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Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:32pm

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malone

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Ok, now is the time for all you budding young Jedis to prove your worth. Each website user now has their very own force meter (check your profile) so you can build up your skills and become an elite Jedi. The force meter is now replacing the post count in the forum too. Theres only a couple of ways of building up your knowledge of the force so far, but I have many new ideas planned.

The other big change is with the forum. Previously people aimed to build up their post counts as high as possible. This tended to lead to quantity and not necessarily quality. The new system is based on the content of your post. There is now a rating system where people can add and subtract points from your post depending on how good they think it is. To be able to rate other peoples posts you need "rating tokens" which will be given to people with high force levels. Once you have one or more tokens, options will appear next to peoples posts so you can rate them. This will help people find good information and avoid useless posts.

If you post gets rated highly then you force skills will increase (or decrease if you post poorly). People with higher force levels will be more respected in the community and will receive more tokens for rating.

Also, force levels will remain unchanged if you post is deleted. So no more losing out when we spring clean the forums smile

I will be giving everyone 1 rating token to get things rollin'. Read the rating guidelines first!
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:33pm

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malone

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Here is a list of things I want to add to the system


+ Ratings totals in profile

+ Rating breakdown for a post

+ Most popular rating reason displayed next to rating points

+ Extra force for joining usergroups (You will get 20 force points for joining the windows or mac usergroups, you dont get 40 for joining both, so just select the one that applies to you unless you really do use both)

+ Extra force for being a gold member (200 force points for upgrading to gold)

+ Force listing in memberlist


+ Rating totals on topics page

+ Link avatar size to force?

+ Post thresholds; user chooses to not see posts rated -1 or below

+ Hide all force related items (kinda like a "clean mode") for people who arnt interested in it (just select the clean theme in your profile)

+ Force for posting movies/plugins (idea from Hajiku_Flip)

+ Top10 Jedi Funbox (suggested by TMM)


+ Hidden force, StarWars characters that pop-up round the site and you click them to get more force

+ Force trading, so you can give force to other people

+ Chat Interface, so you can gain and lose force on the chat

+ Gain force by quizzing

+ Jedi Diary, list of all the places you got force from

+ Jedi Game; buy warriors with your force and train them up to fight other peoples warriors

+ More admin stuff for me smile


I havent got a particular order for all these things, and I might not get a chance to do them all. Id love to hear any ideas other people have

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Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:38pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Alrighty. Sounds interesting.

+ Link avatar size to force? - That'd be interesting. Say, with a small force meter, comes a small avatar. Those with the big boy avatars would really stand out cool

+ Post thresholds; user chooses to not see posts rated -1 or below - Great idea. It'd also make the mod's job easier to be able to find -1 posts and below.

+ Hidden force, StarWars characters that pop-up round the site and you click them to get more force - I'd sit here all day refreashing if there was a chance to see a mini-yoda who'd give me the power of the force razz

+ Jedi Game; buy warriors with your force and train them up to fight other peoples warriors - lol. That seems like it'd be hard to setup, but if you could, that'd be awesome. Give the option to design your jedi, say, give 10 different heads, bodys, etc. Love to see this. Maybe a usergroup icon for those who have mini-me jedis?

And the way i'm seeing this, you get force power by posting good posts and having people rate you. But you can't rate people till you have good force too. Well, if no one has tokens, how do we get off the ground??

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Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:38pm

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Rating: +3



Does this get me points or are they deducted? rolleyes
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:42pm

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malone

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hehe, cakes are a good way to get points from me, but will probably be rated down by everyone else biggrin

All the sabres have been reset, they will grow if you post good quality items (or shrink with bad ones).

Heres the rating guide
http://www.csb-digital.com/alamdv/community/forums/faq.php?mode=ratingguide
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:53pm

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Um... didn't you say you had given everyone a rating token? I don't see any rating options neutral
EDIT: Right now I have, I guess it took a moment to do it
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 3:56pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Yeah. I don't have a rating token either. Although I saw that X's post did get a 1+ point. I'm assuming malone or schwar voted on that one. And when we get our tokens, will we have to go into profile to see them, or will the total count be avaliable say, under our avatar? EDIT: Yeah I just got mine too. Although I just see the rating box, so if I were to have more then 1, I wouldnt know. Where can we view our total?
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:02pm

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look at the top right of a post that isn't urs, i believe that is the voting thingy...
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:02pm

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If you mean how many tokens you have left I got 10 points right now for my AE post I have a little "10 tokens left" sign in the upper right corner
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:04pm

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malone

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Ive given everyone one token now. Ive given the superusers more. Your number of tokens is at the top of the page when you are viewing a post.

I havn't decided for definate how I will distribute tokens. I will have to experiment a bit and see what works best. Hopefully everyone using one token will get us off the ground, if not, ill hand out some more smile
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:04pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Could you post a picture as an example? Right now I don't have any indicator of how many tokens I have, although I can vote. EDIT: Alright, I see it now. Thanks!

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Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:05pm

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Animaster

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So you get 10 force points for each +1 people give then?
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:05pm

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I don't think many ppl will vote for the posts! just what i think.
VOTE FOR ME! i'll give you all some ice cream... and Malone a Cheesecake lol . Naaah just kidding!

So the nr of post is totaly gone? damn! i wanted a full red light saber! smile I WAS SO CLOSE!.. but this is probebly better!
What i don't understand, will there be starwars popups? like carachters you click on?

