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A new cam, on budget

Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 9:52am

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hello again,

i'm looking to get a good enough camcorder for 500-700 roughly but i cant go above 700 cause i have to budget for other materials.
can anyone help me please?
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 12:14pm

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500-700 what? Dollars? Euros? Pounds? Yen? (i hope not, ¥700 is not even enough to buy a miniDV tape).

I personally (because i have this camera and am biased) believe the Panasonic NV GS series to be your best bet. I have the GS 500 but the 400 is still consider great too. Remember it's a Panasonic so no stupid sony-touch-screen and no only-sony-compatable-hot-shoe (i happen to not like sony).

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Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 12:39pm

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GS 500 but the 400 is still consider great too
The 400 is twice as expensive. I'm getting the 320.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 12:58pm

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looool no not yen i mean pounds and what do you guys think of this one

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProduct.action?product=HDR-UX1E&site=odw_en_GB&pageType=Overview&imageType=3D&category=HDD+AVCHD+DVD#tab
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 1:16pm

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I heard DVD cams really sucked. But I can't tell you for sure, I've never tryed one.
Posted: Mon, 18th Jun 2007, 4:02pm

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dont get dvd or hdd cams there not worth it I have hdd and really regret it.

My next camera is going to be a Canon HV20 and its in your pricerange:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-HV20-Definition-1080i-Camcorder/dp/B000P4SZ80/ref=sr_1_1/203-2348928-4232740?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1182182081&sr=1-1


The Canon HV20 looks sweet to me too and I am considering saving up (£680 at Amazon) for it over the next few weeks and buying it.

It gets a glowing review from SimplyDV: http://www.simplydv.co.uk/Reviews/canon_hv20.html

I too like 3CCD but apparently this has 2 megapixels when shooting with widescreen so considering it's high definition, it's going to look damn good. And considering all the features it's got, it's matching the equivalent 3CCD cameras you're going to get for £1,000.

The Canon XM2 as pointed out above is £1380 at Pixmania if you want to go that bit higher
and heres a video reveiw by cnet:

http://reviews.cnet.com/digital-camcorders/canon-hv20-mini-dv/4505-6500_7-32172625.html

I also hate sony my sony handycam broke the second day I had it for no reason the tape got jamed and broke inside the camera so all my video was lost.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 11:00am

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I'd recommend the panasonic GS series in that price range. I like sony camcorders but in that price range they don't do anything anymore that compete's with the panasonic in my opinion. Another thing with sony is they seem to be removing microphone inputs on all of their handycams now, not sure whether the gs320 has one but the 300 and 500 do I know that much.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 11:10am

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omd ssoo confusing lol because i read somewhere that the panasonic gs series is crap, i dont know why so i will investigate.

"I like sony camcorders but in that price range they don't do anything anymore that compete's with the panasonic in my opinion."

(sorry i dont know how to quote)

so you are you saying that technically i can still get a sony handycam and it wont be any different to panasonic? or that panasonic is better?

my next question is there any reason why i shouldn get a cam that has either a memory card or hard disc...? or is it best to get a tape one? also can anyone find me a panasonic hd one that its in my price range becuz i did find a sony one... thank u guys for this help its really hard.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 11:18am

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what about this?

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/pukweb04-otm-cam-highdefinition/hdc-sd1/index.htm
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 11:27am

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Just consider that having a HD camera also means having alot of other expenses to go with it. You'll require a very good computer and editing software and there are other little things aswell that go with it, such as you'll need more tapes. Might not sound like alot but all the little things add up.

Sony consumer cameras aren't as good as the panasonic cameras at the moment. Hell, I had a pretty low level sony handycam 2 years ago and I compared it side by side with one of the new mid level handycams and my old camera produced a better result. I now have the gs300 and it blew both of them away.

As far as HD goes what you have to consider is do you really NEED it, I'd take the manual controls of the GS over the HD of the HV20.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 11:34am

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the reason why i was looking for a hd is becz i dont know how to look for a standard cam that has good quality images. and also good manual settings.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 11:35am

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and also i av a budget i cant and wont go over £700 the most i'd happy go for something for under that which is good enough.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 2:07pm

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i think i've found the camcorder that i want... NV-GS500EB-S
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 3:19pm

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I bought a Sony HDR-HC5E a couple of weeks ago. I haven't exactly filmed anything serious on it, but the trials I've done are pretty good. It's about £650 on play.com, but I got a huge discount at John Lewis because I work there, plus I got a free 2 year guarantee.

I was planning to get a GL2, but I went to the Metropolitan Film School for a look around (based at Ealing Studios) and the guy who toured us basically knocked the idea of saving up loads for a brilliant camera out of me, as this way I can get a decent camera, decent video editing suite, and have cash left over for what I would have spent on a GL2. Besides, they both do the same thing anyway; record film. And people are more likely to b*tch about how your story goes rather than the quality of the recording itself (unless it really is appauling or your a camcorder geek - his words not mine, and he's a cameraman).
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 3:29pm

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As i've said before, i own a NV-GS500, and therefore can tell you why its both good and bad. Quite simply....

