'm pissed off mad long story short: My friend's dad said he would buy some a week ago but decided to wait till today to see if there were any left wall so now i have to wait till Sunday at the earliest
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 11:22pm

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That's not a problem when you live out here in Maine where the closest theater to us is twenty minutes away and they don't start selling tickets until half an hour before the show starts. smile
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 11:24pm

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LOL! yeah. well I've waited this long. I guess a few more days can't be that much more painful
Posted: Thu, 3rd May 2007, 11:55pm

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Swiss premiere was two days ago. smile


Hehe, one of the few instances where we seem to get a movie BEFORE you guys.

I didn't go see it yet though, will go tomorrow night.
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 12:00am

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Catching a midnight showing of it tonight.

unfortunately I do have to work in the morning... good thing I trained myself to graphic design in a sleep deprived stupor. wink
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 9:58am

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WARNING FOR SPOILERS AHEAD
I sat down with great expectations, I didn't care much for the trailer but I really really liked Spiderman 2 and I think it's one of the best superhero movies... ever. And my god this is a depature from Spiderman 2, in the wrong direction! The film has it moments, but more bad ones then good.
The introduction of the new villians are silly, one falling from the sky and one randomly falling into a hole? Wheres your imagination guys?
Sandman works okey, I mean Thomas Hayden Church is absolutly fantastic as Sandman and I would have prefered to see more of him then a bunch of unneccecery things in the movie. Venom dosen't work at all, the "character" isn't given enough space either as black Spiderman or as Eric Forman.. uhm I mean Eddie Brock.
This movie should have focused on more importent things then Emo-Peter Parker dancing and being all John Travolta or alot unneccecery scenes with Mary-Jane and that stupid french waitress.

What I also dislike is what they did with Harry Osbourn/Green Goblin. They pretty much destoryed everything they built up with Harry and him taking revenge on Spiderman from the first two films with a couple of lines in the end of the second act. First half of the movie the development of Harry is great, cause he's pretty much the only character that we get to see develop and change from the second film.

The acting is pretty solid as in the first two films, but the script is nowhere close which makes some scenes almost embarrasing to watch and some stuff dosen't work at all. Like in the last scene after the fight, when Peter Parker is falling into tears - people in the cinema was laughing!

This movie is a rollercoaster, too much is going on but he two and a half hours go by very quickly. It got some great looking scenes but too many bad ones, from what I can remember Spiderman 2 looked alot better, you can litarly tell when it's going over to a 3D stunt double and back again.

So yeah, as you might understand the movie didn't do much for me.
I would rather watch Spiderman 2 or even the first one then seeing this again

Well enough bashing, i'm looking forward to hear others thoughts.. I wonder if anyone here will prefer this over previous films?

Andreas
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 5:58pm

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Well I think what we saw of venom was really good apart from the 1 or 2 shots where he talked with the symbiote over his face. We just didn't see enough of him, and there wasn't much of a rivalry between brock and parker before he suddenly wanted him to die.

I like the fact that the venom symbiote itself is mysterious and unexplained but I totally agree that the sandman falling in a pit where they were rotating some things for no good reason was poor.

Also the whole bit about gwen liking peter was cut down to MJ pretty much pointing it out over dinner.

I quite liked the harry plot but it jumped from one stage to the next too quickly again that was another part that could have been explored much more.

There was far too much MJ stuff and it started to drag for me a bit in the middle. It seems as though thats what they decided to make the meat of the film and everything else was just wrapped up in as few scenes as possible for convenience.

The humourous bits were great though.

To me this could have made a great 2 parter with say the harry and sandman plots filling most of the first. Setting up brock as a big rival and introducing venom as a cliffhanger. Then the second could be the whole MJ speil moving onto much more venom and the end of the harry plot.
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 6:34pm

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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

That's not a problem when you live out here in Maine where the closest theater to us is twenty minutes away and they don't start selling tickets until half an hour before the show starts. smile
Where in Maine do you live? I live in southern Maine (Wells in York County).
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 9:58pm

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Saw it.

Reminded me of Star Wars Episode 2 in many ways: Excellent visuals, thrilling, but one of the most ridicolous screenplays I've seen in a while with characterdevelopment that just makes every grown person giggle.

It was entertaining alright, but please. It got embarrassing. Oh, and needless to say, the US flag shot got BOOed out in the cinema, which was the most fun thing about it, heh.

But I'm sure it'll be similarly successful as Episode 2 and the kids will love it. But it's a pretty dumb film, that only manages to keep an average end rating because some stuff is really funny and well made. crazy
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 11:14pm

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I enjoyed almost everything about it, minus the MASSIVE misstep in humor tried for with the Walking montages and dancing. I almost couldn't believe they had that entire section of....absurdity. It nearly took me out of the film. Luckily, The rest of the humor was spot on, Not to mention the rest of the film in general.


Also of note, the CGI spiderman no longer looks like he's made of putty.
Posted: Fri, 4th May 2007, 11:49pm

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All the people I talked to (all teenagers) didnt like it at all. I'm gonna see it anyway. Lol.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 2:08am

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Sollthar wrote:

Oh, and needless to say, the US flag shot got BOOed out in the cinema, which was the most fun thing about it, heh.
Well that's not very nice wink.
(Just kidding btw)

Sollthar wrote:

But I'm sure it'll be similarly successful as Episode 2 and the kids will love it. But it's a pretty dumb film, that only manages to keep an average end rating because some stuff is really funny and well made. crazy
Yeah, if I remember correctly, that's pretty much what they said in this review.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 2:25am

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My 12 year old self who saw the first Spider-man is crying right now.
My 14 year old self who saw the second Spider-man is stabbing himself in the face repeatedly.

That was the most I've ever been dissappointed by any movie ever in my life.

Hated just about everything about it. I tried to give it a chance, I really did... but it was just too painful. By the time I finally decided to walk out, the movie was over randomly, which was the best part about the experience.

If I were to see Sam Raimi tonight I'd kick him in the balls and ask him what the hell he was on when he cooked this one up.

The estimated 500 million dollars spent making this movie should have gone to feed millions of people for the rest of their lives in some third world country, but no, it was wasted on the most dissappointing piece of crap I've ever seen.

As you can probably tell... I'm a little pissed having just seen it... confused So i'll give my full review once I've calmed down a bit.

PS: Please make a poll for this so I can vote that it was horrible using numerous disposable usernames.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 2:26am

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I liked it. All of my friends said it sucked, but oh well. I gotta say, I laughed my ass off when spiderman tossed his hair back like an emo. I didn't like Venom's voice what-so-ever. They should of made it more deep like the game for the PS1. Now that I think of it, there was SO much crying in that movie, dear God.

[Edit: This is definitely one of those go-see-it-with-your-girlfriend movies.]
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 3:45am

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I thought it was generally good in all areas. Whilst I wouldn't have done with three characters, it's obvious to me that Raimi (who probably only wanted Sandman and GG2 from the get-go) worked with what he had/what the studio wanted.

Either way, the selective storytelling for each villain and PACING of the movie, where Superman Returns failed, MADE this movie. I thought the pacing on the whole film was terrific, and really balanced the baddies in what could've been a Batman and Robin (1997 film) moment of too many evils. Every point seemed well-executed and generally in-style with the other two films. While the rivalry between Brock and Parker wasn't as long as I would've liked, it still felt genuine and not like the wrap-up-fight-forgot-what-the-movie-was-about-Fantastic-4-rushed-style. Venom was done spectacularly (except the first talking part), as was the shift in James Franco's character. (who I thought did the best with his role, where you really could see the changes inside him)

Overall, the movie was great. No, terrific. And the previous movies being outstanding should have no negative-comparison effect on what I see as a proper and finalizing end to the great movie tale of the amazing Spiderman.

The emo stuff: Yeah, sure it was embarassingly cheesy. But you know what that showed me? That a character-deep 40 minutes can be followed by 15 minutes of whacky dancing fun.....in a Spiderman movie. That may not be true drama or action, but it was goddamn entertaining. And you wouldn't believe the number of people who turned to an 'emo' movie patron beside them and laughed their arse off at how ridiculous Parker looked and how ridiculous the people in the audience looked.

And by the shots of the women giving him an unexpected grimace, I think that was the intent.

Maybe the Venom ending wasn't your cup of tea, or felt too added-in, but I don't think it was Raimi's either. And if he intended this to be the last (since, it basically seems like it, despite S4 talk), I'm sure he couldn't get past the studio without adding Venom in. And with that addition, I think the whole movie still worked just fine. The characters didn't ever seem thrown in, and even when Sandman did, the terrific flashbacky-stuff made up for it.

GG2 worked, as far as I was concerned, PERFECTLY and precisely into the story. Not what I would've done, granted, but again, the execution of it: great.

Rating? 8/10.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 4:52am

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The thing is that venom had to be in it because, don't forget, thats what turned spidey into an emo and sandman had to be in it because of the guilt of killing the other guy thats essentially fuelling it.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 5:33am

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I saw it tonight and the more I think about it the more I hate it. The writing was horrendous and I thought the editing/pacing were off throughout most of the film. There were just way too many unnecessary scenes and not enough character development. Harry was really the only character that I liked. Also, I felt the visuals were really dodgy and looked exceedingly fake especially in the first half.

