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That's right fellow FXHomers, it was only a matter of time before we heeded everybody's advice and went off on a non-restricted, feature project.

Atomic Productions is teaming up with previous Videorace rivals (Imagine Digital) to produce their first-ever feature-length movie. Although I'm completely aware that we're the royalty of hype (wink), it seems with all these threads about production-progress lately, we might as well let you guys in on our little project as well.

This topic is to announce and keep you guys up-to-date on the project, for which as of now the working title is "Madison Street Boys".




Website.

Without giving too much away, I'll say that 'Madison Street Boys' is first and foremost a drama about two Irish-descent brothers living in a Northern-US city that reunite in wake of the death of a loved one. This isn't however, to say there won't be a good deal of action as well. wink

This project is headed by myself and a friend Greg (co-producing), and will likely be co-directed by the writer John and DP Ben. For anyone interested in more, PM me. We're in need of some things I'm sure the FXHome community has to offer. smile

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08/02/07
From here, let me say for the first news about the movie that the script is nearing completion and location scouting has been completed for the project. For those interested in taking a peak at the backdrop for this movie, which will shoot Texas for the Northern states, check this out:

Location Scouting!
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UPDATE!
First compositing tests for matching the locations to Northern cities have been made. Test footage Here.

UPDATE! First day of shooting went well. Pic!


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New stuffs!
A few more scenes have been shot and principle photography is still underway. The first makeup/practical effects work has been handled as well, including prosthetics and blood effects.

From there, well, I don't know what else to say. smile

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9/11/07

NEW WEBSITE UP! Check it out at www.MadisonStreetBoys.com


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10/10/07

Madison Street Boys - Video Log #1 up!

Check it out here.

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10/14/07

Madison Street Boys - Video Log #2 is here!

Check it out here.

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Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 9:15pm

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OMG I CANT WAIT 4 THIS MOVIE!!! IM GOING TO BE REALLY MAD IF YOU DONT FINISH IT.


Good luck. wink
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Who woud've thought. Good luck indeed!
Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 9:43pm

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Sounds very interesting. What is it that you might need help with?
Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 9:46pm

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Some background compositing.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 9:50pm

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Although this looks cool, I must remind you of the last time you hyped a big production like this... (Splinter Cell?) I just hope you guys can get this one done or you'll never hear the end of it. smile
Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 10:01pm

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After taking all those location pictures, my favorite is probably IMG_0293.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 10:13pm

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Awesome news!

Also: What kind of backround compositing?
Posted: Thu, 2nd Aug 2007, 10:50pm

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I choose not to get excited, 'cos of you history of movies you've hyped.

Good luck, though...
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 12:27am

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Suit yourself. smile
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Need any music?
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 1:42am

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Yeah! That'd be great. We're in the looks for something with an Irish flair but not over-the-top. Also, new update!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 8:02am

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vilhelm nielsen wrote:

I choose not to get excited, 'cos of you history of movies you've hyped.

Good luck, though...
You amuse me, my friend.

Anyway, when you say "northern cities" you probably mean Boston or New York. However, we Chicagoans have a very large Irish-American population, too. We even dye the Chicago River green for St. Patrick's Day:



How sweet is that? wink

Anyway, if you do end up needing any Chicago stock, I'd be happy to grab some with my GL2.


(Hehe...who else remembers green links?)
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 8:28am

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I remember the links. I was a fan of them, along with the gradient over the FXHome header and different navigation scheme. Ah, the good old transitional-site days. smile

And Rogolo, I think we've decided on a South Boston-styled area, although we aren't making it any specific city, so any footage you can shoot- locked and with a skyline/neighborhood skyline in view- would be great.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 9:33am

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rogolo wrote:

vilhelm nielsen wrote:

I choose not to get excited, 'cos of you history of movies you've hyped.

Good luck, though...
You amuse me, my friend.
I'm here all night... erm, day.... erm, not really.... I have to go!

*Kaa-zing!*
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 5:45pm

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This looks quite interesting. I wish you luck for this project!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 6:54pm

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Thanks, we start shooting today.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 7:24pm

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Hey nice! Glad you took other peoples thoughts and dicided to make a feature film. I wish you all the best luck with this and I would have offered help with some things but I'm currently busy setting my buisness up.

Nevertheless, I'll look forward to seeing what you guys come out with.

