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The Smoking Ban

Posted: Tue, 8th May 2007, 11:55pm

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Well, on June 1 my city is passing a public smoking ban. There's been plenty of debate about it, but I want to know what everyone here thinks about this.

A simple statement of how I feel:

I don't support smoking, I avoid ciggarettes like the plague, but I only support the right to smoke.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 12:11am

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Well I quit smoking about five years ago but I think people should be allowed to smoke. Cars,Trucks and Buses haven't quit smoking so why should people. When they ban gas powered motors then thats when I think smoking should be banned as well.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 12:13am

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I don't smoke and I don't want to, but I HATE anti-smoking Nazis, people should have the right to smoke, it's not like they don't know the dangers and I'll be damned if it doesn't look good in movies.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 12:17am

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I light up in theaters. razz
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 12:43am

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In my city smoking in public places, restaurants, and malls has been banned for a year or two now and it makes the whole environment a cleaner, generally better place.

Can people still smoke? Yes, outside in designated areas; but not indoors or around places the general public is. Why? Because most people not only don't themselves smoke, but they find it unhealthy and degrading to be around, myself included.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 12:47am

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The England ban comes in on the 1st of June as well doesn't it?

I'm not exactly pro smoking but I respect everyone elses right to do so in most circumstances. Like SlothPaladin says, they know the dangers just the same as when I go to the pub I expect there to be people drinking and smoking (that's the kind of crazy risk taking I'm into! wink) and if it upset or worried me that much I wouldn't go.

My only real problem with people smoking is people who try too hard to look cool when they're doing it. For example one of my mates has taken it up recently and, although I have no problem with any of the rest of my friends doing it (a fair few do, have done for a fair while and they look normal doing so) this guy is clearly just doing it to be cool. I know this because the way he looks when he's doing it; he looks so uncomfortable and...dickish that he makes Barney look like Shaft. People like him should be banned, the rest should be allowed to continue their curious habit.

Just to get serious again I strongly disagree with a ban on smoking in pubs; restaurants, shops etc are fine but it's bloody stupid to ban it in pubs.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 1:57am

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As Ben says, the smoking ban makes life for the rest of us a lot more pleasant.

There are certain restaurants my family wouldn't go to until out smoking ban was passed (I think it was this month) because it was just gross.

I'm really happy about it, as I don't want to have to deal with smoke inside public places.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 2:12am

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Tha ban in the UK has been brought in under Health and Safety at Work legislation - it is designed to protect the workers in pubs, clubs etc whose health might be harmed by customers smoking. It is a ban on smoking in "enclosed public spaces" so most premises will erect gazebo type smoking shelters with open sides.

I'm an ex-smoker (ten years now and I still miss it everyday) but understand that my (ex) pastime has a negative effect on the health (and smell!) of those around me who don't wish to smoke. I don't have a problem with the ban and most of the countries that have brought bans in already don't seem to have suffered the major problems that the prophets of doom would have us believe are coming to the UK.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 3:46am

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My location (Las Vegas, Nevada) has had a smoking ban for some time now.

Unfortunately, there are some idiots out there who believe that the law does not apply to them.

Granted, Vegas has become an exceptionally cleaner place, but the smog that seems to inhabit the upper troposphere still remains.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 6:00am

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kingofbladeslv wrote:

Granted, Vegas has become an exceptionally cleaner place, but the smog that seems to inhabit the upper troposphere still remains.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the smog in Vegas is because of cigarette smokers?

Oy vey.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 6:17am

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I think that smoking is a bad habbit but everyone has the right to do so if the choose.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 6:26am

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Remember that second hand smoke is not only just "unhealthy", but it can often be deadly. 50,000 Americans die each year from second hand smoke. The whole point is that choosing to smoke is not only about YOU, its about everyone around you too. Smoking in public is selfish.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 7:39am

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I occassionaly smoke in the privacy of my own home. Really just hooka and the occassional salvia from time to time. I respect people's right to smoke, but so long as they aren't dicks about it. And as long as there are areas available for people to smoke at, I think it's alright, but if people aren't allowed to smoke at all, well I think that's an infringment on people's right as... well.. people.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 8:37am

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About time, if you ask me. Pubs have become so much more pleasant in the UK since smoking began to be banned. Soon you'll be able to go to a club without near-suffocating and feeling like death the next morning (not to mention smelling like crap).