Oh and Kirsten Dunst has hairy arms. razz
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 5:39am

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Atom wrote:

A HUGE REVIEW
Rating? 8/10.
Yeah, I agree with EVERYTHING Atom said. Saved me a lot of typing time, so thanks biggrin

I was thoroughly entertained by this movie, and really the only part that made me cringe was Brock's voice coming through Venom's face... not good. (But the shrieks rocked)

Fun fun fun
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 2:19pm

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I thought this movie was horrible. It was almost X3 in badness (though not quite).

This honestly had some of the worst writing I have ever seen in a film. I went in with amazingly low expectations, but even those were blown away in the wrong direction.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 3:38pm

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What's with all this "bad writing" mess? Perhaps the story was convoluted, but I thought the writing was top notch. It mixed the zany, witty dialogue of the 1st movie with the raw dramatic writing of the second.

The bridge scene with MJ and Peter some people in the audience snickered at, but most were all touched by it. It felt genuine, and that's why the writing worked for me. Also, as always, Peter and Aunt May had some well-written conversations about life and such.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 3:54pm

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Superman Returns failed to build characters? I think not. They showed Lex Luther's steps of his evil plot quite well.

Anyway, other than that, I completely agree with Atom. smile
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 3:59pm

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Well I thought it was entertaining. Nothing special, but I wasn't looking for anything monumental in the thrid installment of a blockbuster comic franchise. I'll give you the dialogue was poorly written and the emo nonsense was bizarre, but I think everyone's being to harsh on it. Spiderman was never supposed to be about anything deep or dark or thought-provoking... it was old-fashioned stylized action, and it wasn't afraid to be big or mean or over-the-top. I love how the lightning, music, and costume design still feels retro and comic-bookey, its adds to the effect of the movie. As for the acting on Mcguire's and the villain's part, they all showed their transitions well. It was over-acted, obviously, but it stayed in keeping with the style of the movie. Spiderman 3: it's not Schindler's List but you can still enjoy it for what it is: cheap thrills for the audience, expensive thrills for the producers.
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It's strange that X3 keeps being brought up as absolutely horrible, when I thought it was really entertaining.


Although, spiderman 3 wasn't that "walk out of the film blown away" that i expect from a summer blockbuster. I'm saving that feeling for Transformers or the Bourne ultimatum. It's almost impossible one of those WON'T do it.
Posted: Sat, 5th May 2007, 7:31pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070505/ap_on_en_mo/film_spider_man3
LOS ANGELES - Hollywood's biggest superhero now has the biggest box-office debut.

"Spider-Man 3" took in a record $59 million domestically on opening day Friday, breaking the previous all-time high of $55.8 million for "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" in its first day last summer.

Sony Pictures, the studio behind the "Spider-Man" franchise, also reported Saturday that the movie took in an additional $45 million overseas on Friday for a worldwide total of $104 million, a record for single-day grosses globally.

Sony spokesman Steve Elzer said executives at the studio declined to comment until estimates for the full weekend are available Sunday morning.

By then, the "Spider-Man" franchise could reclaim the record for best three-day opening ever. The first "Spider-Man" pulled in $114.8 million domestically in its debut weekend in 2002, a record that stood until "Dead Man's Chest" shattered it with $135.6 million last July.

In a news release, Sony said it expects "Spider-Man 3" will come in around the $135 million to $145 million range for its first weekend.

"That's why they call him the amazing Spider-Man," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box-office tracker Media By Numbers. "Just five years ago, these are numbers we thought we'd never see."

"Spider-Man 3" opened to record numbers in some countries as early as Tuesday and expanded to other locations over the next few days. Elzer said figures for the film's total worldwide haul since Tuesday would not be released until Sunday.

The film, which cost $258 million to make, already had a record going into the weekend. It opened in 4,252 theaters domestically, topping the previous record of 4,163 set by "Shrek 2" in 2004.

"It certainly doesn't hurt to have that much shelf space devoted to `Spider-Man,'" Dergarabedian said.

"Spider-Man 3" stars Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker, who becomes the web-slinging superhero after a bite from a mutant spider endows him with special powers. The new film reunites Maguire with director Sam Raimi and co-stars Kirsten Dunst as Peter's girlfriend Mary Jane and James Franco as his old friend Harry, now a sworn enemy who blames Spidey for his father's death.

Along with two new villains ( Thomas Haden Church and Topher Grace), Spider-Man battles inner demons after an alien entity turns his red-and-blue suit black and he's tempted to use his powers for evil.
Posted: Sun, 6th May 2007, 2:03am

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I personally liked the film overall. Yes there were a few parts like the Dancing that were a bit odd. They could have filled some of that montage with helpful information for character building. I also felt that the whole beginning was a bit... off. I don't know how to explain it, but it just felt like there wasn't a nice flow to the first half hour or so. Perhaps introducing two new villians and having Peter get taken over was too much for one movie. What was up with Harry and Peter fighting at Harry's apartment? I thought a lot of that was pretty bad. Not cheesy-bad like some of it, but just not too exciting. I also believe that Brock was just overreacting a little bit...

But on the good side. I really liked Harry's role in the film. I was relieved when the Butler finally said something, I thought it seemed odd that he never noticed anything weird going on in the house....
I really liked how when Peter first learns that the Sandman killed his Uncle and they show the scene in Black and White. And then at the end they show how it really happened to his Uncle in black and white again. It really made you feel a lot more for Sand-man's character. Also, I liked how MJ and Peter don't get married at the end. With all the bad stuff they went through, it would seem too weird to get married.

I don't know if I liked it the same as 1 and 2, but I did think it was entertaining and it was nice to finally wrap things up. I think it will probably get better when veiwing it another time as well.
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Just got back from watching the movie. Great movie. Not my favorite but still Great. The fight scenes were amazing! I loved how they had a 2 VS 2 fight in the end. Though I do not think they should have killed off harry. The emo-dancing thing was to much. They went a step to far with that. Like all super-hero films Spiderman never seemed to be bothered in the long run with all the pain ( Example, His head being smashed against wall countless times, being stabbed and slashed, being thrown through windows, etc )

Over all I would give the movie

9/10
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I thought it was great, in fact, better than the first two. The only thing I think could have made it better was if the climax would've had some more fast-paced combat like in the second one had.



DavidLittlefield wrote:

Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

That's not a problem when you live out here in Maine where the closest theater to us is twenty minutes away and they don't start selling tickets until half an hour before the show starts. smile
Where in Maine do you live? I live in southern Maine (Wells in York County).
I live in Waldo County. smile
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Dude, I hadn't even heard of that County until now. Haha, shows how much I know about my state. This is off topic now, but it's always nice to meet a fellow mainer, ayuh!
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Jeezum Crowe, you mainers and your Mainisms. (I spend my summers in Waterford, not sure of the county. wink )
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What about Cabot Cove?
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SPOILERS

So I sat down in the theater and the previews played. The preview for Pirates 3 was better than the final movie, of course. The movie started and the Marvel logo came up and everyone cheered... this was one of the only serious times anyone cheered during the film... Then the opening credits came up. Just a mishmash of bad effects and images reused from the first 2 films. Whereas Spidey 2 did this in a creative way with an interesting drawing style and images that actually mattered, this seemed more obligatory and not as creative.

This movie was not scored by Danny Elfman... and it shows. The opening music was rather mundane, not loud enough, and not exciting enough. It left me cold rather than pumping me up like the other 2 openings did.

The first parts of the movie were kind of bland, which normally wouldn't be a problem if the titles hadn't already been lackluster. I fail to understand how Spidey only became a hero in NYC btw this film and spidey 2. This film supposedly takes place only a few short weeks or so after the second film, whereas the second film took place almost 2 years after the first... Why'd he randomly become a huge star with a supposed movie deal or something in a few weeks?

Sandman's creation was weak. His whole character was weak, as a matter of fact, with Thomas Haden Church turning in an unusually bad and distant performance, but I can't buy the "is running from cops, then jumps a fence with barbed wire that the police obviously can't get through, falls into a convieniently placed deatomizer or whatever the hell it was, where the scientists doing a test are so dumb they don't mind if anything gets in their experiment to mess up their results, and oh yeah, how did that locket survive the deatomizing process?" reasons for his creation. At least Green Goblin and Doc Ock had a plausible creation scenario.

Eddie Brock and Venom were handled horribly. Topher Grace was overacting the whole time, and it didn't help that he was given some of the worst lines of the film. There was no buildup for his character at all.

Harry Osborn should have been the only good villain of the film, but he to was screwed up by the writers. The whole LOL AMNESIA thing I would expect to see on an episode of Smallville or something but not in Spiderman 3. It was weak and contrived. When he finally comes to, you think "alright, here we go, he's gonna cook up some awesome scheme to destroy Peter and Spiderman once and for all!"... What does he do?

