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On the Lot Premiere Episode

Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 6:21pm

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It starts tonight at 9/8 c on Fox after American Idol... I think I will be watching smile.

Then lost season finale tomorrow!!!!!
Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 7:18pm

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What's it about?

I miss Lost sad The Uk's been having some conflicts over showing Sky programmes- which means we have no 24, Nip/tuck (Never watched these) and Lost sad
Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 10:01pm

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Is it still okay to participate, or have they already gotten their contestants for this program?
Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 11:24pm

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Anne wrote:

Then lost season finale tomorrow!!!!!
WHAT ABOUT THE AMARICAN IDOL FINALE?!?!?!??! THAT'S TOMOROW TOO!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Tue, 22nd May 2007, 11:32pm

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How I feel about On the Set:

It sort of seems like an insult to the art of filmmaking, and I don't care how melodramatic that sounds. Filmmaking is something that I, and I'm sure allot of you, consider to be an important of our lives, and it just seems to lame to take something artistic and make it into a gameshow, where half the focus wont even be on the films themselves, but rather on the personalities of the filmmakers, working towards "entertaining" television. It seems like many of people on the show are more concerned with fame and getting on TV, rather than making good movies. Also, I would bet my nuts that the person who wins this goes nowhere in the industry. They will get their prize or a 1 million dollar contract or whatever, and it will go strait to video, and at best, will just be known as "that On the Lot" movie, sort of like "that Project Greenlight" movie.

/rant
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 12:08am

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Waser wrote:

How I feel about On the Set:

It sort of seems like an insult to the art of filmmaking, and I don't care how melodramatic that sounds. Filmmaking is something that I, and I'm sure allot of you, consider to be an important of our lives, and it just seems to lame to take something artistic and make it into a gameshow, where half the focus wont even be on the films themselves, but rather on the personalities of the filmmakers, working towards "entertaining" television. It seems like many of people on the show are more concerned with fame and getting on TV, rather than making good movies. Also, I would bet my nuts that the person who wins this goes nowhere in the industry. They will get their prize or a 1 million dollar contract or whatever, and it will go strait to video, and at best, will just be known as "that On the Lot" movie, sort of like "that Project Greenlight" movie.

/rant
Even if it turns out like this, I still think it will be fun to watch.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 2:11am

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OMG!!! I just watched and some of those people dont know what the crap their doing, I know they made it on their and all but my gaw... The first guy that gave his pitch got about 5 words of his retarded plot out before he froze (his plot was about a mobster that was undercover as a mouse for the CIA)

They have good judges...

Some of them know what their doing and then others... well you'll know if you watched it.

Not saying I could do better, but come on...


Waser wrote:

It sort of seems like an insult to the art of filmmaking
Pretty sure Steven Spielberg doesnt want to insult the art of filmmaking, but yeah I see what you mean.

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Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 2:27am

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Yeah, this was pretty disappointing.

These people have no idea what they're doing. They seem to be thinking more about the business of filmmaking rather than the art, as Waser said. The problem is you can't do anything really creative on the show... these people were pitching the most generic ideas imaginable because one of the judges is flipping Brett Ratner, who doesn't have an ounce of creativity in his body. If someone pitched something great, he wouldn't know it at all.

Nevertheless, I still plan on watching to see just how absurd this gets.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 3:02am

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I miss Lost The Uk's been having some conflicts over showing Sky programmes- which means we have no 24, Nip/tuck (Never watched these) and Lost
why don't you just watch it on the abc website?
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 5:19am

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Show's alright. One of my friends I work on movie projects occassionally has a similar personality to those people who are very assertive and has to have everything done their way, so it's definately a challenge to work with, but I think it's still possible. Though the difference is I know my friend and these other people have never met each other at all so it will be a lot more difficult to come to a compromise on these projects.

But I think that the best team will definately have to make a lot of comprimising to come out with the best production possible as well as some good direction from the directors.

Note the guy at the end who was directing the movie with the graffitti in the background. I think he's definately at a disadvantage because he's probably never worked with strangers before. Maybe he has, but not many. I'm sure most of his crew were people that he knew who could figure out the way he thinks and talk which is how he was previously able to get things done. But now, he'll definately have to think about the way he phrases and directs people so he can get his vision onto film.

