You are viewing an archive of the old fxhome.com forums. The community has since moved to hitfilm.com.

DVX-100 Vs GL2 ?

Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 9:02pm

Post 1 of 65

FatalFracture

Force: 0 | Joined: 4th Jul 2007 | Posts: 3

Member

Ive wanted to get a new camera for a while i make independent films , i need a camera with great quality in picture , and the feuture needed to make good films , mic ,color, ect bot these cameras have gotten much praise and i was wondering which one i should get , of course if there any other good choices please do tell , but im on somwhat of a budget which shoots around the price of these two cams,
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 9:11pm

Post 2 of 65

ops101ex

Force: 250 | Joined: 16th Nov 2002 | Posts: 209

Gold Member

Although I'm not informed enough to venture an opinion on the GL2, I staunchly recommend the DVX-100. It is a great camera. 24p recording is invaluable for making film-like movies, something that the GL2 does not have. The onboard mic isn't good, but if you're serious about sound, you'll need a separate shotgun mic anyway. The picture quality is great. You can get a really rich film-like image if you know what you're doing.
Posted: Mon, 9th Jul 2007, 10:56pm

Post 3 of 65

Mr_E_Man

Force: 730 | Joined: 15th Apr 2003 | Posts: 166

EffectsLab Lite User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

DVX hands-down. I've used both, and after extensive use of the DVX, the GL2 is a HUGE dissapointment.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 12:21am

Post 4 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

FatalFracture wrote:

Ive wanted to get a new camera for a while i make independent films , i need a camera with great quality in picture , and the feuture needed to make good films , mic ,color, ect bot these cameras have gotten much praise and i was wondering which one i should get , of course if there any other good choices please do tell , but im on somwhat of a budget which shoots around the price of these two cams,
I'm warning you straight away to go careful with the advice you're given. The same sort of thing generally tends to happen around here: a load of people who havn't ever used a GL2 will start recommending it as the best thing since squeezy marmite, then someone else will post a load of heavily processed and graded/tweaked "samples" to represent the quality of the camera.

That's not to say that there isn't a lot of helpful and honest advice from people who know what they're talking about but you just have to be careful to bypass everything except for the reliable and meaningful advice and make sure any samples posted accurately show the pure and untampered quality of the camera. Also remember that nothing beats first hand experience.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 12:57am

Post 5 of 65

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

There's really no question that the DVX-100B is the better camera here. However, it's twice the price of the GL2 on average, and it's definitely not a great camera for a beginner to use.

Also, you'd need to make sure your NLE can handle 24p video, because that's one of the big reasons the DVX is better then the GL2.




(And I'm speaking from experience here. I've used the GL2 and I own a DVX-100B and VX2100. Both are better then the GL2)
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 1:51am

Post 6 of 65

SilverDragon7

Force: 2265 | Joined: 29th Jun 2006 | Posts: 1990

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I looked at the DVX100b specs and what-not at DVXusers.com, makes me want one.

But then I looked at the HVX200 and my eyes did this eek
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 2:09am

Post 7 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

If you have the money to spend on a Panasonic DVX-100b, it's obviously the better camera, and is a good improvement above its predecessor.

But if you planned on buying a DVX-100a, I recommend either saving up more money for the 'b' version, or getting the cheaper GL2.

After extensive use with the GL2 and some moderate use with other cameras, the GL2 is the best in its range (consumer prosumer, color clarity way above the VX-2100 if you ask me, despite smaller chips) and hands down the best camera sold for its price.

If you need ANY examples of GL2 stills or video or whatnot, I'm your guy. In fact, I'm pretty much the one guy that started the huge GL2 frenzy on here, haha. biggrin
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 2:17am

Post 8 of 65

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

If you need ANY examples of GL2 stills or video or whatnot, I'm your guy. In fact, I'm pretty much the one guy that started the huge GL2 frenzy on here, haha. biggrin
I remember Slick and Evman flaunting theirs first. Whatever.

