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The Woodsman

Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 10:44am

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The Woodsman is a tale of... well... a Woodsman.

When 3 friends went to a park to innocently throw their football around, they had no idea about the roller coaster journey of mystery and intrigue they were about to embark on when the ball goes awry and gets lost in the nearby woods.

Instead of finding their beloved ball, one of the 3 encounters the mysterious Woodsman, who offers a wish in exchange for the ball. Little does the young man know that the wish will come with a price.


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Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 12:19pm

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Good to see another movie from you. I really dug this, as it has the same sense of humor as your previous movies, but in a less wacky situation. Don't get me wrong, I love the wacky movies (AI2 is still my favorite movie on this site), but it's good to see that you guys have a certain range.

My favorite bits:

The way the woodsman said "Come here"

At the end when you see the Woodsman with 3 arms, the way he goes "Alright. Alright. Alright."


Great stuff, gave it a 5. It's 6:18 AM right now, and I have to be at work in 15 minutes, but this really lifted my spirits.
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 5:46pm

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A new De-Evolution video? Oh, man, I'm gonna download now!
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 8:23pm

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Terrific stuff, here. While the grading seemed oversaturated or something that made it hazy and overdone at times, it generally worked for the 'woodsy' feel. The acting, as usual, was hilarious.

The technicals are improved, but are really, again, lacking. Still, what you lack in technical ability you always seem to make up in comedic timing and (in part) the editing, so I'll let that slide a little. Now, back to the acting.

While most of it worked perfectly, Jacoma was pretty awkward. And from his performance in AI2 I expected a lot better. Everyone else had near perfect character. The humor of this was fairly drawn-out and perhaps extended too long in the beginning, where it finds itself tying up the funniest jokes "come here", three arms, etc. into very small amounts of time. This causes the pacing to be abit whack, but I could deal with it just fine.

Funny you released something, because Ben and I were just discussing yesterday at lunch 'Superman V. Destructor', and how it never got the praise it really deserved, especially for pulling off that elevator scene. (See? I still remember it.)

This one had elements that the short film 'SvD' had, with a toned-down-KWAYZEE-level of 'AI2', which really shows playing to your strengths, and I like that. Show me another feature now, please. wink

I've got AI2 on my iPod and watch the EPIC 57 or so minutes occasionally, and need a third installment to feel content. Either way, though, good stuff as usual, albeit a little too drawn-out for how short it is.

Still, good stuff.

3/5
Posted: Mon, 4th Jun 2007, 11:16pm

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This is another fine example of a great Canon GL2 movie wink.

I liked this alot, it got a few laughs out of me, I give it 5/5 for the quality, the camerawork, the plot, the acting, and for the way the woodsman says 'Come here' sounds kinda a like a guy who is trying to give candy to a 5-year-old.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 12:31am

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Thanks for the comments guys, we appreciate it.

Atom, what technical stuff specifically? Since I'm the only one who knows how to work a camera or frame a shot correctly, you can basically discount any shots that I'm actually in... (notice i have a very small role in the film). We also made a conscious decision to not use a steadycam, simply because we thought it'd work better with a documentary feel to it (think kinda like "The Office"). I'm curious to see what problems you have with the editing specifically as well. We are capable of more technically savvy films, but this instance really didn't call for it, or at least we didn't think it did.

As for the grading, I really think the compression took away from how saturated it really was. Honestly I over graded a bit to compensate after AI2 came out looking all gray and washed out. And this time I think the color palate is pretty uniform, again, unlike AI2 which would fluctuate steadily even in the middle of scenes.

And as for AI3... don't worry, we've been planning some huge ideas. We hope to begin filming this summer as a matter of fact, and the way things are going in these early stages, prepare to see a movie 10x more epic than AI2.

Anywho, again, thanks for the comments so far.

EDIT -

Oh, and for an example of what it looked like before it was graded, stay tuned after the credits, you can definitely see how gray and muddy it is.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 2:48am

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cool picture work. it's really good. it's good that u didn't put unnecessary special effects in it. 4/5
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 2:59am

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This was pretty cool! There were a lot of lines that had me laughing. "The woodsman here is a better friend than YOU ever were!"

Oh man. Nice. Also, nice use of a Presh song! wink
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 3:34am

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Evman wrote:


And as for AI3... don't worry, we've been planning some huge ideas. We hope to begin filming this summer as a matter of fact, and the way things are going in these early stages, prepare to see a movie 10x more epic than AI2.
This excites me to no end. Well, to some end. A healthy end.


Oh yeah, and really nice soundtrack Aculag. I actually thought throughout "This music is pretty good. I wonder who di-Oooo it was Aculag."
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 3:38am

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Actually, only the song at the beginning and end (its the same song) was done by Aculag's band Presh.

The rest was done by our good friend Ryan Black, who plays the Woodsman himself.

Check the credits (and again, be sure to watch the very very end! razz )

And yes Waser, your life will effectively end when the day comes that AI3 is released.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 3:40am

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Evman wrote:

your life will effectively end when the day comes that AI3 is released.
Nice! I'm excited/mortified!