It's exciting. Also, with the first season, you can learn from their mistakes, and if you ever make it onto a later season, use that knowledge to your benefit.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 5:20am

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I too was very disapointed with the show On The Lot. And just to let everyone know, the universal studios backlot shown on the show was a bunch of fake crap. Ive been down to the sound stages (off the tour tram) and theres no actors & actresses walking around in wardrobe and no one is carrying peices of the set. What you saw in the show was not the real backlot/sound stage environment. That really made the show seem fake for me.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 5:21am

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Very silly start to the show if you ask me. I think it does not represent the amateur/indy filmmaker well and almost seems to glamourize an overbearing attitude.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 5:41am

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I don't know why but I had high hopes for this show. I know it was the first episode, but I thought we'd get to see some of their personal work that got them on the show.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 5:43am

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"We've taken, hands down, the 50 BEST filmmakers in the world to find out, out of all of them, who has what it takes to start working......ON THE LOT!"

50 best? Pssssh....

But, on a serious note, a few of these peoples' movies look badass. They showed one with a crane circling the vertical axis from right side up to upside down while a guy was holding a gun. Pretty cool if you ask me.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 9:41am

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I see it even more melodramatic then Waser really.

Shows like this or "Musicstar" or whatever they're called in all the countries play with the hopes of people. And I don't find that enjoyable, hence I've never watched any of these shows. And won't.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 10:07am

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I agree with Waser and Sollthar. All these reality shows and competitions really get my goat. They encourage an attitude that you can somehow 'win' fame and success, rather than earn it. It's a very unhealthy thing to be teaching young kids and the general population and will no doubt contribute to political apathy, social reclusion and the continuing decline of the human species.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 11:34am

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I liked the show. But it got me wondering: How many of the good pitches (like the guy who pitched the 'priest finding the girl of his dreams right before he is supposed to be ordained' story) are actually going to be used by the Hollywood system to make movies? Sure beats paying a team of writers to do it. Does that make me skeptical? Probably, but there's a precedence. Several years ago, a major computer company sponsored a contest where they paid a paltry sum (I think it was 10k) to the winning team that would invent the hottest new computer gadget. Two MIT graduates invented a paperless computer printer. Now it seems to me that the computer company (I think it was HP) just saved a huge portion of their R&D budget, and the two college guys could have sold the patent elsewhere and gotten a LOT of extra money.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 11:39am

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RodgerDodger wrote:

Two MIT graduates invented a paperless computer printer.
How's that work?
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 12:15pm

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I watched On the Lot but purely for entertainment purposes. Naturally, there's going to be character conflicts and it was painful at times to see other people basically being squashed by dominant personalities. If I was on the show and got to the last 4 or something, I would self-destruct on purpose. Let's face it, winning these kind of competitions places a label on you and makes you into a tv personality, not what you're trying to be. And if some people are talented, they'll get picked up whether they're the winner or not.

I agree with you Tarn about the effect on people - I've always thought this "get rich quick" mentality that seems to be everywhere does a lot of bad among people who are vulnerable to this same message. Instead of working on their problems they spend all their money on the lottery.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 1:06pm

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Waser wrote:

How I feel about On the Set
IT'S ON THE LOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


like anyone actually care's lol
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 1:31pm

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I disagree with saying the people on the show are there just to "get rich quick" and have something "handed to them". They are not being given fame, success or a future.

They are on a show because of what they've done. All of them have spent years and years and years filmmaking and I'm sure have many hundreds of films. Being on "On The Lot" is just another way to get noticed. WHy do any of you have websites or come on here and submit movies to the cinema? maybe for fun, maybe to get critisism, maybe to see how you compare to others. The people on the show are NO different. It would be a TON of fun, I would love to see if I had what it took be be selected out of 12,000 applicants to be one of the 50 included on the show, and then to see how I would stand up to the other filmmakers.

I'm sure alot of people in this community have done "24 - hr film challenges" or entered film festivals.....
This is the same thing... a long film challenge... but its put on tv.. and the prize is bigger.... it doesn't change anything really. Whoever wins is far from being "handed" something they should earn or part are a part of a "get rich quick" scheme. Whoever wins has paid his/her dues and rightfully earned their chance.
To say something like "The people on the show are just trying to win a game show to become famous" is in my mind, just jealousy, because someone else earned their own chance to make themselves into something (and many of us wish we had that chance)

-MAGIC
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 1:35pm

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I can say with some assurance that I'm not jealous. smile

I think the main problem I have with such shows is that they focus so much on the personality of the entrant, rather than their actual skill.

24-hour film festivals, as you mention, are purely about the end product. The person that made it is completely irrelevant.

I've not seen On The Lot yet, so I am making assumptions that it's running the same formula as every other reality/popularity show. One only has to look at the various Pop Idol style shows to see that it's far more about the person's image than their actual skill (though occasionally they do coincide).