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I've seen marathon & redeption & judging from those films.....I would love to see how a feature length turns out. Good look!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 8:16pm

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You should also watch Cover's Story, their best IMO.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007, 8:37pm

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I was just getting ready to check that out.
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We didn't get stuff done yesterday, but today we shot from 6:45am until 9am, and got 57 minutes of footage for a 5 minute scene. So far it's almost all dialogue: no filler, no action, so we needed to split up the longer monologues into pieces and shoot those from multiple angles.

So I'd say we'll have enough to work from. biggrin

Might be going back out to shoot, we've slept the past 4 hours since shooting this morning, so you never know. Maybe some pickup shots.
Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007, 11:04pm

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Damn, a dialouge driven film... You're actually starting to get me excited, just a tiny bit...

Curses!
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Shouldn't you guys be trying to get into college?
Posted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007, 2:15am

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What? Early admission isn't even until November, man. I mean, it's a priority, but I don't see what that has to do with this......at all.
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Evman wrote:

Shouldn't you guys be trying to get into college?
I think we'll be alright.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Aug 2007, 8:46pm

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What? Early admission isn't even until November, man. I mean, it's a priority, but I don't see what that has to do with this......at all.
No, I'm just saying. I just got back from a week of college visits and I'm gonna have to be producing films and writing scripts left and right (good ones) for portfolio entries... as well as doing applications, essays, etc, we're having to seriously postpone AI3 until we're accepted into colleges.

I just mentioned it because this project seems to be about the same length... and trust me I know how hard and time consuming it can be to make a long movie (AI2)... so I'm just warning you. We were really gearing up for AI3 but now after realizing how much college stuff we have to prepare, we're setting our priorities straight.
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Going to the biggest college prep public school in the US: yeah, I know. biggrin

We did a whole college tour thing last year. Taken the SAT twice already. I think everything will sort itself out. Plus, the actors have all already graduated (or a few are Juniors this year)so there's no issues there.

We're hoping to finish as soon as possible; but knowing how things normally work out, that could be a significant amount of time.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 3:39am

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Hey, this looks like it'll be really cool. The compositing test was convincing.

And if you guys need any help with music, just PM me or something. I do orchestral stuff, mostly.

Good luck.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 3:54am

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Hmm I've just looked at that compositing test and It's pretty good. Motion tracked really well and all...

A few things though-

It still has that "giant billboard look"... I'd see if I could cut that layer into at least 2 separate ones, with closer buildings on one layer and farther ones on another... maybe add a bit more depth, even if it's ridiculously slight (maybe just a few pixels difference btw the layers), it'll subconsciously add a whole lot.

You still have some rough edges around the leaves on the trees - I know it's hard with DV footage to pull a good matte, but since you're just dealing with leaves (which have no recognizably distinct shape), you could probably get away with shrinking that matte just a little.

Usually your grading is fantastic, but here it looks really really weird. Way too green and way to yellowy. The middle version of the shot - pregrade - looked a lot better.

I know this is just a test, but just some suggestions for you so you can apply them to any final shots you do. I always love digital skyline replacement, so I'm glad to see you're using it to create at least a semi urban environment.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 3:58am

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I wouldn't mind doing some compositing work. I think your first test has good tracking, but the compositing is just poorly done. The white edges are apparent, and that's really the only flaw. Not a fan of the grading, but I'm sure you guys will make it look good.
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 6:08am

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Evman wrote:

Hmm I've just looked at that compositing test and It's pretty good. Motion tracked really well and all...

A few things though....

Serpent wrote:

Stuffs.
Haha, this is a collaborative effort with a previous rival videorace team of the same age. (Check out their videorace movie, Cadenza) I'm co-producing with their leader and he did the composite test and graded it in Premiere (not my sexy Vegas) just as a test. Also, it was a quick thing (maybe 30 minutes) just to well......test it. I see what you're saying, though.

Oh, and it's FX-1, HDV footage at 720p, not DV. So double strikes on us. wink

For grading, we're doing something less edgy and signature (which I love to death to have a 'signature' style, but whatever smile) and doing something a little mellower, as evident in the first still posted:


We're onto primary photography this weekend, so wish us luck and thanks for the comments!

Oh, and Evman, I don't think it's possible to get more urban than where we already live. There's even a national rap song about our set of blocks called "Oak Cliff Song". smile
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 7:23am

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Yes, like Serpent I wouldn't mind helping out with the compositing if there are going to be more of these shots.
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I've changed the website up a bit. Instead of a logo it's a collage I painstakingly created.

www.MadisonStreetBoys.com
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ben3308 wrote:

I've changed the website up a bit. Instead of a logo it's a collage I painstakingly created.

www.MadisonStreetBoys.com
Nice....I like the Cloverfield 01-18-08 feel
Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007, 9:30pm

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Hello everyone! It looks like I signed up for a fxhome account a long time ago and just forgot about it - so I decided I would actually post something.

