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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 3:24pm

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Saw the sneak peek last night, and I've got to say, this movie was so damn much fun and so campy, I was entertained during the entire film.


VERY, VERY good CGI as well. I've never seen metals and composites look this dead realistic on screen in any film. The lighting was also incredible.


What also stood out was the unusually large amount of actuallly funny humor injected into a majority of the scenes.

All in all? The most fun film since 300.

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Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 6:44pm

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I'm gonna try and see this today.

I can't wait.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 9:02pm

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I really wanna see that film!!!

btw, i found this on wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers_%28film%29#Effects)

"The physical props only amount to 12 out of 600 effects shots,[49] which were completed by Industrial Light & Magic, and they spent thirty-eight hours rendering each frame of the computer generated characters due to their complex designs"

38 hours for 1 frame?! i can't imagine how long it would render on a normal desktop pc - probably like a month/frame.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 10:15pm

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Yeah its getting good reviews. Everyone says its visually amazing. Going tonight.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 10:18pm

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I thought it was fantastic! Really enjoyed it, I want to go and see it again. smile
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 10:39pm

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my brother, who is a staunch opponent of the movie, just called me to tell me that he loved it. I cannot wait to see this movie.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 11:18pm

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I am hopefully going to see this tonight. My friend wanted to see this with me today but he has other less-important stuff to do and he won't be able to see it. He asked me if I would go and see it on thursday. My response: "HELL NO. I'm seeing it tonight!"

BTW Waser, I thought it was chase that thinks Transformers is gonna blow. Am I correct?
Posted: Tue, 3rd Jul 2007, 11:35pm

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I saw it today and thought it was great! Definitely one of the best movies I've seen this year.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 2:03am

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Wow, just got back from it. What an action movie. Now I never really knew anything about Transformers cause it was big before my time, but damn Bay knows how to make action and yet make it extremely funny.

All I can say is go see it yourself. Go see this and Die Hard 4 to get the definitive summer popcorn flicks.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 2:31am

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Eff character development. This movie is a true piece of entertainment. Though, at times, I felt like the movie resembled the old "Seizure Bots" website more than it did the actual Transformers.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 3:11am

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That's the most fun i've had at the movies in a long time.

It was big, dumb, stupid, with no story and no scientific fact based logic at all, but it was totally kickass and its a frickin awesome ride.

If you don't think about it at all, its the best movie you'll see in a long time.

EDIT:

And did anyone else's theater play that totally kickass trailer for that handheld movie about a monster or something in the city with J.J. Abrams involved? That movie looked totally kickass!

Anyone know what its called?
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 3:34am

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It's codenamed "Project Cloverfield" right now. It's a Godzilla style movie film entirely with handheld cameras. (That's what I hear at least)
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 3:38am

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That preview was utterly fantastic and the instant I saw the explosion off in the distance I knew that I'll be seeing that movie as it looks unbelievably awesome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloverfield
http://www.cinematical.com/2007/07/02/matt-reeves-directing-secret-cloverfield-movie-source-says/

I actually came out of the movie talking just as much about that preview as I was about the actual movie.

Everyone make sure you get to the theater early to catch this preview, as its unbelievably cool.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 4:53am

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MEGATRON!

PRIME!






HELL YES.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 6:35am

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Just got back.



It was definitely a good movie, and the CG was awesome, but as a "mindblowing action popcorn movie" it just didn't do it for me. The trailer made it seem hugely epic, like Bad Boys 2 seemed, but the moive wasn't.

In fact, and I hate to say this: the movie reminded me alot of Batman: Forever (a movie that I ADORE, mind you) in that it had alot of stuff I loved to watch, but too much camp and cheesiness.

I expected more out of Michael Bay. Unlike the Island, Armageddon, and the Bad Boys genre, this was completely lacking in badassness for me. It had SOME, but generally it was a little too...........underwhelming.

Everything in this movie was cool, and I have no idea how it could've been done better (find a girl of equal hotness who isn't embarassing to watch act, maybe) but this wasn't a "rush" for me at all, in fact, I've liked almost any other "guy" movie I've seen in the past year or two better than this (300, V for Vendetta, M:I:3, Live Free or Die Hard)

If you want a thrill ride, see Die Hard. If you want Tranfsorming goodness, see Transformers.

7/10.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 7:54am

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ben3308 wrote:

The trailer made it seem hugely epic, like Bad Boys 2 seemed, but the moive wasn't.
Hey? You thought Bad Boys 2 was epic?! smile
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 3:45pm

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I thought Bad Boys 2 was epic in that they made the trivial issues of a few people seem like huge, worldly problems that several people had to be killed over. Everything was on a grand scale, what with the car flipping over other cars in the highway scene. Cool stuff.

"They got Gina!"
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 4:11pm

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Absolutely loved it. Shia Labeouf does a great job at the characters he plays. He totally pulled off the "Ben", and I think that's why Ben didn't pull into enough, because he was somewhat embarassed by the uncanny resemblance of personalities both him (minus the Megan Fox smile) and my parents have to the Witwicky's.

Just thought that was a fun little thing, but enough! All-in-all Transformers was a great movie. While feeling a little underwhelming in the middle with the Barricade/Police Cruiser v. Bumblebee/Camaro, the action came smashing to a high-octane climax after that, and in true Transformers fashion, kept the cheesy Autobot one-liners and formation-fighting to it's fullest, without trying to waste time explaining anything more than:

They are robots from space. They transform. Megatron is the bad guy. He's already here. He's gonna kill/transform earth with the Allspark Cube.