And why must you guys always have starwars involved? Can't you have other movies as well? like ehhh... not starwars? that would be cool too! crazy
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:09pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Another thing that you didn't add to your list (or I didnt see smile), how about gaining force for you movies? You have an awesome movie in the cinema? Gain lots o' force! Afterall , this is what Alams all about right? So why not reward for having a great movie?
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:10pm

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So if you post your sabre will not grow unless someone gives it a positive rating?
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:12pm

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nope smile
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:15pm

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malone

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This is where you will see you number of tokens if you have any. I might add it to a few more pages to




The number of posts is still in the profile. I might put it back (in number form) next to the post if thats what people want.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 4:55pm

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jarar1

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This seems like a pretty grand experiment. I hope it works. Some of the new ideas seem really fun.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 5:38pm

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all i caught was something about a cow...lol

anyway, good idea, one question though, i don't really care for this (sorry) so is it possible to turn it off per user?

i think many people will bug are people to add points to their's, honestly, and that may not work too well.

think about it smile




.....now someone give me a +1. LOL hehe, oink
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 5:59pm

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another thing similar that to hajiku_flip's point, what about points for plug-ins too, i am sure u have thought of this, but, just an idea...

and how about having a new funbox "top ten jedi" that would be cool to see who is the best, and u could click on their names to go to their profile, or something...
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 6:36pm

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I have to admit, malone, this was a good plan! biggrin biggrin Now people are into creating good movies, plugins, and posting with quality and not quantity, as quantity does them no good.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 6:50pm

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hmm malone, one thing i feel i should mention, there is too much star wars references in this new system, and you know how fox is very protective for their shit.

plus, the only thing that is really star wars related is the sabres plugins. so, maybe you should stray away from that a bit, or come up with a new idea?

just a suggestion, but you should take it seriously. and not have to deal with other problems this may cause later.

booye
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 7:01pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Top ten jedi? Yes, that'd be awesome! TMM, if I had more tokens, i'd give you a + biggrin Malone, I think you should give us all at least 1 more, I'm starting to see some tokens getting used, but I'd love to see just a tad more to build some momentum. cool

EDIT: Nevermind. I just noticed that I have 10 tokens. I was thinking every time you got referred for a rating, that you got 1 token point. But 10! W00T! biggrin

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Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 7:06pm

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malone

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I went for a starwars reference for the points system for a couple of reasons. Its nicer to have a theme rather than just "points" and we already had the sabres for post counts. Also the majority of people here are starwars fans, which makes it easy to understand and get into. All the plugins in the starwars category have proved very popular, so it makes sense to give people what they like

I definatly dont intend to turn this into a StarWars fansite. At the moment its just "force" points and a lightsabre graphic, I dont think these 2 things is overdoing it really. All the other ideas Im just toying with at the moment.

I do take your point about being careful in the future; I plan to go for a more general movie reference in the future (for the games and things, if i do them).

btw, I didnt know Fox had a piece of starwars?
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 7:15pm

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I don't know.....I think it's a good idea. People should be motivated to help via their expertise rather than the length of their lightsabers.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 7:15pm

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they distributed all of star wars

the first intro logo is theirs, 20th Century fox

thanks for taking my points though smile i think i deserve a point, heh oink
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 9:17pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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For those of you who didn't know, Malone made the Top 10 Jedi funbox. Go to your profile and hit "customize your funboxs", then put User Watcher in the "Choose your funboxes". When you go to community, there should be a New User funbox, use the drop down menu to choose Top 10 Jedi. cool
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 9:35pm

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Yeah that would be cool Hajiku_Flip! then i would have alot of tokens lol
Right now... i have non cry i stink in this community! tard
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 10:24pm

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Fox don't have anything to do with Star Wars except final distribution. That's how George Lucas managed to get to where he is today - a very flukey deal made back with episode 4.

However, Lucasfilm might get a bit sniffy if it all gets a bit too SW.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 11:30pm

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How do you have 10 Flip? I used my free one and now I have none. My force rating is higher than 0 but I never got any extra tokens.
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 11:33pm

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When someone votes on your post as +1 you get 10 tokens. I'm not sure how often you get the extra 10, because i'm up to 30 force (3 +1 votes) and I've only gotten 1 set of 10 tokens. smile
Posted: Fri, 14th Jun 2002, 11:47pm

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thas my understanding of it, and this will help sto people spaming the forum for a red saber. And i think that "rating filter" idea from Hajiku_Flip
would be good,very good. GO FOR IT biggrin
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:13am

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Wow, this is quite an interesting surprise.

Although, I have a feeling people aren't going to bother with the rating after about 2 weeks.

Also, this also should be a fun place to chat and have fun, I just hope it doesn't become some kinda 'Every Post has to be Monumental' etc. type thing. Some of my posts are brief, but i feel they get the message across.

Well, it'll be interesting to see how this whole thing develops.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:18am

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Well, if for some reason this becomes a total failure (which it shouldn't smile ) We can always fall back on the old way. We all have our post counts, so it wouldn't be hard. Give malone time to add more features, and the old way will be forgotten biggrin EDIT: How did this get a -1 Insightful? sad tard

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Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:23am

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av11d has a good point. I think some of the fun of this forum is to come and be able to just chat about film stuff, without nessasarily saying anything terribly important.

And as a thought, it seems like, with this system, it'll take much longer to build up a lightsabre, much less working through multiple colors. So why not let people choose their lightsabre color. A choice between blue, green, purple, orange, peuce, ect., with probably red reserved for those who have reached an very high force level.

Thouhg it occurs to me that with the red lightsabre as the pinnacle, that means that all our best and brightest (on this board) are all chugging along on thier way to being Sith. Isn't that nice?
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:25am

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av11d

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O yea:

Can i trade in my force points for prizes!?
(maybe a barney stuffed animal)

lol
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I think maybe you guys are thinking too much into this. The new system isn't saying that every post must be monumental or important. You know how it is, your looking through the forums, and you find a post that's just good. You learn something from it, or it makes you laugh. This new system is just to give a little + to the people who post those things. biggrin
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:38am

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Good poitn.

I have to say it's kinda funny now to surf the forums and see all these little lightsabre-nubs.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:41am

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lol yes. These little saber nubs are pretty funny. We're all N00B's again! lol Except for Schwar, he has a full red saber. evil
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:47am

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Talk about a power trip. evil

Just kidding Schwar. lol

(my first post with emoticons - fun)
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 1:50am

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wait, what does the lightsaber measure? how many points you have?

