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Best editor?

Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 1:04am

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Hey, I am curious what everyone's favorite editor is. I have used Vegas and it was pretty good. Any other ones out there? I want it/need it to be worth the money.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 1:22am

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Vegas is probably best for windows, then Adobe premiere.

For mac Final Cut express/pro.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 2:41am

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I agree with reborn about Final Cut, but I think Avid is the best for windows. never used it myself, but I hear it's what the proffesionals use.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 3:45am

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I agree with Reborn about Vegas being the best for Windows. Well, I'm not sure if it's the best, since I haven't tried taht many, but I love it.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 5:22am

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just have this exact conversation like 2 months ago?

Either way, it's always going to be the same: Premier/Avid/Vegas on Windows, FCS/P/E on Mac.

EDIT: Here is the exact some thread from one month ago. Try looking through there for some answers.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 6:06am

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BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH LINUX?
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 6:26am

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i started with premier and love it.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 6:54am

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Vegas, all the freakin' way.

The workflow is insanely smoother than Premiere's, not even close. And of course FCP for Mac.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 9:34am

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There have been many topics on this before. Here's what I said most recently -

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I've been using AVID Express Pro in a professional capacity for a while now, both inside and outside of the BBC - it's the fabled 'industry standard', so it makes sense to learn it.

However, that said, I hate it - to me, it's a clunky and counter-intuative system that relies too heavily upon 3-point editing. The colour correction is superb, as is the multi-camera workflow (I was lucky enough recently to see the edit of a high-profile BBC 1 sketch show in progress, and I've never seen anyone cut multi-camera scenes as fast!). However, I feel that though it does have it's plus points, to me, the whole system of having to switch between modes, and various other quirks that the program has... it just doesn't feel user-friendly.

At home, I much prefer to edit on a Premiere-based NLE; maybe it's because I learned to edit on Premiere, maybe it just feels less like work. But either way, I prefer Premiere.

Essentially, I'd reccomend that you try different edit systems for yourself, before you decide to invest in a purchase.

Most NLEs are available as demo versions, so you can try them usually for up to a month before you decide what works for you. Remember, the skill of an editor is not being able to use particular software, but being able to use the software they have available to them to best tell the story. A good editor is a good editor, wether they've learned FCP or AVID.

So really, there's no "best" software - you should be able to make the most of the tools that you feel comfortable working with. Each has their plus points and minus points, but I really believe that the best option is for you to try them all out yourself and to decide that way.

Just imho smile
As I say, try out the demos before deciding which is 'best' for you - reccomendations can only get you so far, because editing is (for me at least) a personal and subjective experience/activity which varies between person to person hugely.

Cheers,
Arktic.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 9:42am

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have i said this already on fxhome? or just in other forums..

for me, Vegas is timeline behaviour and workflow done to perfection
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 10:32am

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For me, there's no way back from Avid, once you truly merge with it, you feel the throbbing power etc... But it's not a beginners/consumer NLE, in much the same way Photoshop isn't MSPaint - the interface requires a lot of learning investment from the editor, but it's worth it if this is your life.

Now, the exact title of this topic is slightly inaccurate but raises a valid point - best editor - the editor is the person doing the editing, in this case with software, but it could be Steenbeck film slicing, or audio tape, etc. A good editor using rubbish equipment/software will always beat a rubbish editor on any kit - it's an art and a skill, which you can practice on any NLE, even (dare I say it...) WMM wink
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 10:48am

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Same here - I'm an Avid ... Avid fan. We have been using it professionally for a few years and would no way go back to the others.

It is one of those editors that makes it just as quick and easy to edit a 2 hour movie as it is doing a 30 second promo.

But, it does indeed take a bit of time getting used to it.
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 12:17pm

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I agree.
I would choose Vegas over Premiere any day.
But I'm an Avid man.
And Avid is the industry standard. Whether its the 'best'? Well best is a subjective term. The 'best' for you is different to the 'best' for someone else.
But, Avid is the industry standard which means if you're serious about becoming an editor, I would learn it. Plus they have a free version available.
Even compared to Final Cut, I would go Avid for MAC. A friend of mine had Final Cut and swore by it, but then he started looking for jobs and found that all the television networks and most, if not all, of the post houses (here anyway) were running Avid.
But considering the increasing amount of films being edited in Final Cut, I would probably learn both - doesn't hurt.

I think I almost contradicted myself... razz
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 1:06pm

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If I have to read that "Avid is the industry standard" one more time I'm going to scream!!!

Being the "industry standard" is not a representation of how well the thing works- only that Avid was the first thing on the block and was the only real choice for professional editing for such a long time that you really had no choice but to learn Avid- but things have changed- a bunch - and simply claiming it as the "industry standard" is not a "feature" but more of a compliance thing for professional editors that want to stay employed working in a variety of settings.

I use an Avid at work and I use a Vegas system at home- recently I installed Vegas o my Avid machine at work because quite frankly there are a ton of things I can do with Vegas that our outdated Avid software simply CAN NOT do- Now, newer updated Avid software may be able to do them, but I doubt it. Most of those things are things that a "real editor" would never encounter...but then here we were encountering them for clients...

Having said that, an updated, pro Avid system is a wonderful machine to work on- but getting you there can be incredibly expensive, and then...well, there you are in Avid land. I really like the workflow and media management of Avid- but that's it. The features and capabilities of just about everything else are just far better implemented in other packages IMO.