As for 'the right to smoke', there's no such thing. It's a harmful habit both for the user and those around them. I don't think anybody should have the right to harm and cause discomfort to others. They can indulge in whatever filthy habits they want at home (again, as long as they're not harming anybody else), but smoking elsewhere is just rude.

I'd say the right to not be around smoke is a higher priority than the right to smoke, seeing as the former harms nobody.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 8:51am

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I personaly cant wait for this ban to come into effect, it seems to be from a smokers point of view if you go out at night you should "expect" to be around people that smoke, and that pisses me off.

i think its one of the most selfish things you can do, i'd rather be in a club with people drugged out their face, than around a club full of smokers. why? because they are only harming themselves and not the 10 or so people stood around them.

however i know your still going to get the select few that think the rules do not apply to them and continue to light up, even now you see them smoking in non smoking areas, this is the type of smoker i dislike the most.

also as a tax payer it annoys me that my taxes go into the NHS to help peolpe recover, or not from smoking related problems.

there you go, ive finished complaning but man do i feel better smile

sd
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 9:33am

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As for 'the right to smoke', there's no such thing. It's a harmful habit both for the user and those around them. I don't think anybody should have the right to harm and cause discomfort to others. They can indulge in whatever filthy habits they want at home (again, as long as they're not harming anybody else), but smoking elsewhere is just rude.
But if some one smokes outside in public in an isolated area that is zoned specifically for smoking, then only the people who choose to be there are affected by smoking's harmful effects. IMO, smoking is no worse then gorging yourself with junk food. One gives you cancer, the other gives you heart disease. Of course, as mentioned smoking does affect those around you which is why I mentioned that smoking in public should me restricted to zoned off areas, and people who enter those areas should be well aware of the health hazards they are facing.

And I think people do have a right to smoke if they choose to do so. You can just as easily get up and walk away. What they don't have a right to do is blow their smoke into people's faces and make them suffer. But just a cig every now and then, I don't see what the problem is. THough I do agree with the ban of smoking indoors. Smoke really makes things stink and I can't stand it when people smoke indoors. It's got to be outside where it can ventalite and the smoke can clear.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 1:44pm

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Gnome326 wrote:

IMO, smoking is no worse then gorging yourself with junk food. One gives you cancer, the other gives you heart disease.
There are clear differences here, actually. Even if it's junk food, food still supplies some form of nutrition and energy for your body to function. And heart disease and the ramifications of eating unhealthy can be combatted with better habits and exercise.

With smoking, you're only doing bad for yourself, plain and simple. There's no "cure" to what smoking does for you really, it all just depends on how much you've ingested and how far gone your system is for it to adversely affect you.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 3:55pm

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I suppose it's true to a point that junk food still has some positive effects (the positive:negative ratio is another issue though) but it's similar to a person drinking nothing but whiskey for a week; it's still fluid but the negative effects far outweigh any nutritional value. This is beside the point really but something I may have to try over the summer wink.

I don't agree with smoking, I guess I've just gotten used to it so I;m not offended by it anymore; same as swearing and sex on tv and in films. The passive smoking thing's never really been an issue for me either, it's just one of those things that I've never really thought about and I tend not to think about my health or cancer etc that much (I don't know if other people do...). I don't care either way to be honest, just seems odd to ban it in certain places.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 5:53pm

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The smoking ban is long over due. It doesn't bother me that people want to smoke aslong as they're doing it in their own home. Yes people have the right to smoke BUT people also have the right to not smoke, and everyone who lights up a cigaette next to me at the bus stop, in the pub or wherever they are violating my right to not smoke.

And I think people do have a right to smoke if they choose to do so. You can just as easily get up and walk away.
Why should i have to leave my seat just because someone wants to smoke? If anything, they choose to smoke they should get up and leave. People have a choice to smoke or not smoke, why should the people who choose not to smoke be made to suffer as a result of those who choose to do so?

In my opinion the fine should be alot harsher than it is to the smokers aswell. We had the details regarding the fines through the other day, smokers get fined £30 if they smoke in a public area (provided they pay up and it doesn't end up in court) If the manager of an estalishment is not seen to be preventing smoking he is fined up to about £2000 (can't remember the exact amount). It should be alot higher than £30, make it more like a £500 fine to be payed in full within 60 days or something like that.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 5:59pm

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Smoke both smells bad and hurts my eyes. As a result I'm all for banning it.