O yea, I think you should get 20 points for every plug-in you submit/or have submitted.
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The lightsaber measures your "force power". But it's off. Schwar has 1000 and it's full red. That means at about 200 or so, it should be close to being full of whatever color. I'm at 30, and have just a teenie nub. Weird. tard
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I don't think it is working though. I have 47 and yours is bigger eek

EDIT:
wait, nevermind, there's a difference between tokens and points.
Give me some jedi skills people! wink
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You can tell mine's bigger? Man, you must be used to looking through a magnifying glass at your nob. Har har har lol Okay, I'll retire now biggrin
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Another thing. If you look up there, I have a -1 Insightful. I'm pretty sure whoever voted, meant to put +1, not because I think I deserve it, but because you can't get a bad rating for being insightful smile So I was wondering, could you implement an option to change your vote? So maybe only a total of 1 time, or 2 times? Even if the person DID mean to do -1, i'm sure there will be many cases like this in the future.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 9:37am

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malone,

1 token - thats a bit harsh, can't we have 5 or more to start with.

I hadn't read this topic and voted one of the posts (not understanding the token system) and now i can't vote (i know it was my stupidity lol ).

Basically i think 5 tokens to start off with, would be better (i'll propabably get -1 stupidity for this post!)
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i got 5 tokens smile...

also i am glad that my post got noted, and teh top ten jedi thing has been made, i wonder if i will ever be in it...

i really hope this system works out, it has great potential...
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Malone: Can you make it so that you can see how much force and how many force tokens you have, on the main forum page?
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Well, first off, this new rating deal is definatly a good idea. But, I really don't feel like going through a bunch of menus everytime I read a post. Could you just lower it down to a number rating rather than that, plus whatever you have?

neutral
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It's just one other menu, not even a itsy bitsy cenimeter away from the other one. Heck, I don't even think you have to fill it out if you don't want to. It just gives more details on WHY you got the +1. But what i'm wondering is, if two people select 2 different descriptions, will they both show up? tard
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OH! GENIUS IDEA:

There should be a "dark side" so if someone really messes up and gets a negative rating, they could go to the dark side, and get like a black saber! That'd be AWESOME!!!
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Yeah that would be cool to have a darkside, but not for getting a negative post rating. That'd encourage crappy fluff posts just to be on the darkside. How about an option to choose which side you want to be on, with maybe the darkside having different saber colors, or the same ones but darker with a different handle?
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Aie Carumba! I'm gone for a day, and look what happens! eek

My big red lightsaber is gone! aie!

*ahem* anyways...

The pages take longer to load now that they have this feature implemented. It might become a problem for 56k'ers since everytime you vote, it has to refresh the page. Could there possibly be a way to make it so the page doesn't have to refresh?

Oh, and we could keep people from wanting to get on the darkside by penalizing any dark Jedi's.


One more thing...

I'd recommend that you create a troubleshooting forum where this system doesn't apply. That way, if someone is having a problem and is just stopping by to see if it can be fixed, they don't have to get confused by everything.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 5:45pm

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Oh, and did Malone kick up the rating tokens number for everyone?

I have 49 left... cool
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No, all the super-users got 50 tokens to spend. oink EDIT: I'm on 56k, and it's running just fine. Loading times are the same.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 5:54pm

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Man, I just keep getting ideas!

Iteems that a few people are dissappointed because their post number is basically gone. Howabout two different indicators?

saber for post #, lightning for force #? Avatar size for post #? Avatar size for force #?

Oh, bu the way, I keep making seperate posts because People might want to rate my comments differently.

As Malone says, quantity doesn't really matter right now.
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Well the lightsaber size won't change. Since we just started the system yesterday, I doubt he'll change it back to the old way as soon as things have started rolling. The avatar size in relation to your force meter has already been suggested, and malone is working on it, along with putting your post count so it's viewable without going into profile.

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Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 5:59pm

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sidewinder

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Egads! One more idea!

Instead of making it so we have to vote for one post at a time, would it be possible to make it so you can select your ratings for multiple posts on a page, and then hit a "rate all" button? This would help to keep people from getting tired of voting for a post, waiting for reload, vote, reload, vote, reload...you get the idea.
Posted: Sat, 15th Jun 2002, 6:04pm

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nah, that would be too confusing...

how about there are no indicators except icons?

(that would be nice and simple smile )
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 2:41pm

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Here's another good idea:

You get more . .. um . . . whatever it's called . .. .. depending on how long you've been around - like for every month you get such and such amount of stuff. But you'd have to be active cause there are some guys who have 0 posts but joined at the beginning of time . .. neutral
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 5:14pm

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I like the darkside icon idea. We can start Mecha off with a HUGE red saber wink (just joking).

-Neo
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 5:23pm

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i like the idea that u can toggle which one u wanna be...

darkside should have different colour blades/handle variations to the lightside...

just so people can feel even more unique, rather than everyone having the same...

there should be like 5 dark handles and 5 light handles, and u choose which handle u want, and then the blades change colour in the normal fashion...
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 5:25pm

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who is gonna draw all these sabres. Cos if you want me to draw them they are only gonna be suitable for stick man sabre fighting smile
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 5:36pm

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TMM

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there must be someone in this friendly community that can draw sabre handles smile we need all the main ones, obi wan', count dooku's etc...

if we can get the pictures, would u do it that way malone???
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 11:24pm

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Hey, you can use my Handy Dandy Multipurpose Lightsaber Handle, Malone - y'know, the one schwar used for his alamdv cover thingummy.

I can probably do endless varieties on that, too - and TMM's shown he can do the old 3D lightsabers, too.

Give it to ya in any angle ya like. ;-D
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 11:35pm

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av11d

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How different do we all have to be?!

