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My first Full movie is out (my "Indiana Jones" fan

Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 2:12am

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You can see the full movie here: 17min. __ 113mb (its also a wmv sorry but when i export as .mov it looks worse than youtube quality)

http://www.archive.org/download/RebornStudiosIndianaJonesandtheOrbofSouls/IndianaJonesandtheOrbofSoulsfull111.wmv

I'm kinda disapointed in it and wish I had done a better job, but still tell me what you think... also feel free to give critisism

Firstly let me tell you that I know there are very many mistakes such as the 180 and 30 degree rule is broken... a lot. I know Indy's hare changes throughout the film. Heads are cut off, sound quality is poor, ect., ect.

Also for some wierd reason the map sequence got really messed up and stuff it looked great when I checked it in vegas but it got really messed up...

This was our first serious try at a making a movie, special fx, editing, ect.

I also really hate my camera right now, once you see the quality you'll see why, but for my next movie I have started saving up for a

gl1 or trv900
rode video mic
and fxlab

so film quality, sound quality, and fx will be improved greatly on my next film. We will also have many more actors in our next film. And most importantly I know what to improve on and what not to do and what to do.

thanks in advanced for watching.

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Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 3:21am

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Is this the one that got a couple of scenes posted a while ago?

Downloading.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 3:27am

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yeah
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 5:26am

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Just finished watching. I'm not going to focus on reviewing or criticising the effects or any rules or whatever that may or maynot have been broken cause frankly I don't really know them and am pretty new to filmmaking. So I'll stick to the things I do know.

First off, costuming seemed to be a half/half effort. While Indiana Jones and Vox both had costumes that showed an good deal amount of effort to create, it looked like the two villians missed that boat. The first think I noticed with the Nazi with the gun were his out of place shoes. Army surplus is pretty easy to come by these days and a small bit of tweaking to mentioned surplus can recreate a believable nazi uniform.

Next was the script. While it followed the Raiders formula to the dot, I felt like I was skipping around a real film and missing scenes. Now I can't really offer a solution to that because one would have to make a considerably longer video to really make a satisfying story like that of the Jones trilogy.

Concerning the dialogue, I really don't think there was enough of it. I'm still not sure what the Orb of Souls is or what it does other than it didn't help that Nazi out too much when he was holding it.(I'll watch again to see maybe if I missed it in which case I will apologize) I didn't really know anything about any of the characters. It was Jones, a Brody-esque character, a nameless nazi, a villian I assume is like Beloq, and a Raiden-looking guy with a british accent. There is barely any interaction between Jones and the villians. That hurts the film because when it comes to the action I don't feel that tension that is there when, say Jones fights the Nazi Commander on the tank in Crusade.

Now to the acting. Indiana Jones was actually pretty good. That may be cause he looks the part very well. I didn't really think the Brody-esque character was too great until the last scene which I thought was a bit better. A bit more casual talk rather than right to business might have made him actually seem like an old friend rather than plot device. The Vox character was pretty good. The different accent was good. The villians I think could have used more to work with but also could definitly have used a few more takes.

On a side note, the shaky camera during the action scenes was, I felt, distracting but I do understand that some people like that and while I do agree it works with some films, Say the bourne flicks, it seems out of place in Indiana Jones. Also, I think there were too many cuts in the courtyard scene where Indiana gets his assignment.

Still though. This is bigger than anything I've done yet so kudos to you. You matched the music very well and it was fun to watch as an avid Indiana Jones fan. So good job.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 2:12pm

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Frosty G wrote:



First off, costuming seemed to be a half/half effort.
Yeah it kinda was, but I would tell them wear lond button down shirt and kaki pants and they would come with a t and shorts, refused to wear the clothes I brought, but we were desperate

Frosty G wrote:


I felt like I was skipping around a real film and missing scenes.
Yeah thats one of the main things I was dissapointed in. I didnt take enough time to see if each scene flowed... and they didnt, so I tried to cover it up with fades and stuff.

