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reflection in moving water...help please

Posted: Wed, 13th Jun 2007, 1:44pm

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BrnDmgInc

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Hi guys,
I am trying to get my reflections to move fluidly with water. First I am trying to get a soft breeze ripple effect with the water and then get the reflections to roll on the waves as it were. I'm open to any ideas to get a good start and thanks to all.
BDI
Posted: Wed, 13th Jun 2007, 4:27pm

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Artifex

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Please give us more details about the scene in question. What elements are involved (besides water, obviously), what is being reflected in the water, etc. Also, what limitations are preventing you from filming the actual reflections from the water (assuming live action elements)?
Posted: Wed, 13th Jun 2007, 10:52pm

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BrnDmgInc

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Here is a link to a sample of what I'm trying to do. I think you'll see that my effect is too large or wavy for the app. I also realize that my reflections aren't scaled correctly yet but I've learned that there is a learning curve for Visionlab so bear with me. Any help would be significant and thank you for your great support site. You guys rock!

copy and paste if you do not get the url.

http://media.putfile.com/Water-effects-sample
Posted: Fri, 15th Jun 2007, 10:14pm

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BrnDmgInc

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I hope I haven't put off anybody here...I was just looking for some examples of presets that might work for the effects I was trying to get. I still am having an issue with water lapping up the side or on the edge. I was also thinking about making this guitar theme go farther by animating one as a shark [basic one in newest version attached using the displacement preset] and maybe a hummingbird guitar... Again any help appreciated as to how to attach say wings to an artifact and make it look real. Below is the url for the latest water scheme I've come up with. Thanks all.

http://media.putfile.com/Water-Example-2
Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007, 2:22am

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DavidLittlefield

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Hey! That updated version is pretty well done. Although it is a little obvious that it's simply a still picutre. Try using the "animation" tool and move the picture around as if you were panning using Key-Frames. WARNING! It will not automatically move your other elements for you (The water, the ripple, etc.). I'm not sure if there's an easy way to move all of them after you've already done it.
For the wings and stuff, are you looking for the wings to move and the guitar to turn into a shark during the shot? If this is the case you may be looking into some 3-D work, or carefully animated photoshop-frame-by-frame work. But, Im not fully sure I know what your talking about with the wings and shark, so maybe you won't have to.
Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007, 5:56am

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SilverDragon7

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I would try a #D program to make the water. I use Vue 6, and it makes realistic water. I'm saying this because that water sucks (sorry if sounds harsh, you're obviously new to this stuff).
Posted: Sat, 16th Jun 2007, 2:23pm

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DavidLittlefield

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Oh by the way. I just looked at it again this morning and I noticed to guitars already have shadows going a different direction. Unless this picture takes place on tatooine, this doesn't usually happen.
Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007, 8:54am

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SilverDragon7

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Download this. I made this between 12:30(AM) and the time now (2AM) (took a little longer becaus of render times). Although there isn't a refelction in the water, the water is realistic.

Programs used : Vue 6 xStream, Visionlab.
Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007, 12:26pm

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DavidLittlefield

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Sorry SilverDragon, but I would much rather take his water over yours. I thought yours "sucked" pretty bad. It was going too fast, the edges of the water were jagged and un-changing, the texture left much to be desired. I don't mean to bomb on you, but I feel it's true.
Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007, 4:43pm

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rudemen

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maybe this will help you. it helped me some time ago.
and - it´s free.

http://www.xiberpix.com/SqirlzReflect.html

klaus
Posted: Sun, 17th Jun 2007, 5:00pm

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SilverDragon7

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DavidLittlefield wrote:

Sorry SilverDragon, but I would much rather take his water over yours. I thought yours "sucked" pretty bad. It was going too fast, the edges of the water were jagged and un-changing, the texture left much to be desired. I don't mean to bomb on you, but I feel it's true.


Oh no, I know it sucks. I threw it together qt the worst times of the day.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 1:08am

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pixelboy

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rudemen wrote:

maybe this will help you. it helped me some time ago.
and - it´s free.

http://www.xiberpix.com/SqirlzReflect.html

klaus
I was about to suggest that myself, it's pretty nifty, and is designed to do exactly this sort of effect.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 2:23am

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BrnDmgInc

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Just tried Squirlz and think it's great for this app too. I'm going to be using several stills like this one for the credit roll on a documentary I'm working on about the Guitarmania artists and the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame. Here is the latest attempt and I know I can get something passable with the new software. Many thanks to you Rudemen.

http://media.putfile.com/Water-Example-3

See you guys around the site.

"FXHome for all my men for tonight we ride!"
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 3:04am

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SilverDragon7

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That thrid example is the best.