With the old forum, you couldn't customize anything. And then with the new forum you could add avatars! Is that not enough uniqueness?!? I think this is a pretty useless cosemtic change! Plus, it will just make pages load longer since there will be even more different graphics!
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 11:41pm

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maybe there could be a button...

one that says "old skool" and "new look" so u can choose how u want it, say some people wanna keep it how it is, they toggle th button onto "old skool" where as i for instance wanna have this new idea, so i would put it on "new look"

that may be possible
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 11:44pm

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av11d

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Nah, I think the forum is fine right now. I think you guys are overdoing it with all this customization. It's still pretty simple... who would want such a bulky preferences page?
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 11:53pm

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Yo av11d - point is, there's nothing that says you have to embrace this new system. It's entirely optional. You can either get into it, or leave it, depending on what ya like.
Posted: Sun, 16th Jun 2002, 11:58pm

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TMM

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exactly, u don't have to vote for people or worry about being voted for, if u r just bothered abotu post numbers, look at the top ten posters, and ur profile to see that u r number 1 at it...

if u took a chance at the new system, uwill prolly get to like it...
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 12:07am

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Or you could just read the forums and ignore all this gimmicky stuff. smile


(although i love it, i gotta say...although i'd love it more if i had a nice big throbbing saber)
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 1:09am

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the posts look all the same and uninteresting without any red, green, purple etc.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 1:55am

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If you post something that receives a negative rating, then you delete the post does your force rating still take into account the negative you received? If not people could delete their posts that receive a negative rating to fix their force rating. One more thing I think there might be a problem with the system. In one of my posts it says +0 redundant, but in the Jedi Diary thing it says -1 redundant shouldn't it say -1 redundant on the post also? It's in the cheap compression thread in the 3rd part apps forum.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 2:03am

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No, your force will stay the same, wether you delete the post or not. I made 6 (working on more) handles in case you guys wanted them. The only thing is, I need to know the demensions of the handle now, so i know how to resize them. And how should I post them once they are finished?
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 2:08am

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Oops sorry for the double post. Anyhow I noticed one more possible bug. In profile next to post rating it lists how many positive and negative ratings you have received. For example mine says +4 and -2 but then for total it says +6. I've noticed the same thing happening for other people also.
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 3:32am

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Does anyone feel like rating ANY of my posts? Anyone?
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 4:14am

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I guess someone just did biggrin
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 4:52am

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that's funny....but cruel


....and no, it wasn't me... lol
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 9:51am

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Radar wrote:

In profile next to post rating it lists how many positive and negative ratings you have received. For example mine says +4 and -2 but then for total it says +6.
malone -1 cant code

My maths isnt what it used to be smile Thanks for pointing that out, I think Ive fixed it now
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 11:44am

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Pretty good idé! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 17th Jun 2002, 11:30pm

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This was better with the sabers. I agree with Cypher.

-Neo
Posted: Fri, 21st Jun 2002, 2:20am

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hmm, i still look at my post count, just as much as before. I find posts aren't getting rated fast enough, so it's not the same type of 'competition' with the post numbers. There needs to be some type of incentive to rate posts, force points just aren't moving quickly enough! With post counts, your numbers grew very quickly. With the ratings, it's not as fun since your saber might not move for about 2 months (which is kinda annoying).

Just a thought to keep in mind.

(*this was insightful: +1 biggrin *)(j/k)
Posted: Fri, 21st Jun 2002, 2:36am

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Yeah I agree. I think there should be an incentive to voting. Here's my plan. For every two +1 ratings you recieve, you get 10 tokens. For every 20 tokens you use, you get 10+ force points. Whaddaya think?
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Sounds perfect to me.
Posted: Wed, 26th Jun 2002, 11:27pm

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I need more respect in the community, can you give me force for this?:
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 1:43am

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Straight to the point. I like it. smile
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 1:47am

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lol Nice! ROTFL It would have been better if it had "Malone's CAKE" scrolled on it wink If you're gonna brown nose go all out lol
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 1:49am

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I was thinking ( eek I can do it! lol ) anyhow, is it possible to have Egbert say if someone gets rated in the Alamchat, like he does with posting? I was talking about it with TMM (I think smile ) so it might of been posted before. But I think it'd be a cool addition.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 8:35am

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if u remember flip, i suggested it in the chat room, but never bothered posting it, i still think it is a good idea though smile
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 9:49am

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I must be so dumb. I am only just catching up on this forum and have to say I don't understand.

I noticed for the first time tonight I have 50 points. I have no idea how I got them or how they get added to or eaten.

But from what I am reading it would seem that I will eat up my points if I don't post some good forum topics??? Do I get extra points for the plugins? Do I get points for the replies I give?

What happens when the points run out? Does that mean I can no longer post - bad idea!!! If you want to stop stupid postings to the forums, then prevent guests or people who have not bought AlamDV from posting. I would hate to think that the only way I can post is to earn points by making up new forum topics only, or only getting points from plugins.

I like the old way of watching my light sabre getting bigger - but especially because it only seemed to grow, not shrink and it also seemed not to mean anything other than I have been around for a bit.

Guys, please explain to me if you would not mind.