Also, listen to Rawree. If you are judging quality of the camera, find people who have tested the cameras out on charts or side-by-side. Ignore the heavily graded examples people (I'll refrain from mentioning ben3308 and Atom... Oops). That shows their lighting, exposure, and grading talent.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 2:41am

Post 9 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Serpent wrote:

ben3308 wrote:

If you need ANY examples of GL2 stills or video or whatnot, I'm your guy. In fact, I'm pretty much the one guy that started the huge GL2 frenzy on here, haha. biggrin
I remember Slick and Evman flaunting theirs first. Whatever.

I was going to say, I remember the hoo-har over them long before you guys even arrived on the scene.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 5:15am

Post 10 of 65

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Pesimism, again! Oh, well, you don't want conscious users of a cam to tell you their experience, you don't want it, eh Rawree?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 5:27am

Post 11 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Serpent wrote:

Ignore the heavily graded examples people (I'll refrain from mentioning ben3308 and Atom... Oops). That shows their lighting, exposure, and grading talent.
\

This is where I think everyone is wrong on a paramount level.

What do we use a camera for if not to create an image through lighting, exposure, and grading? I know I wouldn't dare not light, properly expose, or grade any piece of footage I wished to use in a short film, and any other self-respecting filmmaker should do the same.

What's my point?

My point is that by showing graded, lit, and properly exposed clips it not only shows precisely what the camera is capable of (which is ultimately what you want to see in a camera) but how well these elements (lighting, grading, etc) take to the footage that you've shot.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 6:08am

Post 12 of 65

ssj john

Force: 563 | Joined: 4th Nov 2003 | Posts: 795

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Thats probly the smartest thing I have heard you say ben
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 9:58am

Post 13 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

Pesimism, again! Oh, well, you don't want conscious users of a cam to tell you their experience, you don't want it, eh Rawree?
I'm not quite sure where pessimism enters into this whole thing and I think you may have misunderstood my post. I was saying that you have to be careful that you don't just assume that everyone who puts in a recommendation has experience with both cameras and to ensure that the advice you follow is reliable. Hopefully this clears up your reply but if not could you please explain it further.

Ben, whilst I agree to a point that it might be useful to show a well composed and lit sample rather than point and shoot type stuff but I think it can be very misleading if you start grading it as well. If it's graded it means that the colour and (certainly in your case) contrast levels have been tweaked for artistic reasons or to enhance the image which means it's of bugger all use to anyone who doesn't grade their footage to such an extent or anyone looking for what raw footage the camera can take. In my opinion you'd be a fool to buy a camera without knowing what your footage will come out like.

EDIT: Also, to show how well the separate elements have taken to the footage you would need to show some raw footage as a point of reference.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 10:28am

Post 14 of 65

SlothPaladin

Force: 2900 | Joined: 30th Nov 2004 | Posts: 637

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I just want to point something out, you might want a cheaper camera and spend the leftover money on lights and sound. Good lighting, exposure, white balance and grading will set you apart from the amateurs. A good camera is not a fix all, remember you also need lights gels, a quality tripod and some kind of external mic, in fact good sound is more important then good picture quality.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 10:38am

Post 15 of 65

Joshua Davies

Force: 25400 | Joined: 21st Mar 2001 | Posts: 3029

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 5 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXpreset Maker Windows User MacOS User

FXhome Team Member

Can't really compare these cameras as they are in a totally different price bracket.

The DVX100B is obviously the better camera for amateur filmmaking.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 10:44am

Post 16 of 65

Simon K Jones

Force: 27955 | Joined: 1st Jan 2002 | Posts: 11683

VisionLab User VideoWrap User PhotoKey 5 Pro User MuzzlePlug User PowerPlug User PhotoKey 3 Plug-in User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker Windows User

FXhome Team Member

Rating: +1

Atom wrote:

Pesimism, again! Oh, well, you don't want conscious users of a cam to tell you their experience, you don't want it, eh Rawree?
It's certainly easier than trying to get unconscious users to tell you anything.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 4:40pm

Post 17 of 65

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

Serpent wrote:

Ignore the heavily graded examples people (I'll refrain from mentioning ben3308 and Atom... Oops). That shows their lighting, exposure, and grading talent.
\

This is where I think everyone is wrong on a paramount level.