SPOILERS.........Maybe? wink

After that, not in the expected Michael Bay fashion, the point was left moot. And I really liked that. The rest of the movie was laid out without trying to have some grand end-of-the-world scheme growing (example....hmm.....Hellboy?) with Megatron. Instead, the plot became smaller and, in a way, more believable. Like, dare I say it, the 'good' parts of "War of the Worlds", except with kickass robots. So how was there resolution? In a sense, there wasn't, but Bay wasn't really trying to offer any, just a good, fun, 'giant effing robots are coming!' movie. He did that, and I can safely say he was the right person for the job because of that.

And the cube? They fought for it, and Shia Labeouf ran with it, and most of all it allowed Bay, if only for a second, to focus on the heroic, selflessness that is Optimus Prime (and with Peter Cullen's voice, at that!). Prime was Prime, and I loved it. For those 80s children that, as Wired says, worshiped him as a paternal figure, I hope it came through in this film, as it looked to me like it did.

An action-drama man myself, you'd expect me to say "bah! no character development!". But honestly, if you expect a grand amount of character development in a stompy transforming robots movie trying to appeal to a wide range of people, shame on you.

It's a
BIG, STOMPY, TRANSFORMING, ROBOTS MOVIE!

My opinion? Best movie of the summer, and a competitively GINORMO-BLOCKBUSTER summer at that, not to mention it's the cheapeast of all of them.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 4:23pm

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Warning. Tarn-Rant incoming.

Evman wrote:

If you don't think about it at all, its the best movie you'll see in a long time.

Atom wrote:

An action-drama man myself, you'd expect me to say "bah! no character development!". But honestly, if you expect a grand amount of character development in a stompy transforming robots movie trying to appeal to a wide range of people, shame on you.
I think it's a little depressing that people accept crap movies these days, or massive inadequacies in the story/character departments, and use excuses such as "well, it's got stompy transforming robots in it, so what did you expect?", as if expecting, you know...a good movie is somehow out of order, just because you're dealing with a sci-fi or action movie.

Have people forgotten all the great action/genre movies that are also great films?

Star Wars. Die Hard. Terminator. T2. Alien. Aliens. Lethal Weapon. Back to the Future. Lord of the Rings. Total Recall. Starship Troopers. Predator. Etc.

I'm not saying these movies have to be cerebral arthouse affairs - as the list above clearly shows. They're still massively mainstream, massively entertaining - but they're also good movies, in every department.

That's what people used to expect. Now, however, we'll forgive anything, use excuses such as "well, it's got robots in it, so what did you expect?" and ridicule anyone who happens to have higher standards.

It's a shame. A real shame.

Rant over (FOR NOW!).

As for Transformers, we don't get it until the end of this month. Reviews seem to be absolutely all over the shop, so I've no idea what to expect. This and this is basically what I fear, and this is what I'm hoping for, but don't really expect.

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Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 4:25pm

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This was one of the few movies that I like, but I don't know why. Transformers was extremely entertaining. The graphics... holy hell... the graphics. I was in awe. I can say that 99% of the CG in this movie looked REAL.

SPOILER ALERT:
I loved Starscream. He was totally kickass. I like how they only showed the president once(his red socks) and his only line was to have some Ho-hos.

The only thing I didn't like was that trippy little robot that was hacking the system. He was annoying to me.

Megan Fox was SMOKING
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 5:41pm

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Finally i saw it today !! and i live in europe, went to an early screening smile it was great, fantastic effects! i heard they are planning a sequel.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 6:43pm

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Tarn, that's not quite what we're saying.

I know that I for one am simply saying that you can definitely tell that the movie isn't trying to be much more than a special effects action slugfest with giant robots. Once you realize that thats what it is, you can have fun with it.

It's by no means going to win any awards, and its certainly not the best film of all time, but it works, because it was a hell of a ride. I liken it more to a roller coaster than a movie in some ways, which, for a movie coming out around the Fourth of July here in the US, is alright by me.

It'll have you gaping at the screen the entire time due to the eye popping visuals... and in a film society now-a-days where stuff like that is usually shunned under the carpet by critics unless theres a really heavy story behind it with excellent characters that can sometimes get in the way of $hit blowing up ( razz ), it's refreshing to see a movie that in no way takes itself too seriously and is just a damn good time at the movies.

This is not to say I hate movies with character development and story (in fact I usually scoff at big action movies such as this), but I just had so much fun watching the movie that I didn't care this time around.


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I must re-iterate to anyone who has yet to go see it - WATCH THE PREVIEWS BEFORE THE MOVIE. The preview for the JJ Abrams movie is perhaps the greatest trailer I have ever seen, and it is not online yet (but even if it is at some point, I'd refrain from watching it until you get to a theater, cause you really really need to be in the theater to experience it's full effect).
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 7:17pm

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Oh Em Gee


I'm glad I wore a diaper during this movie... Cuz I shat thou pants

That was the funnest movie experience I've had in a longggg ass time.
I will see this again.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 10:18pm

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Best movie since 300, even better then 300. Best movie I'm likely to see all year. Also I would not say that this movie is void of character development, but it's not exactly the main focus of this film. But each character does have a distinct personality that people will enjoy, save the decepticons which really don't get much more attention then big smashy action sequences, but its alright because I think that makes thier characters less predictable because you don't know what they're thinking.

This movie also has some of the best action sequences to date. The way they are stylized and pulled off is simply amazing. The CGI-practical effect integration is simply stunning. Its really Bay's best work to date and a MUST SEE for everyone, you won't be dissappointed unless you have your expectations set way to high.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jul 2007, 11:19pm

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SPOILERS WILL BE BELOW

Holy mutha fudgin shiznitz!!!! That was amazing. I have to say, it has been a while since I have seen a movie, where I am still breathing heavily 30 minutes after it (or that could be because it is 117F right now =/)
This movie was over the top. Amazing. I can't remember the last time I went to a movie, and when the credits rolled, the whole crowd clapped. That is saying something.

The perfect opening. They showed the helicopter transformer thingy come in, and just clean up the place. It was great. Great way to show you what to expect. It was truly amazing.