KermZ
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 9:59am

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don't worry kermz, you can post as much as u want, it is not dependant on your force...

the force system is to improve QUALITY of posts rather than QUANTITY, you see to get a huge lightsaber u used to have to post lots, some of these weer just pointless posts, the enw system means u have to post useful things to get bigger sabers....

basically people can RATE posts using rating tokens (you can see how mkany u have at the top right of the page) and u can use 1 of these tokens, to rate a post with a score, and a word that suggests y u gave it that score (ie +1 helpful, or -1 offensive)...

for every +1 you get, u receive 10 force points, and for every -1 u get 10 forc points taken away...

at the moment there is no way to recieve extra rating tokens, except for getting malone to give u more...

i think that sums it up roughly...

oh wait, u can see where u get force from in "your details" go to the force diary...

here is one method of getting rating tokens:

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Alright, I'm going to give one more in-depth explanation of the rating system. I'm still surprised some people haven't caught on smile

Alright, first a few definitions:

Force Points: Force points are the points you get from people rating your posts. Everytime someone rates your posts, you get a +/- 10 points on your force meter, depending on how they voted. If you join a PC/MAC user group, you got 20+ force points. If your an AlamDV gold user, you get 200+ force points. The rest will have to come with voting. You can find your force points by clicking on your user profile (profile button at the button of your posts). You'll see a red bar, for the number of - 1 posts, and a green bar for the number of +1 posts. Then something that tells you your total number of +1 points. You'll also see your lightsaber with a number by it, this is the number of force points you have. Take a look at my profile to see what I mean:



Next we have tokens. Tokens are used to 'rate' peoples post. By rate people's posts, I mean giving them +1 or -1. Now when you rate somoeone, your not giving them your tokens, although you will lose 1 token for each vote. Your affecting their force points. If you give them a +1, they get +10 force points. If you give them a -1, they get -10 force points. Sometimes people will give someone 0's and just a word. That is done for cases where someone really doesn't think you deserve a full +1, but wants to give you a figurative +1 by telling you your topic is interesting. The word descriptions in the drop down menu, are used to tell the person why you gave them a +1. Now when you run out of tokens, or if you just have none, you may be wondering where to get more. Currently, the only way to recieve more tokens is by asking malone. Edit: There is no an automatic dispenser(7/16). If you have a pretty high force rating, or are a pretty respectable person in the community he probably won't have a problem giving you a few. Also, sometimes he just gives them away every few weeks, like an unexpected present razz Your token amount is displayed on the top right hand corner when you are browsing the forums, and you should have a rating option at the top right of each person's post. Take a look at my pictures for a visual look:


Alright, I think that pretty much covers everything.If you STILL have questions, go back through this thread and read the posts. Chances are, it'll be answered. If not, then just PM me and I'll be happy to answer wink

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I have a question, if +1 is equal to +10 and +2 is equal to +20, why can't we just have options like +10 and +20.
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 8:25pm

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I spent all day figuring out what to add(maybe just 2 hours) but here it is.

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Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 8:40pm

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Because then maybe people would get confused about how many tokens they are spending (?).
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oh, that makes sense.

I have a suggestion for the rating system. I thing everyone should get 1/2 a point for every helpful reply or post automatically and extra points by anyone who thinks they receive extra points. This way everyone will receive the points they deserve when helping. I realized that most people don't receive many force points(like myself) and they help out a lot with the community but don't get points for doing that stuff, usually because of an inability of force tokens from people. (Not that I'm trying to enforce bribary)
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Good idea, but it ain't happenin'. Your suggesting the it automatically gives you 1/2 a point , or any points for that mater. That'd be impossible, because maybe what you think is helpful, isn't too helpful in the eyes of the person giving these out. Have the server do it? That too, is impossible. Just keep helping, you'll get tokens soon enough smile
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cry
Posted: Thu, 27th Jun 2002, 9:32pm

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TMM

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hajiku_flip has a point (although it isn't impossible, just very hard, and pretty pointless)...

the best way, would be too either

A. let moderators or super-users give out rating tokens

B. have a little system where u answer a random question, and u get tokens rewarded (like a little quiz, but a random question is asked from the database, if u get it right, u get a token, say one person is only allowed 3 attempts a week) or

C. there should be some sort of automatic system, where when u get a +1 rating, u get given a token smile

i like the sounds of idea B. smile
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yeah I agree

I also like b. and also c.
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cry I was just trying to imply that I feel sorry for users with little force points.
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like me sad
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Yeah.

Hopefully that "I'm with Stupid" picture isn't meant for me. smile
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naaa, it's pointing at me...which makes you wonder.....


unless....
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malone, i think you should do what we talked about...


putting the post count (as well as the new system) under the lightsaber. I'm not sure what everyone else thinks, but I think it would give a good indication as to how long people have been in the forum --- (or how much junk people post!!!!)
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arniie - mini profile holds the post count, also if u go onto the community page, u can add a funbox with the top ten posters in (this funbox also includes ten newest members, and top ten jedi) smile
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ughh, who keeps giving me that negative 1? I've seen a lot of people not being on topic in the other forums.
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Hey guys. I think this new system is really great. I love the community here, you guys rock! lol

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Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 4:51pm

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Ok, there needs to be less of this -1 stuff. The -1 ratings are mostly for the trolls who post obscene or very offensive posts. Stuff that is offtopic, but not meant to do any harm, should be given a 0, not a -1! So when you rate keep this in mind:

-1: The person said something cruel, obscene or very offensive
0: The person went offtopic or the post didn't have much content
+1: The persons post was useful or helpful

All normal posts should be between 0 and 1. Since there is nothing for that. Just don't rate those posts!

Rate Away smile
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EXACTLLY. Thanks for clearing that up, I've seen ALOT of -1's just thrown around. Especially offensives, those are way abused. And when someone thinks you did it, they always go after you too. So it's a vicious cycle of immaturity. rolleyes Hopefully things will change for the better now. -1's should be saved for those precious few smile
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It would be shame if the ratings system resulted in people feeling that they can't be informal and post essentially 'pointless' messages that nevertheless add to the general conversation and atmosphere of the forum and community.

If all anybody ever posted was useful stuff, it would be a highly informative but intensely dull forum.

We need a forum that is fun as well as informative.

So just take a deep breath and.........relax........

aaaah. That's better.
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Yeah I do agree that we should have fun on the forum , but not post complete spam. As long as we keep it under control, we should be alright.

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A smiley face is not spam.

If you want to know what spam really is, let me know, and I'll forward all the stuff I get daily to you.

I have no problems with a smiley face on its own. Sure, you don't want a forum full of 'em, but if they serve a purpose, then fair enough.