What do we use a camera for if not to create an image through lighting, exposure, and grading? I know I wouldn't dare not light, properly expose, or grade any piece of footage I wished to use in a short film, and any other self-respecting filmmaker should do the same.

What's my point?

My point is that by showing graded, lit, and properly exposed clips it not only shows precisely what the camera is capable of (which is ultimately what you want to see in a camera) but how well these elements (lighting, grading, etc) take to the footage that you've shot.
I'd rather see if my camera is adequate at sharpness, contrast, and picking up color on a proper chart. You showing us those examples honestly tells me nothing about the quality of the camera compared to other cameras. I can tell that it's good, but I wouldn't use it to compare any two cameras unless you did a side-by-side.

Here is a proper example of what I would look for in a camera. I'd leave the rest up to myself as far as lighting, exposing, and grading. For camera quality, I would much rather trust someone who tests it scientifically so I can guarantee good image quality.

http://www.dvinfo.net/canongl2/images/images1.php
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 5:17pm

Post 18 of 65

Nutbar

Force: 530 | Joined: 13th Aug 2006 | Posts: 373

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

the GL2 is the best in its range (consumer prosumer, color clarity way above the VX-2100 if you ask me, despite smaller chips)
That sort of thing is really a matter of opinion. I have seen both cameras shooting the same subject at the same time (from about a foot apart from each other) and the picture on the vx2100 was very noticably better.

On the subject at hand, I would guess you're going from a consumer camcorder, if so then the gl2 willl be a massive upgrade. It will also be alot cheaper leaving you some cash to spend on filters/tripod/lights/mic or whatever else you may want to get to go with it.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 5:24pm

Post 19 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

What do we use a camera for if not to create an image through lighting, exposure, and grading?
Maybe you're not aware of this, but "grading" is a post process that's used to ENHANCE the look, or correct the colors. Looking at clips from video that has been graded after it's shot is not an accurate representation of the image quality of the camera, since it's been altered. Like, duh! smile

If I were to watch one of your films, for example, I'd think, "Hey, these shots look nicely framed and shot! And the image quality is great!" And I might think "And look at that grading! Nicely done." But I'm not going to think "Wow, look at that grading. They must have a nice camera", because grading has nothing to do with the camera. Unless you used lens filters to achieve the look, which you didn't. And even in that case, it's still not the camera that's pulling off the grading, it's the filters. smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 6:23pm

Post 20 of 65

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Oh, my. God forbid you try and help someone and get an onslaught of opinion.

Say whatever you will. I won't argue it because I know I personally don't need an HVX or DVX to get the image I want at the level of professionalism I want. A conscious buyer interested in a prosumer cam ought to have at least some experience and/or talent with cinematography (I mean, there's no need to go to prosumer really unless you do, IMO), and someone with that talent or experience should know that they can use that to get a sufficient and similar image to that of higher-priced cams for less on the GL2.

Someone interested in a cam that's asking for advice from those that have used it doesn't want color charts, you can go find those on your own. Likely, as I would want, he wants some background on the use of the cam and personal examples.

At least, that's what I would think. You want to know how they work? Go to the Canon or Panasonic website. They'll just show you the baseline things, not on a practical-level of use of the cam.

So, yes, I am a GL2 follower. I'm still open to other cams. I played around for a few hours on the HVX and XHA1 (which an Atomic member has, now) and loved both to death. I plan on getting one sometime in the future, but for now it's GL2 for me, and I hope for a lot of other people.

Whatever.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 6:45pm

Post 21 of 65

Serpent

Force: 5426 | Joined: 26th Dec 2003 | Posts: 6515

CompositeLab Pro User EffectsLab Pro User FXhome Movie Maker FXpreset Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I think you took what we were saying the wrong way. I, at least, was specifically commenting on the screen grabs that you usually post, not the opinion you provided in this thread. I thought that should have been obvious. A person is going to want to hear hands on experience. Panasonic won't tell you that after a year, the manual focus ring starts to suck and break (this doesn't actually happen I don't think, just trying to provide an example). But when judging image quality, charts are helpful. No one's really disagreeing with you, I'm also trying to help by posting an alternative comparative source. Calm down.