Well, the music in the beginning and end is fantastic, but props to this Ryan Black guy as well. Either way, an all around great/royalty free soundtrack.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 7:51am

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Ben and I were just watching AI2 in the car and discussing how one of the only major problems with it, and all of your work, is that they heavily rely on/use copyrighted music.

When I read this was Presh (OMG! PRESH! TEH ACULAG PRESH!) and Ryan from the movie, it made this even better.

Now I want to make a movie using Presh music. smile

Oh, and "It's real water, you want some?" is stuck in my head.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 9:35pm

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It's just that we're no musicians, so we can't create our own music. We can only get people to do such a level of work for us without pay, Presh's songs, while outstanding, don't always fit the scene (and we don't want to rely on them too much), and Ryan is only one guy with a guitar... not a full band or orchestra. It's a lot easier to use copyrighted stuff, especially if we're not using it for profit or any competitions.
Posted: Tue, 5th Jun 2007, 11:45pm

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This was really good. Its different from most films on this site and I never lost interest. I also liked some of your shots and how your actors acted like kids would normally act.

I really liked hearing my name in it too. Yes my real name is Dan Marino, funny but true.
Posted: Wed, 6th Jun 2007, 12:22am

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Dancamfx wrote:

Yes my real name is Dan Marino, funny but true.
Congratulations on having the luckiest name ever.

Thanks for the comments, guys, we really appreciate it.
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 2:38am

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Dancamfx wrote:

This was really good. Its different from most films on this site and I never lost interest. I also liked some of your shots and how your actors acted like kids would normally act.

I really liked hearing my name in it too. Yes my real name is Dan Marino, funny but true.
Thanks man, glad you liked it.

And yes, that is the most awesome name ever.
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 8:09pm

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Hey great movie man. I really liked how the Woodsman delivered some of his lines too... just bizarre and funny. That kid doesn't really talk like that does he?
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 9:50pm

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Tough film to call. I think the film quality was certainly high. (Somebody said GL2?) Of course, it appears that the entire thing was shot outside with natural, ambient lighting so that's hard to say. The music was really great. My compliments to the artist. Nice job there.

The humor was ok, but for me it seemed to drag on a bit for the payoff we get. The whole theme of a guy getting some wishes granted to him and things going awry when he uses them poorly has pretty much been done to death since the beginning of film. Not to say it couldn't still be done again in a new, creative way, but the jokes fell sort of flat for me. There were still funny moments, though, like when the guy disappeared. I laughed at that one. smile

I think one of the biggest sticking points for me was the camera work. It appears that nearly the entire film was shot hand held, and I hate to say it, but it was not brilliant. People on the move bouncing in and out of frame, head cut off, etc. And when there were two and three way conversations taking place, that handheld rotation of the camera back and forth between speakers was just driving me nuts. (Particularly when it didn't catch up a couple of times and reached a speaker when they were already done talking and then rushed back to the other speaker. ) I've seen this technique used (rarely) and it *can* be done to good effect. One of my favorite indie films, Kissing Jessica Stein, has a couple of scenes shot that way and they pulll it off. However, in this film, it really dragged me out of the sense of immersion in the story and made me feel a bit like I was watching a home movie.

Other than those few items, though, I still felt if was a pretty good effort and an entertaining film for the most part. 3/5. Good job.
Posted: Thu, 7th Jun 2007, 11:15pm

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Thanks Jazzmanian, I understand what you're saying.

Some of the shots I ended up using in the edit actually had technically better versions of them... but at the end of the day I decided to pick the best performances I could find in the footage we had. An example of this would be at the end of the scene where Louis allows the Woodsman to take James, and right before he comes back out to me to show off his wishes. There is an ad-lib James pulled off after Louis left there that I thought was hilarious, where he says "So you come here often?" and the Woodsman replies "I live here". That is not a frame that I'm proud of, but the acting was too funny to leave out.

Another example would be the very long (almost 2 minute) shot that starts with the Woodsman and James playing catch, moves over to follow Louis as he asks for his friends back, and ends with a conversation down the path a bit. So many parts of that shot worked - timing, pacing, acting, etc, that I couldn't find an effective place to cut without it seeming awkward. This led to some partially bad angles for a few moments in there, but as a whole, I couldn't cut it.

Thanks for enjoying it though.

Atom, I'm still wondering what specifically you thought was technically off in terms of editing and shots?
Posted: Fri, 8th Jun 2007, 2:22am

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My favorite part was:

"In exchange for this ball, I'll give you one wish."

Louis darts his eyes up and down.

"That sound like a pretty good deal..."

I laughed for a good 20 seconds out loud. By myself.

5/5 for the comedic aspect, but I think the photography seemed unplanned and that's where the editing suffered. Mostly in the dialogue bits. 1 camera shooting is difficult, we all know. I think one shot that you pulled of well with a single camera was Louis turning saying "what'd you do that for?!" I really enjoyed it and I'm glad to have seen something from you again.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jun 2007, 2:20am

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Thanks Serpent, we appreciate it.