He breaks Peter and MJ up! BOOHOO! (Everyone was laughing at the scene on the bridge). Wow, talk about a sinister villain. The ensuing fight btw emo spidey and Harry was ridiculous. I couldn't tell whether they were going for humor or not. The music was zany and didn't fit with the badassishness that should have been going down on screen but wasn't.

The speech by Harry's butler was the stupidest, lamest thing I've ever heard. We have Harry, under the influence of the green goblin serum, who's already insane, and who's had a personal vendetta against Spiderman for 2+ years now, nearly killed him a few times now, and now Spidey's even been an ass and burned half his face off... and all of a sudden, by a few brief words from his butler, he changes his mind and DIES FOR PETER! WTF? Not to mention, the butler has known about his obsession with spiderman for a long time now (theres a scene in spidey 2 where he tells him), so why is he waiting till NOW to tell him about the wound cleaning thing? Not to mention the entire end scene where he helps Spidey was the ultimate corn. Harry just seemed out of character the entire movie. Everyone was also laughing out loud when Peter started crying for Harry.

So the trailers made it seem like Spidey will embrace his dark side. I was waiting to see this. I never did. Unless you call Spidey's bad ass side an emo hair flip, a whiney teenage mentality, and the ability to dance like John Travolta in Saturday Night Fever or Grease only gayer... I think these 15 minutes in the middle of the movie speak for themselves. At the part where Peter comes out of the shot with new clothes on and does pump thrusts (yes pump thrusts) my girlfriend said that "it's official, Spiderman is dead", and everyone else around us nodded and agreed.

This movie tried to do too much with too little time. I was afraid of this after seeing the trailers and my fears were confirmed in the worst way possible. On one of the commentaries for the first 2 films, Raimi discusses how for a while, Doc Ock was a part of Spidey 1. This was later changed to give more time to develop the Green Goblin character more. Black Cat was originally in Spidey 2, but this was again changed to give more breathing room to Doc Ock. This is what allowed the characters to breathe and made them 3-dimensional. You feel for Doc Ock and GG when they die, or you actually understand their problems. Raimi and crew decided to throw all this out of the window for the third installment.

Venom is given no time to evolve, and when he does, it's so quick its not believable. He has a rivalry with Peter, okay, I get it. Peter gets him fired... all of a sudden he's praying for Peter to die? No. Raimi is a self proclaimed old school Spidey fan, and it shows that he didn't handle Venom well at all. Since there's inevitably going to be a Spidey 4, this movie shouldn't have included venom... maybe have Eddie Brock and build up some rivalry, but no venom. He only even looked cool in 2 shots with his tounge sticking out.

Sandman is also not believable. His daughter is sick. At the end scene when he tells Spidey that "my daughter was sick... I needed money...", someone in the audience yelled "WORK FOR IT!" and everyone laughed and cheered (the whole theater hated the movie with me). And the stupid "I forgive you" moment was unbearable, especially followed by Sandman turning into sand and floating away... horribly corny.

Sandman also led to my BIGGEST problem with this movie... YOU CAN'T CHANGE SPIDEY'S ORIGIN. When they did that they undermined the entire purpose of the first film and most of the second film.

SPIDERMAN IS SPIDERMAN BECAUSE HE LET THAT CRIMINAL GO WHO LATER KILLED UNCLE BEN. That guilt is what drove him to fight crime, to become who he was meant to be.

"With great power comes great responsibility" means absolutely nothing now that it was Sandman who accidentally killed Uncle Ben.

Once they did this in the movie and I realized that it wasn't just the trailers playing tricks with me, I realized Spiderman was indeed dead.

Well all that wrapped up in a too long presentation with lackluster visuals and bones thrown by Raimi to the fans to try and make them not notice the horrible writing and story led to the biggest disappointment in my movie watching career.

I am a huge fan of Spidey 1 and 2, but this completely shat on everything that was good about them and turned it into a Fantastic Four level project. I can't believe the same people that did the first 2 did this one... Its sad too that most of the problems I have with the movie are things that the crew mentioned in commentaries and interviews for the first two movies as being things they avoided at all costs (too many villains, altering spidey's origin, etc).

Wow that turned out being long... but when a movie rapes your childhood and your love of filmmaking, you tend to have a lot to say.

Oh, and the American flag would have been cool if the rest of the movie had been good, but as it stands it's a piss-poor representation of the US.

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Oh yeah, and the "lets team up to beat spiderman lol" thing was lame cause Venom never even fought Spiderman before, why would he know he can't beat him on his own... I thought the whole point of the symbiote was to make him feel more confident, and powerful, not run to Sandman, who everyone else but Brock apparently thinks is dead.

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In just about every thread that I've seen on FXhome about a movie, most of the people don't like the movie. Except for the TMNT thread where I was just about the only one who didn't like it.
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Spoilers

I just saw it.

I went into it thinking to myself, yea it got bad reviews, but hey i'm a big spiderman fan i can probably handle this film.

What was I thinking?

The opening seemed to be waiting, holding its breath for the movie to actually start. If there had been an incredible middle, the begining would have been fine. But it fell flat. Completely flat.

The movie was simply badly done. The dialogue was not good. It had uninteresting and easy to predict plot points. The second Harry came in at the end with those bombs he was throwing at sandman, the guy next to me said "he's gonna die". Duh.

And why? Why did he die for spiderman? He could easily have knocked the spear thing away. I can only assume Raimi was trying to make it seem like Harry wanted to die, for all the hardship and strife he's had and all the terrible things he did blah blah blah. If he was going for that, he failed.

When Parker started doing pelvis thrusts, I almost lost it. WTF. Why would a suit make parker look like some cheap gigilo? The way he was dancing around the streets like a complete fool, pointing and whistling at women walking by.

And the whole thing in the Jazz club. The one cool thing about that scene was that Tobey was actually playing piano pretty well. Never knew he could play.

The movie ended with no feeling of closure. I'm shocked anybody could defend this movie, especially Atom whose opinion i've always respected.

I was desperately trying to enjoy, trying to block out the epeople laughing at spiderman when he was crying, and the rediculousness of sandmans creation, and aunt may's fortune cookie wisdom, and MJ's rediculously boring character made worse by her sterile screams she manages to pull off hundreds of times during the film. But i couldn't enjoy this film, i couldn't even tolerate it.

And the ending! Why was there that thrown on funeral scene? The movie was ready to end with MJ and Parker over Harry's dead body with the sunset behind them. It was a great image and the movie felt over then.

I wasted my money and my time.
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Wow, spiderman really did suck. Atleast it was entertaining (I laughed during the majority of the movie--especially when Tobey tried to cry, he is the worst "crier" ever).
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The Jazz Club scene came directly from The Mask. Or, at leas it seemed like it.
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hm... I enjoyed it... but I recognize it's flaws.

I think what will ultimately make or break this film with a viewer is whether or not they are willing to accept the cheesiness of it all. Even in an established cheesy franchise... this movie takes the grand Gouda... "Jazz anyone?"

This movie... it had problems... and the weird thing is that they are the polar opposite of the problems the first movie had. The first flick had tons of great story and skimped on the action... this one had tons of great action and skimped on the story. What little bits of plot it did have peppered throughout were coincidental, contrived, and unsatisfying... except for Harry's story... I felt like he was the only character that had their story begin and end in a justified way.

I think really what could have helped this movie immensely is if they had done away with the symbiote and venom. It just didn't come together properly. Save that story for a different movie (with a different director that actually likes Venom). In a perfect world they would have left out the black suit... handled Harry's story a little differently but ended it the same... and turned Sandman into a tragic villain like Doc Ock was before him. The sick daughter thing was brilliant but totally underused. I think also we could have survived one Spiderman movie where MaryJane doesn't get kidnapped at the end.

Overall... it was a good popcorn flick... but Spiderman should be more than that.
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I Can only say this, more Venom! I enjoyed seeing him but I hated it how they kept pulling the mask away so he could talk. He looked better and sounded better with the mask on. You could really think at one time that it was Vemon. But no they kept pulling the mask away. Plus the destory the story line. Wasn't venom sent to another place in the comics?
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Generally, I enjoyed the film. It had the feel of a Spider-man cartoon special, complete with paper-thin characters, predictable story, and corny dialogue. As a movie, it does essentially fall flat; and lacks the depth and realism of the first two Spidey flicks. However, as an entertaining comic-book story, I found it successful.
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Dude, I hadn't even heard of that County until now. Haha, shows how much I know about my state. This is off topic now, but it's always nice to meet a fellow mainer, ayuh!
Ever heard of Belfast? smile That's waldo county.
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I thought the pelvis thrust was hilarious. How does a geeky, goofball kid like Peter Parker get agressive in his pursuit of women? Pelvis thrust. Try it. It will get you laid.

Overall I think this movie had a lot of good scenes that just needed a little more time to settle in together. My biggest gripe is that they had sandman in the movie. Sure he showed the "forgivness" theme but they also could have done that with Harry. Venom should have came in earlier, Harry should've turned into New Goblin later. They just really needed to take their time. Another thing that really disapointed me is that it didn't end with a swinging sequence. That's honestly what made me fall in love with Spiderman is that super long shot with the heroic-triumphant music.