The middle, although somewhat slow, was perfect in the sense it had a cartoonish like feel to it. It was full of laughs, and real laughs at that.

The climax of the film, which I would have to say is, when Megatron woke up, from then on, it was a nonstop action ride. Just wonderful in every aspect. Great camera shots, and it looked real. That is the thing, it looked practically real.

A shot a liked alot is when you see from inside a taxi cap, like a passengers view, watching as Optimus Prime and Megatron slam into the ground. Great shot.
Another is when Starscream takes out those fighter jets. Just great. And in the end, it hints a well deserved sequel, since starscream escaped (all be it, a sequel will be hard to pull off).
It was just a great piece. Really, 38 hours on average to render each frame? that is amazing.

But ya, WahWahWeeWah, giant stompy robots kick ass!
Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007, 12:01am

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Evman wrote:

The preview for the JJ Abrams movie is perhaps the greatest trailer I have ever seen
Holy flaming crap. I forgot about that with all the giant robot action, but now that you bring it up, that trailer left the whole theater in awe. My god, I want to see that movie.
Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007, 6:11am

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Tarn, I completely understand what you're saying, but.....


Kids at my school say the same thing about movies I like, like Deja Vu or M:I3 (and this isn't to say these are the ONLY films I like), and I have to explain to them that I like these movies because they drive an intensity with better-than-usual light, cinematography, and grading.

In this regard, I have respect for Michael Bay and the style he puts in his movies, because I know how hard it is to sculpt that style from doing similar stuff.

Moreover, movies that drive action that people tend to generally like almost always have some elements that make for better storytelling, memorable characters, and funny quirks in a script. The Die Hard quadrilogy has done so well because they've put a witty, memorable character in some pretty standard action scenarios.

In the case of Transformers, the Shia Labeouf character was generally well-created (perhaps not developed) as an outcast teen of sorts with tons of sexual tension and a faux-suave attitude.

All-in-all, I liked Transformers, but it doesn't strike me as a largely unique or memorable movie. Seems more like 16 Blocks or the Italian Job: something people liked, just not something that will go down as an audience classic/favorite.
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Ill keep it short.


I really really really liked this movie. The non-Transformers parts, IE human sub plots weren't too interesting (had no major problem with them though), but everytime a Transformer was on screen, I was in heaven, particularly whenever the Autobots were talking to each other. Prime's little speech about how humans are a young species so on and so forth really struck home.

Awesome movie.
Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007, 7:05am

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ben3308 wrote:

I expected more out of Michael Bay.
That was your first mistake.

I didn't expect anything more than a fun-filled CG fest, and that's all I got! Easily some of the best CG ever in this movie, holy crap. It got a bit "okay I get it, they can transform" toward the end, but I guess the main point of the film was "Hey, we can do it!"

It's nothing that's going to win any awards, and I personally thought Die Hard was quite a bit more entertaining, but it's a movie about giant robots that turn into cars, it's got a lot of action, great CG, hot girls, and Shia LaBeouf. What more do you want from a summer blockbuster?
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It was a great movie. It was all I hoped for.
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Rating: +1

Tarn wrote:

I think it's a little depressing that people accept crap movies these days, or massive inadequacies in the story/character departments
Some times you eat an expensive, healthy, first class dinner and sometimes you just like to go to McDonalds and grab a cheap, unhealthy Burger. You can enjoy both at exactly the same level, if even in different ways.
I wouldn't necessarily say one is crap just because it isn't the other. Each can be, depending on your needs, just what you wanted and needed. smile


Transformers opens end of the month here and I'll certainly go see it. Judging from what I've heard so far, I'll expect an awesome Burger!
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Sollthar wrote:

Tarn wrote:

I think it's a little depressing that people accept crap movies these days, or massive inadequacies in the story/character departments
Some times you eat an expensive, healthy, first class dinner and sometimes you just like to go to McDonalds and grab a cheap, unhealthy Burger. You can enjoy both at exactly the same level, if even in different ways.
I guess that's just another difference of opinion, then, as I'd never go to McDonald's for a burger. I'd go to a restaurant/pub/etc that could give me a proper, meaty, hopefully hand-made burger. Or, even better, I'd make a burger myself, if I had the time.

It doesn't have to be expensive and healthy, though. I just ask for it to be good. Which is the same with the films - I'm not asking for them to insert deep philosophical thoughts and the meaning of life into Die Hard. But I do expect more than a cardboard-thin, tasteless burger in cheap, flimsy bread.

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Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007, 10:15am

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As a burger connoisseur, I am permanently on the look-out for the ultimate burger. Hand-made patties made from real ground meat, are undoubtedly the holy grail, but i still enjoy a tasty grease-fest from BK. In fact i regularly go out of my way to go to BK, when i could be saving up to go to a Michellin star restaurant and have the best burger on the planet.

They both satisfy my needs, even though I fully understand that one is a true taste sensation and the other no more than a fat-induced endorphin rush.
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Xcession wrote:

In fact i regularly go out of my way to go to BK, when i could be saving up to go to a Michellin star restaurant and have the best burger on the planet.
Ah, but it doesn't have to be about extremes all the time. It's not a matter of going for the worst or the absolute best. You don't have to go for Michelin star everytime. But an expectation of a certain minimum quality can't be a bad plan, surely?

You expect certain things when you bite into a burger, no matter where you're getting it from. It doesn't always have to be the best burger in the world, but it needs to meet certain criteria. That's what I wish action/genre movies would be doing - they don't always have to be classics, but they could at least try and be good.