In an ordinary conversation, not every line is of vital, earth-shattering importance. Sometimes a throwaway glance or expression can mean as much as an entire paragraph of written text. Similarly, a simple smile can mure succinctly say something than a long-winded post.
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lol
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oink
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lol
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See?


Well, I thought it was funny. biggrin

i'll go post something useful elsewhere now. razz
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confused
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Alright. Take TMM's post for example. I really think we need to make these votes public now. I think some people are abusing the rating system. Granted, a 0 doesn't take away points, but it is still degrading. And there is absolutley nothing wrong with that post. Nothing, certainly not offensive. If we could figure out how to make these public, we could determine who should get their voting previlages revoked. evil
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 6:38pm

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Well, I have been a fan of this "voting" system ever since release. I thought it's worked out great, and really helped the forum alot. But I think if we don't figure out a system to prevent abusing things, we might have to turn back to the old way.

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Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 6:53pm

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hmmmmmmmmmm old system for me would equal big red saber (good idea lol )

new system should be a success if people stop abusing it, i lernt thi when i posted a few harmless jokes, which wer econsidered offensive to some, but i have lernt that i shouldn't post that now - which is good, because less offensiveness is a good thing, and with the old system, there was no real way of telling that u were being annoying...

this new system has dramitcally improved quality of posts, and not just the quantity, which again is a good thing, because u don't get a load of useless junk as much, u still get the odd useless post, but not enough to annoy...
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 7:02pm

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Well done, you have spotted the error of your ways. As you pointed out in the previous post you are one of the most frequent posters and I can't say it has all been dros but a lot has smile

I think the moral of the new system and the people getting offensive marks is that a) you shouldn't be too hung up on your force level and b) complaining about a -1 rating on a post just attracts more -1 ratings!
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 7:05pm

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lol yes. lol I think we should all just go take naps and come back in a few hours and resume our usual DV Shananigins. cool
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 7:10pm

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exactly my point kid, this new system is "cleaning" up the forums, stopping people from being offensive, and swearing etc...

it is a handy system, as the world fo alamdv is open for kids and adults, some of which get offended easily, some who just don't care, but the community has to be able to help BOTH types of people...

did that make sense???

i post a LOT, and i mean a LOT, but my posts have become less, and less useless, and have become helpful, this is what the new system is doing...

i think some people r just seeing it as a chance to spite the more popualr users (i have noticed tha hajiku_flip [the number 2 top jedi] has had a lot of bad ratins recently) i could be wrong though, and i hope i am...

in some ways i wanna see the ratings go public, so people can see y someone rated them, and ask what was wrong and things, but in another way, if it became public, then people would be able to get "revenge" and see that so and so rated them bad, so they would rate so and so bad just because of it...

this system should NOT be abused....
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 7:16pm

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Yeah TMM, thats what I've been saying in chat. No matter who it is, if there is a "top" person, they will be less likley to recieve +1's and more likley to receive -1's. As my last 10 votes that I have recieved, 8 have been -1's. It's weird to think that I suddenly turned evil and I deserve all those. But thats the way this system will always work. There's no way around it. Also the public rating thing. It would help in one area, (none sense voting), but hurt in another area (revenge voting). Each sytem has it's own flaws, and the only thing we can do is just stick with it. Maybe make it to where you need to recieve a certain amout of +1's before you can vote, similar to an avatar? That may help a bunch. What do you think?
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 7:56pm

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Geez, some people obviously didn't read my post! TMM just gota -1 redundant in his latest post!! It should definetly not be -1: it wasn't offensive, obscene, or evil. He was just re-iterating his feelings. If anything, it should most likely be a 0. That will get the message across that what he is posting is redundant, and that he should stop saying the same thing over again. By no means should it be a -1. C'mon people, stop the -1s! I hardly ever see 0s!
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 8:04pm

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I'm not just posting to post, Hajiku and everyone else(including those who are giving me -1s). I'm just trying to make some points here and there and at the same time be a little friendly with the new members. I don't see what's wrong if someone wants to put a smily face here and there. As long as it's not crowding up the whole forum I don't see what the harm is.

I don't really care about the force meter at all but I do think it is kinda mean how some people decide that they can just give someone a -1 force point when they don't deserve it.(I maybe deserve a 0 on most of the posts I made and maybe a -1 on the smily face post).

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Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 8:07pm

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Digi: I agree. No harm done, just as long as it stays a "here and there" thing. Ok, people, let's keep this a helpful and FUN forum biggrin
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 8:21pm

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I think its a bit pointless giving a zero rating cos it makes no difference to their rating and still uses a token. Maybe a -1 rating should use 2 tokens or something to encourage positive rating?
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 10:12pm

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Yes, but then you get to select why you rated it that. This gives some feeback to the post, but it won't hurt or help their total force points. Perhpas the system can work that if you rate a 0, no tokens are used.
Posted: Fri, 28th Jun 2002, 10:16pm

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Also, I noticed the system still allows you to vote after a topic has gotten a +5 rating, which is pointless because the user doesn't get any points after +5, and you lose a token. Not a big deal, but I think we should add that to the list of things to do.
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I definately think you 3 are onto something there.