EDIT: I actually can't find a single post in this thread, Atom, where you were commenting on anything really, other than this:

Pesimism, again! Oh, well, you don't want conscious users of a cam to tell you their experience, you don't want it, eh Rawree?

Last edited Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 6:48pm; edited 1 times in total.

Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 6:47pm

Post 22 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Aculag wrote:

If I were to watch one of your films, for example, I'd think, "Hey, these shots look nicely framed and shot! And the image quality is great!" And I might think "And look at that grading! Nicely done."
Precisely. The GL2 has good image quality, and grading can make that even more superb. FatalFracture didn't ask which camera was better, he wanted to know which one we thought he should get to achieve a good look in his films, and, mind you, 'on a budget'.

FatalFracture wrote:

Ive wanted to get a new camera for a while i make independent films , i need a camera with great quality in picture , and the feuture needed to make good films
So, accordingly, I think the GL2 is a good choice because, with grading and proper lighting and exposure ("proper" meaning what should be done when shooting anything) the image looks near the DVX-100a/b's quality for, literally, a fraction of the price.

The bottom line: if FatalFracture chose the GL2 to make good films, he wouldn't be dissappointed. The DVX is undoubtedly a better camera, but that doesn't change the fact that the GL2 is capable of creating good 'final product' images.

Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I think some of the stuff that I've shot, lit, and graded makes it pretty damn obvious that the GL2 can create very film-like images, and that's all I think FatalFracture needs.

But to each his own, I guess. The GL2 is a much better deal for the money. Moreover, with that money he could purchase tripods, lights, and a good shotgun microphone: tools that are quintessential to producing a good film.

But, to make things more visual, here's an onslaught post I've quoted myself on many-a-time.....

I'm gonna throw another newer still of mine in here, just for the hell of it. It's graded, obviously, but still pretty cool.

Remember, though, that to make your movie the best it can be, appropriate, cool-looking grading is usually a must.

The last two that aren't in proportion of a frame were captured as images but are from tape recorded on the GL2 nonetheless. Links to video are in blue.


standard graded,

Rebirth Promo, corporate promotional video


ungraded, Thomas the Drum Major, documentary


ungraded, Pandarosa concert, event footage


lightly graded (desaturation, luminance), Cover's Story, short film


standard graded, Cover's Story, short film


standard graded, Cover's Story and Splinter Cell, short film


graded, Splinter Cell, short film


standard graded, Redemption, short film


graded, test footage, short film


lightly graded (hue shift), SWEET myspace pic, personal use


I cannot stress enough that the key to all of this is lighting. The halo around Jake's hairline in Cover's Story, the harsh shadow on the kidnapper's face or the texture to the homemade newspaper in Splinter Cell (which happens to be a story about the kidnapping of our very own Conor O'Sullivan biggrin), the bloom of light around Tim's shoulder on Rebirth, the vibrance to Thomas's otherwise dark complexion- it's all achieved through lighting.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jul 2007, 11:49pm

Post 23 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Serpent wrote:



I remember Slick and Evman flaunting theirs first. Whatever.

Yes I believe I came before you, so... razz


GL2 - Ungraded completely so you know what you're dealing with. I know lighting is a little weird but there is no digital restoration on this picture at all.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 12:11am

Post 24 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Rating: +2

Dude, Evman, I totally fixed up that cruddy looking GL2 grab for you, and now it looks like a million bux.



Hehehe! Ben and Atom! Where's the Poop movie? I desperately need it.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 12:21am

Post 25 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

No this is way better!



Yeah when is that poop movie coming out?
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 12:25am

Post 26 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Oh it's ON!

Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 12:33am

Post 27 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

I've bested you again!



Nighttime grading!
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 12:39am

Post 28 of 65

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

I laughed incredibly hard at those pics. Well played guys.


On the subject of the GL2 being similar to the Dvx100B in image quality.... Definitely not. The DVX is a blatantly better camera.