6/10 IMO
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Hmmm some harsh words but understandable. I saw this film and IMO really loved it. I think there was alot put into this film....but not too much.
I liked the way the film has been spread out and the way the humour creeps in and out. The only thing that bugged me slightly was the fact that i found out that they have signed up to do another 3 films! I mean, i love all the spiderman films so far, but making 6 in total seems a bit too much.....but that might just be me. It worked for starwars but i don't think it will for spiderman.

9/10

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WOW! I saw Spiderman3 the night it came out at 8:00 with a bunch of my buddies. The effects are great and there are at least three plots. But the rating guy for my paper rated it a 1 and a half stars outa 4. No surprise here! He hasnt given a rating over 3 stars in 2 years! But it was a great movie, action packed, full of effects and a twisted plot to keep every spiderman lover watching. An instant classic 4 stars, and Id definitely reccomend seeing it!

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It's nice to know I'm not the only one who liked it. smile
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For all those of you who liked it, go back and rewatch the first two movies. You'll realize how bad Spidey 3 is.

I did and all my feelings were completely reaffirmed. Spiderman 2 was so unbelievably excellent that I had a smile on my face the whole time, knowing that this is what a real Spiderman movie should be like.

The effects actually looked real too, unlike the 3rd film, which had some really hokey looking scenes (harry vs peter at the beginning of the film, etc.)

This movie somehow personally offended me and I'll defend its suckitude to the death.
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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

It's nice to know I'm not the only one who liked it. smile
Quoted for emphasis
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I saw the movie, it was AWSOME!!!!! cool eek Nothing better than seeing the third and spectacular sequel to the Spider Man serie.s
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Evman wrote:

Spiderman 2 was so unbelievably excellent that I had a smile on my face the whole time, knowing that this is what a real Spiderman movie should be like.
Funny, I was doing the same thing.....when I watched Spider-Man 3.
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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

It's nice to know I'm not the only one who liked it. smile
I like the movie too, But like every movie that I like, I do find a few things wrong with it. but I look pass those problems and enjoy the movie in a whole. Spider-man 3 was a good movie in a whole, Sure I found a few things wrong like Venom needed to be in the movie more or Peter being turned into a emo, but I look pass that and I enjoyed the movie as a whole. It was funny and it was made to be funny in some parts.
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I like the movie too, But like every movie that I like, I do find a few things wrong with it. but I look pass those problems and enjoy the movie in a whole. Spider-man 3 was a good movie in a whole, Sure I found a few things wrong like Venom needed to be in the movie more or Peter being turned into a emo, but I look pass that and I enjoyed the movie as a whole. It was funny and it was made to be funny in some parts.
thank you for saving me the typing
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I dont know why people are comparing it to 1 & 2.....its Spiderman 3....its a movie in itself. I'm glad its different smile GOOD FILM razz
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Well I mean there's a reason it's being compared to 1 and 2 and that's because this really SHOULD have held together as a trilogy. While I definetly feel the film didn't live up to it's potential, I think it's being panned for some pretty stupid reasons, one being Peter Parker's mad sexy moves, and Mary Janes singing, which I didn't feel was that bad.
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Kyeju wrote:

Mary Janes singing, which I didn't feel was that bad.
Their somthing I didn't think about. in the movie they hated her singing, yet it was good. If they wanted her to sing bad they should of made her sing bad or screwed up in the middle of the song.
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If i remember right then it wasn't her singing that she got bad reviews for but her projection of her voice. Oh well, maybe I remembered wrong.
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But I'm sure it'll be similarly successful as Episode 2 and the kids will love it. But it's a pretty dumb film, that only manages to keep an average end rating because some stuff is really funny and well made. crazy
I think this is the best summation of the film so far, dunno why I missed it until now. The movie is all flash, no substance.

And are you serious about keeping it a seperate movie from 1 and 2? It had all the same characters, led right off after the 2nd, and had flashbacks to the first movie... You can't possibly think it's independent of the other two.
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i was overall disapointed, i almost walked out half way through from the "cringe" factor of peter being such a complete twit. only thing that alowed me to watch the rest was belief that there had to be a great fight sequence at the end.

The fight was pretty good but with 4 villans the CGI looked worse than normal.

generally, if they went for the higher paced feel of the last 2 it would have been better.

a reply to a comment made earlier about SW EP 2: at least star wars had a better storyline and a sequel!!
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Evman wrote:

Sollthar wrote:


But I'm sure it'll be similarly successful as Episode 2 and the kids will love it. But it's a pretty dumb film, that only manages to keep an average end rating because some stuff is really funny and well made. crazy
I think this is the best summation of the film so far, dunno why I missed it until now. The movie is all flash, no substance.

And are you serious about keeping it a seperate movie from 1 and 2? It had all the same characters, led right off after the 2nd, and had flashbacks to the first movie... You can't possibly think it's independent of the other two.
Stop saying the same thing over and over, man. We get you didn't like the movie, no one has refuted that, and you still told us all why. Believe me, I know how a bad movie feeling can linger inside and make you want to get all defensive of it's 'badness', but seriously.

I'm sorry you didn't like it. I'm guessing, though, without seeing Spiderman 2 you would've enjoyed and regarded it a lot higher.

Ben saw it again today for free because this thing for free movie passes to 28 Weeks Later was full, and he's said the good of Spiderman 3 really shines through in a second viewing. The editing, which I liked the most in S3 (and really, all the Spideys) Ben said was a strong point that he noticed more the second time around.

I came out of the theater not with a memorable feeling per se, but with a feeling of conclusion and resolution in the Spiderman franchise, and I liked that.
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I'd say eveman has made his points pretty clear. The movie was all flash and no substance, and it didn't fit together with the trilogy.

Every second of Emo-Peter that I saw on screen i was disgusted. I couldn't believe my eyes, it was almost like a parody of spiderman was being played instead of the real thing.

Atom wrote:

I came out of the theater not with a memorable feeling per se, but with a feeling of conclusion and resolution in the Spiderman franchise, and I liked that.
....what...?

I dont even know how to relate. the movie had NO sense of closure NO conclusion NO resolution. After spidey kills venom by wacking some poles together, he cries over his friend-turned enemy-turned friend-turned enemy-turned back to friend-again-because-of-something-his-butler-said's dead body. Come on, what a rediculous ending. harry dies for essentially no reason, he could easily have stopped venom from killing spiderman w/o dying. But no, he has jump in front of that spear thing to save spidey. uh huh. got it. And then he turns his head to the side, closes his eyes, and dies. what an unconvinsing death.

After being disgusted by venom/harry's demise, and then seeing MJ classically tearful and then Tobey's rediculously messed up crying-face, the movie fades out over a sunrise with the entire NYC city scape. ending? I think not. We get some puny little funural where Peter gives his little end-of-the-movie pep talk.

Conclusion and resolution? What!?!?

The ONLY thing about this movie, that has any merit, is Sandman. It was pretty amazing seeing a 2 hundred foot monster tearing up buildings. But as was previously stated, thats all just flash. whats the substance? some cheesy sick daughter thing and killing uncle ben by accident etc etc etc.

I could rant about everyone else who said they liked it, but its late. Don't take it personally Atom, you were just the last person to post.
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Point being: SGB is rather easily disgusted.


If it didn't have to compete with the other films in this franchise, then it would have been better received. Quite simply put, This wasn't as cohesive and focused as Spiderman 2.


But it was quite better than 1.
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Really liked the film. Aomw faults, but overall I really enjoyed it.

I've read through most of the posts here and some of you really are overly critical of the film. So it wasn't your idea of 'perfect'. It never could reach the level that people were putting this on prior to it's release. It's the same with every film ever made and every film that ever will be made.

One thing I laugh at is the way certain people talk about technical and filmmaking aspects. I don't see how you are in any position to judge. Really, get over yourselves.

I could pick apart posts with counter arguments, especialy relating to the sandman etc. But I don't want a flame war.
You also have to remember that the studios have a huge say in what goes in to a movie. It's not 100% on the director.
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I agree with Vengar. People are being a little overly critical.

It wasn't a brilliant masterpiece. I didnt think it was as good as 1 or 2. But I enjoyed it. And movies are just supposed to entertain for the most part. Sometimes I wish I hadn't gotten into making movies myself because I now recognize a lot more flaws than I used to. So I try to just sit back, relax and enjoy the good parts of a movie, and thats what I did. I hope no one here gets discouraged from watching the film, if you haven't seen it yet and you like S1 and S2, go see it!
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I agree with alot of the stuff that has been said...Visuals were awesome - story was weak etc etc etc
all in all... i will sum up my general feelings towards this moving with 1 word...


Meh.


-MAGIC
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Atom wrote:


Stop saying the same thing over and over, man.
Man, this movie was so bad.
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Evman wrote:

Atom wrote:


Stop saying the same thing over and over, man.
Man, this movie was so bad.
I think voicing our opinion is great but I really feel you're exaggerating this movie's 'badness' a bit too much.