I'm Greg Cotten, the co-producer and visual effects supervisor (although VFX will not be highlighted in this character-driven interest piece) for "Madison Street Boys". MSB is a collaborative project mainly driven by each individuals' unique talents. Producing a full-blown feature is definitely a hard task!

Let me talk about the technical attributes of our film. We're principally shooting with the Sony HDR-FX1 and the Canon A1 at 1080i60. We're doing an offline edit in Sony Vegas (in SD) and then will ingest an EDL and recapture in HD on a 2TB RAID configuration with Adobe Premiere via the Cineform intermediate codec. Any camera mapping/tracking will be done with 2d3's Boujou 4 and Adobe After Effects 7 will be our main compositing application.

As for the comments on the compositing - I literally brought my camera outside my suburban neighborhood (not Oak Cliff, our project location) and brought the footage onto the computer and within 30 minutes had a composite for about two minutes of 1080p30 footage. Seriously no touch-up work was done - think of it as writing a rough draft and turning it in as a final copy.

For those compositers that have the necessary software - if you want to be sent literally terabytes of uncompressed video to composite be my guest! You are brave fellows. In a bit I'll be posting my exact process of motion tracking if anyone is interested.

As for the comment on college - I'm not worried. Just visited Chapman, UCLA, and USC and I don't feel intimidated one bit. They don't want portfolios from potential film students - they believe that film students should learn from their efforts in college, not from their half-assed projects they attempted in grade school. Not like portfolios are problems for us - just thought I'd throw that out there.

Greg
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gregcotten wrote:

Sony HDR-FX1 and the Canon A1 at 1080i60. We're doing an offline edit in Sony Vegas (in SD) and then will ingest an EDL and recapture in HD on a 2TB RAID configuration with Adobe Premiere via the Cineform intermediate codec. Any camera mapping/tracking will be done with 2d3's Boujou 4 and Adobe After Effects 7 will be our main compositing application.
Lawl. Technical talk is boring. And way to be original with your username, Greg. wink
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Some new stuff happened today. It's our second big shoot day and the first time (aside from little things in Redemption and Marathon) we've really messed with cosmetics and makeup effects, including me finding ways to go about tatt'in up our actors. smile



Hopefully, it looks good enough on camera.


And, well, that's all for now. Wish us luck! smile
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That still above has a slight gaussian blur, I can tell.

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gregcotten wrote:

Any camera mapping/tracking will be done with 2d3's Boujou 4
Boujou 4 is extremely expensive. Is there enough tracking shots to warrant purchasing a multi-thousand dollar program?
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Boujou 4 is extremely expensive. Is there enough tracking shots to warrant purchasing a multi-thousand dollar program?
Fortunately, I've had a copy via the Pixel Corps for quite a while now (http://www.pixelcorps.com/). They are a great resource and are definitely worth the money!
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What city is suppose to be in the background of your test footage?
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The background is just supposed to be of a northern city. Boston, likely, but we're not 100% sure on that yet.

And the compositing test isn't even close to a big part of some of our preproduction, it was just a 30 minute thing.
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We've slowly but surely finished another smaller scene.

17 more to go.
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This looks sweet...
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Thanks. Although our own posts have comprised most of this thread with updates (smile) we appreciate some people liking it and hope the movie turns out the same if not better. smile
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Believe me when I say that posting on this thread is, in no circumstance, outweighing the time or priority of the movie itself. You needn't worry.

And I'll only be saying something on days after we've shot, for the record.
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MADISON STREET BOYS

COMING SOON



CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(not to sure if you'll be done with your movie before mines but...)

SOLITUDE

NOVEMBER 2007



CHECK IT OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


IT'LL HOLD YOU OFF UNTIL MADISON STREET BOYS COMES OUT

THE ANTICIPATION'S DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!! tard
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Haha, nice plug. wink
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I actually enjoy reading the updates. Because they are so frequent, they turn out much shorter and easier to read. Keep it up.
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Just a question, but will this be like Nightcast & Project One where its previewed on fxhome then you have to buy a dvd to see the full thing. Or will we be able to see the full thing here. It looks awesome, I to like reading updates
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The most likely result of this is, yes, it will be like NightCast and Project One.

Of course, that's really only because of the amount of money and time thus far we've put into it, we're always happy to show our stuff to the FXHome community for free- but probably not this time.