Of course, if AJ and CX3 had got in with Fingerman, I'd be an avid viewer and supporting them all the way. razz
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 3:52pm

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All I have to say, Evman, is that I've always liked Brett Ratner. He knows when he's making a big movie just to make it, and they're all helluva-good-time movies. Also, if you watch the behind the scenes on The Family Man or Rush Hour, he shows some of his NYU films and how he works around imitating the best of what he likes from filmmaking styles.

I like that. Someone who isn't trying to prove they have an amazing style, just being honest about using other ones he likes. That's a real filmmaker, and his NYU movies weren't bad either. If anything, I'd say Brett Ratner might be the most artistic of the bunch. Although, I'll give it to you, Gary Marshall seems like the nicest guy in Hollywood.

Either way, good or bad contestants, Fox has found some good judges and hopefully the show will turn out better. Thank GOD Mr. Sunglasses froze, I couldn't stand that guy.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 3:53pm

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I quite like Rattner, too. I thoroughly enjoyed the Rush Hour movies, and I thought X3 was quite a directing achievement given the appalling script. Considering how late he came to the project, he made a remarkably good film considering the crap material he had to work with.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 4:27pm

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Also, and this may not mean much in the film industry, but I've been thinking about it-

Rattner seems like a nice guy, as does Marshall, and I've always liked that. While I can respect spiffy directors who take a rude tone throughout production to preserve their vision, (Michael Bay, still cool movies though) I think you can get far further by lessening your integrity a bit and putting on a kind face. In all of his bts stuff, Bay is cussing everyone out, including the actors, and on interviews appears incredibly rude and hostile. Perhaps it's just the production anxiety, but it certainly makes me think less of the movie when that's done. I'm more for having a good time and pleasantly completing something than hating the entire creation and coming out with a slightly better product.

That. and it must be hell to direct Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan in the same movie, AND keep your cool.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 4:59pm

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OK I don't feel as though these type of shows are any reflection of a "get rich quick" society, anymore than what is already out there. First off, just turn on the tube late night and you will be hit with all these $99.95 scams promising a bright future and monthly income streams for little work. For that matter, colleges and universities do the same exact thing.

However, I do see them as a vehicle to get somewhere. It is an opportunity. Not for everyone, but for a few.

Tarn wrote:


I think the main problem I have with such shows is that they focus so much on the personality of the entrant, rather than their actual skill.

One only has to look at the various Pop Idol style shows to see that it's far more about the person's image than their actual skill (though occasionally they do coincide).
This I completely disagree with. Many of the contestants on America Idol (USA version of the original) would NEVER had there demo listened too after someone in the A&R Dept. looked at their photo. So image is not the driving force behind all of these shows. Primie example would be Ruben Studdard, Fantasia Barrino, and Taylor Hicks. These are not the norm in the industry, but they have talent.

Face it, in most situations, you must know someone or have the fortunate luck of right time, right place to make it in the entertainment industry. Talent, is typically not a factor in the "real world." I can speak from experience in the music industry that I know of a long list of people with look and talent that never, ever make it. Regardless of how hard they worked.

So by all means, am I jealous of the opportunity to have a million dollar development deal with DreamWorks? HELL YEAH I AM!!!!!! Wish it was me you guys were complaining about for the simple reason of the doors it will open. If you want utter creativity, continue making films at the house like the rest of us. If you want to make it in the industry, then find an opportunity to get there.... like On The Lot.

(Fire away)
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 8:16pm

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I caught the last few minutes of the show. I pretty much agree with Tarn, Waser, and Sollthar.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 8:37pm

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Hate to say this to yall... but personality does matter in the film business. No one wants to work with a "mean" (to put it in nice terms) director. Directors hate working with snobby actors. And the guy who took his belt off in the pitch, yeah, he may have done that, but he was gone in the first round because of it.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 8:59pm

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I understand when people break down having no experience publicly speaking and because of all the pressure. But they had several hours to come up with a pitch. Most of those were god-awful. There was absolutely no excuse for some of the stuff they pulled. At least have a decent idea because their ideas have me doubting their ability to qualify for this top 50. I really don't like the way this show is going and I think it had some potential. I'll probably still watch it, but I'm with Tarn, Waser, Sollthar, and miker about the way this show is portraying filmmaking. Also, a lot of these people seem like egotistical film school pricks who can't work with people for a second. I think this show seems pretty tacky and if I end up pursuing film, I will take the indie route (even if it leads to failure) than being handed this oppurtunity. I think Mel's example in his first paragraph points to where this show will have the winner end up.
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 10:14pm

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I also was expecting that they would show they videos that they made. There were some real idiots that don't know anything about filmmaking. I mean miceman!! MICEMAN! That was embarrassing. Now tey're makeing their own movies in groups and I think they'll show those on tv, can't wait to see how good they actually are.