Summary of possibilities


    If you vote -1 it uses 2 tokens (kid)
    If you vote 0 it uses NO tokens (av11d)
    The post is blocked from voting after recieving +5/-5 (Hajiku_Flip)
    Voting is possible, only after achieving 30 force points. (Hajiku_Flip)
    Achieving 30 force points, means you gain 10 tokens (Hajiku_Flip)

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Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:20am

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Hajiku_Flip

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That sounds perfect after you lay it all out like that. What do you think of having to recieve, say, 30 force points before being able to vote, at which that time your givin 10 tokens?
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:32am

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I've edited it, combining your points 'Hajiku_Flip'

p.s no one ever votes for me cry
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:39am

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i have an idea....

how about changing it to force JOURNAL instead of force DIARY, that sounds so degrading, and sounds pretty gay...

ps: how many -1s do u think i'll get for this??? lol
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:41am

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why did i get 0 unhelpful, that hurts

EDIT: are you 2 following me? (Hajiku_Flip & TMM)?
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:45am

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lol sorry Arnie. That was me. I was trying to give you a +1 and messed up. rolleyes Figures, I'm a clutz. I've been awake for 24 hrs , so gimme a break. And who know's how many typos are going to be in this lol
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:48am

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Nevermind - I don't seem to be able to get above 40 force points....perhaps i post garbage redface redface

One day i will break 50 force points, then i'll have enough force to use a jedi mind trick on new users to vote me +1, twisted lol... elol (evil laugh out loud)
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 8:50am

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urm, u r on 50 force, cos some spoon voted a +1 offtopic...

wasn't me, i have no tokens cry

anyway, better get back on topic, the force forum update smile
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 2:16pm

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hehe lol, I think you're right TMM. I also like those ideas arnie. Getting tokens when you have a force level of 30 is a good idea. Then people who get help from other members can get a chance to rate their posts. I know I have a couple of posts that need ratings and I don't have tokens.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 2:23pm

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To add on to my comment about needing 30 force before your allowed to vote, that would have to be 30 user given force. So, +3. Or maybe, +3 and more positives then negatives, to prevent people with -3000402 from getting a stab at voting. I really think our proposed changes would help out ALOT.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 5:08pm

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heh, crazy, I think Ive neglected the system a bit since Ive set it up. Theres definitely a lot of people rating for things in very strange ways and they obviously havent read the guidelines. I think this was the problem with giving everyone one token.

Av11d seems to be totally in tune with how I wanted it to work. -1s should only be given out to people obviously trying to cause trouble, not just cos you dont like the post.

I still haven't setup a system for automatically giving out tokens (been pretty busy locking down the server). I think once tokens start going to people with high force levels then they should start rating correctly. I like the idea of having to use 2 tokens to give a minus, hopefully it will make people think harder about it. Or maybe you cant vote negatively until you reach a certain force level.

Anyway, Ive disabled the option to rate negatively for now. I want it to come back at some point, but I will be more careful who I give the power too smile
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 5:23pm

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Thanks! Now my thoughts of my force meter won't go down to 0 now. smile You think you can restore the force meters to how they were? I was at 50 force level.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 5:34pm

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No I don't think that's the plan. Some people deserved some of the negative ratings.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 6:42pm

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SOME: However, I think 75% of the -1s should have been 0s. It's cuasing more damage than it is helping. Hopefully it will return, but people will now be more disciplined about when they use it.

OOH! Post numbers and join dates have returned, too.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 7:21pm

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Yeah . . .the post# and # of days is cool . . . . but! i need more options than just those self-esteem boosting ones. I want to give a person a zero and have a reason for it. none of the words fit a zero. i want stuff like DUMB! and RETARDED! and WRONG(or incorrect!)!! and OFFENSIVE!! especially offensive - because in this politically-correct world, we need that term. we need more! so people can say that it was a dumb comment! i'd give those a lot!

people'd give em to me a lot too . . .rats! neutral

tard ain't he cute? hey! that's offensive! you're prejudice towards retarded kids! crazy

But seriously folks, i'd like a few more options.
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 7:24pm

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i think it would be cool, if u could have the drop down box and the abality to write your own word...

that way, if one of the drop down options doesn't fit, u can say "dumb" or whatever...

maybe a good idea, if at all possible...
Posted: Sat, 29th Jun 2002, 9:39pm

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actually, maybe just an empty space to write and adjective!

ehh .. people would abuse it and write stupid things like "i like cheese" in them! razz
Posted: Sun, 30th Jun 2002, 4:55am

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Umm...I like the idea of only letting people of a certain force level to vote. That kinda weeds out those irresponsible ruffians.

Am I the only one with rating tokens left? It seems that everyone is out, and very few people rate my posts, whether good or bad.

And my last suggestion:

How 'bout something special for us SuperUsers...Say, maybe some bonus force that would allow us access to force-activated features, or unlimited tokens.

Or a special lightsaber. That'd be nifty! cool
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This would be an...interesting...project.

You know what'd be fun? If we all made an alamdv plug-in of our head, arms, legs, and torso, and then one of just an open mouth, as well as some other expressions for our face, then someone could make a south-park type animation!
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whoops redface

I put that post in the wrong topic. Here's what I mean t to say:

Where's that rate-all button!? It would be so much more useful to rate multiple posts on a page, rather than one-at-a-time.
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Hajiku: How the heck do you get all your force points!?!? You have had 42 +1s!!! That's crazy! What's your secret biggrin ?
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2002, 2:00am

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My secret? Well, I thought it was pretty obvious actually. PM me sometime and I'll tell you about my 'super skillz' cool
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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

My secret? Well, I thought it was pretty obvious actually.
Maybe i'm just a stupid user who can't see the obvious sad

i'm pathetic...

wink
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2002, 10:17am

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aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh - that's what that stormtrooper icon means, i always thought it meant SUPER-user, but now i know - it's STUPID-user, cheers for clearing that up av11d razz razz razz

only joking lol
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Who knows? Maybe he is a stupid user. With that two faced icon(MacOS) he could be two faced! Or like he's living a double life. To us he appears to be stupid but to others, he may actually be smart!

Just kidding. LOL biggrin
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sad

don't make me unleash my cruel moderator powers on you two! wink
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2002, 6:30pm

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Nah, but instead you could be so sweet and decide to give us a couple of points. Maybe just like +3. Hehe. razz
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2002, 6:41pm

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Don't have that type of power... yet.... biggrin

Supossedly schwar can do +4 and -4 !!!

