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Microsoft's lastest computer: A touch-controlled computer

Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 6:44pm

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This computer looks amazing. It can interact with objects you place on it's surface. Here's the video link: http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid932579976?bclid=932553050&bctid=933742930

Not sure whether this is old or not. Enjoy.razz



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Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 6:47pm

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Yeah I've seen this before, looks pretty rad
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 6:56pm

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This looks so cool! (and handy wink)

I want one of those. smile

After all, it's only 5-10 thousand bucks. American, probably...
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 7:03pm

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That looks so awesome! Still, with every amazing technology there's a parody.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 7:15pm

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reminds me of the minority report
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 7:33pm

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Wow, looks pretty nice.

Though, I think it would be a waste of money if it was for personal use... It would probably go better as a business type of product, used for..... err, business.

You'd have a hell of a lot of finger prints on it, though.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 8:36pm

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$10 says Steve Jobs claims it's a copy off of the iPhone, despite the size and innovation. smile
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 8:53pm

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Atom wrote:

$10 says Steve Jobs claims it's a copy off of the iPhone, despite the size and innovation. smile
Make that $20.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 9:01pm

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You're on.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 9:04pm

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I just want one.

:EDIT:

Kyal wrote:

That looks so awesome! Still, with every amazing technology there's a parody.
Awesome link BTW.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 9:41pm

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Ahhhhhhhhhh... I'm speach less. christmas is at the end of 2007 too wink

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Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 10:34pm

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Once this becomes widespread and on every single surface in ones house all connected to a central control unit, it'll be cool...

Except for you know... the whole Terminator aspect.
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 10:48pm

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what happens if you spill tea or coffee on it? does it give you a new cup? no, buy a vending machine. Much better use of money
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 11:00pm

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So they've put a Nintendo Wii mixed with a Nintendo DS in a table?

Well done Microsoft. cool
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 11:05pm

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er-no wrote:

So they've put a Nintendo Wii mixed with a Nintendo DS in a table?
Perfect description
Posted: Tue, 26th Jun 2007, 11:46pm

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I know touch screens are cool but Im not a huge fan of them. You always get finger prints and smuges all over the screen. I wonder what would happen if that guy in the video spilled his drink?
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 12:21am

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Rockfilmers wrote:

Ahhhhhhhhhh... I'm speach less. chrismas is at the end of 2007 too wink
Did you figure that one all by yourself? biggrin
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 12:41am

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For some reason, I don't see that being very useful for anyone other then

A. Business that need to draw attention by advertising they have these (Such as hotels)

B. Technically inept people (Who just want to set stuff on it and move stuff around with their fingers, no complexity whatsoever)



I wouldn't use that to do anything aside from maybe impress my friends. Editing video on that would probably be rather frustrating, and since there isn't any tactile feedback, You couldn't use it to write anything for very long.


So essentially, it's the worlds greatest picture album/Web browser!
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 3:02am

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I agree with Bryce on this one. I could never see this thing replacing my computer. Although it's cool that it plays videos... Well that is what my TV and computer are for. It still looks awesome nonetheless.

I swear though, at one point in the video I thought I was looking at a giant iPhone! It was just the angle of how viewed it. crazy
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 3:24am

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From what I've read, MS are marketing this at casinos/hotels/restaurants/retail stores with specific applications in mind. It's not meant to be a replacement for the PC, though I think it is indicative of future PC human-computer interfaces.

Maybe in 10 years from now families will buy a surface PC coffee table, but for now even MS themselves realise this device has a limited market.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 3:26am

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No, don't imagine it for serious computing... just imagine it for convenience... I mean you're eating breakfast and you simply tap the table to bring up the newspaper.

Want to look something up on google? Just move a few things on the nearest table. Send emails, hell you could even make it a video conference thing with the cameras it has in it, as well as just a general phone.

Your phone, all your computers, music players, movie players, photos, and even say... security system (terminator anyone?) could be linked to every single surface in your house... You could turn one entire wall into a movie screen... and the others would become surround sound speakers...

Sure this would be a fair ways into the future, but when I see this stuff, this is where I see it going one day... complete integration. Hell, you could probably flush your toilet with a push on the bathroom wall. razz
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 4:14am

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Evman wrote:

Hell, you could probably flush your toilet with a push on the bathroom wall. razz
My dad's an interior designer/architect at the Palms in Las Vegas (as well as a few other places, but that's irrelevant), and his firm works many of their designs around devices that do exactly that.

He even did a suite where, I think, the whole room service menu and phone was built into the vanity mirror in the bathroom; so you could view the food for breakfast and order it, right after stepping out of the shower.