I understand what Waser is trying to see and I agree with him (a bit). But I still like the show.

Next epissode Thursday at 8pm
Posted: Wed, 23rd May 2007, 10:42pm

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I watched On the Lot yesterday and I completely agree with Waser, Sollthar, and Tarn. Many people can forget that it is a TV show first, and a competition second.

First, the thing that I find to be most disappointing about the show is the misinterpretation of the film industry that it will leave on viewers who know absolutely nothing about making a film. From the get go it seems as if the show is portraying the stereotypical "make it big" fame that comes with these types of shows. Being a celebrity and knowing how to make a film are two entirely different things. I fear that this view will shape the public's opinion of the filmmaking career in the same dentrimental way it has with American Idol and other such shows.

Second, as mentioned above, 'On the Lot' is simply another reality show and not as much of a competition. Sure this is an easy way to get your foot in the door, but what many of these individuals don't realize is that they weren't soley picked because of their skills. In fact, after watching several of the painful pitches last night, I'm sure several of them don't know the first thing about coming up with an interesting story let alone making a compelling movie. A large chunk of them were probably picked just because they have abrasive personalities.

Granted to become a director it is valid to have some sort of an ego, many of these participants were picked because the creators of the show knew there would be conflict amongst them. Conflict and controversy gets ratings. Lets face it, American Idol would be less popular if all the people who entered knew how to sing. If they did, it would be the most boring hour of television (I'm not a fan of American Idol as it is, but thats beside the point). Instead, people tune in to see the entrants who can't sing and watch as Simon Cowell tears apart their hopes and dreams. Why? Ratings.

I don't believe for a minute that those 50 contestants made it out of 12,000 applicants because they were the best at making movies. Don't get me wrong, I do believe several of them are very talented and skilled, but I'm sure there were several rejected applicants that are just as well qualified and many that are more so.

Finally, I would also like to point out the fact TV shows are indeed edited as well. Everything that you see on the show has been edited. I would have liked to have seen some of the pitches of the other contestants that made it (then again maybe not). And I also wonder how that first guy's pitch actually went, I'm sure he had more to say if indeed he was picked out of all those applicants.

...At least thats my 2 cents worth.

Hehe Waser, I am officially the king of long rants wink .
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Alright, you're right, Brett Ratner isn't all bad. Compared to most of my favorite directors he doesn't measure up, but I can safely say I enjoyed X-Men 3 more than Spiderman 3 razz .

Oh, and portalmaster, you are right on when you say the show misrepresents the film industry for people who don't know much about it.

Anyways, its on tomorrow night at like 9:25 or something weird, but i'll probably catch it because I'm sadly not seeing Pirates 3 till Friday.
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I've not seen the show, but from the comments here it sounds like the directors are being asked to come up with stories. Is it just me, or is that rather odd? There aren't many directors that are also writers - normally they find a script, are hired to film a script, or collaborate with a writer.
Posted: Thu, 24th May 2007, 8:55am

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I don't find it odd. Directors are storytellers. Yes, many utilise the scripts of others but maybe this is because of the way the commercial film industry works. If all the directors wrote their own scripts then it would take an age for films to get made. The system obviously goes towards people churning out loads of scripts and studios making the most commercial. But I think at heart, all directors are storytellers and should be able to come up with some ideas not generated by a scriptwriter.
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Agreed, there's nothing wrong with directors coming up with stories. But I don't think coming up with a story concept should be a requirement of being a director, as seems to be the case here.
Posted: Thu, 24th May 2007, 5:40pm

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Tarn wrote:

RodgerDodger wrote:

Two MIT graduates invented a paperless computer printer.
How's that work?
I too, would like to know how that works.
Posted: Thu, 24th May 2007, 6:41pm

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i live in england so i can see it is there a link to a video of the episode. if so would you please post it, it would be much appriciated
Posted: Thu, 24th May 2007, 9:25pm

