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One Cam - Gonna be a problem?

Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:28pm

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Hey guys,

Now, here is my problem. I know there are a lot of camera threads going around, but even though this is part of the problem, it is not the entire problem that I am having. I have about a $1000 budget for a camera, maybe up to 1200 is desperate, and I need a good camera to buy. But the issue is, if I buy one camera, am I going to have major problems filming different angles? Do you guys think I can pull off good action movies or near action movies with only one camera?
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:32pm

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You could film every scene more than once using several different angles.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:33pm

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Yes. It's standard practice to use one camera in quite a lot of scenes and all you have to do is shoot it from angle, cut, move to the new angle and run the whole scene again from there. The only problems you might have when editing them together is the audio but that can be sorted either by using the complete audio track from one take or through ADR.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:36pm

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I've found that although having multiple cameras on set is fun and can be useful later, it's really not essential. However, if your action movie has explosions or amazing stunts that can't be repeated and are worth multiple angles, then yeah. But for that it's best to just borrow one.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 8:41pm

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Around 90+% of everything you ever see (cinema, TV, adverts, pop promos, corporates, etc) is shot single-camera.

You shoot the same scene several times - start with the mid 2-shot (master shot), then over the shoulders, then reactions, then cutaways (shoot about 6 mins for each min of on-screen action - a shooting ratio of 6:1 is pretty normal if you're confident, new directors often shoot 10:1) - This is called 'coverage' if you want to look it up anywhere.

Multiple cameras cause problems as you will end up with them getting in the way of your well-composed shots

So, get a nice camera, and have fun with it smile
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 9:38pm

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pdrg wrote:

So, get a nice camera, and have fun with it smile
/signed. Get one good camera and shoot multiple angles seperately - then ADR if necessary.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jul 2007, 11:49pm

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Never a problem with me to use only one camera.

Also check eBay for the Canon GL2.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 12:33am

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

Also check eBay for the Canon GL2.
Pardon me if I'm being rude but do you have much experience with this camera?
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 1:47am

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No but The Adams Brothers do lol

And Nobody else suggested a camera anyway.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 8:32am

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SilverDragon - Recommending a camera you've not had much experience with seems a little silly. Quick reminder again: you don't have to post a response in every topic, you can just limit yourself to the ones in which you know what you're talking about.


As for StrABullet's original query, looks like it's already been taken care of. I'll just agree with them and say that one camera is all you need. That's what the magic of editing is all about. wink
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 6:03pm

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Pdrg has probably gave the best advice so far- it may be worthwhile to research books and the internet for how to do it. Here's a quick link below (Albeit not reliable- it is wiki after all!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-camera_setup

As previously said most films and television programmes use only one camera at each location- i reckon the only time you'll ever need multiple cameras are for expensive shots that can't be reproduced, if you was doing a live performance (E.g a play and wanted different angles) or you're ab-libbing it all (Making a certain bit of dialogue up on the spot)

I suggest searching through a few older threads to look for peoples opinions on expensive camera's . Good luck with it! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 12th Jul 2007, 11:29pm

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Tarn wrote:

Quick reminder again: you don't have to post a response in every topic, you can just limit yourself to the ones in which you know what you're talking about.
Haha, I remember you saying the same thing to me a few years ago. As for the cam, for $1,200 you are able to purchase a good, used GL2. For the price and for your needs, I think in all seriousness the GL2 is the best option.

And don't worry about having one camera. We shot almost all of our Splinter Cell movie with a single GL2 and produced great actiony-ish stuff without a hitch. Of course, we've also got patience and good, flexible actors that allow us to shoot more fluidly and keep things similar each take. That's one thing you always have to remember when working with a single camera. But most often, people only use 1 anway.