Cool stuff.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 4:19am

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After reading evman's post, I thought this would be cool: if you set your coffee mug on the table the text arranges itself around the cup. I don't know if this is being considered or was in this video, but I saw a video at another tech website about this and wasn't goint to watch this one. It would make a good universal remote control for your house in general and good for basic media.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 4:38am

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In the MS Surface ad video, they show someone set down a cocktail, and text and condensation bubbles appear in a circle around the base, saying "getting thirsty?". It looked pretty awesome.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 4:24pm

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Bryce007 wrote:

For some reason, I don't see that being very useful for anyone other then

B. Technically inept people (Who just want to set stuff on it and move stuff around with their fingers, no complexity whatsoever)

isnt that exactly what your average home user is and wants ? Isnt that exactly what windows or macs attempt to do right now. If it wasn't for the current type of visual interface we'd still be using command line interfaces. I can't beleive some of you guys cant see the applications for manipulating video and effects on this without the cumbersome mouse. The whole point is not to replace your current computer. Its way beyond that. Its about taking the computer to a new level of use. Yes it will initally be a business tool only but you can bet in a few years. I'll have a coffee table like that and a lot of you will too assuming the technology works properly of course.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 5:25pm

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Whilst it looks incredibly cool i can't see any advantage over the conventional PC- sure it has loads of new gadgets an cool features- but did you see any toolbars, feedback or hint boxes? I didn't- i'd get incredibly confused by the whole thing and it'd be a waste of money!
I think aiming it at the entertainment market is a smart move- but not original- we already have touch screen computers in many places- like musuems and Arcades and stuff.

Is it just me or does it remind me of those really old game systems where you used to play games through the table- can't remember what it was called now...I'll do a search.

Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 5:31pm

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Once again, you're all missing the point... this is for people who CASUALLY use computers. It's more for convenience than anything else, and of course it's not going to be useful until the system i sorta described a few posts back becomes a reality.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 7:15pm

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Editing video on that would probably be rather frustrating, and since there isn't any tactile feedback, You couldn't use it to write anything for very long.

How fo you figure? All you need to do is select a clip and drag and drop it in the timeline just like if you were useing a mouse.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 7:25pm

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But real editting goes beyond 'drag & drop.' But you haven't reached that stage yet, obviously.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 7:30pm

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What I mean is moving the clips and triming, dork. Think, what is the difference between a curser and your finger with that thing.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 7:43pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

But real editting goes beyond 'drag & drop.' But you haven't reached that stage yet, obviously.
Yeah that was a bit harsh...
That's all editing really is in essence... "Drag and drop".

It's just the creative talent that the editor has that makes the drag and drop process mean something in the end.

I can totally see how it could be easier for editing, you can make the timeline bigger or smaller as well as the monitor, and since its a huge table anyway, you can really see the quality of the images a lot better.

Not to mention with the multi-touch feature, its easier for 2 or more people to sit around it and try out some ideas.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 7:48pm

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Rockfilmers wrote:

What I mean is moving the clips and triming, dork. Think, what is the difference between a curser and your finger with that thing.
The diference is sloppy. It is much more precise with a cursor.

And don't call me a dork.

You do have a point Evman, but when you go past the original Drag & Drop, that's where it gets frustrating.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 7:59pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

You do have a point Evman, but when you go past the original Drag & Drop, that's where it gets frustrating.
Original Drag & Drop? What is it now, an art form?


SilverDragon7 wrote:

And don't call me a dork.
And don't condescend to other users.

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Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 8:01pm

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That's when you start the rough edit of a movie.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 8:10pm

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If precision matters so much, you wouldn't use your finger for editing. You would pass a sharp object over the time line to designate a "cut." Then, you could use another object or your fingers to drag the clips.

If NLE companies decided to use Surface as a video editing table (which I doubt will happen any time soon), they'd probably ship with the software physical time line objects for which to manipulate the surface.
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 11:55pm

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That computer is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
biggrin eek
Posted: Wed, 27th Jun 2007, 11:59pm

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SilverDragon's right. There's no real practical application for editing; as it's more "cut" than simple "drag and drop". Making an assembly and putting the right clips in the right order is fine, but since you can't be as exact in cutting with the touch of a finger, I dunno how this would work efficiently.
Posted: Fri, 29th Jun 2007, 3:21am

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the only problem i see with this is that you will develop back problems.......
Posted: Sat, 30th Jun 2007, 9:54pm

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ben3308 wrote:

SilverDragon's right. There's no real practical application for editing; as it's more "cut" than simple "drag and drop". Making an assembly and putting the right clips in the right order is fine, but since you can't be as exact in cutting with the touch of a finger, I dunno how this would work efficiently.
Actually, it's possible to make it work. If you used a stylus, or a plastic razor as evman suggusted, you could at least get an estimate. Then you could double tap and maybe a Window would pop up where you could set the outpoint of the clip until you were satisfied not by dragging, but by tapping an arrow-over button. I think it's possible, but they'd have to develop it from the ground up unlike most current systems. It could actually end up being pretty cool and almost traditional, but still digital.

Though this computer seems clearly for the consumer. I'd kill to have my house and electronics powered by a central system with everything in sync.