I might have burger tonight.
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I really doubt Michelin restaurants sell burgers. I've been in a couple and it's only high end food... lol
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Sure they do, except they're not called "Burgers". They'd probably be called a "Wagyu and [n] patty served on a bed of [x] with [y'd] pommes de terre in a [z] jus"
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Heh, I think it comes down to the one thing... Actually I think McDonalds make the best Burgers around. I simply honestly love them for what they are.
(The only reason I don't go to McDonalds too often is the fact they're pretty pricey here)

Tarn wrote:

But an expectation of a certain minimum quality can't be a bad plan, surely?
Sure. But I think it ultimately comes down to what that "minimum quality" actually consists of, and that's simply where tastes are different. smile
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Funny, the forum turned into a forum about what is the best burger. wink I like Windey's, and TGI Fridays
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Only in a place as beautiful as FXHome could such a thing happen.
Posted: Thu, 5th Jul 2007, 4:56pm

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After reading this forum I got very hungry.

Oh, and Transformers blew me away. It was probably the best movie I've seen all year. I hate to say this but... I enjoyed it more than Grindhouse. Now I have to go see Ratatouille and Die Hard.
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Favorite Movie experience since The Matrix. Absolutely awesome. Going to see it again this weekend.
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I saw it yesterday. Wow. Visually epic. Some of the acting was bad and dialougue was pretty cheesy, but I wasn't expecting them to be amazing. I was expecting an action packed movie, and that what I got. Probably rate it a 9/10 or so. Although, I think this guy liked it alot more: http://www.flickr.com/photos/punkjr/698895174/ lol wink
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The biggest problem everyone is going to have with this movie is going to be the girl's acting, I can almost guarantee it. Generally, if there's a hot girl in a movie, I can look past it, but the way Megan Fox delivered her lines made me want to slap myself.

BUT.....

The production designer saw fit to make all her costumes not fit well enough on her, and thus we see midrift the entire film, what with other things.

I might be going to see Transformers again tonight, I'll have to pass a second judgment later. From what Tarn has had to say, I doubt he'll really like Transformers as much as everyone else is.
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I'm definitely going to see it again just to see that trailer again.

It alone is worth the 8 bucks.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007, 4:19pm

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I liked the trailer, but I don't think it was ANMAZING111! or anything. Probably, though, the effect of it was mostly ruined for me since I heard about it beforehand.

A trailer that successfully pulls off the teaze/hook like that? Red Eye.

Scary as hell the first time I saw that.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007, 6:28pm

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Yeah I knew NOTHING about it going in and had hear absolutely nothing about the movie, so the trailer came totally out of left field for me.

The entire audience was literally in stunned silence after and even as Transformers itself was starting everyone started whispering as to how kickass that trailer was.

It was like a visualization of a nightmare - thats the best way I can describe it.


EDIT:
Oh and yeah, Red Eye was a fantastic movie, but I really don't think that trailer was anything special...
Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007, 6:32pm

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What is this trailer everyone is on about? Anybody got any details? I doubt we'll get it in front of TF here, due to differing release/marketing plans.
Posted: Fri, 6th Jul 2007, 6:34pm

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Michael Bay is good at explosions and action films so this was a good film for him to do, but when it comes to the actual story and the big picture it was not anything special. Im probably the only one who noticed this but alot of the military vehicles and equipment was so bad it was funny. Most of the tanks were Vietnam era tanks and I noticed a few Russian made RPD's being used by U.S. Troops. I know this isnt that Important but I have a tendency of noticing this kind of stuff. These things didnt suprise me after his Pearl Harbor movie. biggrin

But if your looking for a good time at the movies, this is the one to see.
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Alright, I'll only say it since you're right and you probably won't get it.




SPOILERS (If you plan on seeing Transformers, I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH - DON'T READ THIS)


It opens with the Bad Robot Productions logo, which is JJ Abrams (of Lost, Alias, and MI3 fame) company. Then it cuts to a party - which we find out is a going away party for some guy. The entirety of the trailer is shot handheld with consumer camcorders (ala Blair Witch). The person with the camera goes around asking people why the guy whos going away is all great and stuff. Then out of nowhere - theres a far off roaring sound, theres a minor earthquake, and the lights dim.

Next it cuts to the camera focusing on a TV that everyone is watching saying "we've got reports in of a giant roaring sound from all over the New York area". The party decides to head up to the roof to check out whats going on... They're all sorta just hanging out there kinda confused, until theres a scream and the camera whips around and shakily zooms into to see all of lower Manhattan engulfed in a humongous fireball. The fireball starts shooting out flaming debris everywhere, some of which heads right for the people on the roof, and they run to the stairs. As they're going down, the camera operator drops the camera down the stairs and it goes black and silent in and out a few times before he picks it up again.

Next they all go outside and everyone is screaming. We hear some guy say something like "It's Alive! It's HUGE!" The camera pans off into the darkness down the street, until a gigantic roar is heard, and something flies towards the crowd. It smashes into a building, ricochets into the street, and the camera operator dives out of the way, turns around, and focuses on what it was, and it was the Statue of Liberty's torn off head.

Then it cuts to black.

Then it says "From Producer JJ Abrams" and then "In Theaters 1-18-06" Then a really quick list of people involved go by within like a second... and then Transformers starts.

It literally felt like I was watching a nightmare (what with all the handheld, and how dark it was), and it definitely evoked some 9-11 images (none bad though) - as one guy on a forum I saw said he was there on 9-11 when the second plane hit and the statue of liberty's head hitting the ground like that felt so real to him.

Google it to find the mass of speculation on it... some are saying its a Lost tie in while others think it's simply the next Godzilla movie.

I hope it's something new completely, think Blair witch meets Godzilla only with a more kickass monster.

Either way, theres some completely "Lostish" internet stuff going on with websites like www.1-18-08.com (could the date be the title or when the movie takes place?) freaking people out as well as blogs starting to say weird things.

EDIT - it's under the working title "Cloverfield" right now, but as you can tell thats probably not the real title.