Whilst eating fat food and alcoholism are both problems in this country, neither of them affect the people around you who have decided not to involve themselves in the same way that smoking does.

-Hybrid.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 6:04pm

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Nutbar wrote:

It should be alot higher than £30, make it more like a £500 fine to be payed in full within 60 days or something like that.
What happens if they can't pay it? Imposing unrealistic fines for trivial offences solves nothing. Police marksmen in shopping centres though, that'd stop 'em...
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 6:32pm

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Rawree wrote:

Nutbar wrote:

It should be alot higher than £30, make it more like a £500 fine to be payed in full within 60 days or something like that.
What happens if they can't pay it? Imposing unrealistic fines for trivial offences solves nothing. Police marksmen in shopping centres though, that'd stop 'em...
I do like your idea more although it seems a bit tough for a first offence, maybe for a second offence. For a first offence maybe just shoot them with the rubber bullets.
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Nutbar wrote:

Rawree wrote:

Nutbar wrote:

It should be alot higher than £30, make it more like a £500 fine to be payed in full within 60 days or something like that.
What happens if they can't pay it? Imposing unrealistic fines for trivial offences solves nothing. Police marksmen in shopping centres though, that'd stop 'em...
I do like your idea more although it seems a bit tough for a first offence, maybe for a second offence. For a first offence maybe just shoot them with the rubber bullets.
How about firing cigarettes out of rifles for the first offence?

-Hybrid.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 6:51pm

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Hybrid-Halo wrote:

Nutbar wrote:

Rawree wrote:

Nutbar wrote:

It should be alot higher than £30, make it more like a £500 fine to be payed in full within 60 days or something like that.
What happens if they can't pay it? Imposing unrealistic fines for trivial offences solves nothing. Police marksmen in shopping centres though, that'd stop 'em...
I do like your idea more although it seems a bit tough for a first offence, maybe for a second offence. For a first offence maybe just shoot them with the rubber bullets.
How about firing cigarettes out of rifles for the first offence?

-Hybrid.
You'd need to take them to a designated smoking area otherwise the non smokers will suffer aswell.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 8:31pm

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SlothPaladin wrote:

I HATE anti-smoking Nazis
Good analogy.

Nazis: Killed millions of people
Anit-Smoking: Dislike lung cancer
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 8:49pm

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Sort of off subject but. They are making a law where if there is smoking in a movie it is rated R. So if theres any G rated movies with smoking. I think that the law affects movies already out too. It could turn from a G to a R
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 9:47pm

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jgtrox2 wrote:

Sort of off subject but. They are making a law where if there is smoking in a movie it is rated R. So if theres any G rated movies with smoking. I think that the law affects movies already out too. It could turn from a G to a R
I think that law IS ridiculous.

PG would be one thing... but R!?
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Just a little note...

While the health risks about smoking do outweigh the benefits tenfold, there ARE actual benefits.

Nicotine can actually help prevent the onset of Parkinson's.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 9:58pm

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My opinion of this:

I think that government mandated smoking bans are really silly. I really think that this is something that should be up to the people who run/own the designated area. Some people would keep smoking and others wouldn't. I think it's really mean to say that there should be no sort of social area to get a drink for a person who wants to light up. If it is up to the owner of the buisness, people who don't want to be around smoke can stop going. Sort of like changing the station on the TV or radio.

I used to smoke ciggarettes, but quit because every morning it tasted like someone took a dag nasty dump in my mouth. But I actually don't mind being around smokers. Second hand smoke has never bothered me.
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I am a smoker, i know i know, curse me !
However, i do think it is nicer if smoking is banned in restaurants or public places...because I understand that non-smokers dont necessarily want to have smelly cloths every time they go to a restaurant...however, banning smoking in CLUBS and BARS is ridiculous...because smoking (cigar, or cigorilla or cigarette) just belongs to the atmosphere...

and ofcourse, if people ask me kindly if i wouldnt mind not to smoke, then ofcourse i will not smoke...but people who are just rude to you, BECAUSE u smoke...that just makes me wanna smoke more in front of them, to provoke them biggrin

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Waser wrote:

My opinion of this:

I think that government mandated smoking bans are really silly. I really think that this is something that should be up to the people who run/own the designated area. Some people would keep smoking and others wouldn't. I think it's really mean to say that there should be no sort of social area to get a drink for a person who wants to light up. If it is up to the owner of the buisness, people who don't want to be around smoke can stop going. Sort of like changing the station on the TV or radio.

I used to smoke ciggarettes, but quit because every morning it tasted like someone took a dag nasty dump in my mouth. But I actually don't mind being around smokers. Second hand smoke has never bothered me.
Spot on. I don't think it's the government's descision either if a business can allow smoking or not.

I also agree with devilskater
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I'm gonna hop on the Waser band/love waggon as it pretty much sums up my feelings in a neat, tidy bundle.

One of my favourite quotes to do with the ban was from Dylan Moran I think, it was something along the lines of:

"So they're banning smoking in pubs now and soon no drinking or talking either."

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I've smoked on and off for about the past 3 years and I agree full on with Waser. The government should regulate what they own. (I live in California and I believe it is now illegal to smoke in National Parks and Public Beaches which I am all for.)

But for a local bar/poker club to have to ban smoking...It's like what a comedian said...It's not like your chewin celery sticks while your downin yer Guiness or whiskey.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 11:00pm

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Waser wrote:

I think that government mandated smoking bans are really silly. I really think that this is something that should be up to the people who run/own the designated area. Some people would keep smoking and others wouldn't. I think it's really mean to say that there should be no sort of social area to get a drink for a person who wants to light up. If it is up to the owner of the buisness, people who don't want to be around smoke can stop going. Sort of like changing the station on the TV or radio.
The problem is that if its optional then business will have to allow it in order to compete with their competitors who also allow it. The only way to get businesses to disallow it is for one rule to apply to them all.

It makes me laugh that smokers complain so much, a smoker can always nip outside, have a cigarette and come back in. If people are smoking in a room then the non smoker doesnt have that option, they can either stay out for good or put up with it and take the physical damage it causes.

Really I am all for banning smoking entirely, it does no one any good and even people who smoke agree that it tastes horrible. There are other ways to get the same effect without an addiction or causing lung cancer. If people wern't hooked then I'm sure this would be much less of a discussion. Smokers should be greatful that this isn't the case and acknowledge that being able to smoke outside and in your own home is already a good compromise.
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I really think that a place that allows smoking and a place that doesn't allow smoking would get about equal buisness. It's obvious there's enough people who can't stand being around smoke to keep a smoke-free buisness afloat. Also, there are enough smokers out there to keep the smoker-friendly buisnesses open. For example - In Salt Lake City, smoking has been banned pretty much everywhere, but there are a few coffee shops that allow people to smoke. The non-smoking ones are packed with non-smoking hipsters 24 hours a day, and the others are packed with smoking hiptsters 24 hours a day.
Posted: Wed, 9th May 2007, 11:32pm

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Well they already tried that here. The smoking bars got fuller and the non smoking bars got emptier. They had to call off the trial after a week and compensate the bars. razz Plus our town only has one big club so wheres the choice if you don't like what they decide?

Aside from bars where the big issue is a lot of shops had gone smoke free already which is part of what encouraged the ban here. Public opinion seems to have swung quite quickly from pro smoking to anti smoking over only the last couple of years. I think our generation have really seen more of the effects of lung disease and things.
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lets be honest everyone knows smoking is bad. i know it, you know it, and the goverment knows it.

however is the ban going to reduce the amount of people who smoke? probably not, and that is where the goverment see's this situation as a win win scenario.

by banning smoking in public the goverment is seen to be a health conscious state, but in all honesty if they were that health conscious they would ban it outright. the truth is the goverment makes too much money from the tax on tobaco to just ban it completly.

sd.
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Smokers = pwnd

But I don't necessarily feel that it should be banned.
Posted: Fri, 11th May 2007, 7:34pm

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Smoking in public places (inside, not outside) is sort of illegal in Norway.
It's been for a few years now, really.

I don't really like smoking, but I do enjoy a smoke now and then... Mostly when I'm drunk...

I'm addicted to nicotine though. Swedish snus is awesome razz
It's not proven to damage your health, but one can of snus (50 g) equals 60 cigarettes in nicotine... But one can is still cheaper then 20-pack with cigarettes...

Really hard to quit though... The biggest problem is that I don't really want to quit razz