Yes, Spiderman 3 had plentyof flaws, but it wasn't that bad. It was alright. The likes and dislikes of the movie weighed each other out. You said some of the effects were poorly done and that the Harry Osborn plot wasn't performed well. Those two points were my favorite parts of the movie.
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I personally also thought it was very bad. I dont understand how they can spend $260 million dollars on something like this and not make it better. Spiderman 3 wouldnt be anything without Spiderman 1 and 2, and as a series goes on, the public expects the movies to get better. There was a kid in the movie that said "Wicked Cool!" Are you kidding me? Sure, the fight scenes were cool and very well done, but they should've spent more time on the script--the most important part to any movie.
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Anne wrote:

I personally also thought it was very bad. I dont understand how they can spend $260 million dollars on something like this and not make it better.
Do you really not understand this?

This is not an independent film where extra funds can go towards dollies and such that improve quality overall, this is a big studio feature that already has all the tools for filmmaking it needs. All the extra budget does is help to put everything on a grander scale with bigger effects sequences, more extras, larger locations, and generally a broader scope of imagination to create things from.

It's a very stereotypical thing to say "I don't know how they spent so much money on such a bad movie", but if you look at it, the things that money was spent on (actors, editing, camerawork, effects) were all pulled off pretty damn well.

So before you go with the crowd of negativity on this one, actually think through what you're saying and make sure it makes sense.
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Ben, it made perfect sense.

Yes, those individual elements were good (the actors are questionable but forget that for now). But those individual elements don't make up a good movie, as you know well.

I think Anne can understand how its possible to spend that money. What she probably meant was she can't believe that people could be so foolish as to worry so much about huge expensive things, and then forget about whats actually important.

I feel the same way. Its simply mind boggling that 260 million dollars went into the peice of crap i saw in theaters. and yes, i don't mind calling it that, this movie simply sucked. Now Ben, don't come in now and say "the movie didn't suck, it had all these great elements!" because elements have to work together to make somthing good called a MOVIE. And as a functioning MOVIE it sucked. And thats not just in comparison to the other movies. This movie practically made fun of itself. I can honestly say that i've seen movies on fxhome that i enjoyed more and i thought were better that spiderman 3.

The money was phenominally wasted. Money that could've fed thousands of starving people all over the world. That pisses me off.
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The money was phenominally wasted. Money that could've fed thousands of starving people all over the world. That pisses me off.
This is what pisses me off the most about people's bad attitudes towards movies; is the gross skewing of fact that goes on.

Surely this is an allegory for something, but come on now. Spiderman 3's budget money could've fed thousands all over the world? You think movie producer executives would do that, give their money to a solely humanitarian, non-monetarily-lucrative cause?

Yeah, I seriously, seriously doubt that.

It's foolish statements like this and Anne's (or at least the wording of hers) that make it seem as if you're skewing your argument to make more people sympathize with it. If you want to slam the movie, that's fine, I'm sure myself and many on this fine website are more than capable of constructing a pleasing and didactic retort; but to say stuff like this is just bogus.

I think you're a pretty cool guy, SGB, and I don't want you to at all take this personally; but when you put your statements this way, you're just asking for a rebuttal.

Perhaps saying "I can't believe they used 260 million. For that same amount, thousands could be fed." or something to that extent. Right now, it seems like the money was just waiting to go to Africa or somewhere until Sam Raimi earmarked it for Spiderman 3.
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I hear what your saying Ben. I did make it seem like the money spent on the movie could have fed many people; clearly the money spent on the movie wouldn't have gone to africa or some other charity. I was simply drawing a comparison between the two.

Obviously the money would not go to africa. But the thought that 260 million was spent to on such a movie when that much money could do so much more ... thats what i was trying to say.
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Anne wrote:

I personally also thought it was very bad. I dont understand how they can spend $260 million dollars on something like this and not make it better.
EDIT:
... It's annoying that they could put $260 million into a screenplay that I consider to be very weak.

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In my opinion, Hollywood doesnt like trying very many new things, they like to repeat what people have liked in the past. That's why there are so many series and remade movies! If a series continues to be well made, then fine, I dont care. I just expected more out of this Spiderman.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the next Batman, and I hope [and am pretty sure] it wont be as much as a disappointment as this movie.

That's my opinion, you can agree or disagree, but I dont want to argue anymore about my "wording".
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Why do you even want to argue Ben? You liked it, others thought it was shit. There's nothing to argue about.

I definately agree with Anne, I think it's odd an executive would greenlight a script as bad as spiderman 3's with so much money. Then again, it's very understandable: The film make tons of money, no matter how crap it is. It's Spiderman. So who cares?




To me, the Spiderman movies got gradually worse. Spiderman 1 was my favorite, then Spiderman 2, then Spiderman 3 that goes very close into "worst films I've seen in a theatre" territory, if it didn't have some really good bits too that save it from there.

Oh Evman almost summed up my exact thoughts. Scary.
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I really get the feeling Sony should never have released the budget numbers for this to the public....It's not doing them any favors.
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Definately, yes. Having a "most expensive film ever" label on you will raise expectations. Quite understandably I might add.
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I don't think anyone was suggesting that money was taken away from feeding children in 3rd world countries ben, merely that the money could have gone to better use. On the same note I don't think the fat cats who funded the film really care about the quality of the outcome as they are in the business to make a profit, and a profit it will make, regardless of how good/bad the film is.

As for the film, when I was a youngster watching the spiderman cartoons and reading the comics I absolutely loved the sandman and venom characters, for that reason I made an executive decision not to watch this film (until it comes out on DVD anyway). I would like to see carnage thrown in the works somewhere but I seriously doubt it will ever happen, not in the same way he was in the comics anyway.
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This is a tad off topic, but did anyone else think that Maryjane was a glorious pain in the arse?

I have been wishing since Spiderman 2 that Peter would hook up with the girl across the hall. The sweet one that makes him cookies. She obviously has a thing for peter.

Whereas Maryjane and Gwen very much want to shag Spiderman and peter is just the middle man.

opinions?
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Sollthar wrote:

Why do you even want to argue Ben? You liked it, others thought it was poo. There's nothing to argue about.
I think there most certainly is.

When people like Evman and such disparage the movie exhaustively, it calls for a defense from those who actually liked the movie. I'm sorry if you're mad I took people's statements the wrong way, or tried to, but the fact that my post is rated down I find pretty pathetic; considering it's merely an argument in favor of the movie.

It's not like several other haven't devoted a few posts to their diatribes on the movie, I see not why my posts in particular are to be skipped for a strongly-worded difference of opinion.

But I'm done taking up forum space. I'll leave this one for private messaging.
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well, i saw spiderman 3 yesterday after my car broke down on the motorway and i ended up staying in some back of beyond town with a cinema that had only two screens and decor from the fiftys.

what a complete and total let down. dont get me wrong, the special effects were very well done, however the rest of the film was just complete dross.

i found myself laughing at the bits you wern't meant to laugh at, and cringing at the bits you were supposed to.

worst bits

1 that stupid dance routine
2 the god awfull usa flag bit
3 the goblin turning good.

by the end of the film i couldnt help but wish i was still stranded on the motorway rather than in that seat.

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2 the god awfull usa flag bit
Sorry if I'm not getting something here, but what makes the "USA flag bit" god awful? Sounds pretty anti-American to me, and that just shouldn't be tolerated on FXHome, or anywhere else for that matter.

So you're saying that because in one shot of a movie with several hundred shots has an American flag in it- which, might I add, are all over New York- it makes for a "god awful" feeling?

Spiderman, and pretty much an other prevalent superhero, is an American. That's where he lives, that's where this movie was made. Sorry to shock you, but we fly our flags from time to time. Unfathomable, I know!

Sorry if you guys in other countries don't have good superheroes (Captain Britain doesn't even begin to count! biggrin), but the US and perhaps Switzerland have everyone beat.

Maybe I just don't follow....
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American flags are god awful per se.... Didn't you know ben? wink

Well, the shot did actually get a huge response here too. Laughter, yelling, occasional loud "boos". The usual. Which for me personally made the scene even more hilarious then it was already. smile

Though even anti-patriotism aside, the whole flag bit was just randomly cheesy.
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firstly i would like to say i'm not an anti american, far from it.

i am fully aware that spiderman is an all american hero, as is superman and the rest of them.

however for me it just feels " to much" to have good old spidey standing in front of the stars and stripes, as i said most people are aware of spidey's patriotism, we dont need it drawing in out in crayon just in case we didnt already know.

and its clearly not just me that feels this way, as solthar wrote "the US flag shot got BOOed out in the cinema, which was the most fun thing about it, heh."

i'm not attacking you on a personal level, or any american for that matter, please dont take one comment and make me out to be an anti-american person who is not welcome at fxhome.

according to oscar wilde patriotism is the virtue of the viscious. razz

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Ben... I'm not even sure how you misinterpreted that initial statement as anti-american. That bit was awful... it was stupid and out of place.

"oh lets pause the action for a bit to show the cheesiest fricking sentiment we can muster"

Its certainly not that you simply enjoy arguing/causing trouble is it? wink
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The american flag bit was rediculous. I'm american, and proud to be one, and have nothing against american flags. But it was just so random, so out of place, it was funny in a cringing kind of way.
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Yeah I'm just about as patriotic a person as you can get and I thought it was the stupidest thing.