END SPOILERS

See it!
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Atom wrote:

A trailer that successfully pulls off the teaze/hook like that? Red Eye.
Yeah, that first Red Eye trailer was great, and really misleading. Too bad the movie ended up being a pile of crap.
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Yea, the trailer was pretty cool. Everyone was talking right after the thing ended. I don't know what it is, but it definately caught everyone's attention, and chances are Transformers thing will sell more tickets then Spiderman. (Which, I reluctantly have to say did in fact sell more tickets then PotC *tear*)

So with that in mind, anyone who goes to the movies will be inticed into seeing this film.
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I saw it again tonight and I am pleased to report that it in fact gets better each time you watch it!

And the trailer was awesome too.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 2:30pm

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crappy you tube version I found:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luZzNPGSvWo

News blurb about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcPvu5canE

Looks like a cross between Lost and X-Files, lol.
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Tarn wrote:

Sollthar wrote:

Tarn wrote:

I think it's a little depressing that people accept crap movies these days, or massive inadequacies in the story/character departments
Some times you eat an expensive, healthy, first class dinner and sometimes you just like to go to McDonalds and grab a cheap, unhealthy Burger. You can enjoy both at exactly the same level, if even in different ways.
I guess that's just another difference of opinion, then, as I'd never go to McDonald's for a burger. I'd go to a restaurant/pub/etc that could give me a proper, meaty, hopefully hand-made burger. Or, even better, I'd make a burger myself, if I had the time.

It doesn't have to be expensive and healthy, though. I just ask for it to be good. Which is the same with the films - I'm not asking for them to insert deep philosophical thoughts and the meaning of life into Die Hard. But I do expect more than a cardboard-thin, tasteless burger in cheap, flimsy bread.
I like to go to art galleries and can spend ages studying and learning from the work of a great painter or go to the theatre and be moved by actors performing great plays... but sometimes I like to put my brain in my back pack, strap myself into a roller coaster and go for a pure midless adrenalin rush.

I love great cinema, well scripted, beautifully shot with fine actors, it can educate me and move me. However sometimes I like to just watch some great effects and go wow.

I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive?
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petet2 wrote:

I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive?
Well, exactly. That's what makes Die Hard such a great action film - it takes a relatively straightforward action scenario, but then populates it with a fantastic lead character and some genuinely entertaining/interesting villains and supporting characters. It's not just a mindless action romp - it also takes the time to establish characters, which is a big part of why it's considered a classic.
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Lol - I was meaning that just because I like to watch good movies doesn't mean I can't enjoy the occasional B (or even Z) movie.

Maybe it comes from spending so many years renting videos from a local shop which had a great selection of horror/sci fi movies that I hadn't heard of before and haven't heard of since. Formulaic plots, stereotypical characters but some good action, a bit of gore and a few good jumps. Yes there are better movies to watch but they filled a good many pleasant evenings with friends and a few beers.

But yes I agree there are some classics that tick both the "action" and "great movie" boxes and would second your list above (did you have John Carpenter's The Thing in it?).
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Ah yes, The Thing is great. smile

I also have nothing against b-movies - I love indulging in the occasional, nonsensical b-movie. But the thing is, they still tend to have a certain passion, and they also have an excuse for having to skimp on some areas, due to lack of resources. The enjoyment half the time comes from what they did manage to achieve, not what they didn't.

It's mainly the big budget, Hollywood 'b-movies' that annoy me, which don't really have any excuses.
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Just got back from seeing it again..

**Spoiler**


I meant to bring this up last time but did any of you notice how the 1st and only transformer to die was the black one (jazz)...? I mean not only in movies do the black humans die 1st but also the robots now... haha

Also, there is a rumor going around on how Starscream helped take down Megatron when shooting at him with the other F-22 pilots. Looking at it now, it looks like he did and it also makes perfect sense for his character to do that as well. If that was intended by the writers as a subtle "only fans might catch" thing, then that was pretty genius. I even did the math too, cuz there were only 3 planes left after SS took the rest out and then he flew next to them making the total 4. And you only saw 4 planes shoot at Megatron.


**End Spoiler**




God I loved that movie.. again
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 9:09pm

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Here's the trailer that showed before Transformers:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/11808/large.html

I suspect the name is the date.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 12:37am

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Yeah theres a thread on it here -

http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=289011#289011

It's brilliant and I suggest you watch it if you refuse to see Transformers (a big mistake... I've seen the movie 3 times now and it actually got better after each viewing).
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OK, deep breath.

Where to start?

First off, I won't be reviewing this as a Transformers film, or comparing it to the stuff I remember from my childhood, or which I read in comics as a teenager. There's simply no point, as this film has nothing to do with any of that.

So, instead I'll look at it simply as a standalone film.

I was generally entertained for most of the film, in a typical being-bludgeoned-over-the-head Michael Bay kind of fashion. It's the kind of film where you almost don't have time to consider whether you're enjoying it or not, there's so much audio-visual mayhem going on. On the other hand, once it's finished, you realise that it was an utterly empty experience.

Let's deal with the stuff I liked first:

Shia Labeoeoeieieieiuuueoeouf. This guy is great! I didn't like him in I, Robot - but that was mainly due to his 'irritating sidekick' style character. In Transformers, however, he's fantastic. Really captured that Harrison Ford/Michael J Fox style of natural acting, which can switch between comedy and 'serious' absolutely seamlessly. As such, any scene that he's in was noticeably better than ones without. Can't wait to see him in Indy 4!

The visual effects. Dear god, these were fantastic! Practically flawless, and one of the first times that CG has felt properly 'there', to the same level as a animatronic or puppet version. The rest of the technicals were of similarly fantastic standard - this is a very, very well produced film. With the notable exception of the script, of course...more on that in a moment.

Peter Cullen. Despite being saddled with some seriously rubbish dialogue, Cullen did a great job. It might just be nostalgia speaking, but he really managed to inject a bit of character.