The wrap on this movie, still to-be-determined, will include a showing with tickets available sometime in (again, a rough estimate) late September or early October. As of now, we have it planned to show at the theater 'The Magnolia' in the trendy night spot West Village in Dallas.

While details past that are still pretty sketchy as we're still in production, if anything else arises I'd just like to say we'd be happy to see some of our FXhome buddies at the premiere. smile

As a major role in producing this project, I'm finding out how hard it is to get things right on time to shoot and orchestrate, especially a theater that requires advanced notice. smile

And yes, as of now, we plan to put up a full trailer (no shoddy teaser, mind you) in the cinema and (perhaps) a scene of the movie to get people interested, and then we might sell DVDs.

But as of now, we've got a lot to think about the project before any of that, so I can't commit you to anything. Just lots and lots of 'planning', including what you mentioned. smile
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including what you mentioned. smile
Yay, udates!

Thats cool it'll be shown in theaters. is it like a one time show or will it like be in the theaters for a month or so. Either way thats awesome. Good luck on the project.
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Well, considering it's going to cost about $1000 to put it up for as many showings as 3-4 hours will get us, I doubt we'll keep it in for a month. smile

No, no, it's just a premiere showing, then maybe an encore or something. It all really depends on what price/equipment/seating accommodations the theater will give us as to how many and when showings will specifically be. But I can confirm this: the entire movie will is being shot in full 1080i HD, and will be shown on in HD on the big screen when we get to that point.

The reason we're still debating DVDs is because first we all have college things to attend to, the movie is still in production, and we want to enter this thing in festivals when it's done. (which not only requires, yet again, more money to do- but keeps us from being able to sell/screen DVDs)
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Atom wrote:

Well, considering it's going to cost about $1000 to put it up for as many showings as 3-4 hours will get us, I doubt we'll keep it in for a month. smile

No, no, it's just a premiere showing, then maybe an encore or something. It all really depends on what price/equipment/seating accommodations the theater will give us as to how many and when showings will specifically be. But I can confirm this: the entire movie will is being shot in full 1080i HD, and will be shown on in HD on the big screen when we get to that point.

The reason we're still debating DVDs is because first we all have college things to attend to, the movie is still in production, and we want to enter this thing in festivals when it's done. (which not only requires, yet again, more money to do- but keeps us from being able to sell/screen DVDs)
Wow $1000 for 3 hours...

How many hd cameras are you shooting with, is it just the A1 and FX1 or are there others?
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The FX1 primarily, then the A1 when the FX1 isn't available.

And before you ask me why, let me just say it was a joint decision of the producers (myself and another) to use the FX1 and shoot HD, both of which I wasn't terribly advocating. However, now that we've started, I quite like the resolution and image and am glad with it.

And yeah, even only 'decent' theaters are expensive in such a big, movie-fueled city. Although the seating for the price is pretty good, at roughly 250-seat-occupancy (multiplied by the price of the admission ticket.....it just barely pays itself off! smile) with stadium seating.

And that's the cheapest 'okay looking' place we found. Although, it also happens to be in a great neighborhood centralized in uptown Dallas, too.
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Awesome I wish my pc could handle hd but it would crash within 5 minutes, glad ya'll get to film your movie in full hd. I'll surely buy dvd when it comes out.
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Haha, thanks. I've learned that it's better to say if it comes out than when it comes out- but I surely appreciate it either way. smile
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This is lookin' good. I'm jacked to see what you guys come up with now that you're collaborating with an entire other group...



(On a sidenote, I've come to realize that Atom uses more smiley faces/emoticons then anyone else on this forum by a Looooong shot)
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Just to note, a main character in the movie backed out on us and left for Julliard. We weren't able to finish before summer ended (only 3 completed scenes in the can as of late) but we'll keep truckin' on. As I feared, it's gonna take a bit more time than expected. But, thanks to my brother, we're not the kind of people who take months and months to do post for a movie. I guarantee as soon as I'm done shooting it, he'll have it all edited within a week.

Scheduling's a b*tch, though.
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cool, i saw your youtube footage, nice work
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Website now up and working. Still just a teaser site, much like the previous placeholder image, but at least it gives a slightly larger glimpse at the project.

Go on, go ahead and check it out.

Oh yeah, and another character (that has already been in some scenes!) dropped out and moved 80 miles away. Luckily, he can be replaced.
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Looks cool. Though I despise sites bases on just images, especially if they load slowly (you really need to find a new host Atomic Prod). I have an extremely fast connection and the images forming looks very odd. You didn't compress the images inadequately either. Very small sizes and great quality in terms of both design and compression.

EDIT: Hostony has worked out GREAT for me. 600GB of space, 6TB of bandwidth, free domain, +subdomains, emails, cpanel, etc. $6.95/month with that. I scarcely have trouble with them and the speed is fantastic. I went with the Linux plan. I pay $6.95 a month and as the plans change they upgrade mine to one with equal value. The bills are automatic and you don't have to worry about anything. Adding more domains is really easy as well. It gets my reccomendation.
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While we appreciate the help, as we've stated countless times before, we're still tied to glob@t and have been ensured that it should run fast- and yet it's abnormally slow. I think the issue is almost worth asking for a refund when our account goes up for renewal this november.

What do you think? (And glad you like the design/style. It's something I came up with when I woke up in the middle of the night a few days ago.)
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Ask for a refund, no doubt. You guys are getting completely ripped off. If not a refund, just don't renew it and bring your server over somewhere else. I've seen several FXHomers comment on the slowness of your servers. It takes me nearly dial up times to download your videos.
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Serpent wrote:

Ask for a refund, no doubt. You guys are getting completely ripped off. If not a refund, just don't renew it and bring your server over somewhere else. I've seen several FXHomers comment on the slowness of your servers. It takes me nearly dial up times to download your videos.
Mostly, though, people just complain about it, when really I just want to say "what do you want me to do about it?" It's not my fault it's slow, how am I supposed to know and/or fix it, you know?

I'll talk to my dad about getting a refund if it's possible, and hopefully when it's time to renew we'll either finally settle things with glob@t or switch.
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Just saw the Scene 15 rough cut on YouTube. Very, very nice, guys!

It actually seems vastly superior to your previous stuff. It's like all the weak points of your earlier stuff have been fixed, all the little issues that never quite worked for me.

The acting is powerful, but stays just the right side of over the top. The guy with the beard is particularly good. Editing during the conversation is also spot-on, cutting in the right reactions at exactly the right times.

For a 3-minute rough cut, it flows extremely well and remains interesting throughout. In fact, it's the best dialogue-only scene I've seen in an amateur movie for a looooong time.

Nice one.
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I just saw the Youtube rough cut.

I really like it. Great dialouge, great grading, great camera-work and nice editing.

A big thumbs up for you guys. Some of the best work you've done (that I've seen).
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I wonder what could be greenscreened into the river? What a location!
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cdolsen wrote:

I wonder what could be greenscreened into the river? What a location!
What??
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I think he's talking about the green dye in the river in Chicago.

UPDATE

Thought next weekend I have the SAT in the morning and my brother has homecoming in the evening, I hope to shoot the final climax scene for the movie this coming Saturday. This will be the first shoot for the movie since the summer months, in which we shot everything we have so far.

Once this scene is done, along with scenes 10, 15, and 19, there won't be many difficult scenes left to do, save scenes 1 & 3 (both of which involve a 50-yr-old female actress which has been hard to get ahold of) and scene 9, which is the funeral scene (the location to which we have since lost the rights to use).

On the upside, a minor character whose actor had dropped out has announced he'll be back in town this weekend and the next, so that's good news.

Moreover, I'm hoping to go (or get Atom to go) to a restaurant supply store tomorrow to get some applique name badges and some red aprons diner-boy hats for the diner scenes. Also, I've discovered that for kitchen shots of the diner scenes, because there will be too much paperwork to shoot in an actual diner's kitchen (though I'm good friends with many a diner-owner), my church's industrial kitchen can simply be set-dressed and shot creatively to convey the same scenario.

So some good news mostly. Thanks to those that enjoyed scene 15, it's our best scene so far, haha.
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Just seen Scene 15. Bravo guys. For a rough cut, thats very very good. And the 'sense' of realism is actually top notch.

Keep it the funk up! And if you need any advice with production/sound/festivals drop me a pm. I did noticed a 'few' issues that I wouldn't have left in if I were editor of scene 15, these included some early cuts and perhaps a lack of shot hierarchy (MS's and perhaps one or two ECU's would have been good). wink
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Just an editing note about the scene, er-no, a great amount of scripted profanity was taken out in the YouTube cut. This could be the reason for some of your issues, I'm guessing.
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I hear you guys talking about footage from the movie...but I can't find any links.
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It's in the Marathon thread in the cinema section.
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Thankz B3N for directing to where it was at.

But I am officially amazed & can't wait to see Madison Street Boys. I felt like I was watching a real movie. It didn't look like a undergound movie. Thats IFC & Sundace quality right there. The dialogue was great. The acting was nice. Could of been a little more energy from the brother who doesn't smoke LOL!. Camera work was excellent. I was really impressed.

My movie isn't going to be ANYWHERE near that good. But now I got a goal 2 set. Your my "Friendly Competitor", I got 2 strive to make my movies be just as good or better than yours.

Thanks for the motivation.
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Madison Street Boys - Video Log #1 up!

Check it out here.
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that was cool. i really enjoyed the sneek peek at the end. it was really well done smile cant wait for the trailer
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Ooh! I loved that sneak peak! Awesome! So much emotion was packed in that small moment. I really hope you guys finish this!
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That small clip was so good! I would buy the DVD when it comes out. BTW, that logo animation looked very professional.

Glad to hear you guys are making progress on the film. smile
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Was that scene shot on an XH-A1, or the GL2?


Also, who is actually the official director of this?


and camera operator?


how about lighting?


and finally, how much money have/are you going to spend on this?
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It's being shot on a Sony HDR-FX1, which has surprisingly low grain compared to the A1. Unfortunately, I don't think the color is as good with it being an older camera and whatnot, but it's suiting the needs of the movie really well so far.

It's being shot and lit between myself and Greg Cotten, and the writer of it (the badass of the brothers in the clip) is co-directing, with me tagging along.

It really is a venture joint between two teenage production companies, which is really cool. I mean, similar to RvD, Greg Cotten and my brother only know eachother through the video race, and that's it. The first time to formally meet eachothers' teams was during the finals of the 48 hour screenings, and after that we met at Chipotle with Brian (younger bro in the movie, main guy in Marathon) where this whole "let's make a northern-style movie about two brothers" idea was birthed.
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The budget isn't really set, but as of now we're at around $250 spent. Likely it'll be $1000 for the whole production and another $1000 for the screenings and posters and stuff......when that all happens.

Oh, and expect another video blog soon. (No more sneak peeks, though, I'm afraid.)
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And much like Marathon, I expect the budget will, in the end, be spent on mostly blood-stained wifebeaters and cutoff tees.
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So you're converting the 60I footage to 24P via Vegas then?


Also, is this thing storyboarded, or do you guys just walk onto location and decide how everything is going to go down?


And furthermore, What lights and sound equipment are you using?
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Why so many questions, Riddler? smile

I guess I did say to ask questions, though. Well...

We're split between what we're going to do with the editing. Although I'm not for it, we might use Premiere for the editing. (Although I've done everything thus far myself in Vegas). The other Producer, Greg, wants Premiere. So we're at crossroads with it right now. However, I think my workflow in Vegas is a tad more efficient, so I suspect we'll convert the 60i to 24p and that'll be that.

I'm a pretty big sketch artist, so I've storyboarded a lot of random frames and ideas, including (as the Video Log says) reference images for replicating all the tattoos we make. Normally though, and for the majority of this movie too, we just go and shoot. I normally write the story and find the location, so it's natural for Ben and I to trust eachother with the vision we share and for him to shoot and me to edit. And we've got such great actors, it's never really an issue.

But, we're with a larger cast and a less familiar crew, so I might have to storyboard out more. Also, while I'm well-versed in it, I didn't write the script and am sure I have a slightly different view than John, the writer and bearded-actor. We'll see how it all works out. So far, after years of rivalry and the cold shoulder, we've learned we work really, fairly well with eachother. They are big, long dialogue guys and we're big, extravagant climax guys. They'll go together, I'm sure. smile I'll tell you that the climatic action scene has been heavily scouted out for stunts, safety, and coordination, and I've sketched out a good amount of it.

Lights: We use a few photoflex lights, but mostly it's just a resourceful knack we seem to all share. Basically, we use whatever works best, which is generally the least. In outdoor stuff, there's a lot of reflective things we use, but not much artificial lighting. In indoor, we generally do 3-point-lighting.

Sound: We use a RODE NT-G2 mic on a boom. We might use a few wireless lapels on moving crane shots, but mostly it'll be the NT-G2.
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Atom has been a little vague, here are some stats:

The project is being shot in 60i on the FX1, edited, and rendered to 24p with a pulldown.

Unlike most everything I've shot since I've had use of a 3CCD camera, Madison Street Boys has been shot with a shutter almost always below S1/90, as opposed to the general S1/150 to S1/180 range I'm normally used to, so things seem a bit smoother and film-like.

The lighting has been accomplished by a single 1000-watt Photoflex Starlite I own, and three 250-watt key lights from an off-brand set my friend bought on eBay.