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Concerning the dialogue, I really don't think there was enough of it.
Yep, we never wrote a script and I really wish we had, and I'm defenatly writing one for my next film... actually I've already started

Frosty G wrote:


I didn't really know anything about any of the characters.
Yeah we didnt take enough time on character development, which is one of the big things in our next film

Frosty G wrote:


Now to the acting. The villians I think could have used more to work with but also could definitly have used a few more takes.
Yeah the kid that played the nazi probably wont be in my next movie... maybe only as an extra

Frosty G wrote:


On a side note, the shaky camera during the action scenes was, I felt, distracting but I do understand that some people like that and while I do agree it works with some films, Say the bourne flicks
our next movie is very "bourne-ish"

Frosty G wrote:


Still though. This is bigger than anything I've done yet so kudos to you. You matched the music very well and it was fun to watch as an avid Indiana Jones fan. So good job.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to reply
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 2:53pm

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I think the camera work was rather obnoxious, although it was the same in my first attempt at a movie (opposed to a short). It was giving me a headache, and you didn't really give the camera a chance to focus on one object. BUT all in all i liked it. I watched it the whole way through without fast forwarding, so that is a big plus. The acting was pretty good, and I understand your problem with actors not cooperating so I won't comment on some of the costumes. Sound: the talking needed to be heard better, so talk louder, and the leaves in the forest/jungle.... I'd just have lowered the volume alot, and maybe used a jungle ambiance sound. The effects were fine. Hmmm. If you get CompositeLab, I'd grade your next one.

Good Job! Keep trying!
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 3:14pm

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Vale wrote:

Sound: the talking needed to be heard better, so talk louder, and the leaves in the forest/jungle....
I'm getting a rodevideo mic so the sound will greatly improve

Vale wrote:


If you get CompositeLab, I'd grade your next one.
Yeah I am grading the next one

thanks for replying
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 4:54pm

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Yep, we never wrote a script and I really wish we had, and I'm defenatly writing one for my next film... actually I've already started
I'll watch the movie later and will post some constructive criticism after that but had to highlight this admission right away. I'm not saying that every movie I have ever shot has had a full typed script that my actors have learned by heart but no script at all?

You need something written down to ensure that you film all the shots you need and also to keep control over the dialogue. Ad libbed conversations are hard for professionals to pull off convincingly and are a total no go area for amateurs or your original concept will quickly dissolve into a ramble.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 5:10pm

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yeah I know... well now I know and we have started on a script and the actors will learn their lines before getting on camera and everything. I really didnt know that not having a script could affect the film that much, atleast its something I can fix on my next film.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 6:30pm

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RebornProductions wrote:


Yeah it kinda was, but I would tell them wear lond button down shirt and kaki pants and they would come with a t and shorts, refused to wear the clothes I brought, but we were desperate
I completely understand that, my friends don't even get that far to ignore my costume selections. They say they will be in my film and then not show.


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our next movie is very "bourne-ish"
Thats awesome, bourne rocks. I'm working on my own bourne-ish film at the moment too in celebration of the third film's release. Good luck with yours.
Posted: Sun, 8th Jul 2007, 10:16pm

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Frosty G wrote:

Good luck with yours.
thanks you too
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 1:03am

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I liked it.. For a first attempt you covered alot of bases and missed some essentials. People don't realize the time and effort it takes to build a story, film it, edit it, and render a good copy for viewing. I thought you did a pretty good job.
Now,
Here is a test or practice idea for you. Take an existing movie or show(a show might work better) and cut it up into workable scenes.Create a storyboard initially with the show in mind and put the cut clips in a basic timeline order to fit your storyline.Use your NLE (Vegas,FCP, whatever).
Now film your storyline parts on greenscreen and use your chromakey function to put yourself in the show. Film your solo shots and put them on one of the shows backdrops here and there for your dialog scenes (pay attention to your line of sight and scale for effect).

Example:

The show 24 has Jack Bauer and a lot of seasons to pick through for clips. Maybe the plot is someone has stolen the donuts from CTU and it's your mission to get them back for a hungry President.
Use the shows characters but use non-specific dialog, add your own characters with specific dialog to carry the plot through to the end. Keep in mind the shows comm breaks and fillers like the ticking bomb and block videos on black backdrop, make it believable if you can.

Comedy usually works best with a cut-up like this however the lesson is to create character study,plot lines,flow and editing skills. It's a lot harder than you would think but it does make you think and get good at what you do. Just an idea but you did a good job on your film otherwise and good luck I see in your future.