Other than those three elements, however, this was a remarkably shoddy film.

The biggest mistake? All the military and political scenes. Seeing the soldiers in Qatar and later in New York was ok, with some great action, although most of it was still fairly superfluous. It seemed mostly to be a big advert for the companies that make military hardware than anything else.

All the Jon Voight stuff, and anything relating to the Pentagon, hackers and Sector Seven, though, was utter guff. It was simply intensely dull. This was particularly true in the first half of the film. When we should have been focused entirely on Sam and Bumblebee's attempts to woo Ms Fox, all of which was highly entertaining and brilliantly reminiscent of the golden age of 80s action-comedies, instead we had to keep cutting back to dry offices, meeting rooms and made-up computer talk. The problem for me was that it was all so tiresomely generic - it really could have been footage cut out of any other random disaster/sci-fi movie. It's been seen so many times before, and it utterly sapped the energy of the film. How much better would this film have been if we'd seen it entirely through Sam's eyes, as this larger world was revealed? The military could still have shown up at the end, could still have been involved, but there was really no need to give them such a prominent role.

Then there's the muddled action. Sure, much of it was fantastic - the military's assault on Scorponok (a total non-entity, unfortunately), for example (my prior comment notwithstanding), was awesome, as was Prime's head-to-head with Bonecrusher. However, so much of the rest was shot in such major close-up that it was impossible to see what was going on, and the geography of the end battle was seriously perplexing at times.

This was compounded - or perhaps caused in the first place - by the crappy robot designs. Now, I'm not saying this from a 'purist' point of view. I don't mind that they've changed the designs from the G1 robots - there's been bjillions of Transformers incarnations over the years, some good and some bad. That they rejiggled them isn't what annoys me - that the redesigns were so uninspired does, however.

This is never truer than with Megatron and Starscream who, in both plane and robot mode, look almost identical - especially given that their scenes are almost all action-based, thus filled with wobbly camerawork, lots of blur and fast movement etc.

The general aesthetic was oddly fragile looking, too - it felt like these robots would just snap in two, or get their gears and levers jammed on something. There are so many exposed parts, all you'd have to do to stop one is stick a long pole in-between a couple of struts!

Then there's Frenzy (I think that's what he's called), the little mincing spaghetti robot. What the hell were they thinking? So many of his scenes were played out as if they should be scary, or at least slightly freaky. Instead, it was just hugely camp and a bit odd - almost like there had been a massive miscommunication between the director and the special effects guys. And why on earth could nobody see him, when he was wandering about in plain sight? Very odd.

There were also numerous action scenes that started to be fantastic.....then inexplicably stopped. The first car chase between Bumblebee and Barricade, for example. Given it was a Michael Bay film, I got rather excited as this began - I knew it'd be fantastic, no matter what the rest of the film was like. Instead, it stopped before it even began. Same happened with the Prime-Bonecrusher fight on the freeway, which ended rather quickly.

Then there's the Prime-Megatron battle, which turned into a total non-fight, and was mainly just two robots falling over constantly. Not exactly the epic final battle between to arch-enemies that have been fighting for thousands of years.

Finally, there's the general dialogue. While Shia somehow rescued his, the rest was decidedly ropey. No more so than Optimus', which ended up sounding more like a patronising school teacher, endlessly repeating asinine platitudes and blatantly obvious moral absolutes - while everybody else seemed to completely ignore him. This was no truer than at the end, where you had Optimus going off on yet another speech, while Sam and Ms Fox get jiggy on Bumblebee's bonnet and Ironhide and Ratchet look on in a perving manner, totally ignoring their leader's 'wise words'. The end result was that Prime came across more like a bumbling, slightly senile old codger, rather than a military and visionary genius.

Add in the bizarre over-acting of every black actor in the film, all seemingly willing to hammer home a bunch of stereotypes, followed by John Turturro apparently trying to upstage them all, and you've got a seriously odd film experience.

This was a film which had big stompy robots, but the filmmakers made them say things like "my bad." I guess that just about sums it up right there.
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Finally, there's the general dialogue. While Shia somehow rescued his, the rest was decidedly ropey. No more so than Optimus', which ended up sounding more like a patronising school teacher, endlessly repeating asinine platitudes and blatantly obvious moral absolutes - while everybody else seemed to completely ignore him. This was no truer than at the end, where you had Optimus going off on yet another speech, while Sam and Ms Fox get jiggy on Bumblebee's bonnet and Ironhide and Ratchet look on in a perving manner, totally ignoring their leader's 'wise words'. The end result was that Prime came across more like a bumbling, slightly senile old codger, rather than a military and visionary genius.
Now, I'm no TF-raised kid, but I'm no millennium chilld either. I grew up on good old 80s reruns and 90s camp, and cartoon-expectations aside, I loved Prime. He's exactly what I wanted. Relentlessly good-intentioned and level-headed. That's always what I've surmised was his character. He may have seemed bumbling to you, but to me he seemed just like a kind, ignorant-to-prejudice/ignorance/arrogance guy....er....robot. I don't know as far as militarily, but as a visionary genius, this movie portrays him (IMO) perfectly.

I think the point is, he knows the Autobots listen to him. He knows they stand for good. So, as the moral compass he is, he doesn't parent them about right and wrong. He merely says his reasoning and they agree. I understand your end scene argument, but to me that wasn't representative of Prime in the movie. The scene where Bumblebee is being captured, however, is.

Bumblebee was a good soldier. If we cannot save him without harming the humans, we must go, etc. And "humans are a naive race, much like we were. But, it is the right...of all sentient beings...to have a choice." And they listened. Poetry in motion, man. Big, STOMPY, poetry in motion.