In the clip, the Photoflex w/ softbox was a key, another of the 250-watts a supplementary key (reflector dome, no softbox), another 250-watt as an ambient in the background, and a metal trash can lid as reflective fill.

In the outdoor stuff we had some white paper near their faces as an idea, but mostly it was just correct placement of the actors with the sun/careful timing of the day (shot at sunrise, like 6:30am).

With some coercing, I have finagled use of a 3-piece kit of Arri 650's from my friend, which I think we have until next Wednesday. They're similar in nature to the two fresnels we rented for Redemption, if that gives you any idea. Hopefully we'll be able to use these. Additionally, future scenes will likely employ use of a Lastolite, though I'm not certain we'll need it.

As for sound, it has thus far been recorded on my Rode NTG-2 shotgun microphone. It does the job pretty well, especially considering its low price. I was a bit surprised that the other crew we're working with (past rivals) did not own a mic, but simply rented one whenever they decided to make a movie. Seemed odd to me.

Moreover, I am hoping to get use of my friend's Sennheiser ME66 for later scenes, as it is a great piece of equipment. It has all been boomed using a K-Tek KE89CC pole with a Rode SM3 shockmount, both of which are the lesser-priced or free products of different B&H audio kits. Monitoring has been done via some cheap Sony earphones we got at Target.

All-in-all, we're lucky to be able to borrow, rent, or steal all this stuff, as we don't independently own a lot. My brother and I share a GL2, Greg owns an FX1, I myself own a mic and a fluid head, and most everything else is borrowed form here or there. I know they say it a lot, but it really is about who you know that determines what you can use.

Cinematographic tools being used are an ooooold Invacare wheelchair I own, my Bogen 501HDV fluid head, and Greg's Spiderbrace.

The shots are generally in everyone's heads before we shoot, but a good rule of thumb for me is to get some intense closeups freehand (or on the brace) and some medium wides on the tripod. Greg, on the other hand, is a fan of the two-shot which is accomplished by same use of the Spiderbrace. Compare the mostly over-the-shoulder first half of the cemetery scene to the two-shots near the end, you'll see what I mean. The intro dolly on the sneak peek was done from me sitting in the wheelchair and Greg just pushing me. It was pretty smooth consider the chair had to traverse three extension cords on its path.

Later tools to use might be my friend's AdvantaJib crane or a skater dolly, but these are still just 'maybes'.
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ben3308 wrote:

Atom has been a little vague, here are some stats:

The project is being shot in 60i on the FX1, edited, and rendered to 24p with a pulldown.

Unlike most everything I've shot since I've had use of a 3CCD camera, Madison Street Boys has been shot with a shutter almost always below S1/90, as opposed to the general S1/150 to S1/180 range I'm normally used to, so things seem a bit smoother and film-like.

The lighting has been accomplished by a single 1000-watt Photoflex Starlite I own, and three 250-watt key lights from an off-brand set my friend bought on eBay.

In the clip, the Photoflex w/ softbox was a key, another of the 250-watts a supplementary key (reflector dome, no softbox), another 250-watt as an ambient in the background, and a metal trash can lid as reflective fill.

In the outdoor stuff we had some white paper near their faces as an idea, but mostly it was just correct placement of the actors with the sun/careful timing of the day (shot at sunrise, like 6:30am).

With some coercing, I have finagled use of a 3-piece kit of Arri 650's from my friend, which I think we have until next Wednesday. They're similar in nature to the two fresnels we rented for Redemption, if that gives you any idea. Hopefully we'll be able to use these. Additionally, future scenes will likely employ use of a Lastolite, though I'm not certain we'll need it.

As for sound, it has thus far been recorded on my Rode NTG-2 shotgun microphone. It does the job pretty well, especially considering its low price. I was a bit surprised that the other crew we're working with (past rivals) did not own a mic, but simply rented one whenever they decided to make a movie. Seemed odd to me.

Moreover, I am hoping to get use of my friend's Sennheiser ME66 for later scenes, as it is a great piece of equipment. It has all been boomed using a K-Tek KE89CC pole with a Rode SM3 shockmount, both of which are the lesser-priced or free products of different B&H audio kits. Monitoring has been done via some cheap Sony earphones we got at Target.

All-in-all, we're lucky to be able to borrow, rent, or steal all this stuff, as we don't independently own a lot. My brother and I share a GL2, Greg owns an FX1, I myself own a mic and a fluid head, and most everything else is borrowed form here or there. I know they say it a lot, but it really is about who you know that determines what you can use.