I don't care how much I have to say it or people want to doubt/call it overkill, but as long as there's a new person with a new question I'll say it: I highly doubt there's a more pro-looking, as far as image, cam out there for a similar price. The GL2 rocks, plain and simple. It's versatility and quality together are outstanding and give it the true 'bang-for-the-buck award' in my book any day. The GL2 has done wonders for me and my crew, so much so that collectively we have 4 of them now, 1 XL2, and 1 XHA1.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 12:42am

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Well guys, thanks a lot...that cleared up my problem. As for the GL2...although I have about 1000-1200$ to spend, I'd much like to spend a little less...although the GL2 does seem to be a great camera...it is a little expensive...so I'll probably be going a little lower in price...Maybe about 800 or 900. I guess I'll have to search for the next best thing...
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 1:25am

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True, and I'm sorry for that, but it is a little expensive for your price bracket. The thing I fear, though, is that you'll get relatively the same/similar quality camera in the $300-$500 price bracket as the $600-$900 price bracket, making it all the more worth spending a few extra hundreds (and I know that's a lot of money, just saying) and get the higher-level up camera range, the prosumers.

If not, IMO, you're as good getting a top-notch, $500 Sony Handycam as you are getting a $900 handycam. (And don't get me started on why not to get the GS. smile)
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 1:38am

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Atom wrote:

You'll get relatively the same/similar quality camera in the $300-$500 price bracket as the $600-$900 price bracket, making it all the more worth spending a few extra hundreds and get the higher-level up camera range, the prosumers.
If the quality at $900 is the same as at $300 then surely the best advice is to get the $300 and then spend the $600 you save from your budget on marmalade or dry wipe markers or whatever the trend these days is. At the end of the day I think it's far more important to stick to a budget if you set one otherwise there'll be no end to the spending ("well another 300 quid would get me an even better camera/marmalade...").
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 3:21am

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You're planning on spending over a grand on a camera and you sound like you've never filmed anything in your life.

Are you sure you really need a high-dollar camera at this point?
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 4:53am

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Where did he say he hadn't filmmed anything before?
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 5:33am

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

Where did he say he hadn't filmmed anything before?
He didn't exactly say that he never filmed anything before, but here's what shows that he kind of never really filmed anything major before:

StrABullet wrote:

Do you guys think I can pull off good action movies or near action movies with only one camera?
And I agree with Slurvian Films; it really isn't necessary to have a high-end camera if you are just making a home-made film that is likely not to hit the market, most likely hit the Fxhome Cinema instead.

I have a total POS Everio-G HDD (Hard Disk Drive), and despite the fact that I got it for about $300, it's still moderate quality.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 3:40pm

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Rawree, if you're going to follow up each of my posts with my I'm wrong or why not to get this or that, could you perhaps offer new alternatives when you do?

I don't see anything wrong with sharing my experience with equipment as reason to buy it. You may not have any experience yourself to recommend something different, but that doesn't warrant completely stamping-out someone else's help, mate.

Just something I've noticed over the past few weeks.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 4:33pm

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Atom wrote:

Rawree, if you're going to follow up each of my posts with my I'm wrong or why not to get this or that, could you perhaps offer new alternatives when you do?

I don't see anything wrong with sharing my experience with equipment as reason to buy it. You may not have any experience yourself to recommend something different, but that doesn't warrant completely stamping-out someone else's help, mate.

Just something I've noticed over the past few weeks.
I did offer an alternative; spend 1/3 of the money to get a product of equal quality. I also recommended sticking with a budget once you've set it (in this case $900 which will most likely not net you a GL2). I don't see what your problem is, I have no issue with you sharing experience and opinions but you seem to have an issue with me expressing mine when they don't tally with your own just in case you end up being "stamped out" in the process. Please just accept that people have different views and advice and that there isn't always a need to try and regulate people or take it to a personal level.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 7:36pm

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I have a problem with your opinion solely expressing negativity towards someone else's ideas/opinions. While I may just be looking at this the wrong way, which I might and if so I'm sorry, it seems that every thread I put something up in you immediately are the next post in, downing that idea while, IMO, saying "get a cheaper cam", which again, IMO, isn't really helping in either place.