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Add in the bizarre over-acting of every black actor in the film, all seemingly willing to hammer home a bunch of stereotypes, followed by John Turturro apparently trying to upstage them all, and you've got a seriously odd film experience.
I thought this too, but after seeing it a second time with a group, I grew to like the over-the-top character Turturro played. It's very comical and hard to read in a good way. It took some knowledge of what was going to happen already for me to focus more on the characters the movie employed, but they were all really great fun and distinctly different in good ways. "Bring the rain!" I loved it. Watch it again, Tarn, I guarantee it you'll be left with better, more fulfilled thoughts.
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Atom wrote:

I grew up on good old 80s reruns and 90s camp, and cartoon-expectations aside, I loved Prime.
He was definitely the best thing about the movie, besides Shia. Despite my grumbling, I did rather like him - his design worked better in motion than in stills, and Cullen nailed the voice. Though I don't think the metal-animated face thing worked.

He's exactly what I wanted. Relentlessly good-intentioned and level-headed. That's always what I've surmised was his character.
True, and they did hit on that occasionally, and that worked. But the problem is that he came across as a bit naive, too - he seemed too 'young' for his experience and knowledge, I guess. If this was Prime right at the start of the Cybertronian war, then it'd work. But this far into it, it didn't quite work for me.

The scene where Bumblebee is being captured, however, is.
The scene didn't work entirely for me due to the editing. During the entire capture, it didn't cut back to Optimus once. As such, for the whole scene I was wondering what on Earth he was doing. It made him seem like a coward, Sure, he explained it afterwards, but it was handled clumsily - a brief cut back to Prime in anguish/torment would have made the scene far more effective.

Although that highlights the general inability of the robots to 'act'. Other than the voice performances, there wasn't much they could do to convey emotion. In terms of body language, it seemed to come down to really exaggerated, cartoony movements - very broad and sweeping, rather than nuanced. I suspect this is partly due to the jumbled and confusing designs of the robots, which made subtle movement almost impossible to convey, due to the bizarrre number of twiddling and rotating bit and pieces.

And "humans are a naive race, much like we were. But, it is the right...of all sentient beings...to have a choice."
I have to say, that was the one speech that worked really well for me, up on the dam. I really liked that bit.

"Bring the rain!" I loved it.
Tyrese was fine - he did 'proper' acting, and it worked for his military character. It was some of the other actors, who seemed to think they were in American Pie 4, that rather perplexed me. And, to be honest, they'll be the main reason I won't go see it again - they're simply too annoying. It's like watching a cool action movie, but having a couple of idiots in the audience that keep talking to each other, answering mobile phones, throwing things around etc, except these guys were actually in the movie by some odd mistake.

Watch it again, Tarn, I guarantee it you'll be left with better, more fulfilled thoughts.
I think I'll just focus on writing my Transformers comic that tells it how it should have been. wink
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I agree with Tarn for the most part but I liked the film quite a bit less.

All the bad elements (and there were SOOOO many) just destroyed it for me. The TERRIBLE robot designs coupled with the appalling script screwed the film from the start.

Some great action, and some truly amazing effects couldn't save it for me. Ms Fox was utterly stunning to look at and maybe takes Ms Johansson number 1 spot for Hollywood hotness (on my list anyway). Shia was fantastic - he managed to really capture that 80s vibe for a likeable and amusing male lead without taking it too far... The new Michael J Fox? I really hope so! Why they didn't call him Spike I really don't know!

Otherwise the film sucked!

The final shot really summed up the whole experience for me:

A bunch of bored robots (oddly not in robot form, how cheap was that?) watching two slightly less bored humans get jiggy (on top of another robot... sick) while Prime stumbles about in the background mumbling to himself (trying not to stand on plant pots/animals because although he is a highly evolved and complex machine he is a great big klutz) setting up the sequal.

A totally missed opportunity on so many levels...

Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost!
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Michael Bay really knows what it takes to make something entertaining.

I can't say the same for other, more popular directors.


Transformers was simply fantastic in almost every way.


(It had to be said)
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schwar wrote:

The TERRIBLE robot designs
Of course, an 80's TV Show Traditionalist. wink

I think that the designs were the absolute best possible way of making the robots appear functional and realistic, cool, practical, and mostly like they actually transformed from a vehicle form.

A 100-ft box robot wouldn't be cool or realistic. (at least, as 'realistic' as transforming robots can be) A 50-ft, twisted and turned and hydraulic-moving gizmobot is, IMO, far better for a movie today. The designs were awesome. Prime's in particular worked well.

You can say they butchered it, but I say they pimp-o-fied it. wink
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Bryce007 wrote:

Transformers was simply fantastic in almost every way.
I concur. The one summarising word that comes to my mind is "fun". I thought it was a great, fun movie to go on a journey with and experience. smile

After leaving the cinema I immediately wanted to go back in and watch it again, which I don't think I've ever felt like doing in the past. It's definitely my favourite movie of the year (haven't seen Die Hard yet, though...), if not for quite some time. I'm happy to overlook little imperfections due to everything else, especially Shia LaBeouf's scenes.
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Atom wrote:

schwar wrote:

The TERRIBLE robot designs
Of course, an 80's TV Show Traditionalist. wink
You don't need to be an 80s traditionalist to dislike the robot designs. smile

There's many non-G1 incarnations of Transformers which have wildly different designs, but which I still really like - the War Within designs are fantastic, for example, as the Transformers:Cybertron cartoon designs are pretty cool too.

I think that the designs were the absolute best possible way of making the robots appear functional and realistic, cool, practical, and mostly like they actually transformed from a vehicle form.
They didn't seem functional to me, though - they seemed massively over-complex. As I mentioned before, you could stick a pipe in-between a couple of pistons and they'd be totally screwed! Also, the more mechanically complex a machine, the more prone it is to malfunction. Prime's transformations were a case in point: so bizarrely over-complex, with so many pointlessly moving parts. About a third of the movement was actually required for the transformation, the rest just seemed to be ILM showing off how many 'moving pieces' they could do.