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Try a search for it on Dailymotion.
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I was pretty hugely dissapointed by On the Lot. It was one of those shows where I was pretty sure that it wouldn't satisfy me, because if it were to satisfy me (and many other people on fxhome), the vast majority of Americans sitting in front of their televisions would be saying to themselves "Why the devil are they going into all this technical stuff, I wanted to see a show about the movie business?" Instead, I found myself saying to myself "Why the devil aren't they going into all the technical stuff, I wanted to see a show about the movie business?" They can't please everyone, and a show about people is a lot more likely to sell than a show about booms and dollies and lighting and compositing and writing and drafting and storyboarding and cameras and exposure and fram rates. It's a shame, but its also a fact. Fox had to sell this show, and to do that it had to sacrifice some of the program's authenticity. Every time the film-makers would get close to saying or doing something technical or actually real and related to film-making, it would go into an interview or cut to something else. All the juicy bits of film info that I watched it for were purposefully avoided. Although I knew this would happen somewhere in the back of my mind, I was still hanging onto the fact that this would be a really cool show that would not only feature amatuer film-makers, but appeal to them. I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up. It succumbed to the same lame reality-show format of pitting people against each other and showing annoyingly emotional bits that really have little do with the shows supposed premise. That pretty much sums it up.
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 12:01am

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Anyone with the potential and talent to make it in the industry. Won't need a program like 'On the Lot' to make it. Hardwork and seriously gusto will get you there.

Having said that. I'm exhausted from just trying to push forward with my own career. Hmmm sad
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 2:04am

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The second episode was a lot better.

We got to see some of their actual work, we got to see some more technical stuff about the filmmaking process, and with the expulsion of that jerk guy, I now know that it isn't entirely rigged, otherwise he'd stay around cause he's a "controversial contestant".

I was very pleased with this second episode.

It's on for 2 hours on Monday starting at 8 and apparently people at home will start to get to vote for the winner.
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 7:21am

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I agree; the second episode was more of what I had anticipated, though I also enjoyed the first episode to some degree. While the undesirable aspects that have been mentioned were certainly apparent to me, I still saw enough in the first episode to warrant the benefit of the doubt.

I suspected the first episode was going to be relatively short sighted in many ways. Considering that it was only an hour long, and was essentially the introduction, it is to be expected that not every aspect of the show will be represented.

In an attempt to not abruptly write the show off, I didn't base any opinions on the premiere episode, and if the last episode is any indication, it may at least turn out to be a half decent show. Only time will tell if the speculation to the contrary will be vindicated.

Evman wrote:

It's on for 2 hours on Monday starting at 8 and apparently people at home will start to get to vote for the winner.
I heard this as well, though this fact does not exactly improve my impression of the show. I wouldn't say it necessarily affects my opinion of the show at all for the moment, but I imagine many will feel this is simply a ploy to attract viewers, in a wrong way.

Many might consider it to solely be an attempt to stay current with the popularity of involving the home viewer, which may only serve to demerit any plausibility this show has as being a "genuine representation of amateur/independent film creators". It may also serve to compromise the ideal that these individuals will be judged on their skill. Again, only time will tell.

I generally don't watch these kinds of shows, mostly due to my schedule, and I don't really see this one being any different. However, it will be interesting to see what comes of it, and what others think about it.

Take care.
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Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 7:53am

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Well since I haven't had the fortune (or misfortune) of seeing it I can't comment. What I've seen from this thread I shouldn't expect much... But we will find out.
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 8:17am

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Yeah, the ever-increasing reliance on the ignorant mass public to vote really irritates me. I hear that Heroes is doing something similar for its second season, to choose a new regular character, which is an appalling idea.
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 3:40pm

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Tarn wrote:

Yeah, the ever-increasing reliance on the ignorant mass public to vote really irritates me. I hear that Heroes is doing something similar for its second season, to choose a new regular character, which is an appalling idea.
No, no, no, Tarn. I think Heroes is doing something quite interesting and fun. They're introducing a voted-on character and doing a one-episode chronicle for that character and his/her power for that episode. It's a spinoff of Heroes, in that it isn't trying to focus or forward the 'save the cheerleader save the world' plot, and experimental shot a fun summer show that has no intentions of running on past that.

Now, if you wanted to talk stupidity, let's talk about NBC's Bionic Woman this fall.
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 3:44pm

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I don't see the problem with audience interaction. It gives the public a chance to get involved with the show, which is exciting to me at least. It also makes sure the judges aren't the only voices that matter in this contest.

I want to vote for my favorite film, and I think its neat that I can. And the ignorant mass public isn't so ignorant I dont think. This is summer TV season, where not as many people are watching anyway, and most people watching are probably aspiring filmmakers.
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 6:16pm

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i searched on dailymotion.com and there was a video of it but it didnt show the entier lot only a part of it is there anywere else i can view it???
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Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 8:00pm

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its really annoying it says i cant view it from there cuz i dont live in america
Posted: Fri, 25th May 2007, 11:46pm

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