Pros:
    3 CCD means greater colour depth
    Mic In slot (fits any 3.5mm jack)
    Hot-shoe (unlike Sony hot-shoes that are only compatable with sony equipment, panasonic's are universal)
    True 16:9 (it films in 16:9, so it doesn't need to stretch frames from 4:3) but you can also shoot in 4:3 if you wish
    It's got a big LCD screen
    Leica Dicomar Lens (with 12X optical zoom)
    Highly recommended joystick navigation through menus


Cons:
    No headphone slot
    Poorly placed outboard mic
    Compression on stills in quite severe
    No 4-way-super-duper-ring (replaced by a single focus ring)
    Iris and Shutter speed must be altered through menus unless on autofocus.


Personally, i think it's one of the best cameras you can get for under £800 (i got mine for £575!). At the moment, HD really isn't wirth it because of the overhaul you'd have to do to make it make. Besides, you're going to be shrinking footage down to (at the most) 768 x 480 which is exactly what a standard video camera does so there's no point.

Just my 1.005 pennies (UK currency conversion)

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Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 3:46pm

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Avenging Eagle wrote:


No 4-way-super-duper-ring (replaced by a single focus ring)
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Thats the only thing I don't like about my 300, that and it doesn't have the focus ring.

The one thing I do like about sony camcorders is the one touch focus system they have which basically focuses on the point you touch on screen, it can come in pretty handy.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 4:26pm

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Touch screens are spoilt by greasy fingers

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Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 5:03pm

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thats what screen protectors are for.
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 5:44pm

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No 4-way-super-duper-ring (replaced by a single focus ring)
Iris and Shutter speed must be altered through menus unless on autofocus.[/list]


what does this do anyway?
Posted: Tue, 19th Jun 2007, 6:49pm

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What does what do?

The 4-way-control-ring means you can manually control focus, zoom, iris and shutter speed...at the same time.

Iris contols how much light gets into the camera. Closing it means less light, so a darker image and opening it will produce a lighter image.

The Shutter Speed is how long a single frame is exposed for. With a high-shutter speed, fast-moving objects can be captured with little or no blur.

Autofocus automatically focus the camera on the object in the middle of the frame. White balance, and iris are adjusted accordingly.

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Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 6:46pm

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I've found having manual adjustment on iris and shutterspeed to be very useful if filming day for night so I'd recommend going for a camera with those manual settings. The gs500 does.
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 8:16pm

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i want to get the panasonic GS 400 but i think they have stopped it, so what do i do now, cause i dont want to buy it from ebay AT ALL!??
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 8:27pm

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I just bought a PV-GS320, and I'm so glad I did.
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 8:42pm

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Get the gs500, the camera is as good really but you lose a couple of (pretty minor if I remember correctly) features. I think they've discontinued the GS500 aswell though so it mmight be a good idea to decide quickly or you'll have the same trouble getting that as you did getting the 400 a year ago.
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 9:17pm

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http://www.panasonic.co.uk/pukweb04-otm-cam-minidv/nv-gs500eb-s/index.htm

this is the camcorder i'm going to get! biggrinbiggrin lool finally!
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 9:46pm

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lol im srry i meant the

http://www.panasonic.co.uk/pukweb04-otm-cam-minidv/nv-gs320eb-s/index.htm
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 9:54pm

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2 reasons why I wouldn't get the 320

Focus AF
Microphone (stereo mini) No

Its your choice in the end of the day, but manual focus is kinda a biggie.
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 9:59pm

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what is focus AF and no mic means no external right?
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 10:06pm

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TAH wrote:

what is focus AF and no mic means no external right?
Means you cant focus manualy for depth of field and yeah no external, bad. Trust me when I bought my camera I didnt care about external now I really regret it and are saving up for a Canon HV20
Posted: Wed, 20th Jun 2007, 10:07pm

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lool omd this is soo hard! i think im jst gonna have 2 go against my budget and get the 500.
Posted: Thu, 21st Jun 2007, 7:42am

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I've found having manual adjustment on iris and shutterspeed to be very useful if filming day for night so I'd recommend going for a camera with those manual settings. The gs500 does.
Well only sort of. Yes, you can adjust the iris and shutter speed to you heart's content but not manually; it has to be done through the joystick menus.

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Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007, 6:03am

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Hey man, I don't know if you are stuck on any brand or not but I personally use a Sony TVR900. It has the manual focus, external mic imput, tons of pro features, it's 3CCD and the screen is not a touch screen. Anyway, it's a good camera, a bit hard to find but I got mine from ebay. I am very happy with that purchase. Here is a link that should prove helpful, it has lots of useful links biggrin

http://www.bealecorner.com/trv900/

Anyway, good luck with your search.
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007, 3:15pm

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is there anything wrong with getting a hard drive camcorder?
Posted: Fri, 22nd Jun 2007, 4:16pm

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I have one and at first I thought it was great but the quality doesnt match the price and no mic input on most trust me your better off with minidv
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 11:57am

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can you possible tell me which one you guys prefer and why because i am going to order one today

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-NV-GS500-Mini-DV-Camcorder/dp/B000EJENIM/ref=pd_bbs_1/202-3157611-5871042?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1183075896&sr=8-1

OR

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-HV20-Definition-1080i-Camcorder/dp/B000P4SZ80/ref=sr_1_1/203-2348928-4232740?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1182182081&sr=1-1
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 2:39pm

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I finaly got my new PV-GS320, and love it! It was on sell for only $450 US!
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 2:40pm

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how comes panasonic has a PV-GS and NV whats the difference?
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 2:58pm

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I think they're the same, just different codes for different countries.
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jul 2007, 3:23pm

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okay thanks. i brought the NV-GS500 :d
cant wait!