BDI
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 1:19am

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BrnDmgInc wrote:

People don't realize the time and effort it takes to build a story, film it, edit it, and render a good copy for viewing.
BDI
Thanks for watching,

most of the people here do realize it.

and thanks for the idea, but I think I'll just stick to original ideas and start on my next film.
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 2:07am

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The sound was terrible. Couldn't hear the dialogue.
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 2:18am

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Slurvian Films wrote:

The sound was terrible. Couldn't hear the dialogue.
Yeah I know thats why I'm getting a rodevideo mic...
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 6:38am

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For a first serious project, I think you did a good job (much better than my first project!). You have already acknowledged most of the things that bothered me throughout the movie, so I feel as though I don't need to say much more. It's quite brave of you to post a project you were disappointed in here for public feedback, but it's a good idea nonetheless. I hope we can get more information on your next movie sometime soon!

Oh, and I figured I'd just reply to your topic here regarding the GS250 (incase other people searched for the term GS250 and wanted some information); here are some images of the kind of images it was giving me on autofocus mode (while filming through a somewhat dirty window, too!). Take note that I had to deinterlace it which also lost some quality.

Zoomed Out

Zoomed In (partially)

Same as above

Same as above

It's a funny video I took a couple years ago of a chipmunk struggling to stuff a bunch of humongous nuts in its mo--err, well, that sounds strange.

EDIT: I just figured out that Photobucket compressed them into JPG's from BMP's. Hence another loss of quality. Ah, whatever.

Cheers
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 1:30pm

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Thanks for replying and thanks for posting those pics.

The main thing I wanted was good film quality which I already new the 250 had and depth of field which I now know it has.

Thanks
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 2:26pm

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Reborn, off oof topic but, where did you get a Reliant K banner?
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 3:11pm

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Rockfilmers wrote:

Reborn, off oof topic but, where did you get a Reliant K banner?
www.userbars.com
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 6:39pm

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Lithium Kraft wrote:

I hope we can get more information on your next movie sometime soon!
Actually there will be a teaser trailer up in about 2 weeks.

I wont have the new camera or anything but it should be pretty cool.

All the shots in the trailer will be redone with all the new stuff I'm getting in the full movie, and most of the script is done.

Not gonna say what its about or anything... not yet.

But its gonna be very "bourn-ish" / "24-ish".
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 8:18pm

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But its gonna be very "bourn-ish" / "24-ish".
Wow you are combining two of my favorite things. Those things rely heavily on good scripting. Can't wait to see the trailer
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 8:23pm

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Frosty G wrote:

Those things rely heavily on good scripting.
The script and technicals are our main priority.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 3:56am

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RebornProductions wrote:

Slurvian Films wrote:

The sound was terrible. Couldn't hear the dialogue.
Yeah I know thats why I'm getting a rodevideo mic...
Get an Azden. I got one pretty cheap and it works wonderfully.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 4:31am

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Lithium Kraft wrote:


It's a funny video I took a couple years ago of a chipmunk struggling to stuff a bunch of humongous nuts in its mo--err, well, that sounds strange.
Oh Good lord man! eek

I have to say, it may not have been as good or as great as you wanted it to be, but what is really great about it is how much effort you put into it. You had to put up with actors that didn't care and didn't want to wear the clothes, various shortages of needed clothes on a small budget, and working with effects you just didn't have in a video editor that is sometimes unforgiving.

You have now covered most of the issues that needed addressing. You probably have learned a lot about script writing too. Although, to make scenes blend, you should try and take Vegas or even Windows Movie Maker to make an animated Storyboard or Cinematic to make sure the scenes will flow the way you want them to.

Well, I covered what I wanted to say. Hope to see some more footage from you soon!
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 5:18am

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Reborn, don't get the Rode Videomic. Not that it's not good, but I'd hold out for what we now use, the terrific Rode NTG2. Really, fantastic mic with stereo sound and perfect clarity.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 5:59am

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Can't beat that logic
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Slurvian Films wrote:

Get an Azden. I got one pretty cheap and it works wonderfully.
Heh... I actually am getting an Azden cause I saw it on b&h for super cheap and one of the review said it was pretty decent.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 2:52pm

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Atom wrote:

Reborn, don't get the Rode Videomic. Not that it's not good, but I'd hold out for what we now use, the terrific Rode NTG2.
I looked at it and it's only like $100 more than the rode vidomic, since I dont have enough now I'll buy the azden for like $60 and start saving up for that one. Cause theres really no props or anything I need for our next movie.

except elab, but that can wait till later