Sure it could have been good, had it not been so blatant (for god's sakes the thing took up the ENTIRE background), so unnecessary, and had the rest of the movie not sucked so much ass that it completely disrespected America by association. The US is filled with whiny little emo cry babies who can't dance or even walk right for that manner.

Again, I encourage the watching of 1 and 2 again. The more and more I watch those, the more and more I'm able to block out 3's existence entirely out of my mind.
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Rating: +2

I've been on a self-imposed hiatus from all things addictive like Fxhome due to exams, but I have to jump in here. There's been a barrage of critical abuse against this film and it was so difficult to ignore that I went into the cinema expecting a really bad movie. That tarnished my first viewing of it really, but in no way was it near the depths of X Men 3. And moaning about masks being off frequently - that's just being incredibly picky. Musicwise, I liked it, I found the dark trumpet theme particularly good. After my first viewing, I loved it but found myself overanalysing. There's so much going on that it is easy to write it off as a jumbled mess. But on the second viewing, I was able to enjoy the whole thing again, and see it made sense, that it was actually rather good apart from...

I love stuff people hate like the dancing in the street and jazz club. I was absorbed in the conflict between Mary Jane, Peter and Harry, and it depicts relationships well. This movie goes in brave directions I think, showing different aspects to what it is to be a superhero. Peter turns into a bit of an ass, getting egotistical, playing up to his fans and press. And when MJ speaks of her own problems, he chips in with obnoxious anecdotes about his alter ego as well as not thinking how she might feel about him kissing Gwen Stacey. Loads of people have rolled their eyes at these parts, finding such reactions on the part of MJ annoying, neurotic etc but it really isn't. It's a fairly accurate portrayal of human emotions I've seen in my own and friends' relationships, and I've known plenty of people who've been afraid to communicate or admit failure especially to those they love. Hearking back to this realism, the kitchen scene with MJ and Harry was also very natural. This sensibility throughout the film is also why Harry chooses to hurt Peter emotionally.

MJ/Kirsten Dunst seems to have a lot of "haters" around but I've always thought she was perfect. Where she finds out she's been replaced, then exits the theatre to huge applause is really good and very touching - she goes from pleasure to huge disappointment when she realises it's not intended for her. This is key for MJ's character development. She's upset because she realises she might never step out from Peter/Spiderman's shadow, she might never have an identity where people will cheer her name too. So resentment builds up on her part. Also, the whole storyline with the critics rounding on MJ seems perhaps tongue in cheek and meditative on fandom's reception of Dunst's portrayal of MJ.

The dancing makes sense. Dr. Connors made an allusion to the symbiote being similar to something found in the 1970's, so I thought it was a rather fun extension to that idea to have Peter gliding down the street and grinding his crotch. It's not camp, it's geeky and what Peter would think was cool if he happened to be high on the effects of a symbiote from the 70's. The cookie-munching, sexist Peter came from this too (as well as the uncaring one who shows up Eddie Brock). The jazz club scene works if you bear in mind the emotions going on. Taken over partly by the symbiote, Peter's mischievously malicious and shows off to MJ by bringing his new girl and upstaging her performance. Emotionally, this is all really sad because of what Peter and MJ are doing to each other. Again, in real life people who love each other sometimes say and do horrible things to each other.

Sandman and Venom stories: On first viewing, these are the stories I thought I had a problem with. They're new characters so felt awkward. I think if special editions of the trilogy came out, I'd introduce Sandman in the 1st film, with Peter being unaware. I'd also introduce Brock in the 2nd film. But I have to say, on the 2nd viewing it all made sense if you're just a bit willing to suspend disbelief and the coincidence that occurs. Sandman and Venom worked well together, both having strengths but only together did they seem capable of killing Spiderman. Venom's webs worked well in trapping MJ, and in the scene where he restrains Peter for Sandman to pound Peter with his huge fist. The symbiote worked well too to enhance Peter's dark side, which we see is already in him with his self-obsessedness. Sandman was amazing in general but needed a couple more scenes to develop perhaps.

The plotline that I have a problem with is the Harry one. I actually liked his amnesia. I found it poignant because Peter is able to have his old relationship with Harry back. So is MJ, because for once she sees signs of the guy she used to go out with for a while. I also didn't mind the switching from bad to nice to bad to nice. Peter and MJ do it too throughout the film. What I didn't like, which everyone else seems to agree, is the butler scene. That scene could be easily cut and the film would be hugely improved. It downplays Harry's character development. The film concludes with themes of forgiveness and choice, when it seems the biggest plot development in the film was advanced without either of these. Harry being told his father died by his own hand takes the elements of choice and forgiveness away and reduces Harry's vendetta to a mistake. Harry doesn't go to aid Peter and MJ because of choice, it's because his reasons disappear.

I think the first Peter/Harry fight could be cut down to allow for more characterisation of Harry and MJ, or Gwen Stacey and Peter. The female newsreader needs to go!!! But it really isn't as bad as you think it is, it just needs a bit more understanding and acceptance. The characters you know and love from the previous ones are still there, and are taken in great directions. It examines what makes Spiderman - certainly not egotism and murder, but empathy and forgiveness. It examines what makes a relationship - faithfulness, consideration, two people listening and being sensitive to each other. I had a lot of sympathy for the Russian girl, she's like Peter with a crush on someone from afar. But Peter and MJ are right for each other - he's always loved her and she showed she loved him in Spiderman 1 by saying it was Peter Parker she thought about when the Green Goblin had her. And it examines friendship. There's so many good moments, not least Peter saying "My my, Goblin junior...you are an embarassment to your father" - that was amazing. And Harry sacrificing himself for his friend was his ultimate demonstration that they were buddies once again. The Harry story is fine until the butler moment, but although that scene is horrific it's really not worth hating what is otherwise a good movie with lots of heart and fun. Wipe that scene from your memory, and all will be well.
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Ben just likes to argue guys. That's it. Don't take him or his arguments too serious. wink
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@ Mel:

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I just saw it tonight. I also think the American flag bit was a little too HOORAH AMERICA, but whatever. It's Spiderman.

I think this movie could have been cut down by 30 minutes or so and still work. I thought Venom was a pretty unnecessary tack-on addition, since he only really got one scene of action and then he's dead.

The movie should have been just the Sandman story, and done without Venom and more Harry crap. I think it would have been a lot more cohesive and less like they were just trying to cram stuff in. I felt like we'd already seen all the romantic ups and downs in the last two movies, and all the stuff with Harry was boring as well, and didn't seem to add anything. Gwen Stacy, while being a stone fox, was not at all necessary. The only scene that she really had to be in was the "Let's go to the jazz club and Peter will act like an insane person" scene, and that could have been cut entirely.

The sandman "origin" story thing was pretty retarded, other than cool special effects, and we never re-visit his family at all, so I really didn't give a crap about him at all. He just seemed like a big sand guy who's just there and not really causing that much trouble. They totally put him on the backburner once Venom arrived, and then the movie was over. Blah.

I give it 6/10. And bonus credit for ultra-hot Gwen Stacy.

Note To Producers: Please don't make another Spiderman movie.
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It's amazing, that Bryce Dallas (cause she was born here, w00t!) Howard.
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I saw spidey3 yesterday and left with mixed feelings.

I think I enjoyed it overall, but there were too many clumsily executed parts to walk away totally wowed. The dance numbers embarrassed me and Parker's emotions rollercoastered melodramatically throughout, even taking into consideration the effects of the symbiote. Too much was crammed into too short a space of time. It was certainly comic book in as far as the tone went, but it was still painfully shallow in the story telling. Like an entire run of comics had been condensed into bullet points on a single A4 sheet.

Venom ruled. Sandman was totally superfluous.
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ben3308 wrote:

Sorry if I'm not getting something here, but what makes the "USA flag bit" god awful? Sounds pretty anti-American to me, and that just shouldn't be tolerated on FXHome, or anywhere else for that matter.
Whatever happened to freedom of speech? If someone doesn't like a scene for whatever reson they should be able to express it without opression. Trying to censor people sounds pretty anti-American to me razz
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Aculag review is exactly what I would have written so I won't bother smile
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Nutbar wrote:

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? If someone doesn't like a scene for whatever reson they should be able to express it without opression. Trying to censor people sounds pretty anti-American to me razz
Haha, well it appears that I've taken it the wrong way in that apparently people didn't like it because it was cheesy, not because it was American. What Sollthar mentioned about the booing, however, really struck a nerve.

What "shouldn't be tolerated" is bigotry or demeaning judgments of someone or something over something they can't change; like race, gender, religion (to an extent), or country of origin/residence. Freedom of speech is all well and good, but there's a point where it becomes less discoursive and constructive, and more just a hackneyed expression of hate, as xaentia which shouldn't be allowed.

And that's why we have mods, who, in this case, have done a great job by ridding the forum of the posts that were out of line.

Now as for Spiderman 3, after reading what everyone has said, I agree almost completely with Mel. To me, the butler scene was okay, but it could've been conveyed in more subtle ways throughout the movie. Rather than someone bluntly TELLING Harry the harsh truth, perhaps he should've been shockingly exposed to it; as he was with Peter's identity in the knife scene of Spiderman 2.