I don't know how true that is though.
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2002, 6:53pm

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Can you ask him? I'm like probably the only user in the community that has 20 points. I would have had 50 if that/those user(s) didn't give me -3s.
Posted: Tue, 2nd Jul 2002, 7:39pm

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Just PM malone... I ain't doing your dirty work for you razz
Posted: Wed, 3rd Jul 2002, 4:14am

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hey digisim, you know what would really help?





Buying the program!

woo!


Hey, I wasn't even on the top 10 Jedi list until just recently, and I might not be there for very long...

And I have 500+ posts!
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ok thick moment ------- where's the top 10 jedi list?
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Id give you some force points but my "groveling" option seems to have dissapeared. I think it'd be likely to be negative option anyway twisted Go post some helpful answers to peoples questions or something

You can sort the member list by force, or theres a fun box that can display the force top 10
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thanks malone, helpful as ever.....sorry about my 'blonde' moment smile
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Why is everyone so mean! smile
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We're just a cruel community razz
Posted: Thu, 25th Jul 2002, 9:39am

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How bout addin force for idling in the channel?
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And while your at it, why not have force for every post , furball?

The force meters are fine the way they are.
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DigiSm89 wrote:

Why is everyone so mean! smile
That was only four posts back from your last response! lol
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You've recieved a virtual cake for so many force points.[/img]
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eek mmmm cake

Thats one fine looking specimin of cakey goodness
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DigiSm89 wrote:

Why is everyone so mean! smile
Because there's a shortage of cake around here...and we all know why!
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oh god what an awful looking cake eek


I'm not sure if that is food or was food.
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Cypher wrote:

oh god what an awful looking cake eek


I'm not sure if that is food or was food.
I'd say the latter.............like my wedding cake. lol
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This topic has some pages... lol
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No, it has gone 12 pages.

(sorry for such a bad joke, I just couldn't resist redface )
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lol...

That must be the worst joke in the alamdv history!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol crazy crazy twisted neutral oink rolleyes wink unsure tard evil cry redface razz confused cool lol mad eek sad smile biggrin surprised
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so the 'new' force system has been in place for a long time now whats everyones opnion?

Let me hear ya:

GOOD (shout oh YEAH)

BAD (Shout NAH)
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v6proz wrote:

lol...

That must be the worst joke in the alamdv history!!! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol crazy crazy twisted neutral oink rolleyes wink unsure tard evil cry redface razz confused cool lol mad eek sad smile biggrin surprised
No, that's the worst joke in alamdv history.

rolleyes biggrin

redface
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How about having a weekly poll and/or quiz, if they answer the poll or get the question correct, then they recieve +1 force.
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i think i suggested a similar thing somewhere...

a question that u can only try and answer once a day and it is random, but u don't ever get the same question twice...

if that makes sense crazy
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How bout when someone gets so many force points a star appears on the profile screen, you can gain more stars with more points, and be able to trade them to other people who can trade them for the points.
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what r u on about stars???

We have 2 things here force, and rating tokens, u can trade force, and u can use tokens to give people +1's...
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I've got an idea, I don't think it was mentioned before, but I think you should get force for every 50 (or somethin) plugins and movies you rate:

So, let's say every time you rate 50 movies, you get 25 force or so. Or, if you rate 50 plug-ins or so, you get another 25 force. So if you rate a total 100 movies, and 25 plug-ins you are going to get 75 force. It would encourage people to watch movies in the cinema, and to rate plug-ins. You would have to make it so that you could only rate a movie after clicking the link to download it, so as to keep cheaters away. Also: I'm not sure if you would want it be retroactive or not.

What do you think?
Posted: Wed, 4th Sep 2002, 5:06pm

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anonymous

unless ofcourse you already reached the maximum of 50 wink


i know im not logged in...boofriggigidyhoo
Posted: Sun, 8th Sep 2002, 9:05pm

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GavSalkeld

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Why STAR WARS, why? I just don't get it. I mean don't get me wrong, I love STAR WARS, the films are great, but why have Jedi Force and hidden STAR WARS characters and stuff? This is a special FX site not a STAR WARS fan club. confused
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 7:02am

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moebius

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Because Star Wars is the definitive geek film and we're all geeks here biggrin
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 11:06am

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davlin

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"moe" in all his wisdom is correct......also if one studies the history of
AlamDV all will be revealed.

Going O/T as usual I contacted local BT network about going "Broadband"
and they thought I was talking about a group of fat musicians. lol lol
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 5:15pm

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GavSalkeld

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moebius wrote:

Because Star Wars is the definitive geek film and we're all geeks here biggrin
I'm not a geek, thank you.

And why should I look into the history of AlamDV more?
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 6:13pm

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davlin

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GavSalkeld wrote:

moebius wrote:

Because Star Wars is the definitive geek film and we're all geeks here biggrin
I'm not a geek, thank you.

And why should I look into the history of AlamDV more?
Sorry to hear you're not a geek like the rest of us.....still there's time.
At the beginning of the AlamDV tutorial there is a short history and there
u will see the relevence to "Starwars" etc. and its importance to the
program makers and hence the references to same.
May the Force be with you. lol
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 7:37pm

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GavSalkeld

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Sorry to hear you're not a geek like the rest of us.....still there's time...
I'm staying as I am, thanks very much razz I've always disliked being one of the crowd - I am my own person wink
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 7:44pm

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davlin

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GavSalkeld wrote:



Sorry to hear you're not a geek like the rest of us.....still there's time...
I'm staying as I am, thanks very much razz I've always disliked being one of the crowd - I am my own person wink
Good for you!....." Solo". lol lol
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 7:46pm

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GavSalkeld

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Why thank you, kind friend biggrin
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 8:04pm

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davlin

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It's a pleasure "Solo".....you got yourself a +1. lol lol
Posted: Mon, 9th Sep 2002, 8:08pm

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GavSalkeld

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davlin wrote:

It's a pleasure "Solo".....you got yourself a +1. lol lol
On a serious note, thanks for that +1. I wasn't expecting to get one, it's very kind of you. Much appreciated, thank you.