Anyone else watch this wanna share their thoughts?
Posted: Mon, 11th Jun 2007, 4:30am

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I liked it reasonably enough. It was a fairly simple film overall, but it worked for what it was.

(But please, turn off Autoshutter. You've got a GL2 capable of it manual control, so take advantage of it)



Also, when is American Idiots 3 arriving?
Posted: Mon, 11th Jun 2007, 1:30pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

Also, when is American Idiots 3 arriving?
Haha, I never thought I'd ever hear that.
Posted: Mon, 11th Jun 2007, 9:14pm

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I guess I should watch AI 1&2...
Posted: Tue, 12th Jun 2007, 7:57am

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

I guess I should watch AI 1&2...
You bet your ass you should! They're hilarity at its best, particularly AI2.

"....before the transfusion!"

LMFAO

As for the Woodsman, I can't say the same. I found it.....okay. Maybe it's because AI2 was so genius, but I'm going to put the Woodsman on a comedic level alongside that of AI1, and on a technical level with Splinter Cell: Pandora Yesterday.

Why? Because for comedy, freehand is only good if done in an Office-style way. Any other time, it needs to be a bit more locked down, particularly in those dialogue scenes with the back-and-forth camerawork that has been mentioned. I'm not saying you need a tripod and that you shouldn't do handheld; rather, I just think when you're holding the camera, you simply need to move it around less. Keep things as static as possible when they need to be.

Other than those gripes, I found this all-around entertaining, if not a tad boring in places. The three arms on the guy from Garrett at the end was definitely the money shot.

All-in-all a good little comedic short!

4/5
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 8:08pm

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The only thing I didn't like was that the camera went back and forth when the woodsman and his new friend was playing catch.
I think all other technical stuff was really good.

Everything was brilliant. It was very enjoyable.
I liked it.

That's it.

5/5
Posted: Sat, 23rd Jun 2007, 2:31am

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I liked this film, good job smile
Posted: Sun, 24th Jun 2007, 3:37am

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I thought the ending was pertty funny, and very well done. I agree with Klut about the camera movement.

Your story was very creative. smile Good job!

3/5
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 6:18am

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Thanks guys for the comments, I'm glad you liked the film.

I must say that the back and forth action of the camera during the catching sequence near the end is one of my favorite parts of the film. Sure it could have been executed a bit better had I a steadier hand, but I think the entire handheld aspect of the cinematography really gives this movie its sort of off-kilter and awkward "in the moment" feel.

I think you can scoff it off as poor camera work if you wish, but as I said before, I always chose performance over technicals wherever possible, because I think in the end, technicals/grading/vfx/etc are done to death around here on this site, and it's always fun to spice things up and introduce some comedy... and you can't really do that if you don't choose the funniest moments for your actors to shine.

Thanks again for all of your support for this movie! biggrin Anyone else wanna share their thoughts?
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 7:10am

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I still love "Come Here, Come Here."

You guys did great on this, and I wish you had more.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 8:38am

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Hehe, congratulations. I think you made the first fxhome comedy I liked. smile

In terms of filmmaking I thought this was above the last one I've seen from you. Which was cool to see.

And yes, I quite liked the humour in this. I didn't skip through one second of it, which is a good sign - that rarely happens. Especially with comedies. But the original idea grew on me and kept my interested throughout.


It's a 4 for me. Congrats. smile
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 4:22pm

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Wow, thanks Sollthar, you've definitely been on my list of "people we need to make laugh" for quite some time now, and it's a pleasure to finally have that happen. Thanks!

SilverDragon7 - What do you wish we had more of?
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 7:25pm

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More comedys to watch.
Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 7:33pm

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http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo2072.html
http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo1547.html
http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo2395.html
http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo2397.html
http://fxhome.com/cinema/info_cache/movieinfo1768.html

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Posted: Mon, 25th Jun 2007, 8:23pm

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I'll admit that I hadn't seen Dire Conseqences, but I've all those, and I even have AI2 on my computer.
Posted: Sat, 30th Jun 2007, 3:05am

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Wow this is enjoying quite a run at Number 1! Thanks for the kind votes guys!
Posted: Sat, 30th Jun 2007, 7:36am

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*shakes fist furiously
Posted: Sat, 30th Jun 2007, 7:41am

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*Scoffs at Atoms anger, he just wishes he was number one
Posted: Sun, 1st Jul 2007, 7:33am

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*rolls eyes

Technically, we both were #1, since we both had 4s as averages, SilverDragon. My movie just went off after 30 days, whereas Evman's was newer, so it stays as the first spot.

Funny thing is, this happened last year, too, but the other way around.
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sooner or later my movies will be number one.

Cower in fear from the powerful 16 year-old.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 12:37am

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Atom wrote:


Funny thing is, this happened last year, too, but the other way around.
I don't remember that. Which two movies are you talking about?
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 3:13am

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"Cover's Story" and "Word and Deed".
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 3:39am

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Gotcha.

Anyways, back to The Woodsman discussion! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 4:01am

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Right-O!

I loved American Idiots 2.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 5:35am

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Dude, I like this movie... SvD is totally going on my top 10.