Then, of course, there's the odd case of the All Spark. Given that half the point of the robot redesigns was to avoid the stupid 'size shifting' of the cartoon, it was rather perplexing to have the cube magically changing size every other scene.

A 100-ft box robot wouldn't be cool or realistic.
I'm not sure what these 'box robots' are you refer to. smile I wouldn't use just the original cartoon or the toys for reference, as they're by far the least cool depictions of the G1 robots.

This, for example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=QK9ZhUkFOqg is definitely not what it should be. It's a cool effects test, but the robot design there is awful.

The attraction of the Transformers designs was always that they were very human in proportion and expression: that was kinda the whole point. By going so 'roboty' with the movie, that disappeared.

A 50-ft, twisted and turned and hydraulic-moving gizmobot is, IMO, far better for a movie today.
It was cool robot, no doubt. It just wasn't a Transformer. Which is actually fine by me, as it means someone can come along in 10 years time and do a Batman Begins, and do it properly. smile

My main issue with the robot designs, however, has nothing to do with my love of the originals. It's simply that they were so muddled, as soon as the hand-to-hand fighting began, it was just a big mash of metal that made no geographical sense, so any 'coolness' from the fight disappeared in confusion.

And while Prime and the other Autobots had some cool design elements, you gotta admit that Frenzy was a pile of ass. smile
Posted: Tue, 24th Jul 2007, 3:24pm

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Movie was fun to watch, and entertaining. Had NO depth. Not much else to say. Would I see it again, heck yeah, I ride even crappy roller coasters a few times before I'm done with them, .lol.
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Michael Bay must be stopped, no matter the cost!
Don't you mean... stomped? heheh. razz
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The designs were TERRIBLE because...

a) They were vastly over complex and over detailed.

b) As soon as 2 (or more) robots were on the screen in an action sequence you couldn't tell what the hell you were looking at.

c) Magatron and Starscream were virtually the same meaning you didn't know who you were looking at even more. This just struck me as really REALLY lazy.

d) Why, if they can assume the look and functionality of any similar sized object (Starscream was shooting out missiles etc), did all the Autobots pick crappy cars/suvs/lorries when the Decepticons picked military vechicles? Why didn't the Autobots go to the local military base and get uber pimped to take on the Decepticons?

e) Frenzy sucked more than anything else I've seen in the cinema over the last 5 years. There were just too many poor comedy elements.

The film could have been the next great franchise, but it was just pointless fluff. It seemed to be a film with a lot of unresolved ideas which was just made to make a ton of cash.
Posted: Wed, 25th Jul 2007, 8:33am

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schwar wrote:

e) Frenzy sucked more than anything else I've seen in the cinema over the last 5 years. There were just too many poor comedy elements.
Frenzy was the Jar Jar Binks of Transformers - full of bizarre, camp comedy that felt like it had come from a completely different film. He also had exactly the same animation style as Sebulba, Anakin's main racing rival in The Phantom Menace.

It seemed to be a throwback to the late-90s style of ILM animation, when everything they did seemed to be overly cartoony and lack any kind of subtlety. In these post-Gollum and Kong days, they need to do better, really.

While we're on the subject of bad designs, there's also the metal faces. Whoever decided to try and simulate an expressive face using a bunch of shifting metal plates?? At best it simply didn't work, at worst it looked ridiculous and a bit creepy. There was no emotional result in the slightest, as the faces still remained utterly abstract.

Bay and his designers seem to have taken 'robot' too literally. They've designed robots that seem to follow Earth-based 'robotic' rules, except fast-forwarded into super advanced tech. But it's all still based on Earth tech.

The Transformers were always meant to be a bit more than simply 'probably Japanese' robots, hence having properly expressive, malleable faces, and not requiring a mass of pistons, levers, gears and crap. In the movie, these didn't feel like super advanced beings and incredibly sophisticated technology - it just felt like modern day technology, made incredibly over-complicated.

If it was a movie about big stompy robots that were made by humans, or that had evolved out of Earth tech, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But it's not, its Transformers. smile But, then, as I said in my review, it's fairly irrelevant to compare it to the originals as they're so utterly different.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 11:17pm

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Hated it, and here's why:

The film is well produced, there's no doubt about that. The visual effects are top notch and so are most of the other production values. BUT the film basically just missed so many opportunities to be more then a "kiddie teen film", which to me, it is.

And what it definately isn't, is a Transformers movie. The Transformers were basically ripped of any form of characterization and turned into big, dumb, teen-appealing robots that just fight, destroy stuff, say a few terrible lines, then destroy some more stuff or do something "funny" or weird.
Optimus Prime, brilliant strategist and highly intelligent master of the autobots, kills dads flower bed and says "whoops". Then you just know something's wrong.
I won't even go into one of my favorite villains ever having his first line being "I AM MEGATRON!". (The "disgusting" bit was brilliant thought, THAT is megatron how he should be)

The script made no sense and had as much plot holes as it gets. I won't even begin to name the stuff that just doesn't make ANY sense whatsoever when you begin to think about it, because there's just too much.

Ah well. I'm mainly very disappointed now to see all those high production values go into that nothingness that I've just seen instead of a proper Transformers movie. "Missed opportunity" doesn't even do it justice, seeing how far that opportunity has been missed...

3 / 10
Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007, 8:37am

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Sollthar wrote:

"Missed opportunity" doesn't even do it justice, seeing how far that opportunity has been missed...
Amen to that. Still, the Batman franchise had a chance to be 'rebooted' into a very different vision with Batman Begins, so maybe Transformers will get a similar 'second chance' at the hands of people who understand the license one day...
Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007, 9:41am

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Yeah, I thought the movie was good, I agree about the CG, there were great comedy moments too. 4 star biggrin