Besides, I thought this thread was about Which IS better. Not which is "Good enough" for him.

Sure, you could say "Oh yeah, the panasonic GS180 is good enough for me right now". But then again, you aren't him. So really, while some people might think the GL2 is "Perfectly capable", that doesn't actually mean it's a better choice OR better camera.

Really, I bought my Vx2100 after having tried out a GL2 and an Xl1 and not liking either one nearly as much. So that argument is moot as well.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 5:50am

Post 29 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

The thread's not about "which is better", it's about which one he should get for his productions.

Bryce, the HVX is clearly a better camera than the DVX, and you owned one, but it ended up being a better choice to get the DVX and a tripod and mic instead, correct?

I think if a GL2 is purchased the budget will be able to balance on a few of these other necessary elements.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 6:05am

Post 30 of 65

ssj john

Force: 563 | Joined: 4th Nov 2003 | Posts: 795

Windows User MacOS User

Member

Man I wish I could use a GL2...See for me it doesnt come down to that picture I can get, sure that does matter but there are a bunch of different camera's that I would be satisfied with. GL2 has caught my eye.....but there are things that worry me

I have used the XL1 exstensively so I'm pretty familiar with it. I like that camera and maybe thats because I have had to use it more than any other camera. But there are things I wish it had that other camera's have. (like the nob on the zoom ring like the DVX has or at least the one I used had...) But I like how the XL1 comfortably fit on my shoulder as well as being able to carry it around...

Now as for the GL2....Is it anything like the GL1? Please tell me its bigger.....and has more manual focus options! I have used my school GL1 and I hate that thing! Its a pain to carry around its like a large consumer handycam...At least thats the vibe I get when I used it. Now I like the DVX size and I have used that sony camera that you were talking about earlier....It was a bit big for my taste. Does the GL2 compare in size to the DVX? And does it operate similarly?

For now I'm planning on a good ol XL-1 its good and its cheap....er but things could change very quickly if you guys say the right things smile
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 9:43am

Post 31 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Evman wrote:

I've bested you again!



Nighttime grading!
Blue grading? That's maddness! You, sir have crossed the line!
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 4:59pm

Post 32 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

It's a stylistic decision that I think really adds to the story.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 5:38pm

Post 33 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

It's to show the darkness of the character's reptilian soul.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 7:21pm

Post 34 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

I've only made two movies with deep green grading, and even then I desaturate it to 70%, and it had a purpose, so I'm not going to argue this. If it was so extreme and uncalled for, I don't think I'd get the 50+ messages I've got asking how I achieved it.

On my Top Ten I have movies by both you guys above my harsh-green Splinter Cell trailer; and they're not graded heavily because they're comedy, and it's not called for. In more dramatic and actiony stuff, I think harsher grading can be used very well. Notice how in "The Baby" and "The PB&J" there's no grading at all, because it's comedic-ish.

Making a joke is one thing. Carrying it on for two pages is another.

To each his own, I guess.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 7:32pm

Post 35 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

It's barely a half page.

Ben - calm down - seriously. You can't get all defensive every time someone says something about you. That's a problem both you and your brother have. As I said in the other thread, I think your style is definitely more "professional" than mine is at this point. We're simply having some fun and theres really no need to get up in arms in defense about this.

If you can't handle something like this, get out of the film business. Now. While you still can.

Incidentally, I tried to make the regrade I did after Aculag's first image there bad, but it turned out... well... surprisingly good for being intentionally bad.

Oh and I don't really see how the "I have movies by you guys above my own in my top ten" really matters, since it doesn't really make sense to put your own movies in your personal top ten anyway...
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 7:51pm

Post 36 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Rating: +1

Evman wrote:

Ben - calm down - seriously. You can't get all defensive every time someone says something about you.
See this is exactly the problem. What else am I supposed to do? You posted the images, I didn't respond to them while responding to something else, then you kept on; so I responded with defense. There's really no other option, short of ignoring it, and you'll continue anyways if I do.

'Having fun' at my expense is fine by me, so long as it passes, and in this case, it didn't. You never see me criticizing things you or Aculag do in your films, now do you?