Raimi could've put, oh, I dunno, several clues for Harry that made him mor eand more hateful of Peter until BAM the last clue shows that there's no reason to hate Peter. Something ironic and biting. I dunno.
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Thank you again to Mel. I agree almost 100% with you. I think seeing it a 2nd time will help me to appreciate it more.
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I went twice, and my second time I felt just like Mel did. It really presents itself as a better movie once you already know what's going to happen and you have time to look at the deeper aspects of the movie.
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Atom wrote:

It's amazing, that Bryce Dallas (cause she was born here, w00t!) Howard.
I was pretty surprised when I found out that, not only is she the blind girl from "The Village", but Also Director Ron Howard's daughter.
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What Sollthar mentioned about the booing, however, really struck a nerve.
Well, I didn't say I support it - I only say it happened and I thought it was funny. But the US don't have the best reputation here, to say the least. And patriotism is generally considered a verry bad thing. So hence you get reactions to an US Flag over here. Not ONLY because it was cheesy, but surely also because of anti-american sentiments no doubt.
You can't please everyone. smile
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man... Maybe I should just move. Get out of America.

I'm not terribly comfortable with the rest of the world hating me because of what the stupid government is doing. I don't agree with it... I don't want to represent it.

Especially a government run by a man I didn't vote for... oh and lets not forget the fact he really didn't win the fracking election.

Stupid electoral college.
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Anything about Spiderman 3 in there? Wait..............nope.

Don't leave simply because people hate you for no reason you can control, simply explain to them that their reasoning is disjointed or skewed angst towards something else channeled towards you. You have every right to defend your heritage, man, not condemn it.

Either way, back to Spiderman 3. It was awesome and even Marky-Mark-O can't deny it. wink
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I might watch it again on DVD someday. Now I know it sucks I might be able to enjoy the good things about it, which it definately had.
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I saw on the news this morning that the movie dropped 60%, which made me smile.

Yeah, like Sollthar, I don't plan on watching it in theaters again... I'm debating whether or not to actually get the DVD just to complete the set or rent it. I'm going to have to see the special features to find out what Sam Raimi was smoking during production, though.

Anyways, bring on Pirates 3, at least that won't try to take itself to seriously.
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sorry I got off-topic. I just get so frustrated sometimes. Especially in forums and such...

oh well... thats enough out of me. I'm done.
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Pretty major spoilers below

I went and saw it last friday with really high expectations (I loved the first and second one) and I must say I was really quite dissapointed. Still, it's a pretty good movie, and loads better than some other movies I have seen in my life so far, but I just couldn't get away from this movie without loads of stuff to think they could have done better.

The movie started really nice, even if I were a bit doubtful about the goo just coming from a meteor in the sky at the exact place where it just happened that Peter Parker and Mary Jane happened to be. It's a comic book I guess, but it felt kinda out-of-place. Then what really brought the movie down was after Spider-Man had destroyed Sandman for the first time and looked in the mirror. And changed his hair. Pretty much the entire audience (including me) started laughing at this point. Shortly after this, Peter Parker walks down the street doing his "stylish" dance moves. Right about here I think I said to my friend "What have they done to the movie?", and I basically stopped caring for what happened in the movie (which very rarely happens for me).

It also seemed they liked girls falling to the ground screaming, since it occured a lot of times during the movie. Venom was really cool, but he was introduced far too late in the movie, and I feel they really should have kept him for the next movie, or kept him as the main villain for this one and just removed Sandman.

Still, it was a enjoyable experience, but it just wasn't as good and exciting as all the trailers (and myself) had hyped it up to be.
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some things i didn't get were

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when eddie brock turns into venom at the church why didn't just attack spidermn then and there while he was weak?

why did he start dancing?

Why did he become emo half way through if you know what i mean, the hair change over the eyes, grouchyness, he seemed pretty emo to me

and there were loads more but i dont really want to sit here writting for hours but i was quite creeped out when he danced biggrin
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As probably mentioned before, there was a plot hole that really annoyed me and in fact, totally ruined the whole film.

The bit where harry's butler roughly says -

"Oh by the way harry, since your quest to kill spiderman is becoming a bit obsessive and no longer just a hobby anymore, you should probably know spiderman didnt kill your father.. did I forget to mention that?"

I thought that was totally lame, I bet harry thought, 'thanks a lot, half my face is burnt off now!'

If only harry had asked jeeves in the first place the whole thing could have been avoided!

grrrr
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Alfred > Harry's butler.
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Again, minor spoilers.

I must just add that there was one sequence I actually loved, and it's the scene with Bruce Campbell playing the french guy who works at the restaurant. Brilliantly acted by Campbell with comical timing, and that whole sequence with him rushing around with the champange was a lot of fun. The rest of the audience loved that scene as well, so that's the scene I remember most brightly from the movie.

Oh, and I remember the US flag shot. Everybody laughed at it because it was just so random and totally cheesy. razz
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People in the theaters that you guys go to seem very enthusiastic. Hardly anyone ever talks in the theaters I go to.
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The Bruce Campbell scene was the best thing about Spiderman 3! Agreed. smile
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Sollthar wrote:

The Bruce Campbell scene was the best thing about Spiderman 3! Agreed. smile
Better than the action scenes?

I really liked the fights between Harry and Peter myself. smile
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Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

Sollthar wrote:

The Bruce Campbell scene was the best thing about Spiderman 3! Agreed. smile
Better than the action scenes?

I really liked the fights between Harry and Peter myself. smile
Ahahahaha.
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Evman wrote:

Jabooza Clog Booza wrote:

Sollthar wrote:

The Bruce Campbell scene was the best thing about Spiderman 3! Agreed. smile
Better than the action scenes?

I really liked the fights between Harry and Peter myself. smile
Ahahahaha.
What was wrong with them?
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Evman is just determined to hate everything about Spiderman 3 razz
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The first scene in the sky with the ring just looked fake and CGI with too many impossibilities (how'd he catch that ring 29 times and it never touched the ground?), which is kinda inexcusable in a movie this expensive. The second fight in Harry's Mansion was funny because the music was cooky and zany and not serious at all.

I will give the movie one thing... the moment where Peter yanks the pumpkin bomb with his web back into Harry's face was kickass. The only moment in the movie where Black Suit Spidey was actually evil, menacing, and kickass to me (and he wasn't even wearing the full suit).

EDIT:
Bugclimber, let it be known that my last paragraph was written before I saw your post, so you can't say I hate it completely... just 99.7%. razz
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Evman wrote:

I will give the movie one thing... the moment where Peter yanks the pumpkin bomb with his web back into Harry's face was kickass. The only moment in the movie where Black Suit Spidey was actually evil, menacing, and kickass to me (and he wasn't even wearing the full suit).
YES. That part was amazing, and definitely the best part of the whole thing.
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Sorry for not being able to post without a pagefull of stuff. People would be discussing there isn't enough in the Sandman story if we'd had only that. Other than showing him stealing or trying to re-establish relationships with his family I can't see much to it. If you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandman_(Marvel_Comics) his story is made believable (as can be in a comicbook world, anyway). Again with Venom a good job is done when you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venom_(comics)

Evman wrote:

The first scene in the sky with the ring just looked fake and CGI with too many impossibilities...The second fight in Harry's Mansion was funny because the music was cooky and zany and not serious at all...The only moment in the movie where Black Suit Spidey was actually evil, menacing, and kickass to me (and he wasn't even wearing the full suit).
There are faults with the 1st sequence, but pacing rather than believability. This is a sci-fi film here. The 2nd fight was awesome. It's about the fact it's Peter and Harry and the things they say to each other, not so much that it's not as good as the Doc Ock train fight.

Peter is nasty in a real way. He goes against character by trying to kill Sandman as blacksuited Spidey. Do you really want to see Spiderman doing more bad things like robbing banks, killing innocent people, joining forces with Sandman etc? That would have complicated things a lot.

He became a huge star because he saved Gwen Stacey, daughter of Captain Stacey, prominent policeman. Sandman's creation? All the creation stories are farfetched but read the Sandman link above. He had to go near a particle facility and I don't see how else it could have been done. A lot of Spiderman villains are not plausible at all. I shudder at the thought of more Spiderman movies because the villains get worse.

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it was still painfully shallow in the story telling. Like an entire run of comics had been condensed into bullet points on a single A4 sheet.
Your're generally favourable about the movie and don't come down too hard on it, but I disagree that it was shallow. But I think you're absolutely right about the bullet points. I don't see how else they could have sieved out all the cr*p Sandman and Venom storylines and actually made it into as good as the film is. By good I mean if you thought it was bad, it could have been a hell of a lot worse. In the comics there are hundreds of variations on each character and people should be thankful they didn't do the Gwen Stacey dies, gets cloned and marries another clone storyline.
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The main cause for my "shallow" comment and the reason why it was like dry bullet points not a real story, was because various key things that happened in the film, happened with seemingly zero character development and hence no plausiblility.