The point is that they are all just tools and each one does some things better than other things- I love Vegas, but it also drives me crazy on a couple of things- and I've set Vegas up to work closer to the way the Avid does - getting me closer to the Avid workflow that I like- that's another thing to like about Vegas is it's flexibility- and it doesn't eat up your entire machine like the Avid does.

anyway...back to work
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Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 1:32pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:


"industry standard" is not a "feature" but more of a compliance thing for professional editors that want to stay employed working in a variety of settings.
Too true, but it has the same advantages that a working knowledge of MS Word has if you've only ever used WordPerfect or Wordstar - Wordstar had a much better ascii editing mode than Word to my mind, but I'll bet there aren't many jobs with WordStar skills required any more as the de facto standard is MS Office...Avid's in a similar monopolists position and are probably a bit complacent about it, but considering everything you learn on a £300 Avid you can use immediately on a £120,000 one, the scaling has its plus-sides wink
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 2:59pm

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pdrg wrote:


Avid's in a similar monopolists position and are probably a bit complacent about it, but considering everything you learn on a £300 Avid you can use immediately on a £120,000 one, the scaling has its plus-sides wink
True, very true- but basic editing skills are the same on any NLE- the skills I've learned in Premiere and Vegas have transferred over to using the Avid- I just get frustrated when I can't use features that are pretty commonplace in Premiere and Vegas in the Avid- I like having audio tracks that have volume sliders on them- I like having the ability to work on things at the clip OR track level easily, I like being able to draw volume envelopes etc... to my audio right there in the NLE to maintain a consistent mix, I like dragging clips down the timeline "out of the way" to play with a section and then snapping them back into place-( I think you can do that on newer Avid's, but not in the software we have) I like being able to drop whatever media the client gives me onto the timeline, whether it's an mpeg or a quicktime or an avi or an mp3- Vegas handles all of that easily- the Avid we have cannot do that at all! I cannot use DVCPro50 footage with the Avid we have- Hell, there isn't even a "gaussian blur" effect in the Avid we have!!!! Then there is the rendering- From Vegas directly to MPEG for DVD- right from the timeline- From Avid you have to export your timeline as a Quicktime reference movie and then import it into Sorenson Squeeze- Don't get me wrong, SOrenson is a great program- but it's like $500! We had to buy a $500 secondary program in order to get a DVD MPEG out of the Avid! It's built right into Vegas- and the codec is actually VERY good (Vegas can't directly export to Flash Video yet though- that's where Sorenson comes in handy) ANyway- you can see how I get frustrated with the Avid-
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 4:19pm

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Yes, horses for courses, really biggrin
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 5:01pm

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A Pickle wrote:

BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH LINUX?
LINUX HAS TEH BEST NLE EVERRR!!!!111ONEONE

Not really... there are hardly any nles for linux
Posted: Tue, 17th Jul 2007, 10:37pm

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Bryan M Block wrote:

I like having .....
Hi Brian,

We updated to Avid 5.7 and most if not all of the items you listed are a part of the new version. We use DVCPro50 and DVCProHD all the time and it works wonderfully in Avid. We can now indeed drop any format into the timetime and it works great.

Never had a problem with volume sliders on the audio tracks as mine has always had them - make sure your audio track settings are set correctly.

Sorenson is also now included when you purchase Avid.= so nothing extra to buy anymore.

I guess the peeps at Avid are learning slowly smile
Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007, 7:22pm

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SketchWork wrote:

Bryan M Block wrote:

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Hi Brian,

We updated to Avid 5.7 and most if not all of the items you listed are a part of the new version. We use DVCPro50 and DVCProHD all the time and it works wonderfully in Avid. We can now indeed drop any format into the timetime and it works great.

Never had a problem with volume sliders on the audio tracks as mine has always had them - make sure your audio track settings are set correctly.

Sorenson is also now included when you purchase Avid.= so nothing extra to buy anymore.

I guess the peeps at Avid are learning slowly smile
Ah- Finally Avid is giving us things that Vegas has been giving us for 7 years...and it's still only 3 times the price! wink


Seriously, How do I get volume sliders to appear on my audio tracks in Avid Xpress Pro without having to open up a seperate audio "tool" ?
Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007, 7:31pm

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Kyal wrote:

A Pickle wrote:

BUT WHAT ABOUT TEH LINUX?
LINUX HAS TEH BEST NLE EVERRR!!!!111ONEONE

Not really... there are hardly any nles for linux
There is Jahshaka (http://www.jahshaka.org/) but it still is in an early stadium and has lots and LOTS of bugs, so I wouldn't get near it in the first couple of years.
Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007, 7:39pm

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If you set the audio tracks you need to set the audio track mode to auto and then on your timeline show the volume and youget a rubberband kind of view that you can use to to fades and volume changes.

If you don't set the mode to auto it only allows you to change the who clip volume and doesn't show the rubberband editor.

Hope this helps.
Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007, 10:07pm

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SketchWork wrote:

If you set the audio tracks you need to set the audio track mode to auto and then on your timeline show the volume and youget a rubberband kind of view that you can use to to fades and volume changes.

If you don't set the mode to auto it only allows you to change the who clip volume and doesn't show the rubberband editor.

Hope this helps.
I'm not sure our Avid has an "Auto Track mode" I can't seem to find anything about it in the Help.
Posted: Thu, 19th Jul 2007, 11:05pm

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On the quick menu in the bottom left corner (near sample plot) is audio auto gain (or somesuch other similar cryptic name) which turns rubber banding on