Perhaps you're reading my tone wrong. I'll not "all defensive" I'm just clarifying the things you so incessantly criticized. It's called substantiation. But for now, let's call this "argument" null and void.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 7:54pm

Post 37 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

We did stop! Aculag pretty much capped it off with his post and I didn't really see it going any farther.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 7:56pm

Post 38 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Posts 32 and 33 on the page are what I'm speaking of. It's not that I'm offended by it, it's just annoying when you keep on just to get a response. That is your purpose in writing that, I presume, to garner a response?

Either way, I don't care, and I'd rather not argue.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 7:59pm

Post 39 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:


See this is exactly the problem. What else am I supposed to do?

ben3308 wrote:

There's really no other option, short of ignoring it
Looks like you answered your own question there.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:01pm

Post 40 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Giving someone the ultimatum of ignoring or defending is really pretty childish, I'd say, especially when everyone fuels it.

Consider it ignored, then.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:03pm

Post 41 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

Giving someone the ultimatum of ignoring or defending is really pretty childish, I'd say,
Not when the matter is ridiculously trivial. Would you rather we steal your lunch money next time?
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:08pm

Post 42 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Drop it.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:09pm

Post 43 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

Giving someone the ultimatum of ignoring or defending is really pretty childish, I'd say, especially when everyone fuels it.

Consider it ignored, then.
I wasn't giving anyone an ultimatum (I'd call it more of a choice than an ultimatum if I was) I was just telling you to ignore it. As for being childish: "farts and sweets". How does that grab you?
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:18pm

Post 44 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I was not referring to you, Rawree.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:23pm

Post 45 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

I was not referring to you, Rawree.
Oh, in that case carry on.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 9:30pm

Post 46 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

Dude, Ben... Me and Evman's little "post EXTREME grading pictures" thing didn't have anything to do with you. But of COURSE, you make it into an attack. What's your deal, man? Seriously, dawg, I was just poking fun.

ben3308 wrote:

You never see me criticizing things you or Aculag do in your films, now do you?
The only times you criticise things in MY movies are when you are critiquing it, which you don't do most of the time anyway, and when you do, you probably look into it too much. smile

Anyway, you don't need to take everything as a personal attack. In fact, me and Evman had a conversation last night in which I said that your stuff really does look great. You guys clearly have a sense of what you're doing, but you take things far too seriously. People can make jokes without it being a negative thing.

Also, I don't understand why you would comment about the grading pictures, and not comment about the poop movie, which was asked about multiple times! You seem to look at the bad things before you see the good things. You really don't need to be so defensive. No one is attacking you, or your style. We're just having a spot of fun!

So... When IS the poop movie coming?
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 10:00pm

Post 47 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I wanted to do it, but my bro and friend went ahead and shot it themselves without me, so I dunno what's happened to it.

I'll tell you this, though: I watched the captures, and for every good take there's 7 minutes of bad takes. So editing may be tedious.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 10:25pm

Post 48 of 65

CX3

Force: 3137 | Joined: 1st Apr 2003 | Posts: 2527

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User MacOS User FXhome Movie Maker

Gold Member

Im sorry but those grading pics had me laugin pretty hard haha.

And Ben.. no offense.. but take your damn movie off your top 10 man hah, thats ridic.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 10:35pm

Post 49 of 65

ben3308

Force: 5210 | Joined: 24th May 2004 | Posts: 6433

VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

I'm proud of the movies I put on my top ten, and, if anything, it's only a representation of what I like. So sue me.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 10:44pm

Post 50 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

I'm proud of the movies I put on my top ten, and, if anything, it's only a representation of what I like. So sue me.
Even the biggest ego-maniacs in showbusiness trot out the "I'm my own harshest critic, I hate my own work" line, that's just how things are done snooty

Personally I don't care if you put your own work in there because you havn't called me pompous.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 10:46pm

Post 51 of 65

Evman

Force: 4382 | Joined: 25th Jan 2004 | Posts: 3609

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

ben3308 wrote:

I'm proud of the movies I put on my top ten, and, if anything, it's only a representation of what I like. So sue me.
Hehe you like yourself. wink

And once again, Aculag couldn't have said it better. Bravo
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 11:55pm

Post 52 of 65

Bryce007

Force: 1910 | Joined: 5th Apr 2003 | Posts: 2609

VideoWrap User Windows User

Gold Member

Parody is the second sincerest form of flattery...