Cinematographic tools being used are an ooooold Invacare wheelchair I own, my Bogen 501HDV fluid head, and Greg's Spiderbrace.

The shots are generally in everyone's heads before we shoot, but a good rule of thumb for me is to get some intense closeups freehand (or on the brace) and some medium wides on the tripod. Greg, on the other hand, is a fan of the two-shot which is accomplished by same use of the Spiderbrace. Compare the mostly over-the-shoulder first half of the cemetery scene to the two-shots near the end, you'll see what I mean. The intro dolly on the sneak peek was done from me sitting in the wheelchair and Greg just pushing me. It was pretty smooth consider the chair had to traverse three extension cords on its path.

Later tools to use might be my friend's AdvantaJib crane or a skater dolly, but these are still just 'maybes'.
To reply to Ben's comment, we had always rented our boom mic in the past because it retails for around $900 - money I don't want to spend. We have always gotten a sweet package deal with this really nice Sennheiser ENG mic (can't recall the name), 8 foot boom pole, phantom power adapter, and zepplin wind cover for 3 days @ $30 for the whole time. While I love the sound the NTG-2 mic has given us I absolutely love the sound I've gotten out of the Sennheiser we usually rent.
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10/14/07

Madison Street Boys - Video Log #2 is here!

Check it out here.
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Atom wrote:

10/14/07

Madison Street Boys - Video Log #2 is here!

Check it out here.
So, uh, I need to, uh, ask Ben, uh, what, uh, he was trying to, uh, do. wink
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Video logs from yours truly are much like Seinfeld episodes: they don't really have a point, but they keep it personal.
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You sounded really nervous Benny boy smile it's ok
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szczepanski wrote:

You sounded really nervous Benny boy smile it's ok
He's always nervous, have you not figured that out yet? smile
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Weird, in person I wasn't nervous at all; dunno where people are getting that from, as I'm generally a good speaker.
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That was hilariously awkward. Perhaps if there were two people during the V-log like last time, it would be abit more progressive in it's approach...
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Your version of 'awkward' = my version of 'inconceivably baller'.

But I still don't get the comment about nervousness. Essentially, after Greg and my bro betrayed everyone by making the first vlog, I went renegade and made my own, attaching the fancy header and everything. So it's not so much an informative video as it is one to get my face out there. Yeah. biggrin
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Such a shame that this forum seems to have died down... I guess its best seeing that building hype seems to be a project killer. But Hype is usually a form of smoke to hide the truth about a project. So... Instead of hyping the project i thought i'd let some people in on the truth of where this stands...

It's Coming.

The actors in this film, have decided that if we were gonna do an all out feature it deserves to be done right. And unfortunately for us (mostly me). Thyne ass was not in shape enough to be considered as any kind of an actuall "street boxing Boston" kid. More like your average computer nerd who enjoys his pizza rolls. THAT... is currently being fixed. When cameras pick up in feb, the believability of the role will be much more substantial.

I currently got a job, and have kind of reshaped my life recently. It in alot of ways has hindered the filming process, but it was something i needed to do. While not all of the blame is my own. I am sorry for my part.

There has been alot of pick up work that has had to be done on this project. We jump started everything to fast, and everything wasn't sealed tight. We have picked up locations and script is being ironed
out. People are getting their asses into fighting shape. And crew is preparing to roll in mid-feb.

The people involved with this project are all passionate about it, and its on its way. I would suggest March as a conceivable date to look forward to the first official "Short Feature" of Atomic Productions.

Believe me when i say there is some strong talent involved with this project. The Directors, Producers, Actors; are bringing their "A" game. I play Patrick Frawley in this feature, I’ve been affiliated with quite a few projects and i got to say... The connection between the actors and the environment that has surrounded the over all feel is truly something special. The script itself hones on something that we have never really touched on with atomic, and it’s that personal level that is going to really shock the fxhomers. This scripts holds as much strength in its punching blows in its dark alley fighting scenes, as it does between the connection of two brothers fighting to find what they once had.

If you want to help this project be done by March. Do us a favor and bite at our ass from time to time. While i know this tends to be a tough love site. This is still a film community. And It would be really helpful if you guys could light a fire under our ass to help make this project finish. Motivation so to speak.

Thank you so much Fxhomers.

Brian
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I'll get the matches.
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And I'll ready the asses...

Wait, that come out wrong.
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Oh, Sollthar.

You sexual predator, you.
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Sollthar wrote:

And I'll ready the asses...

Wait, that come out wrong.
that's the funniest thing ive heard in a while.
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Let me know when they're ready, Sollthar.