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Posted: Sun, 3rd Jun 2007, 6:05pm

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Has anyone ever tried making the stuff? it's blooming hard! The easiest bit (Albeit time consuming) is cutting each link an painting it suitably. The hardest bit is actually linking them, it's so fiddly! So has anyone any experience with making chainmail- it's really quite complicated, but good fun! Here's a picture of my first couple of links:

Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 12:07am

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I really should let someone else reply to this first. biggrin I think it would belong in the general chat. Is there no way you can buy chainmail?
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 1:27am

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http://www.artofchainmail.com/
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 11:05am

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you can buy it yes- but each shirt ranges from around £100-300. I simply don't have that kind of money! It'sa lot cheaper and funner this way biggrin plus once i've done i can help others in the FXhome community that may need chainmail!
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 2:08pm

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If it's for film, can you get away with loose-knit grey wool? It'll look 'good enough' when combined with a suit of armour/sword/etc!
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 3:29pm

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Woah, definately don't buy any! I think that pdrg is right, you should still make actual chainmail for the lead parts though.
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 3:44pm

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This website showed up in a thread a while ago. I haven't tried it at all, but it looks helpful: Here

And here is a link he suggests buying from: http://www.thomasnet.com/profile/10042469/worth-manufacturing-company.html
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 3:46pm

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Thanks for all the replies!
Yo david biggrin that first site is the one that saved my dog's butt! i got so close to frustration and she was the thing closest to me...lucky i found this site earlier! it was really helpful! I have managed to succeed in widening the chainmail even further now! If you look on my 'The IInd' thread it has a better pic!

Thnks for all the help guys!
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 3:52pm

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pdrg wrote:

If it's for film, can you get away with loose-knit grey wool? It'll look 'good enough' when combined with a suit of armour/sword/etc!
mmm and if neccesary spraypaint it with silver. Have you thought about the fact that actual chainmail is very bulky and heavy and going to limit what you can do in it?
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 4:24pm

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It isn't actual chainmail...i cheated slightly and made it out of PVC piping...still...at least it looks better than knitting..
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 5:59pm

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Scribble07 wrote:

It isn't actual chainmail...i cheated slightly and made it out of PVC piping...still...at least it looks better than knitting..
That's clever, I couldn't even tell the difference. PVC can do anything! smile
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 6:19pm

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ha ha it can indeed! Thanks to the WETA dudes for inventing this technique!
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 8:27pm

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Wool can look VERY convincing - especially if you take the time to dub in 'clinking' noises in post production.

For a great example, look at Monty Python's Holy Grail - all the 'chainmail' in that is just black wool, painted silver. You'd NEVER know, and it's much lighter than anything else (unless it gets wet!).
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 9:12pm

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lol yeh i've seen that- but i much better prefer making it this way- it's time consuming but a lot more authentic i feel:d especially for the actors who have to wear them!
Thanks for the replies guys!
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 9:30pm

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I have to ask, how is it you connect the rings, now before you say 'check the tutorial' I did, and I noticed that it said in the needed items that a pair of pliars is needed, but the tutorial never says when to use them.
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 9:31pm

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Why not make the PVC stuff for the lead roles and use wool for the normal soldiers?
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 12:09pm

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I see, i should probably rephrase that better- at the moment i only have my printer scanner for pictures so i can't give a better tutorial, once i find a DV cable that i can upload a video from my camcorder to the computer i'll be able to show you then biggrin

Until then, this'll have to do:

On most chainmail websites they tell you to only 'open' the master ring (I.E the ring that connects the 4 closed rings) but i think it's better to open them all.
To open them all you do is get your ring and your cutting pliers( this is similar to what i use, http://www.hyperclaw.com/pic/products/end-cutting-plier-1-L.jpg )
and make a small, barely distinguishable cut down one of the ring's sides, similar to my rough diagram below:

This means that if you pull the rings slightly the plastic is flexible enough to bend so that teh ring opens, but when you push it back together again it 'closes' the ring, meaning the links shouldn't come undone.

To link them together i just cut all of the rings like above and then do the 4-in-1 thing biggrin

Hope that cleared thigns up?
Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2007, 3:47am

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Chainmail! My friend got me into making this stuff after seeing his entire suit of it (which took him around a month to make). We actually had a LOTR day which consisted of constructing chainmail and watching all 3 movies.
Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2007, 4:36pm

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woah sounds like the perfect day(And most likely night as well! )
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 4:48pm

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=oBQjp_oZ0Z8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZXz3aOz3HbM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nd8ndgsHdFg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z9GDFNEx5dI
watch all of these. Enjoy! wink
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 5:46pm

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Wow! i never thought of youtube- great job man!
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 11:02pm

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I've made lots of chainmail. Only one shirt, which did take ages, but quite a few pieces of jewelry as well, using various fancy weaves. Did you know there are over 400 different weaves of maille?
Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2007, 10:46am

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woah! seriously? i only thought there was the usual ones like european, japanese - those kind of ones. That's incredible! lol. To those that have never tried making chainmail it's actually suprising the amount of variations and skill it takes- i for one never expected it to be quite as hard as it is!
Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2007, 2:49pm

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http://www.mailleartisans.org/gallery/index.cgi

There's some pretty rad stuff in that gallery.
Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2007, 8:15pm

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I really like the japanese one in the mens clothing gallery! it's quite weird to look at biggrin