(According to me)
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 11:58pm

Post 53 of 65

SilverDragon7

Force: 2265 | Joined: 29th Jun 2006 | Posts: 1990

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Bryce007 wrote:

(According to me)
You think your pretty big, doncha?

Anyway I can't believe this whole camera thing didn;t turn into a huge flame war.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 12:09am

Post 54 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

SilverDragon7 wrote:

Anyway I can't believe this whole camera thing didn;t turn into a huge flame war.
People tend to not argue about cameras as much as they do operating systems.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 12:13am

Post 55 of 65

SilverDragon7

Force: 2265 | Joined: 29th Jun 2006 | Posts: 1990

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

That is very true.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 12:14am

Post 56 of 65

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Of course.

You call it "taking everything as a personal attack", I call it the gang-bang from the usual suspects. Oh, well. I'd rather defend something and then leave it than not defend it at all. I'm not taking something personally, just saying, like b4's attitude in his threads, this is typical.

Like I've been trying to get through, though, lately:
Endo-story, let's leave it at that.

And, Aculag, poop movie's on the way, I promise. wink
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 12:20am

Post 57 of 65

SilverDragon7

Force: 2265 | Joined: 29th Jun 2006 | Posts: 1990

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

I call it the gang-bang from the usual suspects.
And those usaul suspects have gotten me hooked.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 4:01am

Post 58 of 65

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Hooked onto Newbie-Weekly magazine? smile


JK, guys! Just so you know I'm kidding, if the smilie didn't work jkjk JK, J/K, guyss!
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 4:19am

Post 59 of 65

King of Blades

Force: 1700 | Joined: 29th May 2006 | Posts: 794

EffectsLab Pro User Windows User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

JK, guys! Just so you know I'm kidding, if the smilie didn't work jkjk JK, J/K, guyss!
Too bad most people can't recognize a simple smilie as an indication of a joke.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 5:03am

Post 60 of 65

SilverDragon7

Force: 2265 | Joined: 29th Jun 2006 | Posts: 1990

VisionLab User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Atom wrote:

Hooked onto Newbie-Weekly magazine? smile
When I refered to the usaul suspects, I meant you (The Adams Brothers).

Way to call yourself Newbie wink.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 3:43pm

Post 61 of 65

devilskater

Force: 581 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 890

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User

Gold Member

Rawree wrote:

a load of people who havn't ever used a GL2 will start recommending it as the best thing since squeezy marmite
the squeezy marmite is the most rediculous thing i have ever used...it is soooo crap, and it isn't proper marmite anymore...the old fashioned scoop out the bottle marmite is still alot better razz
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 4:41pm

Post 62 of 65

Rawree

Force: 3250 | Joined: 27th Jun 2002 | Posts: 1925

EffectsLab Lite User Windows User MacOS User

Gold Member

Clearly you've never tried writing "boobs" on toast with regular jar marmite. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 11:32pm

Post 63 of 65

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

Lol......wait, was that a joke? See, I can't tell, because these days smilies don't even work.

wink (winks work, though)
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 11:59pm

Post 64 of 65

Aculag

Force: 8365 | Joined: 21st Jun 2002 | Posts: 8581

EffectsLab Lite User VideoWrap User FXhome Movie Maker MacOS User

Gold Member

smilesadwink

Now no one has any idea what I mean!
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 1:27am

Post 65 of 65

Atom

Force: 4300 | Joined: 9th May 2004 | Posts: 7014

EffectsLab Lite User FXhome Movie Maker Windows User

Gold Member

You're making a joke (smile) that somehow disheartens you (sad), but does it really? Of course not! You've got a trick (wink) up that old witty sleeve!

Eh?