It was the symbiote which contributed mostly to this problem - it apparently "enhances" feelings in the host, but this was used quite clumsily as a means of speeding up changes in character behaviour just to suit the film's running time. Not enough weight was given to the effects of the symbiote so with no real details about how the symbiote worked, it just made Peter and Eddie's changes seem completely unreasonable and more importantly - completely implausible. Of all the genres of film, for a sci-fi film to become implausible is pretty poor.

I mean the change from peter being nice, to being nasty was crammed into a 3 second shot: walking in front of a mirror and inexplicably pulling down his hair into an emo fringe. What a load of bollocks.

In fact, having previously said sandman was superfluous, looking back at it now his actions had more reason to them than any other character in the film. (even if his sandman mutation made him suddenly desparate, brutal and abusive seemingly overnight and without any character development (sic).)
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Good points. We also see nothing of Eddie Brock as Venom until the major plot point of teaming up with Sandman and then next time after that is the setpiece. So a lot of things do happen as plot points rather than development. I was going to criticise the movie because like you I have no idea still what the physical effects of the symbiote are apart from: black suit, black web goo, big scary teeth (as Eddie Brock). But I've just thought quickly about it and understand it a bit. Because its host was Spiderman for a bit, it took on some of his attributes and retained them for its next host. Without Spiderman, Brock couldn't have become the web-slinging Venom.

I agree though that there could have been some graphical description of the effects, maybe with CGI showing interaction between muscle etc, and maybe certain parts of the brain becoming larger. I think a criticism is that the film doesn't spell out things it needs to like saying the dancing, that's Venom. Otherwise people think (not suggesting you) Venom doesn't really appear until Eddie Brock as Venom, which is half an hour before the end. And they think the dancing is just the film descending into childish stupidity. When it isn't. So there!
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Yeah the dance routine was particularly poorly handled. I read a few of the comics in my teens and I seem to remember venom was quite cocky, arrogant and letcherous when bonded with a host.

As a result I "got" the dance routine, but only after it had passed. At the time I was honestly a bit baffled - it seemed more like the entire film had descending into a musical. The fact that the scene was meant to be illustrating something, completely passed me (and countless thousands) by.

This leads back to my original point: Parker's own understanding (and hence the audiences') of what venom was doing to him was only partially explained. The various bits where (in hindsight) venom was making Peter do something out of character, were always preceeded with an emotional scene showing dramatic situations that in effect excused Peter's bad behaviour in the next scene; so Venom was never really attributed to anything he/she/it caused.

At face value, what i've just written sounds a lot like the writers did a perfect job: Venom was completely "inside" peter and pretty much undetectible. The trouble is that the way they did it made no sense at the time and only resulted in the characters confusing me.

Even the fact that the black suit was venom wasn't particularly clear until he started to peel it off.

It feels a lot like the writers weren't sure either a) what venom did or b) how to explain it on-screen.
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I finally got round to seeing this on DVD, having inexplicably missed it at the cinema.

Contrary to...well, just about everyone's opinion - I loved it! Really, really, thoroughly enjoyed it and though it did a good job. It's got it's wobbly moments, as did the first two films, but overall I thought it was very enjoyable.

The CG was rather over-used, and the first fight between Harry and Peter was particularly ropey. It somehow managed to be simultaneously really impressive and technically sophisticated, while also being completely unconvincing.

Most people seem to dislike the handling of the villains, saying that there's too many of them and that not enough time is given to get to know them.

Personally I actually rather liked that - this film is very much about Peter Parker. The villains are there to force Parker into new ways of thinking, they're all about making him into a different/better person. The film isn't about the villains at all - they're just catalysts to drive Peter's story onwards.

This is, of course, very different to most superhero movies, the Batman ones in particular, whereby the films are basically all about the villains and the superhero almost gets forgotten. So I can see why it surprised and disappointed people.

For me, I thought it worked really well and tied up the trilogy in an emotionally satisfying manner. Also, the team-up between Harry and Pete at the end ruled utterly.
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I totally agree with you Tarn. It's nice to see from someone who actually enjoyed the film.

Just read today that they've got the writer from Zodiac to pen the 4th installment of Spidey so it seems as though number 4 is on its way.
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I actually just saw it too and wasn't as dissappinted as I thought I would be. I thought for the most part the movie was pretty good. The only thing I disliked was the street-dancing and jazz club scene for Parker.
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Hehe, I actually loved those bits. They were completely insane and bizarre, and clearly were Sam Raimi just indulging himself, but they really did make me chuckle. There's something about Raimi's super-cheese that gets me everytime. smile
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So when Michael Bay trots out another jerky-rotating-zoom-pan-explosion-seen-by-satelite, hes a cock, but when Sam Raimi faps into the camera for 10 minutes, its self-aware super-cheese? razz

While i did enjoy those scenes, i still think theres a fine line between overindulgence and deliberate cheese and S3 strayed way over into the former on several occasions.
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Absolutely! And I'm sure Michael Bay is also absolutely self-aware of what he does.

It's simply that I like what Raimi does, but I don't particularly like what Bay does. smile

My favourite bit in Spidey 2, for example, is the 'Raindrops keep falling on my head' sequence. Raimi does seem to be ever so slightly unhinged, and I rather like when that comes through in the Spidey films - partially because they're such massive blockbusters, and I really don't quite get how on earth the execs let him do it. razz
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I'm of the opinion that film is a medium for telling a story faithfully, not furthering the story-teller's personal campaign to merge film with cabaret razz

While Raimi himself could be praised for what he got away with, it doesn't mean that what he got away with should itself be endorsed.
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Another moment of awkwardness,IMO. Is that reporter talking about Spidey getting beaten up. I wanted to throw up on my dvd case.
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I've always hated news scenes. I've seen some films pull it off but then, most of them completely fail them.

Its nice to see Tarn's positive side to the movie. I've heard nothing but negative things from S3.

As for Raimi putting in his little "moments" into his films. Its his style. Like a rock guitarist has a style for playing a guitar, directors have a style for making movies. Its what makes him unique.

I also rather enjoy some of those quirky scenes. smile
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Scrap that I love Michael Bay! Give me Bad Boys, Transformers and The Rock anyday!
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I just saw this again on DVD too and I still really like it. One of the things I like about it is how it just feels so much bigger and more epic than the first two and it kinda does take a little bit of a darker turn.

On disc two they have a feturette about the stunts and its pretty cool just how much of them were real instead of CGI. The wire stuff is computer controlled and they fly the actor and the camera around in the air, so there's a lot of stuff that would normally be done in CGI that they were able to do with wires.

About the dance scene, I didn't really think it ruined the movie, it was pretty funny and it kinda shows how Peter's so full of himself and thinks he's cool but really isn't.



-Jabooza
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You can all read my opinion of this film again a few pages back if you wish. I have elected not to read it, because I have just about erased the entire experience of seeing this movie from my memory. Seriously, I can barely remember anything about it, other than it was terrible! razz
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And my opinion is just on the previous page. As usual, it's longwinded but swiftly put, I love Spiderman 3 and gladly bought the dvd a week ago. For me it's the most character-interesting Spiderman film, where all the characters are concerned, and everything makes sense.

I'll repeat it again though, the butler scene ruins the Harry-Peter team up, especially with the emphasis on "choice" at the end during the funeral scene.

Frosty G, totally agree. That English reporter is horrific. I have to block my ears every time she says "the brutality of it"!
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I just watched it on DVD. From everybody's reviews I was expecting it to be a plotless effects extravaganza. Instead, it was one of the best superhero movies I have ever watched. It was somewhat cheesy, but that's what you have to expect when you're watching a superhero movie. The plot was well-developed, and the battle scenes were all great. I won't write a longer review because I'm sure that after 9 pages, people are sick of hearing about it, but I don't see why everybody thinks it was so bad.
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Darth Penguin wrote:

It was somewhat cheesy, but that's what you have to expect when you're watching a superhero movie.
Why should you have to expect that?
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Yeah, I didn't really get that comment, either.

A superhero story/movie can be anything it wants to be. The fact that a large number of Hollywood's superhero adaptations have so far been cheesy doesn't mean that the superhero genre by default has to be cheesy.

Hollywood's not even begun to mine the amazing creative possibilities and narrative depth of the comic book world.

Here's hoping Zach Snyder doesn't cock up Watchmen...
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Well yeah, I guess you're right, but the story of Spiderman (and most of the other comic book adaptations that hollywood has done so far) seems to ask for a lot less realism than that of other comic books- like watchmen.
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Very true, but a lack of realism doesn't mean it has to be cheesy.
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Yeah, I mean look at Transformers. That could of actually happened. There weren't any cheesy/cliché moments in it at all.

I pray you catch the sarcasm.
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Suspension of disbeleif and cheesiness don't have negative connotations at all for me though. Nearly all of my favorite action and adventure movies require large degrees of suspension of disbeleif and you have to put up with lame one-liners throughout. But that's what makes them entertaining, their over-the-topness. This isn't to say I have anything against grittier, more kinetic action. (i.e.: The Bourne films, which I love) Real is nice, but big and epic is better even if it means sacrificing a little reality. Just my take on it all. (And I'm pretty sure there are a good amount of people with the same view around here.)