Maybe I'm just too emo. wink
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 10:37pm

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Atom wrote:

I have a problem with your opinion solely expressing negativity towards someone else's ideas/opinions. While I may just be looking at this the wrong way, which I might and if so I'm sorry, it seems that every thread I put something up in you immediately are the next post in, downing that idea while, IMO, saying "get a cheaper cam", which again, IMO, isn't really helping in either place.

Maybe I'm just too emo. wink
The guy has $900 to spend, not $1200, not $12,000. That puts a GL2 out of his pricerange. You go on to say that the sort of thing you get for $900 is the same as makes no difference as the sort of thing you'll get for $300. Therefore I think that it would be more reasonable to spend the $300 and then have $600 for a decent mic, maybe some software, a tripod etc rather than getting the $900 cam or worse one for $1200. Seriously, none of this is a personal vendetta or anything like that, it's purely providing alternative advice and, if I'm honest, you seem pissed about that because it may mean that someone doesn't follow your advice.

Like I say, his budget is his budget and if we're not going to recommend options which are within that budget then we may as well recommend all sorts of crap.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 11:34pm

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Rawree wrote:

The guy has $900 to spend, not $1200, not $12,000. That puts a GL2 out of his pricerange.
Camera = Ebay

Tripod = Ebay

Mic = Ebay

Total = 600 + shipping, near 300$ to spend on whatever else.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 11:41pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

Rawree wrote:

The guy has $900 to spend, not $1200, not $12,000. That puts a GL2 out of his pricerange.
Camera = Ebay

Tripod = Ebay

Mic = Ebay

Total = 600 + shipping, near 300$ to spend on whatever else.
The description of that camera mentions that the zoom is broken and that it'll cost around $200 to fix. Also consider that the auction isn't finished yet. So I make that about $820 if the camera price doesn't go any higher.

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300$ to spend on whatever else.
Plus he could probably find simple instructions online on how to fix it.
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 11:52pm

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SilverDragon7 wrote:

SilverDragon7 wrote:

300$ to spend on whatever else.
Plus he could probably find simple instructions online on how to fix it.
You may be right but I know that I wouldn't be comfortable spending £200/£300 on a broken camera and then poking around inside replacing motors using instructions from the internet. I wouldn't be too happy buying something broken in the first place to be honest because it would suggest to me that it's gone through quite a lot and there may be other serious problems in the near future (the seller also notes other repairs that had to be carried out) and I'm not going to have a warranty to bail me out.

I guess it all comes down to how comfortable you are buying in that way but I agree in principle that it may be possible to buy the camera on a $1000 budget. How long it lasts is another thing wink
Posted: Fri, 13th Jul 2007, 11:53pm

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Absolute rubbish!

Unless you're pretty adept at electronics, replacing the zoom motor in an XM2 is never going to be a 'simple' task.

I don't recommend that anyone tries to fix such a delicate part themselves unless they've had training in video equipment repair. If you don't, you stand a very good chance that you'll break the camera irreparably.

There's a reason that camera-repair shops charge so much: it's a skilled craft.

Arktic.

EDIT - This is a response to the post above Rawree's. Rawree, as usual, talks a lot of sense.
Posted: Sat, 14th Jul 2007, 12:00am

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Not to mention that's an incredibly bad tripod...
Posted: Fri, 20th Jul 2007, 7:27pm

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Sorry about the really late response, guys. I haven't been online for a while, and when I have, I had barely any time to respond. Now it's all fixed though. As for all of your suggestions, I thank you. You guys cleared up my angle situation. Now, my only problem is the camers. Atom, I believe had posted a nice looking camera that I was considering buying...

(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/448812-REG/Canon_1194B001_HV10_2_76MP_CMOS_HDV.html)

...but it has no mic input and what not...and a little cheaper would be nice, but this price is still adequate. It seems mos of the middle priced cameras I find either have no mic input, perform badly in low light, or something else...I know not all camera are perfect, but does anyone have any suggestions for a camera around no more than like 700? (I need the other money for lighting and such too...)

On a different note, it was kind of funny to see the proffesional arguing here...lol, guys, it's okay, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion..